================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:35:43 +0200 (CEST) From: md2@freenet.de To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: ? Looking for works by Kathinka Sutro-Schuecking Hello everyone,=0D=0A=0D=0ASorry for posting this twice -- my first m= essage came out quite mangled. Maybe this will be more readable!=0D= =0A=0D=0AI'm looking for any and all works by the German-American wom= an writer Kathinka Sutro-Sch=FCcking [that's "u" with an umlaut!] (18= 34-1911), and these two in particular:=0D=0A=0D=0A1) "Doctor Zernowit= z. Villa Montrose". Chicago: Laird & Lee, 1894.=0D=0A2) "Eine lieblos= e Ehe und andere Erz=E4hlungen". Comp. and ed. Paul Emil Sutro (n.p.,= n.d.)=0D=0A3) "Caroline Wasenburg"=0D=0A=0D=0AThe copy at the Univ. = of Cin cinnati cannot be photocopied or microfilmed, the copy at the NYPL wa= s stolen, and the CPP doesn't have the copy listed in the Nat. Union = Cat. of pre-1956 holdings. Can anyone help with these, or any other = works by Sutro-Sch=FCcking? (I've checked out just about everything e= xcept for individual libraries' card catalogs!)=0D=0A=0D=0A(except: "= In beiden Hemisphaeren", "Die Erlebnisse einer Schutzlosen", and "Ums= onst" which I already have)=0D=0A=0D=0AVariant spellings: Sutro-Schuc= king, Sutro-Schuecking, Sutro, etc.=0D=0A=0D=0ADoes any one know of the existence/whereabouts of Laird & Lee archives?=0D= =0A=0D=0AThank you for your assistance!=0D=0A=0D=0AMatthew Gaskins= =0D=0Amd2@freenet.de=0D=0A=0D=0A-- =0D=0A=0D=0AIhrPreis.de - Aus Freu= de am Sparen! Hier klicken:=0D=0Ahttp://www.freenet.de/shopping/wunsc= hpreis/index.html=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 07:47:54 -0400 From: Don Saklad <dsaklad@gnu.org> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu, dsaklad@gnu.org Subj: Reference Desks customer services excellence. Discarded Listings. How could you persuade our cities' public libraries to be more responsive to our cities' public libraries users/customers/consumers and to be more responsive to our public libraries workers?... Too often when concerns, suggestions and questions are raised, library users and library workers raising the concerns, suggestions and questions do not find robust responses in a spirit of the mission of our cities' public libraries to our communities' constituencies. Example: -Please forward to Bill Taylor Collections Committee BPL Board Bill Taylor, Collections Committee BPL Board c/o BPL Clerk Jamie McGlone jmcglone@bpl.org Bernie Margolis, BPL President bmargolis@bpl.org Nicholson Baker nb@well.com Dear Bernie Margolis, Via email, please arrange for me to read listings of Boston Public Library discards or make the information available via BPL web links. Reference: Double Fold by Nicholas Baker page 270 Epilogue Four Recommendations This is another reference question about Referece Desks and customer services excellence that stumped the BPL team and Sally Beecher, Head Boston Public Library General Reference Department oo__ dWs Guide to Problematical Library Use http://GuideToProblematicalLibraryUse.WebLogs.com/Stories ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:40:03 -0400 From: thomas.d.fuller@us.andersen.com To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Cc: nigel.rees@btinternet.com Subj: % Bogart ""even the dead can talk"" Nigel Rees sent me the following message he got from Pete Atkin about this quotation: ************************* Pete's message: OK. Now I've asked Clive about Bogart and "even the dead can talk". He said it was from a 1960 movie called 'Murder, Incorporated' directed by the amazingly named Bretaigne Windust. Now that would be fine except that, according to Halliwell's Film Guide at any rate, Bogart wasn't in it. LH says it's a "tedious and poorly made gangster thriller [with] unforgivable faults considering the many admirable models it has to follow." It features Stuart Whitman, Mai Britt, Henry Morgan, and (probably crucially) Peter Falk (who was nominated for an Oscar for it). My guess is that faulty memory is at work, Clive would have seen it (I imagine) in Sydney and the song wasn't written for another ten years or so, and it's perhaps not too hard to imagine remembering Peter Falk as Humphrey B. There's another inconsistency: the movie wasn't directed by Mr Windust, at least not according to LH who credits Burt Balaban and Stuart Rosenberg (apparently his first film). Two directors is always a sign of something untoward, of course. Maybe BW really directed but his name was kept off (a blacklist connection maybe?). Then again, BW died in 1960, so maybe the others finished it. Or ... I'll pursue it further with Clive when I next get a chance to speak to him. It may be that he has the full explanation. **************************** Nigel then followed up with: Actually, Pete Atkin was in error. The Bogart film in question is The Enforcer (directed by Bretaigne Windust) in 1951, which for some reason was known in the UK (and probably in Clive James's Australia) as Murder, Inc. It's supposed to be very good. Now all we need is someone to check it out! ***************************** Anybody feel like watching a gangster movie tonight? -- Tom, who doesn't *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:51:41 -0400 From: Robert L Hadden <rhadden@usgs.gov> To: Don Saklad <dsaklad@gnu.org>, stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Discarded Listings Dear Don Saklad: First