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==============================  CFJ 2941  ==============================

    At the beginning of the first week to begin during a holiday, all
    ergs will be destroyed due to R2282(a), but none will be created
    due to R2282(b-d) until 72 hours after the holiday ends.


Caller:                                 G.

Judge:                                  Roujo
Judgement:                              TRUE

Judge:                                  Roujo
Judgement:                              FALSE



Called by G.:                           20 Dec 2010 20:06:16 GMT
Assigned to Roujo:                      10 Jan 2011 00:57:17 GMT
Judged TRUE by Roujo:                   10 Jan 2011 03:41:42 GMT
Reconsideration requested by Yally:     10 Jan 2011 15:57:18 GMT
Reconsideration requested by Wooble:    10 Jan 2011 16:21:26 GMT
Reconsideration requested by Roujo:     10 Jan 2011 16:21:27 GMT
Assigned to Roujo:                      10 Jan 2011 19:35:19 GMT
Judged FALSE by Roujo:                  11 Jan 2011 15:08:44 GMT


Caller's Arguments:

Rule 2282/4 extract:
        At the beginning of each week:
         (a) All ergs and capacitors are destroyed; then
         (b) For each capacitor destroyed in item (a), an erg is awarded
             to its former owner.
         (c) For each player, that player is awarded 6 ergs if e is the
             Captain, 5 ergs if e is a Pilot, 3 ergs if e is a Marine,
             and 4 ergs otherwise; then
         (d) For each office, its holder is awarded a number of ergs
             equal to the interest index of that office.

Rule 1769/7 extract:
        If some Rule bases the time of a future event (including the
        time limit to perform an action) upon the time of another event,
        and ...
        b) the future event would occur during a Holiday, then the
           future event occurs 72 hours after the end of that Holiday

R2282(a) occurring platonically at the beginning of a week, is not
based on the time of a previous event.  However, as indicated by the
"then" at the end of (a), all of b-d are based on the time of (a),
so are delayed.  This would also go along with the general intent
of holidays by making it a pretty quiet time period, erg-wise!


Judge Roujo's Arguments:

I judge CFJ 2941 TRUE. Having read the relevant rules, I agree with G.
that R2282(b)  through R2282(d) are to be executed /after/ R2282(a),
so I also think they're "future events" as far as R1769 is concerned -
and thus, it happens 72 hours after the Holiday ends, per R1769.

I have a comment regarding this, though: if this CJF is TRUE - and I'm
judging it so -, and the 24th is a Monday - as it was in 2007 -, I
think the following happens:

- Ergs are destroyed, R2282(b-d) are delayed until 72 hours after the
end of the holiday - which would be the January 7th -, so on January
- On the 31st, which would also be a Monday, ergs are destroyed
/again/, and R2282(b-d) would be delayed again.
- January 7th would be the first Monday out of the Holiday, so people
would get Ergs per R2282(c) and (d) - no capacitors should exist then,
I think.
- On January 10th... R2282(b-d) would trigger /twice/, once for each
time it was skipped during the holiday.

That's potentially a lot of Ergs. =P


Judge Roujo's Arguments:

Here's the message from omd that initiated this reconsideration:

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:57 PM, omd  wrote:
> Nitpick (revising another message I sent to this forum): I think R1769
> a) applies, so R1769 b) does not apply (because the time of the future
> event becomes the time at which the Holiday ends, which is presumably
> not during a Holiday). =A0Therefore it happens immediately as the
> Holiday ends.

Re-reading the rules... I have to agree, and I'm sorry to have missed
this on my first judgement. Because both events are in the Holiday,
R1769a) triggers - and not R1769b) - so the erg gaining will happen
the moment the holiday ends. I thus judge this CFJ FALSE.

Please note that we might get a problem when R2282a) triggers at the
beginning of the non-holiday week, at the same time as the delayed
R2282b-d) - which might even happen twice, as I pointed out in my
previous judgement.