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    G. made two fee-based attempts to make proposal 6724 democratic.

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Caller:                                 G.

Judge:                                  Murphy
Judgement:                              FALSE

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History:

Called by G.:                           21 May 2010 19:43:32 GMT
Assigned to Murphy:                     22 May 2010 14:56:26 GMT
Judged FALSE by Murphy:                 22 May 2010 15:23:10 GMT

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Caller's Arguments:

The message was typed once (and the send button hit once) but it was sent
to two public fora (agora-business and the yoyo backup list).  Was it one
(attempted) action or two?  As far as I know no precedent has been set for
this.

One one hand it was a single typed message, on the other it was sent "via"
a forum twice (once per forum).

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Caller's Evidence:

> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:11 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kerim Aydin 
> Reply-To: Agora Nomic Backup List 
> To: Agora Business ,
>     Agora Nomic Backup List 
> Subject: Re: BAK: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals
6724-6727
>
>
> On Fri, 21 May 2010, Sean Hunt wrote:
> >>> 6724 1 3.0 Spitemaster Green Agora Should Stay A Nomic
>
> I spend a fee to make 6724 democratic.
>
> I support all efforts to make 6725, 6726 democratic.

Rule 478/27 (Power=3)
Fora [extract]

      A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent
      to all players and containing a clear designation of intent to
      be public.  A person "publishes" or "announces" something by
      sending a public message.

      Where the rules define an action that CAN be performed "by
      announcement", a person performs that action by unambiguously
      and clearly specifying the action and announcing that e performs
      it.  Any action performed by sending a message is performed at
      the time date-stamped on that message.

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Judge Murphy's Arguments:

Despite being sent to and via two public fora, the message
remained a single message, so the actions performed by it
were not duplicated.  In particular (and suggesting more
borderline cases that might be judged differently):

  * e typed it only once and hit the send button only once

  * both fora had the same To: header, which listed both fora

  * both fora had the same Date: header

  * both fora delivered the message without significant variance
    in date-stamps, so by convention (precedent?) the Date: header
    is used for the purpose of Rule 478

  * the message did not express any explicit intent to act once
    per forum

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Judge Murphy's Evidence:

Excerpts of headers from Murphy's copy sent via yoyo:

Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 19:16:52 +0000
Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 19:16:52 +0000
Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:49 +1000 (EST)
Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:48 +1000 (EST)
Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:48 +1000 (EST)
Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:45 +1000
Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:42 +1000
Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:42 +1000 (EST)
Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:42 +1000 (EST)
Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:41 +1000 (EST)
Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:12 -0700
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:11 -0700 (PDT)
X-Auth-Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:11 -0700
X-Auth-Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:11 PDT
X-PMX-Version: .. Antispam-Data: 2010.5.21.190314

Excerpts of headers from Murphy's copy sent via a-b:

Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 19:17:06 +0000
Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 19:17:06 +0000
Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 14:17:02 -0500 (CDT)
Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 14:16:28 -0500 (CDT)
Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:12 -0700
X-Auth-Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:11 -0700
X-Auth-Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:11 PDT
X-PMX-Version: ... Antispam-Data: 2010.5.21.190314
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:11 -0700 (PDT)

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