============================== CFJ 3244 ==============================
It would be ILLEGAL for a player to publish a message whose body
consisted solely of the text "I intend, without objection, to ratify
the statement of CFJ 3240.".
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Caller: Murphy
Judge: omd
Judgement:
Judge: FKA441344
Judgement: UNDECIDABLE
Judge: FKA441344
Judgement: TRUE
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History:
Called by Murphy: 06 Jul 2012 14:00:11 GMT
Assigned to omd: 06 Jul 2012 14:02:43 GMT
omd recused: 06 Jul 2012 23:14:11 GMT
Assigned to FKA441344: 16 Jul 2012 06:27:55 GMT
Judged UNDECIDABLE by FKA441344: 22 Jul 2012 22:12:25 GMT
Reconsideration requested by omd: 23 Jul 2012 04:01:14 GMT
Reconsideration requested by FKA441344:
23 Jul 2012 09:58:28 GMT
Assigned to FKA441344: 23 Jul 2012 09:58:28 GMT
Judged TRUE by FKA441344: 23 Jul 2012 09:58:28 GMT
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Gratuitous Arguments by G.:
This phrase:
For the purposes of the rules, messy statements are considered
inaccurate and incorrect regardless of their truth value.
does not make it clear if the TRUE/FALSE/UNDECIDABLE of court cases
should be applied to the "truth value" of the messy statement (which
would still allow for UNDECIDABLE) or to its deemed inaccurateness.
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Judge FKA441344's Arguments:
The statement of CFJ 3240 is messy, and therefore considered
inaccurate (i.e. false; accuracy refers to truth when applied to
statements and not, for example, projectiles), which would imply that
the statement of this CFJ is true. However, the statement of this CFJ
is also messy, and therefore considered false. However, the statement
that the statement of this CFJ is false is also messy, so it cannot be
accurately described as false. It also cannot be accurately described
as true, so I judge UNDECIDABLE.
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Request for reconsideration by :
I intend to call for reconsideration with two support - the statement
of CFJ 3240 is considered messy, therefore inaccurate, but *not*
false: the purpose of Rule 2367's "messy statements are considered
inaccurate and incorrect regardless of their truth value" is to
introduce an artificial definition of "inaccurate" different from
"false", and the clause does not make much sense if interpreted
otherwise (since "false" is by definition a truth value; I guess you
could say it's "considered" false regardless of whether it actually is
false, but that's not consistent with general Agoran usage of
"considered" as "def="). Though the wording of Rule 591 makes
UNDECIDABLE appropriate *anyway*, FALSE is also appropriate, and would
probably be a more fair judgement in this case - UNDECIDABLE is, for
instance, also appropriate for statements that would usually be judged
UNDETERMINED for vagueness (although I'm not sure if it's possible to
construct such a statement that's also a turtle - see CFJ 1799).
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Request for reconsideration by :
I do so; I must have missed the "regardless of it's truth value" bit.
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Judge FKA441344's Arguments:
Rule 2202 uses correctness and not truth (and rule 2367 says
"considered inaccurate and incorrect", which makes the statement of
this CFJ true but incorrect. Rule 591 says "TRUE, appropriate if the
statement was factually and logically true"; this does not depend on
the correctness of the statement, so I judge CFJ 3244 TRUE.
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