off, Mr. Baker doesn't know what he is talking about. While he dismisses the libraries' problems of lack of space, budget and staff, now that he owns 7,000 volumes of old newspaper volumes he finds he needs help to house the collection, run the facility and make it available to the public, and to preserve/conserve his collection. His accusations against libraries for being held hostage to these three problems is pathetic enough to make me laugh, if I didn't cry instead. In these days of reducing taxes, library services are also reduced. The number of hours the public libraries in my home county are open have just last month come back to the same level they were in 1990 because of cutbacks in taxes. Redundant or less important tasks are being eliminated so more important ones can be retained. If you want more services, you will have to fight politically against those who want to reduce taxes and government services. Good luck, cobber! Providing lists of weeded books by large libraries is sterile. Since they are on their way out, once they are removed from the library catalog they become dross, as is discarded furniture, used office equipment and bent paper clips. Taking the time to sort and list the items to be discarded is an enormous time taking task. You don't believe me? Then offer to be responsible for doing this as a volunteer, and promise not to hold up the process ever because of your conflicting time requirements, vacations, sick days, etc. Volunteer to use your own equipment and home space, and to provide public access and assume security. Also do all the planing so the books are arranged annually/monthly/weekly in the same order on your list, with separate divisions for the convenience of the easily outraged patrons, such as Easy books, children's books, juvenile, fiction, nonfiction, reference, sub-divided and arranged by call number or author's name or title, and make sure there are no misspellings or inaccurate data. List all periodical issues and serials to be disposed, and be willing to locate only those issues called for, and not all the rest. Now, you also have to volunteer to hold all the surplus items in storage, and in retrievable order, in case someone wants to argue with the disposal of twenty worn copies from all the branches of Titanic movie books filled with Leonard DiCaprio's pictures and many a junior high school girl's hopes. Actually, I have been there, done that, and bought the T-shirt. When I worked in an Army post library overseas (think of a public library on a military base, used by soldiers, their families, dependents, retirees and government workers), when books were to be disposed, a list was made and sent to all the other army posts, who could then pick what they wanted (if anything) and the items would be shipped to them. The manpower of handling this chore was not worth the value of the books, and this idiot system died a well deserved death many years ago. However, many control freaks miss this system which turned the library books into accountable items that the librarian was responsible for, rather than disposable items which the librarian is not responsible for, title by title. These terms are business terms, and refer to the principle of having either x amount of inventory in the library instead of a listing of each separate item. For libraries, this has always been confusing since we use one method to help patrons find a unique item, and another method to hold the library accountable. An interesting and unique example of how good business practices should not be used in a professional library system, since the benefits do not outweigh the costs. Can this task be done again? Certainly. All it takes is money, space and staff. Do you have any? Lee Hadden rhadden@usgs.gov Don Saklad <dsaklad@gnu. To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu, dsaklad@gnu.org org> cc: Subject: Reference Desks customer services 05/01/2001 excellence. Discarded Listings. 07:47 AM How could you persuade our cities' public libraries to be more responsive to our cities' public libraries users/customers/consumers and to be more responsive to our public libraries workers?... Too often when concerns, suggestions and questions are raised, library users and library workers raising the concerns, suggestions and questions do not find robust responses in a spirit of the mission of our cities' public libraries to our communities' constituencies. Example: -Please forward to Bill Taylor Collections Committee BPL Board Bill Taylor, Collections Committee BPL Board c/o BPL Clerk Jamie McGlone jmcglone@bpl.org Bernie Margolis, BPL President bmargolis@bpl.org Nicholson Baker nb@well.com Dear Bernie Margolis, Via email, please arrange for me to read listings of Boston Public Library discards or make the information available via BPL web links. Reference: Double Fold by Nicholas Baker page 270 Epilogue Four Recommendations This is another reference question about Referece Desks and customer services excellence that stumped the BPL team and Sally Beecher, Head Boston Public Library General Reference Department oo__ dWs Guide to Problematical Library Use http://GuideToProblematicalLibraryUse.WebLogs.com/Stories ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:59:15 -0400 From: thomas.d.fuller@us.andersen.com To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: % Azziza No help on the book, I'm afraid, although the graph at http://www.prenoms.com/free/prenom.php?fiche=azziza