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=========================  Criminal Case 2895  =========================

    G. violated the Power-1 Rule 2224 by making proposals disinterested
    as quoted in the evidence section.


Caller:                                 omd
Barred:                                 G.

Judge:                                  Wooble
Judgement:                              GUILTY/DISCHARGE

Appeal:                                 2895a
Decision:                               REMAND

Judge:                                  Wooble

Judge:                                  Murphy
Judgement:                              NOT GUILTY



Called by omd:                          01 Nov 2010 04:23:42 GMT
Defendant G. informed:                  01 Nov 2010 04:23:42 GMT
Assigned to Wooble:                     08 Nov 2010 09:14:47 GMT
Judged GUILTY/DISCHARGE by Wooble:      11 Nov 2010 14:08:06 GMT
Appealed by G.:                         11 Nov 2010 19:01:09 GMT
Appeal 2895a:                           11 Nov 2010 19:01:09 GMT
REMANDED on Appeal:                     21 Nov 2010 23:48:54 GMT
Assigned to Wooble:                     21 Nov 2010 23:48:54 GMT
Wooble recused:                         12 Dec 2010 04:34:17 GMT
Assigned to Murphy:                     12 Dec 2010 23:01:04 GMT
Judged NOT GUILTY by Murphy:            13 Dec 2010 01:38:04 GMT


Caller's Arguments:

It is unclear how G. might have submitted a proposal to repeal either
Rule 1750 or Rule 2161 whose effects were limited to correcting errors
and/or ambiguities.  However, I suppose e could have resigned the


Caller's Evidence:

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> I submit the following proposal, "NaN", AI-1, II-0:
> I submit the following proposal, "Other documents" AI-1, II-0:
> I submit the following proposal, "Proposal Points", AI=Mutable, II-0:

>From Rule 2309, Fearmongor's duties:
         2) For each of those rules, submit a disinterested proposal
            with AI equal to that rules' power.

>From Rule 2224:
      The submitter of a proposal SHALL set its interest index to 0 if
      and only if the proposal's effects are limited to correcting
      errors and/or ambiguities.


Gratuitous Arguments by G.:

>From R1504:
        (e) the Accused could have reasonably avoided committing the
            breach without committing a different breach of equal or
            greater severity.
I posit that resigning an Officer's position rather than choosing the
lesser of the breaches is not a "reasonable" way of avoiding both
breaches, for the good of the game in terms of allowing Officers to
keep being Officers.


Judge Wooble's Arguments:

I judge GUILTY; the defendant could have reasonably avoided breaching
either Rule 2224 or with equal severity breaching Rule 2309 by
resigning the office of Fearmonger.  I sentence em to DISCHARGE.


Appellant G.'s Arguments:

I appeal this verdict as it sets a bad precedent: in cases where an
Officer has contradictory duties, it is reasonable for em to choose
the lesser rules breakage, and not reasonable, in terms of the game,
for em to be essentially required to resign the whole office to avoid
the punishment.  The verdict should at least include a discussion of
why resignation is more reasonable than following the intent of the
law with a (far-lesser and not substantial) rules breakage.  -G.


Gratuitous Arguments by scshunt:

The following was going to be a judgment for CFJ 2895 until ais523
noticed that I called it and so am not qualified to judge this case:

  1 At issue in this case is whether or not it is possible to take an
    action referring to the subject of the message that would be
    ambiguous if only the body of the message is considered.

  2 The message in question read, in its entirety:

Received: from (localhost [])
     by (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81402E0E75
     for ; Fri,  5 Nov 2010 17:48:11 -0400
Received: from ( [])
     by (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4EFE0E74
     for ; Fri,  5 Nov 2010 17:48:11 -0400
Received: from (localhost [])
     by (Postfix) with ESMTP
     id AB05D81294; Fri,  5 Nov 2010 15:48:01 -0600 (CST)
Received: from (unknown [])
     by (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9086A81294
     for ; Fri,  5 Nov 2010 15:47:04
-0600 (CST)
Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so3445479iwn.22
         for ; Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:46:54
-0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;; s=gamma;


DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws;; s=gamma;



MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by with SMTP id x11mr2237722ibw.22.1288993613956;
  Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:46:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by with HTTP; Fri, 5 Nov 2010 14:46:53 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <>
References: <>
Subject: Re: BUS: rebellion
From: Elliott Hird 
To: agora-business 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11
Precedence: bulk

List-Id: Agora Nomic public communications (PF)


Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 21:46:53 +0000
X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP

me too

  3 With irrelevant headers stripped, the result is:

In-Reply-To: <>
References: <>
Subject: Re: BUS: rebellion
From: Elliott Hird 
To: agora-business 
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 21:46:53 +0000

me too

  4 Message had the
    subject "rebellion" and the body "i rebel - coppro". It is not
    otherwise reproduced here.

  5 As is usual in cases of ambiguity, the formula in Rule 217 should be

       When interpreting and applying the rules, the text of the rules
       takes precedence.  Where the text is silent, inconsistent, or
       unclear, it is to be augmented by game custom, common sense,
       past judgements, and consideration of the best interests of the

  6 Rule 478 defines public messages

       A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent
       to all players and containing a clear designation of intent to
       be public.  A rule can also designate that a part of one public
       message is considered a public message in its own right. A
       person "publishes" or "announces" something by sending a public


  7 The text of the rule is very clear. Any message sent by a public
    forum constitutes, in its entirety, a public message.

