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==============================  CFJ 2165  ==============================

    Attributes of a person such as whether e is biological, wearing a
    hat, the same as another person, etc. can be ratified.


Caller:                                 omd

Judge:                                  G.
Judgement:                              UNDETERMINED



Called by omd:                          16 Sep 2008 21:47:40 GMT
Assigned to G.:                         23 Sep 2008 08:28:08 GMT
Judged UNDETERMINED by G.:              23 Sep 2008 14:50:35 GMT


Caller's Arguments:

I'm arguing for FALSE, because they're not part of the
gamestate, and that Rule 2170 would not prevent an Annabel situation.


Judge G.'s Arguments:

Unfortunately the two examples given by the caller, wearing a hat and
being another person, are very different, thus making this a "mixed"

There is nothing to stop the rules from making "wearing a hat" in actual
physical fact some condition for earning points or somesuch, and make a
recordkeepor to track that information, thus make some such property
subject to ratification, creating the legal fiction that someone was
wearing a hat at some time.  This argues for a trivial TRUE.

However I think what the caller is getting at is that, in the current
ruleset, if there was a recordkeepor who tracked points and wrote:
Maud:    10 points
Annabel: 10 points
and then ratified the report, it would not ratify Maud and Annabel
to be separate persons; if the "truth" were uncovered it would have
ratified that Maud had 20 points at the time.  A more difficult case
is for mutually exclusive conditions:
Maud:    Leaning
Annabel: Sitting
This would "collapse" to whichever had happened later, and ratifying
the above report would not ratify the impossibility that the single
person was both Leaning and Sitting, so saying that ratifying this
would ratify the existence of two entities would be FALSE.  So, the
caller is correct to say that ratification would not prevent an Annabel
crisis, pragmatically all we can do is make the punishment severe
enough that it is a high barrier to attempts.

In any case, in the statement examples, seeing as "wearing a hat"
is TRUE and "being the same as another" is FALSE, the net effect is
for the broader statement as written is UNDETERMINED.