============================== CFJ 1212 ==============================
Wes became the High Oligarch on Wed, 3 May 2000 12:48:35 +0300.
Called by t: 04 May 2000 11:10:21 GMT
Assigned to Peekee: 04 May 2000 12:14:28 GMT
Judged TRUE by Peekee: 07 May 2000 15:38:18 GMT
Appealed by Steve: 08 May 2000 03:27:46 GMT
Appealed by Taral: 08 May 2000 18:29:14 GMT
Appealed by Elysion: 08 May 2000 20:53:56 GMT
Appeal 1212a: 08 May 2000 20:53:56 GMT
REASSIGNED on Appeal: 19 May 2000 20:41:16 GMT
Assigned to Elysion: 20 May 2000 13:02:45 GMT
Judged TRUE by Elysion: 25 May 2000 00:52:59 GMT
Rule 1937 defines how Vacancies in the Oligarchy are filled. It states
that when there is no High Oligarch "The Low Oligarchs select a Middle
Oligarch to become High Oligarch." In May 1 00:00:00 GMT, the monthly
rotation happened (Rule 1938), leaving the seat of High Oligrach open. As
required by Rule 1937, the Low Oligarchs harvel, Michael and t then
announced their selection. Wes was chosen to be the High Oligarch by an
Unfortunately, Rule 1938 doesn't define clearly the precise time when Wes
became the High Oligarch. Three possibilities come to mind:
1) When the required majority has been attained. In this case, this
happened at Wed, 3 May 2000 09:49:12 +0100, as can be seen from the
2) When all Low Oligarchs have announced their selection. In this case,
this happened at Wed, 3 May 2000 12:48:35 +0300.
3) After the selection deadline of three days has passed, which in this
case happened at Thu, 4 May 2000 00:00:00 GMT.
In any case, even if 2) or 3) should be found to be true, apparently all
Oligarchs are still required to announce their selections, even if it
would have no effect. This fact does give some support to the statement.
However, the Rule only mentions what should be done when a selection
requiring a majority vote does not have a decisive result, not what
happens when it does.
I attach all three Low Oligarchs' announcement as well as the pertinent
Rule (R1937) as evidence.
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 21:35:06 EDT
From: Michael Slone
Subject: BUS: Oligarch selection
(Hoping this works)
I hereby select Wes to become High Oligarch.
Low Oligarch harvel
What a fabulous "reward"! Why not add the "reward" of not being thrown
into gaol, while we're at it?
-- Blob, in agora-discussion
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:49:12 +0100 (BST)
From: Michael Norrish
Subject: OFF: Oligarch selection
I select Wes to become High Oligarch.
Low Oligarch Michael.
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:48:35 +0300 (EEST)
To: Agora business
I select Wes to become the High Oligarch.
Wes has been chosen to become the High Oligarch, with 3 votes in favor of
em and 0 votes in favor of Elysion. There is now a Middle Oligarch
Now, the question is, whether Wes became the High Oligarch just now or
already when Michael made eir selection which guaranteed that Wes would be
chosen. Doesn't matter in this situation but it might in some other
circumstances. Does anybody want to cfj?
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Rule 1937/0 (Power=2)
Filling Vacancies in the Oligarchy
Vacancies in the Oligarchy are filled as follows, in order.
1) If there is no High Oligarch:
a) The Low Oligarchs select a Middle Oligarch to become High
b) If there are no Low Oligarchs, then the Speaker selects a
Middle Oligarch to become High Oligarch.
c) If there are no Middle Oligarchs, then the Speaker selects
a Low Oligarch to become High Oligarch.
d) If there are no Middle Oligarchs or Low Oligarchs, then
the Speaker conducts three Auctions: one for High
Oligarch, one for the two Middle Oligarchs, and one for as
many Low Oligarch positions for which no Auction is
already in progress.
2) If a Middle Oligarch position is vacant:
a) The High Oligarch selects a Low Oligarch to become a
b) If there are no Low Oligarchs, then the High Oligarch
conducts a single Auction for L+M positions in the
Oligarchy, where L and M are, respectively, the number of
vacant Low and Middle Oligarch positions for which no
Auction is already in progress. The High Oligarch then
selects M of the new Oligarchs to be Middle Oligarchs.
3) If a Low Oligarch position is vacant:
a) The High Oligarch conducts an Auction for the number of
Low Oligarchy positions for which no Auction is already in
Any selection required by this Rule must be announced within
three days. A Player may not change eir selection once e has
A Player required to make selection who fails to do so within
three days commits the Class 2 Infraction of Oligardiness, which
any Player may detect and report.
Selections performed by two or more Oligarchs are by majority vote.
If a single Oligarch who is required to make a selection fails
to do so, or if a selection to be performed by majority vote
does not produce a decisive result within three days, then the
Oligarchs' selections (if any) are cancelled and the Speaker is
required to make the selection instead.
Judge Peekee's Arguments:
I hereby Jusge this TRUE.
As wes was selected by the other Oligarchs at such a time when then had all
given their choice. As described in 2) of the callers arguement.
Judge Elysion's Arguments:
Rule 1937 does not specify when the selection caused Wes to become High
Oligarch. There are three likely
a) When the selection cannot be changed by further selections by
the remaining Oligarchs
b) When all Oligarchs have selected
c) When 3 days have passed
If only 2 Low Oligarchs have selected, and both selected Wes, the third
is still required to make a selection, even though the group selection
is already determined. Thus, the selection process does not end at (a).
Rule 1937 provides for two ways to end the process, (b) and (c)
(whichever occurs first). In this particular case, (b) occurred first.
The relevant phrase of the algorithm is "The Low Oligarchs select a
Middle Oligarch to become High Oligarch." Clearly, after the selection
process is completed and a Middle Oligarch is chosen, e becomes High
Oligarch. Although it could be argued that rule 1937 never says when the
selection causes the Middle Oligarch to become High Oligarch, it is this
judge's opinion that the most reasonable interpretation of rule 1937 is
that the change occurs immediately after the process is completed. I
therefore judge this statement TRUE.