  8 Rule 478 is silent as to what portion of an electronic mail
    constitutes the message.

  9 Rule 754 provides guidance as to how words should be interpreted when
    they are not defined by the rules.

       (3) Any term primarily used in mathematical or legal contexts,
           and not addressed by previous provisions of this Rule, by
           default has the meaning it has in those contexts.

       (4) Any term not addressed by previous provisions of this Rule
           by default has its ordinary-language meaning.

10 The term 'message' is not used primarily in a mathematical or legal
    context, so it has its ordinary-language meaning.

11 RFC 2821, which defines the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol and thus
    electronic mail generally, consistently refers to a message as being
    the entirety of the message, including the headers and body.

2.3.9 Message Content and Mail Data

    The terms "message content" and "mail data" are used interchangeably
    in this document to describe the material transmitted after the DATA
    command is accepted and before the end of data indication is
    transmitted.  Message content includes message headers and the
    possibly-structured message body.  The MIME specification [12]
    provides the standard mechanisms for structured message bodies.

12 The definition in RFC 2821 is not binding. Rather, it must be
    evaluated in context of the Rule 271 guidelines to rule
    interpretation. It is, however, a strong source, as it is the
    defining document for most of Agora's communication history, and,
    with exception of a single scam, all of Agora's historical public

13 The first Rule 271 consideration is game custom. There appears to be
    a weak game custom towards having subject lines not be relevant. In
    particular, it was assumed by the Herald that ehird's rebellion

14 However, when this CFJ was first called, there was not a significant
    set of arguments put against it in either direction. Most commentary
    was referring meekly to past CFJs, which will be addressed in time.

15 The only message that this Court believes could constitute a genuine
    argument in this case was sent by Wooble:

You acknowledged yourself that you didn't quote the message, and
message headers are generally ineffective, so I assumed it was
uncontroversial that you weren't a rebel.

16 Here, Wooble assumes the same weak general principle that headers are
    generally ineffective.

17 All in all, there does not seem to be a particularly strong game
    custom, although there is a weak one in favor of message headers
    being ineffective.

18 Past judgments will be next considered. CFJs 1631, 1784, 1880, 2389,
    2390, and 2777 were presented as evidence for this case. This court
    also finds that CFJs 1335, 2441, and 2452 are relevant to this

19 CFJ 1335 is the oldest case that this Court could find that deals
    with the subject of message subject lines. The judgment, fortunately,
    contains sufficient context to interpret it, and is reproduced here:

To be "correct in its particulars", Rule 402/9(ii) requires a Notice of
Speaker Transition (NoST) to contain two distinct elements:
      Element (1): the reason for the transition; and
      Element (2): the Player who held the office of Speaker-elect at the
                   time the transition commenced.

Here is the Relevant portion of Neil's message of Sat, 8 Dec 2001:

 > As GWotO:
 > The current Speaker is Tainted, and there is an Electee to the Office
 > of Speaker-Elect.  By Rule 1648, this triggers a Speaker Transition as
 > described in R402.
 > Notice of Speaker Transition:
 >   A Speaker Transition has begun.  At the commencement of the
 >   Transition, Steve held the Office of Speaker-Elect.
 > Assuming the particulars of the Notice are correct, Steve ceases to
 > hold the Office of Speaker-Elect and becomes the Speaker.

In terms of Element (1), while the message as a whole identifies the
reason for the Speaker Transition, ("the current Speaker is Tainted"),
the portion of the message specifically labeled "Notice of Speaker
Transition" does not contain this information.  The question is, then,
can the NoST itself be construed to contain this information?

Case FOR: The subject line of the whole message is "Notice of Speaker
Transition."  This overrides the smaller subset of text which attempts
to delimit the NoST, and therefore the whole message is an NoST.  The
other actions in the message ("as ADoP" etc.) are not necessary for the
NoST but are in fact part of it.  This is also less nitpicky, the
information is in the message and this Court generally preferred less
nitpicky interpretations of Actions.

Case AGAINST: The internal delimitation has precedence, and only two
sentences of the message are the actual NoST.  This is rather like a
Proposal which has "Proposal" in the subject heading but contains other
actions (for example, submitting the Proposal) before the delimited
portion of the Proposal itself.

In many and even most cases, this Court should and would take the less
nitpicky approach; that since the message as a whole contains the
information, the information should be deemed to be part of the Notice.
However, several of the other Actions performed in the message ("As
ADoP", etc.) clearly were meant to happen BEFORE and AFTER the Notice
was issued. This is further evidenced by the rest of the message, which
contains phrases such as "...the above Notice..."

