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==============================  CFJ 1246  ==============================

    Peekee has paid a Fee of 10 Stems since the 15th of September this


Caller:                                 Peekee
Barred:                                 Crito

Judge:                                  t

Judge:                                  pTang
Judgement:                              FALSE



Called by Peekee:                       19 Sep 2000 00:00:00 GMT
Assigned to t:                          27 Sep 2000 00:00:00 GMT
t recused:                              28 Sep 2000 00:00:00 GMT
Assigned to pTang:                      28 Sep 2000 16:06:45 GMT
Judged FALSE by pTang:                  28 Sep 2000 19:36:35 GMT


Caller's Arguments:

[date approximate]

The message sent clearly transfers 10 Stems for the purpose of Paying a Fee
of that amount.

Now,from Rule 1941 "Fees", "To Pay a Fee is to transfer the specified
quantity of that particular Currency to the Bank if and only if that
transfer is made solely for the purpose of Paying that particular instance
of that Fee."

Regardless of if the Fee existed at this point the Transfer would succeed if
the Fee did exist.

However since that time there has been reason for such a Fee to exist
(either from the beginning of this message or from the quoted message) and
even if the Transfer failed to Pay it when the Transfer was made I see no
reason that it should not pay the Fee when the Fee does come into existence.

If the Fee did not come into existence the question has to be asked when
ever do the Fees come into existence.  Most messages to Pay Fee are of the
for "I Transfer XXX to do YYY."  Though this is a lot more compact than what
I did, I do not see as it is any different.  A Transfer is made and then (if
in the same sentence) a demand/wish is given.


Caller's Evidence:

*       From: Alan Riddell
*       Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:44:17


I hereby transfer 10 Stems to the Bank for the purpose of Paying a Fee of 10

I would like to inform the relevant Offices that I wish to obtain 10 IATs.



Judge pTang's Arguments:

The only Fee Peekee could possibly have Paid is the one
defined in Rule 1912.

Rule 1912 specifies a Fee of "an equal number of Stems"
[equal to the number of ABCs the player wishes to obtain]

By R1941, Peekee Paid that Fee iff all of the following are true:

1) Peekee stated publicly a number of some ABC e wished to obtain
2) Peekee transferred a equal number of Stems to the bank
3) The transfer was made solely for the purpose of Paying an
instance of the Fee defined in Rule 1912

Conditions #1 and #2 are true.

However, we have a sticking point on condition 3.

Was the purpose of the transfer solely for the purpose of Paying
an instance of the Fee defined in Rule 1912?

This hinges on the ill-defined term "instance of a Fee."

I find that the Rules do not speak adequately to this
point, and will therefore use custom, commonsense etc.
to guide my ruling.

Commonsense and the best interests of the game dictate
that Paying a Fee is an action that links a single payment
to a single effect.  The single effect is enabled by the

My fully expanded interpretation of Condition #3 is therefore:

3) The transfer was made solely for the purpose of enabling
some single effect that the Rules specify is conditional upon
transferring some amount of Currency to the Bank.

This was NOT the sole purpose of the transfer, therefore
Peekee did not Pay a Fee.