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===============================  CFJ 3935  ===============================

      Evantine holds the patent title Fugitive.


Caller:                        G.

Judge:                         Murphy
Judgement:                     TRUE



Called by G.:                                     21 Oct 2021 21:30:54
Assigned to Murphy:                               26 Oct 2021 03:57:48
Judged TRUE by Murphy:                            31 Oct 2021 18:48:26


[linked to CFJ 3936]

Caller's Arguments:

Proposal 8617, which took effect recently, reads as follows:
>> ID: 8617
>> Title: Forgiveness
>> Adoption index: 1.0
>> Author: nix
>> Co-authors: G.
>> Agora formally forgives all fugitives listed on the most recent scroll
>> of Agora.

But there are 3 senses that the word "fugitive" has meaning in Agora.

1.  Proposal 4867 (adopted August 2006) awarded a group of people the
patent title Fugitive[1].  Evantine is an example of that [2].

2.  People were "unofficially" added to the list in the Herald's scroll
when they deregistered while under some kind of penalty, after the above
set of patent titles was awarded.  However, on the scroll, the distinction
between "patent title holder" and "unofficial added person" was lost over
time.  Quazie is an example of that.

3.  Rule 2555/10 currently defines "fugitive" as someone with one or more
blots who is deregistered.  At the time that Proposal 8617 was adopted, R.
Lee was an example of that.

I'm assuming the "unofficial" additions to the fugitive list in the scroll
like Quazie are at the discretion of the Herald to remove.

For the first CFJ (on Evantine), Rule 649/44 secures Patent Titles as
Power 1, so if Proposal 8617 had used language to explicitly revoke the
fugitive patent title from all holders of the title, it would have
succeeded.  So the question (on Evantine) is whether "formally forgives
all fugitives listed on the most recent scroll of Agora" is a reasonable
synonym for revoking the patent title Fugitive, especially when there's a
different explicit definition of fugitive in the rules.

A possible complication - when the scroll was ratified in October 2019[3],
the scroll explicitly said that fugitive was an "unofficial designation".
 This was likely incorrect immediately before ratification (some of them
were patent titles), but did that ratify those away because they were
explicitly ratified to be "unofficial" and therefore not patent titles?

For the second CFJ (R. Lee), e was an explicitly rules-defined 2-Blot
holding fugitive at the time Proposal 8617 was adopted, e was literally
"listed on the most recent scroll of Agora" as a Champion, Badge-holder,
etc., and "formal forgiveness" in the current ruleset is the expungement
of blots, and that fits the common language definition of forgiving a
punishment.  Did this expunge eir blots, causing em to cease being a fugitive?


[1] Excerpt from adoption message
Amend Rule 1505 (Standard Classes of Crimes and Infractions) to be
called "Dishonor Rolls" and amend it to read:

       When the Herald is ordered to place someone in the Chokey, e
       shall publically award em the patent title "In the Chokey".

       This title shall be automatically revoked after a length of time
       indicated by the sentencing order, and the Herald shall announce
       the revokation.  If a sentencing order is executed against a
       defendant who already holds this title, the length of time of
       the new sentencing order shall be added to the time left on any
       previous ones.

       A person is considered to be In Disgrace while in the Chokey,
       between the execution and satisfaction of any sentencing orders
       binding em, or if deregistered for lawlessness.  A person who
       leaves the game in disgrace shall be awarded the Patent Title
       Fugitive by the Herald.  A Player may revoke the title Fugitive
       from emself as long as e is no longer in Disgrace.  A non-player
       may have this title revoked by Agoran Consent.

       The rules may further specify actions prohibited to persons in
       particular types of disgrace.

       The Herald is encouraged to publish lists of those in disgrace
       separate from patent titles of honor, to indicate the disgrace.

When this Proposal takes effect, all persons who were fugitives when
this proposal was adopted are hereby awarded the patent title


Ratification message:

Referring to this scroll:


Judge Murphy's Arguments:

I interpret this situation as follows:

   * "Fugitive" should be interpreted according to the current rules. Had
     the proposal said "persons listed as fugitives", then a broader
     interpretation would be appropriate.

   * "Forgive", which doesn't appear in the rules, should nevertheless be
     interpreted according to the current rules about the relevant
     context (fugitives), thus as a synonym for expunging blots, but not
     for removing Patent Titles or anything else.

   * "Listed" should be interpreted literally, not inferring that they
     must be listed /as/ fugitives.

Thus, the effect of adopting Proposal 8617 was to expunge the blots of
R. Lee (the only fugitive under the current definition of that term),
causing em to cease to meet that definition.

3935 (Evantine holds the patent title Fugitive): TRUE.
3936 (R. Lee is a Fugitive): FALSE.