============================== CFJ 2051 ==============================
ais523 can fill the Buy Ticket specified in the evidence more than
Called by BobTHJ: 27 Jun 2008 20:21:43 GMT
Assigned to woggle: 01 Jul 2008 21:34:34 GMT
Judged FALSE by woggle: 05 Jul 2008 17:56:17 GMT
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Alexander Smith wrote:
> BobTHJ wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Alexander Smith wrote:
>>> BobTHJ wrote:
>>>> Buy Ticket
>>>> Cost: A number of VP equal to 1/3 (rounded down) of the filler's
>>>> current Voting Limit on Ordinary proposals.
>>>> Action: Vote in the manner specified by me on a future proposal of my
>>>> choice. This ticket may be filled multiple times (a maximum of once
>>>> per each player) and does not expire until revoked.
>>> An offer that looks good, but there's a scam behind it, I think.
>>> Presumably you're going to try to corner a majority of votes and use
>>> them to push through a scam proposal?
>> I had considered that....but mostly I'm just pre-buying votes for
>> future legitimate proposals that I want to make sure pass. I doubt I'd
>> get enough takers to get a majority of votes anyway.
> Well, in that case: there are at least 28 players (I'm not counting
> ehrid or the Left Hand in that count because their registration stati
> are in doubt), and that ticket has been filled once, so it can be filled
> a further 27 times. I therefore fill that ticket 27 times; my VLOD is 4,
> so the cost is 1 VP each time. (Arguments for why this is possible: the
> action states 'once per each player', which is a total of at least 28
> times, but nothing limits which player can accept a ticket apart from
> specifying a set of target parties, which has apparently not been done,
> and cannot be construed as anything but the set of all parties to the
> vote market if it does exist; the wording "This ticket" implies that all
> the tickets are identical and the first one definitely had a target set
> of all parties to the vote market. Besides, 'once per each player' is
> ambiguous anyway, and could refer to either 'each player can once', or
> 'once for each player'; the second reading seems more natural to me,
> except that it seems unlikely to have been intentional, thus these
Judge woggle's Arguments:
>>>>> Buy Ticket
>>>>> Cost: A number of VP equal to 1/3 (rounded down) of the filler's
>>>>> current Voting Limit on Ordinary proposals.
>>>>> Action: Vote in the manner specified by me on a future proposal of my
>>>>> choice. This ticket may be filled multiple times (a maximum of once
>>>>> per each player) and does not expire until revoked.
The Vote Market agreement does not clearly specify the form of an
announcement of a Buy Ticket. It does specify that a Buy Ticket has
the following attributes:
* A description of an action
* A cost in one or more currencies (typically VP), which may be
conditional or variable as long as it can be determined with certainty
when that ticket is filled
* Optionally, a set of target parties. If not specified, this defaults
to the set of all parties to the Vote Market agreement. Only parties
designated as targets may fill a ticket.
Furthermore the Vote Market contract specifies that: A Buy Ticket that
has been filled expires and ceases to exist unless otherwise specified
by its poster.
So the primary question is whether "This ticket may be filled multiple
times (a maximum of once per each player) and does not expire until
revoked." was sufficient to specify an appropriate conditional set of
I find that there is genuine ambiguity on this point. "per" could mean
"for each" or "by each". But is not in the best interests of the game
that a contract-like text (which this Buy Ticket is) be interpreted
against its writer's intent when (a) its writer's intent was clear;
and (b) everyone else bound to that text (relevantly including ais523
in this case) knew or clearly should have known that the writer's
intent was a reasonable interpretation of the contract-like text.