============================== CFJ 1573 ==============================
OscarMeyr became Speaker on or about 22:58:35 on 30 June 2005.
Called by Maud: 04 Jul 2005 16:34:24 GMT
Assigned to G.: 08 Jul 2005 08:15:01 GMT
Judged FALSE by G.: 11 Jul 2005 17:35:12 GMT
OscarMeyr's announcement of papal succession violated the conditions
specified in rule 786. However, that rule does not appear to specify
what happens if an announcement is made incorrectly (probably a bug).
The conclave is concluded whether an announcement is made according to
provision (b) (empty club) or provision (c) (nonempty club).
I think that rule 786 should be read as empowering the ADoP to make a
player a pope by announcement, but requiring em to do so only when
that player is in the cardinal club and has at least as much support
as any other member of that club. If this reading is correct, then
OscarMeyr has made emself pope regardless of whether e was a cardinal.
Now, rule 402 says that whenever a pope is not a cardinal, e ceases
being a pope. But it also says that whenever a valid notice of papal
succession is published, the current Speaker ceases being Speaker,
then the named pope becomes Speaker, then that pope ceases to be a
I think that the sequence of events in this case is as follows. Note
that I am heavily anthropomorphizing here; I think my conclusions are
1. OscarMeyr publishes the notice.
2. The announcement makes em a pope by rule 786.
3.1. Rule 402 tries to make em stop being a pope, because
e are the ADoP.
3.2. Rule 402 recognizes that the notice of papal succession
is valid, because it was published by the ADoP and the
player named in it is a pope.
4. Hence Rule 402 simultaneously does the following:
4.1. It makes em stop being a pope (but it remembers who e
4.2. It makes the current Speaker cease to be Speaker.
5. "The pope" (i.e., the person named in the notice of papal
succession) becomes the Speaker.
6. Rule 402 tries to make "the pope" cease being a pope, but
fails because that person is no longer a pope.
1. OscarMeyr's announcement concluding the conclave
2. Rule 402/12 (Power=1) Church and State
3. Rule 786/14 (Power=1) Default Procedure for Conclaves
OscarMeyr's announcement is available online at
and is included by reference.
Rule 402/12 (Power=1)
Church and State
A cardinal is an active, ready player who is neither the current
Speaker nor the Associate Director of Personnel.
While there is a pope, no other player may become a pope.
Whenever a pope is not a cardinal, e ceases being a pope.
A notice of papal succession declares that a specified player is
a pope. The notice is valid only if it is published by the
Associate Director of Personnel and the specified player is
indeed a pope.
Upon publication of a valid notice of papal succession, the
current Speaker ceases to be Speaker, the pope becomes the new
Speaker, and the pope ceases to be a pope.
Rule 786/14 (Power=1)
Default Procedure for Conclaves
When the rules require that a conclave be convened, and no
competing conclave is currently convened, then as soon as
possible, the Associate Director of Personnel (ADoP) shall
announce that e convenes a conclave, specifying a collection of
cardinals and indicating that those cardinals are to convene a
conclave. Provided that:
(a) the rules require that the conclave be convened;
(b) no competing conclave is currently convened; and
(c) the collection consists of qualified cardinals,
then as of such an announcement, a conclave consisting of the
qualified cardinals is convened. A cardinal is qualified for a
conclave unless the rules specify otherwise.
The first seven days following the convening of a conclave
constitute the posturing period. During the posturing period, a
qualified cardinal may announce eir intent to become a pope.
Any other player may publicly support or revoke support for a
cardinal's claim until the posturing period ends.
As soon as possible after the posturing period ends, the ADoP
shall perform the following actions in order:
(a) E shall determine the cardinal club, which is the collection
of qualified cardinals with positive support from the
populace and at least as much unwithdrawn support as any
other qualified cardinal.
(b) If the cardinal club has no members, e shall announce this
fact, and announce the conclave was inconclusive.
(c) If the cardinal club has at least one member, e shall select
one of its members to be pope, then publish the list of
members of the cardinal club, indicating which member is to
become a pope. That member becomes a pope as of this
The ADoP's announcement in (b) or (c) concludes the conclave.
If the conclave was inconclusive, eir announcement of this fact
shall constitute a valid call to conclave. If the conclave has
not concluded within a fortnight from the time it was convened,
any player may announce that it is inconclusive; upon such an
announcement, the conclave shall conclude with an inconclusive
result, and a conclave must be convened.
If the office of ADoP is ever vacant, or the identity of its
holder cannot be determined with reasonable certainty, then the
first player who announces that e convenes a conclave, with eir
announcement adhering to the conditions for the ADoP's
announcement, shall then be permitted and required to perform
the actions that would have been required of the ADoP for that
Judge G.'s Arguments:
The caller claims that the following to events occured:
> 1. OscarMeyr publishes the notice.
> 2. The announcement makes em a pope by rule 786.
If the announcement did not in fact make OscarMeyr a pope, then the rest of
the caller's arguments are irrelevant and the correct judgement would be
The paragraph of R786 that allegedly enabled the ADoP's announcement to make
OscarMeyr a pope is:
(c) If the cardinal club has at least one member, [the
ADoP] shall select one of its members to be pope, then
publish the list of members of the cardinal club,
indicating which member is to become a pope. That member
becomes a pope as of this announcement.
OscarMeyr was not in fact a member of the Cardinal Club eir name was
indicated, by the ADoP's announcement, as the one selected (this fact is
undisputed). Did the announcement make OscarMeyr a pope anyway, as the caller
No. The Wholly Beneficient and Majesterial Wisdom that is This Court opines
that if the ADoP makes an announcement, but selects/ indicates an entity that
is not a member of the cardinal club, then the announcement does not meet the
minimum requirements of "selecting one of [the cardinal club's] members" and
"indicating which member [of the cardinal club] is to become pope" that would
cause the announcement to be treated as a pope-making instrument.
The Wholly Beneficient and Majesterial &tc. therefore finds: FALSE.