============================== CFJ 1270 ==============================
There is no ordering to the statements 'I become a scribe.' and 'I
become a politician.' in first message in which Syllepsis so stated
Called by Syllepsis: 08 Feb 2001 02:59:01 GMT
Judged FALSE by Ziggy: 10 Feb 2001 21:21:19 GMT
Assigned to Ziggy: 10 Feb 2001 21:40:32 GMT
The two statements shared the beginning character "I" and the ending
character "." at the exact same point in the message, and furthermore
wrap to the left and right, and up and down, so that one can not be
discerned to be above or to the left of the other.
One may also make the point that this message was written in a concrete
poetic form, which is not normally considered to have any order.
Judge Ziggy's Arguments:
I agree that there is no definitive ordering of these statements in the
However, I disagree with the assertion that "there is no ordering" to them.
For example, various Players have put forth the following interpretations
- Grech said that one can parse it from left to right and top to bottom,
and the Scribe attempt thus finishes first
- loh also mentions "left-to-right, top-to-bottom", and sees the message
as interpretable as '"" or "X" (i.e., they flow downward side-by-side
or cross at "a")'
- Goethe rotates eir eyes 90 degrees to read it.
Therefore, I conclude that not only is there an ordering to the statements
in that message, but that there are many different (and yes, contradictory)
orderings. Thus I Judge CFJ 1270 FALSE.
Judge Ziggy's Evidence:
Grech in <135842274.981498008754.JavaMail.root@boots>:
I base this claim on the fact that, if parsed from left to right, top
to bottom, in the standard English fashion, the sentence "I become a
Scribe" is complete before the sentence "I become a Politician".
Ergo, according to Rule 1527, Syllepsis first attempts to become a
Scribe, and then attempts to become a Politican, separated by
infinitesimal amounts of time. According to Rule 1960, his first
attempt is successful, as e has publicly stated the role (Scribe) e
is changing to. His second attempt is unsuccessful, as an
infinitesimal amount of time is clearly less than the three months
required by Rule 1960.
loh in <200102062258.JAA30381@fw.serc.rmit.edu.au>:
Rule 1527 uses "order of appearance". Implicit in that is the
traditional (?) direction of text flow in the language of the message.
In this case, left-to-right, top-to-bottom.
The message itself is "intended to be read with a fixed width font",
which emphasizes the horizontal properties of the message.
Because it's not clear whether to interpret the sentences to be
physically structured as "" or "X" (i.e., they flow downward
side-by-side or cross at "a"), I fall back on ltr-ttb, where
"Politician" is encountered first.
On the other hand, the first thing I did was rotate my eyes 90
degrees, which puts "scribe" on TOP of "politician". (Rotating the
other way makes the message upside down and backwards). And then
there is (of course) the left to right "I bbeeccoommee a
PSoclriitbieci.an" interpretation. Last I checked, there were no
PSocliriitbiecians among us. Maybe e was intending to create a
new role with this name? I suggest that we create the
PSocliriitbiecian role to solve this problem.