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==============================  CFJ 3324  ==============================

    Wes CAN transfer the DOA promise to emself.


Caller:                                 G.

Judge:                                  Walker
Judgement:                              FALSE



Called by G.:                           19 May 2013 23:16:35 GMT
Assigned to Walker:                     27 May 2013 22:31:15 GMT
Judged FALSE by Walker:                 01 Jun 2013 14:18:56 GMT


Caller's Arguments:

Rule 2338 reads "If a promise is possessed by the Tree, any
player except the promise's author CAN transfer it to emself by
announcement, if e cashes the promise in the same message in
which e transfers it to emself."

This is a classic retroactive conditional, to wit, the success
of the first action (the transfer) is conditional on the success
of the necessarily later action.

Basically, Wes CAN transfer it to emself if e CAN cash it, which
e CAN when e transfers it to emself, but then e CANNOT, so e
doesn't transfer it to emself, upon which e CAN... etc.

This differs from a couple of previous precedents:
1.  This does not deal with the ownership, but rather the ability
to cash, so this doesn't end up in the LF&D.
2.  This part of R2338 does not apply:
      If cashing a promise would lead, through its own actions or
      actions directly caused by its cashing, to a value being
      indeterminate an instant after the promise is cashed, then
      (other provisions of this or other rules notwithstanding) it
      CANNOT be cashed.
as we're not talking about outright ability to cash (which is
possible at the outset here), but rather the ability to transfer
which leads up to cashing.


Caller's Evidence:

I submit the following Promise, 'DOA', to the Tree:

Text:  Hello, World.
Conditions for Cashing:  There is a copy (i.e. fungible instance)
of this Promise in possession of the tree.


Gratuitous Arguments by scshunt:

FALSE, because Rule 2339 does not say anything about whether the promise in
question can be cashed while it is in the Tree's possession. The legality of a
transfer is determined only by whether or not the promise is later cashed;
thus, since it would be impossible for Wes to cash DOA while possessing it, it
cascades and transferring DOA from the Tree is impossible.