indicates that the popularity of the name (in France, at least) spiked in the late 1970's and early 1980's. (If "spiked" is a statistically useful term for a name that appeared only 73 times in 100 years). I presume that the patron already knows that the name means "dearest" in Arabic. -- Tom *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 09:25:32 -0400 From: "Hendon, Alison" <A.Hendon@BrooklynPublicLibrary.org> To: "'stumpers-l@cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: RE: Reference Desks customer services excellence. Discarded Listi ngs. Don Saklad writes: <snip> >Dear Bernie Margolis, >Via email, please arrange for me to read listings of >Boston Public Library discards or make the information >available via BPL web links. Do public libraries have listings of discarded material? Not in my experience. ALison Hendon speaking only for myself ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:51:41 -0400 From: Robert L Hadden <rhadden@usgs.gov> To: Don Saklad <dsaklad@gnu.org>, stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Discarded Listings Dear Don Saklad: First off, Mr. Baker doesn't know what he is talking about. While he dismisses the libraries' problems of lack of space, budget and staff, now that he owns 7,000 volumes of old newspaper volumes he finds he needs help to house the collection, run the facility and make it available to the public, and to preserve/conserve his collection. His accusations against libraries for being held hostage to these three problems is pathetic enough to make me laugh, if I didn't cry instead. In these days of reducing taxes, library services are also reduced. The number of hours the public libraries in my home county are open have just last month come back to the same level they were in 1990 because of cutbacks in taxes. Redundant or less important tasks are being eliminated so more important ones can be retained. If you want more services, you will have to fight politically against those who want to reduce taxes and government services. Good luck, cobber! Providing lists of weeded books by large libraries is sterile. Since they are on their way out, once they are removed from the library catalog they become dross, as is discarded furniture, used office equipment and bent paper clips. Taking the time to sort and list the items to be discarded is an enormous time taking task. You don't believe me? Then offer to be responsible for doing this as a volunteer, and promise not to hold up the process ever because of your conflicting time requirements, vacations, sick days, etc. Volunteer to use your own equipment and home space, and to provide public access and assume security. Also do all the planing so the books are arranged annually/monthly/weekly in the same order on your list, with separate divisions for the convenience of the easily outraged patrons, such as Easy books, children's books, juvenile, fiction, nonfiction, reference, sub-divided and arranged by call number or author's name or title, and make sure there are no misspellings or inaccurate data. List all periodical issues and serials to be disposed, and be willing to locate only those issues called for, and not all the rest. Now, you also have to volunteer to hold all the surplus items in storage, and in retrievable order, in case someone wants to argue with the disposal of twenty worn copies from all the branches of Titanic movie books filled with Leonard DiCaprio's pictures and many a junior high school girl's hopes. Actually, I have been there, done that, and bought the T-shirt. When I worked in an Army post library overseas (think of a public library on a military base, used by soldiers, their families, dependents, retirees and government workers), when books were to be disposed, a list was made and sent to all the other army posts, who could then pick what they wanted (if anything) and the items would be shipped to them. The manpower of handling this chore was not worth the value of the books, and this idiot system died a well deserved death many years ago. However, many control freaks miss this system which turned the library books into accountable items that the librarian was responsible for, rather than disposable items which the librarian is not responsible for, title by title. These terms are business terms, and refer to the principle of having either x amount of inventory in the library instead of a listing of each separate item. For libraries, this has always been confusing since we use one method to help patrons find a unique item, and another method to hold the library accountable. An interesting and unique example of how good business practices should not be used in a professional library system, since the benefits do not outweigh the costs. Can this task be done again? Certainly. All it takes is money, space and staff. Do you have any? Lee Hadden rhadden@usgs.gov Don Saklad <dsaklad@gnu. To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu, dsaklad@gnu.org org> cc: Subject: Reference Desks customer services 05/01/2001 excellence. Discarded Listings. 