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From: Wes Contreras 
To: agora-off 
Subject: OFF: CFJ 1171 Judged TRUE
Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 11:39 PM


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                              CFJ 1171

    Peekee resigned from The Legislators' Club in the message with
    Message-ID: <83c6467d.251929d3@aol.com>

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Called by:           Murphy

Judge:               Blob
Judgement:           TRUE

Judge selection:

Eligible:            Blob, Crito, elJefe, Elysion, harvel, Kolja,
                     Lee, Michael, Palnatoke, Peekee, Wes

Not eligible:
Caller:              Murphy
Barred:              -
Had their turn:      Annabel
Already served:      -
Defaulted:           -
By request:          -
On Hold:             elJefe, Oerjan, Steve

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History:

Called by Murphy:                     26 Sep 1999 16:40:55 -0700
Assigned to Blob:                     28 Sep 1999 22:38:37 -0700
Judged TRUE by Blob:                  08 Oct 1999 18:38:15 +1000
Judgement Distributed:                As of this message

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Caller's Arguments:

1) The Notary received the message, therefore the message was sent to
   the Notary.  (You're confusing "sent to" with "sent privately to".)

2) Rule 718 defines a way to leave the Jurisdiction of the Group.  No
   other specification is required.

3) Rule 718 does not require the Vizier to remove the Player from the
   Group.  Rule 718 itself removes the Player from the Group.

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Evidence attached by the Caller:



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Judge's Arguments:

R718 appears to cover this situation, without any real room for
interpretation:

Rule 718/5 (Power=1)
Resignation from a Group

      A Player who is a Member of a Group shall be removed from the
      Jurisdiction of that Group's Ordinances when that Player sends a
      message to the Notary and the Vizier of that Group, indicating
      that e is resigning from that Group.  The Ordinances of a Group
      are not permitted to prohibit a Player from sending such a
      message.

      This Rule does not in any way prevent a Player from being
      removed from the Jurisdiction of a Group's Ordinances by other
      means specified by the Rules or the Ordinances of that Group.

Murphy's argument on the issue of "send[ing] a message to the Notary
and the Vizier of that Group", appear to be sound. Game custom states
that messages sent to the discussion list are indeed sent to all the
players on that list. And it is obvious from their further actions
that both Murphy (the Notary) and Peekee (the Vizier of the Group)
received the message from the list.

So I judge the statement TRUE.

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Evidence attached by the Judge:

1) Message-ID: 83c6467d.251929d-@aol.com
   "Various Business" sent by Peekee to a-d on 9/21.
   (The message in question in the CFJ).

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As Peekee:

I hereby cast 1 Vote FOR P3915.
I hereby cast 1 Vote FOR P3916.
I hereby cast 8 Votes FOR P3917.
I hereby cast 8 Votes FOR P3918.

As the Executor of the Legislators' Club.

The Legislators' Club hereby casts 14 Votes FOR P 3915.
The Legislators' Club hereby casts 14 Votes FOR P 3916.
The Legislators' Club hereby casts 14 Votes FOR P 3917.
The Legislators' Club hereby casts 14 Votes FOR P 3918.

The Legislators' Club hereby Transfers all of it's Currencies to Peekee.

As Peekee Again:

I hereby resign as the Vizier of the Legislators' Club and then leave the
Legislators' Club, thus ceasing to be a Member.  The Notary should note that
The Legislators' Club now has no Members, and so should no longer be a Group.
 The Chancellor should note that his inturn will cause the currency Buttons
to be destroyed.


Peekee ex-Vizier of the Legislators' Club.

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