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STP #4: Classroom Discourse Readings, 2001

(Note: superscripts refer to reference list, not included here.)

          The chaos of last Wednesday’s Multicultural Ed class couldn’t have come at a better time for the Teaching and Learning curriculum.  Our discussion began with the implications of the children’s book Nappy Hair[1] and quickly moved to the bigger issue of white teachers and black children.  Soon caution and decorum were thrown to the wind and people began to speak passionately, their words running over and on top of each others, interrupting and accusing.  This crazy moment happened the very week we were focusing on classroom management and culture in our Dilemmas class.  The next day in  Dilemmas we had an even, measured discussion about the day before and the implications for our classrooms.  The tone of that discussion was calm, rational and critical of the day before.  A classroom measured and controlled is better right?  You can’t let your classroom get out of hand and still be a good teacher, can you?

There is a huge amount of terrain between Wednesday’s chaos and the IRE[2] driven classroom, and most of the readings this week were about how to negotiate that narrow yet expansive area.  At their core, all these writings are essentially constructivist; they hold to the tenants that students are responsible for their own learning and must be given as active a role as possible in order to nurture the feeling of responsibility that will motivate the student to undertake “risky and ambiguous cognitive tasks.”[3]  Along with this transfer of responsibility comes a transfer of control from the teacher to the student.  This comes about as a result of the greatly increased amount of talking students do as a part of the suggestions these writings make.  Although the teacher is ultimately in charge and can direct the path of a conversation, it is important to recognize that the horse is being given the reins. 

 Cazden has a number of excellent ideas to offer after her harrowing description of IRE.  The decisions about who gets to speak when (Speaking rights), the teachers’ style of speech, and what questions are asked[4] are all ways for the teacher to transfer control and agency to the students.  The most powerful tool and the one that Cazden was pushing towards was cross-discussion.  Cross-discussion, a type of discussion where the teacher is short-circuited and the students engage their ideas one on one, is the norm in our graduate classes, but relatively rare at the high school level.  Allowing this type of discussion is a teacher’s dream and his nightmare.  It is very exciting to have your students engaged in this kind of discussion and very frightening to let the direction of it pass out of your hands. In the Blumenfeld article there are several examples of classroom conversations, and even the ‘good’ ones show the teacher largely in control.  Their questions read like examples from the Wolf article, they are “authentic” and “decent,”[5] but there are few hints that the students have much control over the direction of discussion.  Even though the teachers in the case study are using IRE, the questions that they choose to ask are deeper and more challenging than is typical.  As a result, they can access student agency and responsibility through ideas rather than through the form of the discussion.  The last textual example that I would like to consider is Lisa Delpit’s theory about explicitly teaching the “culture of power.”  Lisa Delpit maintains that students functioning in the culture of power and outside their own culture must be explicitly taught the rules that govern behavior in the culture of power.  This powerful argument can be generalized to all students functioning outside their familiar culture, which in the case of classroom culture is a lot of students.  It is difficult for anyone to pick up the subtleties and implications of a culture that they are unfamiliar with.  Also, the chance of making mistakes and gaffes is greatly increased.  It is very helpful to be clued in directly as to what the expected behaviors are in a particular setting and in the case of this discussion, it is the classroom.  When attempting to teach students to discuss or engage in significant cognitive tasks, it is helpful to directly instruct them in what the expected and acceptable behaviors are.  Although these ‘norms’ will seem hollow at first, as the students begin to engage with material and each other through the courtesies of the ‘norms,’ the ‘norms’ will gradually become invested with meaning.  Our class on Thursday is a great example of negotiating the middle ground.  By requiring that everyone speak and by placing a peculiar formalism on the manner of discussion, the tone and nature of the discussion was radically different from that of the day before.  It was calm, students discussed their ideas and while they were in partial control of the content of the discussion, Sue was in control of the manner of discussion.  

There is an oddness in comparing our classes to high school classes.  What is acceptable for graduate students is not necessarily acceptable for high school students.  Using examples from our classes to create understanding about high school classes is risky, yet in class on Thursday, however, we did this very thing.  We used our experience from the day before to explore what acceptable classroom behavior and norms are without explicitly examining the differences between graduate programs and high school classes.  A much more reactionary conclusion about Wednesday came out of Thursday’s discussion because we were unconsciously applying high school norms to ourselves. 

Wednesday’s class needed to happen.  It is impossible to discuss issues that are that emotionally charged and expect people not to get fired up.  In fact, to think that people will remain rational and calm and engage in “coffeetalk” is both unrealistic and irresponsible.  These issues need emotion and vigor and argument.  To treat them with anything less is to sell them and ourselves short.  Thursday, too, was a very productive class.  After the heat the day before, we needed coolness and we needed an opportunity for people who hadn’t spoken to speak.  The calmness and pace of the talking was such that usually silent people felt more comfortable and able to put their thoughts and words together.  

          Letting a class get as out of teacher control as we were on Wednesday is a good idea for a high school class.  In “Lost in Words,” the class is out of teacher control with regard to content, but not in regard to discussion format.  This loss of control and the subsequent discussion makes an interesting point that ties our classes together with high school classes.  Sometimes, it is important for things to run to places the teacher doesn’t expect or want. A conversation like that in “Lost” or like Wednesday’s exposes crucial issues, regardless of problems of content or form.  The point is not to stop or discourage these conversations, but to use them as a springboard for more learning.  Coming back to class and having a discussion like Thursday’s where all voices are given a chance to speak is an awesome thing to do after a blow up.  “Lost” wasn’t about how to stop that kind of discussion, it was about how to address it later, about what should be said and what considered.  



[1] I have no information on this book other than the title.  It was Tyson’s book if you are interested.

[2] Cazden, C.;  (#9);  p29-30;

[3] Blumenfeld, Phyllis;  (#11);  p210;

[4] Cazden;  p54-62;

[5] Wolf;  p4-5;