07:47 AM How could you persuade our cities' public libraries to be more responsive to our cities' public libraries users/customers/consumers and to be more responsive to our public libraries workers?... Too often when concerns, suggestions and questions are raised, library users and library workers raising the concerns, suggestions and questions do not find robust responses in a spirit of the mission of our cities' public libraries to our communities' constituencies. Example: -Please forward to Bill Taylor Collections Committee BPL Board Bill Taylor, Collections Committee BPL Board c/o BPL Clerk Jamie McGlone jmcglone@bpl.org Bernie Margolis, BPL President bmargolis@bpl.org Nicholson Baker nb@well.com Dear Bernie Margolis, Via email, please arrange for me to read listings of Boston Public Library discards or make the information available via BPL web links. Reference: Double Fold by Nicholas Baker page 270 Epilogue Four Recommendations This is another reference question about Referece Desks and customer services excellence that stumped the BPL team and Sally Beecher, Head Boston Public Library General Reference Department oo__ dWs Guide to Problematical Library Use http://GuideToProblematicalLibraryUse.WebLogs.com/Stories ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:02:43 -0500 From: Mary Spila <spila@dcls.org> To: Cc: "'stumpers-l@cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: Reference Desks customer services excellence. Discarded Listi ngs. We just finished a large non-fiction weed over the winter, and I suppose one could have created a report of materials with the status of "To be Withdrawn". However, by the time things are weeded here, the items are in pretty grim shape, and anything that might possibly be wanted is pulled for the ongoing "Items for Sale" shelves. Some university libraries, I know do get involved in an "Exchange Program" where they would send around lists of weeded materials and maintain the materials on shelves just in case someone would want something. At the University I used to work for this was practically a full time job, and over 98% of the stuff sat on the shelves for years before we could get approval to finally pitch it. Mary S. "Hendon, Alison" wrote: > Don Saklad writes: > <snip> > >Dear Bernie Margolis, > >Via email, please arrange for me to read listings of > >Boston Public Library discards or make the information > >available via BPL web links. > > Do public libraries have listings of discarded material? Not in my > experience. > > ALison Hendon > speaking only for myself -- Mary M. Spila Reference Librarian East Shore Public Library Dauphin County Library System WWW.DCLS.ORG ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:00:38 -0400 From: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com> To: Robert L Hadden <rhadden@usgs.gov> Cc: Don Saklad <dsaklad@gnu.org>, stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: Discarded Listings At 08:51 AM 5/1/2001 -0400, Robert L Hadden wrote: > Actually, I have been there, done that, and bought the T-shirt. When I >worked in an Army post library overseas (think of a public library on a >military base, used by soldiers, their families, dependents, retirees and >government workers), when books were to be disposed, a list was made and >sent to all the other army posts, who could then pick what they wanted (if >anything) and the items would be shipped to them. The manpower of handling >this chore was not worth the value of the books, and this idiot system died >a well deserved death many years ago. However, many control freaks miss >this system which turned the library books into accountable items that the >librarian was responsible for, rather than disposable items which the >librarian is not responsible for, title by title. As everybody on this list must know, I am not a librarian. I write as a user. I feel strongly that weeding should not be performed on a branch basis, but for a library system. (I am not referring to removing damaged books. Though, if it's the only copy in the system and is out of print it may need to be professionally conserved, even in a public library system.) I am also unhappy with the local purchase system, under which paper-backs are only classified as "popular novel" or whatever, with the result that they aren't found when I want to reserve a particular book. ------------------- Going off on a tangent, why are reserved books returned to their home branch? Generally, why do books have a home branch. If a book is reserved from a particular branch that's evidence that it's needed in the area served by that branch. Leaving returned books at the branch they are returned to would migrate books to where they're wanted. In the days of paper records such a system would have been impractical, today it can easily be done. Has it been tried? Are there some major disadvantages? Do all the books migrate to a small branch that lacks space? What does happen? David the idiotic ib David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:09:09 -0400 From: "Hendon, Alison" <A.Hendon@BrooklynPublicLibrary.org> To: 'ibbetson ' <ibbetson@idirect.com> Cc: "'stumpers-l@cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: RE: Discarded Listings & Local Holdings David Ibbetson wrote: ------------------- Going off on a tangent, why are reserved books returned to their home branch? Generally, why do books have a home branch. If a book is reserved from a particular branch that's evidence that it's needed in the area served by that branch. Leaving returned books at the branch they are returned to would migrate books to where they're wanted. In the days of paper records such a system would have been impractical, today it can easily be done. Has it been tried? Are there some major disadvantages? Do all the