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==============================  CFJ 1208  ==============================

    The Herald's Report was last ratified after 01Feb2000[.]


Caller:                                 Elysion

Judge:                                  Blob
Judgement:                              TRUE



Called by Elysion:                      14 Apr 2000 22:55:00 GMT
Assigned to Blob:                       16 Apr 2000 13:56:22 GMT
Judged TRUE by Blob:                    19 Apr 2000 07:17:11 GMT


Caller's Arguments:

If Ratification is impossible, then my attempt on 14Feb00 failed. If
Ratification is still possible, then my attempt succeeded. I have
attached Steve's argument below.


Caller's Evidence:

Subject: RE: Re(2): DIS: RE: dance
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:56:27 +1000
From: Steve Gardner 
To: "''"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: []
> Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2000 13:38 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re(2): DIS: RE: dance
> Indeed and i have been forced to retain those errors until now.  They
> weighed heavy on my conscience.

Don't rush to correct them just yet. I think there are legal issues here
be resolved.

Kelly's argument is that the provision in R1550 that "Any Official
(as specified in other Rules) may be ratified by the operation of an
Proposal (but no other sort of instrument)" takes precedence over the
provision in R1791 that "Any Officer who holds an Office in Normal
can Ratify an Official Report Without Objection".

Allow me to play devil's advocate and suggest a counter-argument. R1550
forbids only the Ratification of Documents by other sorts of
An instrument is an entity with Power > 0. So, clealy, a Rule cannot
a Document. But does R1791 describe Ratification by a Rule? I think it
be more accurate to say that it describes Ratification by an Officer.
the Officer acts according to the provisions of the Rule, but the Rule
itself actually Ratifies nothing. It only sets out the procedures for
so. The actual Ratification is performed by the Officer. In short, and
Kelly has so often pointed out, the Rule is not an agent - only the

Perhaps a CFJ to resolve this is indicated.




Judge Blob's Arguments:

As Wes has pointed out, both in the dicta of CFJ 1207 and in discussion
in a-d, the problem with Ratification by Officer does not lie in any
conflict between Rules 1550 and 1791, but rather between Rules 1791 and
1552. Steve is correct in pointing out that Officers are not instruments,
and so are not regulated by R1550. The difficulty lies in the requirement
in R1791 that:

        i) The Report to be Ratified is one that is legally
           permissible to Ratify.

What does "legally permissible to Ratify" mean? Well, the only other
rule which places conditions on what documents can be ratified is Rule
1552, which says:

      In order for an Official Document to be valid for the purpose of
      a Ratification, it must satisfy all the following criteria at
      the time the Proposal which would Ratify it is Proposed:

The criteria themselves are not important at this stage. The paragraph
quoted presents us with a difficulty. It was clearly written with the
assumption that Ratification would be done by Proposal only. How should
it be interpreted when there is no "Proposal which would Ratify"?

The answer is far from straightforward. It could be argued that without
such a proposal the document is never valid. It could perhaps be equally
well argued that without such a proposal the criteria are trivially true.
Both arguments are really stretching the meaning of the sentence in
question. The simple truth is that the rule text makes an assumption
which is plainly false. Trying to derive a meaningful interpretation
of such a sentence is nonsensical.

There is, I believe, a precedent for considering any part of a rule
that is self-contradictory in a given situation as null and void. I believe
it is in keeping with game custom and the best interests of the game to
extend that precedent to this case. I rule that, in this situation,
Rule 1552 is meaningless as it is based on untrue assumptions, and so
it has no force.

Without Rule 1552, there would appear to be no other restrictions on
what documents are legally permissible to ratify, and so R1791 (i) is
trivially true, under the doctrine of "permissibility of the unprohibited"
as espoused by Rule 101.

As the other criteria in R1791 were indeed satisfied for the report in
question, I see no reason to rule that the the report was not properly
Ratified. I therefor submit a judgement of TRUE.