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==============================  CFJ 2500  ==============================

    A player who does not deregister in the interval becomes a Senator
    exactly 1440 (60 * 24) hours after e registers.


Caller:                                 Wooble

Judge:                                  ehird
Judgement:                              FALSE

Appeal:                                 2500a
Decision:                               REASSIGN

Judge:                                  Rodlen
Judgement:                              FALSE



Called by Wooble:                       05 May 2009 17:44:55 GMT
Assigned to ehird:                      05 May 2009 18:08:04 GMT
Judged FALSE by ehird:                  05 May 2009 18:22:25 GMT
Appealed by omd:                        05 May 2009 18:33:14 GMT
Appealed by G.:                         05 May 2009 18:43:05 GMT
Appealed by Murphy:                     05 May 2009 18:52:21 GMT
Appealed by Quazie:                     05 May 2009 18:55:53 GMT
Appealed by ais523:                     05 May 2009 18:57:42 GMT
Appeal 2500a:                           05 May 2009 18:57:42 GMT
REASSIGNED on Appeal:                   14 May 2009 10:12:46 GMT
Assigned to Rodlen:                     14 May 2009 12:12:57 GMT
Judged FALSE by Rodlen:                 15 May 2009 01:07:18 GMT


Caller's Arguments:

The Registrar's reports, going back to at least November of 2007, list
an exact time at which various players became or would become a
Senator, this time being the second that occurs exactly 60*24 hours
after the time each player registered.  However, Agoran days begin at
midnight and R2177 requires that a player be continuously registered
for the preceding 60 days.  This seems to imply to me that a player
who registered at noon on 1 January would become a Senator at the
beginning of 3 March rather than at noon on 2 March.

Similarly, ASAP deadlines have been taken to expire at the same time
they began 7 days later, but reading as within 7 Agoran days which
begin at midnight, they'd expire at the end of the 7th day.


Caller's Evidence:

      A Senator is any first-class player who has been registered
      continuously for the immediately preceding sixty days.

      (a) The phrases "in a timely fashion" and "as soon as possible"
          mean "within seven days".
          (1) Agoran days begin at midnight UTC.


Judge ehird's Arguments:

FALSE; see caller's arguments


Appellant omd's Arguments:

Intend to appeal, see judge's arguments


Appellant G.'s Arguments:

I intend to call for appeal of this judgement with 2 support.

It neglects that (for power-3 rules at least) the "natural" definition
of a day's span has precedence over the power-2 "Agoran day" definition
in R1023, as required by R754(2).

Further, this judgement neglects a substantial history of the use of the
term "day" when not written as "Agoran Days."  On this historical note,
it was thought that the third paragraph of the following text was self-
evident enough to be part of common definitions and be removed to be
simply and easily defined as precedent or as part of common usage due
to the ordinary-language interpretation of a span of time:

Rule 459/5 (Power=1)
Agoran Epochs

      Days, weeks, months, quarters, and years are epochs.  The
      corresponding Agoran epochs are Agoran days, Agoran weeks,
      Agoran months, Agoran quarters, and Agoran years, respectively.

      Agoran days begin at midnight GMT.  Agoran weeks begin at
      midnight GMT on Monday.  Agoran months begin at midnight GMT on
      the first day of each Gregorian month.  Agoran quarters begin
      when the Agoran months of January, April, July, and October
      begin.  Agoran years begin when the Agoran month of January
      begins.  An Agoran epoch lasts until the next Agoran epoch of
      the same type begins.

      Except in this Rule, when the Rules refer to an epoch as an
      independent entity (e.g. "each month"), they shall be
      interpreted as referring to the corresponding Agoran epoch.
      However, when the Rules refer to an epoch as a relative duration
      (e.g. "one month after", "within one month", "for one month"),
      they shall be interpreted as referring to the ordinary-language
      meaning of that duration.

      Automatic events that happen daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly,
      or yearly happen at the beginning of the corresponding Agoran
      epoch.  Any activity that must be performed daily, weekly,
      monthly, quarterly, or yearly must be performed at least once
      during each corresponding Agoran epoch.

      Other Rules may explicitly define alternate schedules for events
      or classes of events.


Appellant ais523's Arguments:

[initiated without specifying whether it was based on comex's or
Goethe's intent; if neither due to ambiguity, then Murphy initiated
based on Goethe's intent at 19:06:23 UTC]


Gratuitous Arguments by Wooble:

I'd argue for FALSE based on Goethe's evidence.
The phrase "continuously for the immediately preceding sixty days"
seems to refer to each day as an epochal entity, as distinct from
"within 7 days" which reads more naturally as a time span consisting
of 7 24 hour periods as measured from the specified event.  I believe
referring to "days" vs. "Agoran days" is a red herring; certainly game
custom is that a high priority officer doesn't violate the rules by
publishing eir report on Monday of one week and then on Tuesday of the
next week, even though there's a "week" in the non-epoch sense during
which no report was published.


Judge Rodlen's Arguments:

What Wooble said.

Sheesh, we have to explicitly differentiate between days and days in Agora in

Er...we have to explicitly differentiate between days and Agoran days in the
ruleset of Agora!?!  Wow.