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==============================  CFJ 1389  ==============================

    The Bank incurred a debt of 0.1 Papyri to Steve as a result of
    Opposite Proposal 4332.


Caller:                                 root

Judge:                                  Steve
Judgement:                              FALSE



Called by root:                         19 Jun 2002 04:56:17 GMT
Assigned to Steve:                      19 Jun 2002 20:19:19 GMT
Judged FALSE by Steve:                  24 Jun 2002 04:37:46 GMT


Caller's Arguments:

Rule 1479 establishes that the Bank incurs a debt to an entity whenever
a player is required by the Rules to "pay out" properties to that
entity.  By Rule 1991, the Promotor "may" pay out 0.1 Papyri to emself
as the result of distributing an opposite proposal, but no requirement
is involved.  As a result, the "pay out" language of Rule 1991 fails to
create a debt.


Caller's Evidence:

Rule 1479/3 (Power=1)
Definition of "Pay Out" and "Bill"

      Whenever a Rule requires a Player to pay out one or more
      Properties to some entity, the Bank shall incur a debt to that
      entity for those Properties, and the named Player shall, as
      soon as possible, post a public notice of the debt.

      Whenever a Rule requires a Player to bill an entity for one or
      more Properties, that entity shall incur a debt to the Bank for
      those Properties, and the named Player shall, as soon as
      possible, post a public notice of the debt.

Rule 1991/1 (Power=1)
Opposite Proposals

      Each time the Promotor distributes Proposals, e shall first
      select at random a single distributable Proposal, to be known as
      the Target. E may then distribute with these Proposals an
      Opposite Proposal for the Target. If e does so, e may, Without 2
      Objections, pay out 0.1 Papyri to emself.

      An Opposite Proposal should be clearly marked as such.  It
      should be substantially the opposite, in spirit or effect, of
      its Target. An Opposite Proposal shall have the same status as
      its Target, including AI, Sanity, Urgentness, Disinterestedness,
      and Democraticity; except that, if the Target does not have an
      AI of at least 2, the Opposite Proposal shall be neither
      Democratic nor Sane.

      The Promotor shall be considered to be the proposer of the
      Opposite Proposal, but shall incur no penalties as a result of
      being its proposer. This Rule takes precedence over all Rules
      which would impose such penalties.

Steve distributed Opposite Proposal 4332 in the following partially quoted

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:17:37 +1000 (EST)
From: Steve Gardner 
To: Agora Official 
Subject: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 4330-4332

Agora Nomic
Distribution of Proposals 4330-4332


No.    | Title                          | By           | AI | Date    | Flag
       |                                |              |    |         |
4330   | June Contested Proposal        | OscarMeyr    |  1 | 07Jun02 | CT
4331   | Quick Economic Fix             | root         |  2 | 09Jun02 | CU
4332   | Quick Economic Catastrophe     | Steve        |  2 | 10Jun02 | CUO

D: Disinterested  C: demoCratic  U: Urgent  S: Sane  O: Opposite
P: Parliamentary  T: conTested

Steve attempted to pay out 0.1 Papyri to emself per Rule 1991 in the
following quoted message:

Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:28:15 +1000 (EST)
From: Steve Gardner 
Subject: Re: BUS: Intent to pay out Papyri
To: Agora Business 

On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Steve Gardner wrote:

> Since I distributed an Opposite Proposal this Week, I announce my intent
> to pay out 0.1 Papyri to myself, Without 2 Objections, in accordance
> with the provisions of R1991.

There having been no Objections, I pay out 0.1 Papyri to myself. The
Bank therefore incurs a debt to me of 0.1 Papyri.

I transfer 0.1 Papyri from the Bank to Steve to satisfy the above



Judge Steve's Arguments:

I accept the Caller's argument as Judge that the Statement is FALSE.