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      In a generic Agoran context, to refer a proposal to a chamber is
      to set its chamber switch to that chamber.

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Caller:                        Aris

Judge:                         R. Lee
Judgement:                     FALSE

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History:

Called by Aris:                                   14 May 2020 19:39:04
Assigned to R. Lee:                               15 May 2020 14:22:15
Judged FALSE by R. Lee:                           16 May 2020 00:43:16

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Caller's Arguments:

I've been putting "Definition: To refer a proposal to a chamber is to
set its chamber switch to that chamber." at the top of my referral
messages since February. My hope is that people have seen it enough by
now that the average Agoran knows what it means without needing to see
the definition.


Caller's Evidence:

On 5/14/2020 12:18 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote:
>
> Definition: To refer a proposal to a chamber is to set its chamber
> switch to that chamber.
> 
> [Where a proposal affects multiple ministries, I'm referring it so as
> to even out the number of proposals each ministry receives.]
> 
> The Promotor hereby refers each proposal below as follows:
> 
> The proposal "Burden + Accurate Naming" is referred to the Ministry of 
> Justice.
> 
> The proposal "Bug Fixing IAR Writ" is referred to the Ministry of 
> Efficiency.
> 
> The proposal "Expand wins by paradox" is referred to the Ministry of
> Participation.
> 
> The proposal "You Tried" is referred to the Ministry of Participation.
> 
> The proposal "The Webmastor" is referred to the Ministry of Efficiency.
> 
> The proposal "Agora plays table tennis" is referred to the Ministry of
> Participation.
> 
> The proposal "Bones of Criminals" is referred to the Ministry of Justice.
> 
> The proposal "Slaying the dragon" is referred to the Ministry of Economy.
> 
> The proposal "Defense Against the Dark Arts" is referred to the
> Ministry of Legislation.
> 

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Gratuitous Arguments by G.:

I tried to lay out a 3-part test for accepting jargon in CFJ 3663:

https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3663

A quick re-read of that judgement and I'd guess "refer", used in the
context of proposals and chambers, has as strong a case as any for being 
acceptable. Worth noting is that the only officer who needs to track the 
jargon is the person who invented it, who is also the only person who can 
perform that task by announcement anyway.

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Judge R. Lee's Arguments:

CFJ 3834 asks whether or not "In a generic Agoran context, to refer a
proposal to a chamber is to set its chamber switch to that chamber."

This CFJ has a very odd statement. Generic means not specific, separated
from an individual thing and instead relating to a certain group or class.
So a generic Agoran context relates to Agora as a concept, rather than a
specific action or time period. This poses a problem for answering the
question that Aris actually meant, which is basically whether or not e can
use the referral shorthand without defining it in future reports. I will
answer the CFJ statement as written rather than attempting to ignore or
rewrite it.

It's clear to me that there is nothing inherent about "Agoran context" that
transmutes the first phrase into the second one. Both phrases would have
been meaningless in Agoran context until recent changes in the rules.
Anyway, the standard for making a by-announcement action is ambiguity. We
can't make a generic or categorical judgement about the ambiguity of any
specific phrase, but we can judge the ambiguity through context and other
factors of any action that is actually attempted (or even hypothesized).

I judge this CFJ FALSE. In a generic Agoran context, the first phrase would
have its ordinary meaning or none at all. Only specific context and rules
(which may or may not exist here) could allow the first phrase to
unambiguously mean the second.

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