Therefore the Notice should be taken to explicitly begin at the internal
Title and explictly end after the indentation changes to indicate the
end of the delimitation, and as such, does not contain information on
Element (1), the reason for the transition.

Therefore, The Court returns a judgement of TRUE.

20 This Court notes that the inquiry was to whether "The Notice of
    Speaker Transition issued Sat, 8 Dec 2001 was incorrect in its
    particulars." Thus it was judged that the NoST failed.

21 The most directly relevant portion of Judge G.'s ruling is that in
    most cases, the subject line would be held relevant to the message
    and it would consider the entire message to be the NoST. However, he
    excepts the specific scenario for which the CFJ was called, as the
    NoST was clearly delimited.

22 The next relevant CFJ was CFJ 1631, where it was ruled that omd did
    not register by sending a message with a subject of "I register" and
    no body.

23 The judgment was brief and made a reference to game custom, which
    this Court has already examined.

Agoran custom, as I understand it, is that a public announcement happens
in the message body.  The message body was blank, so there is no action
taking place. Therefore, I judge FALSE.

24 CFJs 1784 and 1880 directly or indirectly refer to CFJ 1361 as being
    precedent and do not question the judgment. This Court finds no
    reason to consider them further, as they do not add any new
    jurisprudence. The judgments are not reproduced here.

24 This court does not find CFJ 2389 to be directly relevant to the
    case at hand.

26 CFJ 2390 covers case where the subject line of an email was required
    to somewhat disambiguate a fairly-clear action taken in the body of
    a message. It was found that it could be so used, but the judgment
    referred to past precedent without citing any specific case. It
    seems likely that it referred to one of CFJs 1361, 1784, or 1880.
    Because of the brevity and the lack of cited precedent, it is
    difficult to assign significant weight to this case.

Subjects should not be interpreted as game actions in the
general case; this is established precedent. However, in the lack of
context to make a message meaningful, the Subject line can provide
necessary context for the actions within. This is pure common sense
and, IMO, for the Good of the Game.

27 CFJ 2777 is similar, but contains stronger reasoning. Once again,
    without a specific citation of precedent or an in-depth analysis, it
    is difficult to assign great weight to this judgment.

While a subject line alone is not (by past precedent) sufficient to
directly perform an action or directly convey information, if a clear
statement in the body of the message specifically and directly exhorts
the reader to pay attention to the subject line, and the body does not
contradict the subject line, that is sufficient to make the subject
line a part of the information clearly "contained in the message".

Note that a reference to something not sent along with the message
(e.g. a reference to look at a website or external source) would
not necessarily qualify in the same way, as the external reference
does not leave the sender's domain of control with the message.

27 CFJs 2441 and 2452, by contrast, do not deal with subjects of
    messages. However, they do address the subject of attachments, which
    are, like subject lines, portions of the message not contained in
    what most people view as being the message body. Thus this Court
    will consider them as well in discharging this judgment.

28 In judging CFJ 2441, Judge ehird made two errors in eir judgment.
    The first is the statement that the archive does not store
    attachments and the second is assigning legal weight to the archives.
    Attachments are, in fact, stored in the archives, and there is no
    basis in the rules or elsewhere to consider the archives to be part
    of the definition of a forum. As a result, this Court will exclude
    this case from its consideration.

FALSE; the archive does not store these, and ais523 has said he
sometimes reads the PF via the archives, so an attachment effectively
doesn't exist for a Public Forum message.

29 It was judged in CFJ 2452 that it is permissible to conduct game
    communication by attachments, provided that people have their
    attention drawn to the attachment. This has parallels to the earlier
    cases where a subject line was deemed effective because it was
    referred to by the body of a message. Judge Yally equated this more
    directly to the use of a foreign language, where the test of
    reasonability applies.

I see this issue as being similar to posting in a foreign language or a
strange regional dialect. In that, this is legal communication but if
the attachment does not appear for some players or a player isn't
reasonably aware of the attachment, then it is ambiguous. However, if
all players receive the attachment and the executor makes it clear that
there is an attachment, then I see no problems. I opine TRUE.

30 This Court does not find that the best interests of Agora favor one

31 The Court is persuaded by past judgments, in particular CFJs 1335 and
    2452, to apply the moron in a hurry test to this situation. Common
    sense is also a strong guide - this Court sees no reason why a
    message that is very explicit should be denied status simply because
    it has an empty body.

32 Applying this test to the message in dispute, the Court finds that
    only a moron in a hurry would not realize that ehird intended to
    rebel, as the message e was referring to was obvious, and there is
    only one action to which "me too" could possibly refer.

33 Accordingly, this Court judges CFJ 2895 to be TRUE.


Judge Murphy's Arguments:

I accept G.'s arguments, at least with respect to this
specific pair of breaches.  NOT GUILTY.