books migrate to a small branch that lacks space? What does happen? David, in the system in which I work (Brooklyn Public Library) we have 58 branches, each with their own allotted budgets. Branches select books for their collection according to their community interest - and we have a very diverse community in Brooklyn. If Branch A has bought a book, and Branch B has not, and a patron at Branch B requests it - fine. It will be sent to Branch B. But when returned it will be sent back to A (as you state) because A paid for it and A thinks that their community will be interested in the book. Librarians at Branch B are able to ask Collection Development to either buy them a copy or to put the book on a list to be purchased again in the future. The major disadvantage that I can see is loss of local control which is very important to us. And that the books may end up where there is 1 patron (who requested the books) interested, vs. at the branch that bought it where more may be interested. Does this help at all? Alison Hendon Speaking only for herself ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:29:44 -0400 From: Donna Kotting <Donna_Kotting@fc.mcps.k12.md.us> To: stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subj: <no subject> I am trying to find the title of a book I read long ago with my daughter. I was told that I could write to this email address and that many people would try to help! Thank you in advance to those who reply. I hope the policy is to reply directly to the person with the question since I don't belong to the listserv to read answers. The book was about a young boy who lived in the trees in a fantasy world. Homes were built in the trees, and people moved from branch to branch to visit others. The people were unaware of another group living underground in tunnels below the trees. There was a computer game modeled on the story which my daughter and I used to play on an Apple IIe computer. I vaguely remember that berry bushes were important and that there were treasures underground. I don't remember much more, but my nostalgic daughter (after being away at college for her first year) has been thinking of special things we shared together when she was young, and would love to find a copy of the book. Does this sound familiar to anyone? ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:41:06 -0400 From: Hilary Caws-Elwitt <sctylibrary@stny.rr.com> To: stumpers <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: * 2 art terms from definitions Many, many thanks to Donna Burton, Karen Weiss, John Dyson, Jon George, Tom Fuller, and anyone else who may chime in on this question. The patron likes "allegory" for #1 and "contrapposto" for #2. I asked her to let me know if she finds out for sure what was meant, so there may be a follow-up. Thanks again! -- Hilary Caws-Elwitt, Public Services Librarian -- sctylibrary@stny.rr.com Susquehanna County Library, 2 Monument Sq, Montrose PA 18801 -- 570-278-1881 ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:03:02 -0400 From: Hilary Caws-Elwitt <sctylibrary@stny.rr.com> To: Donna Kotting <Donna_Kotting@fc.mcps.k12.md.us> Cc: stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: book about boy living in trees This sounds like _Below the Root_ by Zilpha Keatley Snyder, a wonderful book (just re-read it a few years ago and it holds up). I didn't know it was a game, but that was confirmed at the Amazon page: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0689304579/qid=988732796/sr=1-4/ref=sc_b_5/107-0954870-5562164 Most large children's collections would have it, I think, so check your local library as it appears to be out of print. If you want to buy it, try http://www.bookfinder.com or the like. -- Hilary Caws-Elwitt, Public Services Librarian -- sctylibrary@stny.rr.com Susquehanna County Library, 2 Monument Sq, Montrose PA 18801 -- 570-278-1881 ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:31:20 -0500 From: "Bratton, Phyllis" <pbratton@jc.edu> To: 'ibbetson' <ibbetson@idirect.com>, 'Robert L Hadden' <rhadden@usgs.gov> Cc: 'Don Saklad' <dsaklad@gnu.org>, Subj: RE: Discarded Listings David -- Here in ND, the State Library usually holds the last copy of a book in state. Libraries around the state check to see if they are discarding the last copy, and if so, send it on. Does this happen always? Probably not. Does the SL keep everything that gets sent to them? Probably not. But it is one way of keeping things available locally (believe me, this IS local in our situation) and assigning responsibility. I think also that one has to consider the costs of maintaining a rarely used item against the costs of borrowing it through ILL. Of course SOMEONE has to keep a copy in order for others to borrow it, but it is ultimately cheaper to discard several hundred unused volumes and borrow back the 10 or so that were mistakenly put in this category than it is to build an extension on to the library and hire the staff to maintain it. Phyllis Phyllis Ann K. Bratton Director, Raugust Library 6070 College Lane Jamestown, ND 58405 (701) 252-3467, ext.2433 pbratton@jc.edu ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:40:57 -0400 From: Beverly Choltco-Devlin <bdevlin@midyork.lib.ny.us> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?United Nations Cemetery and MacArthur One of our patrons believes that Douglas MacArthur was present at the dedication ceremony of the United Nations Cemetery in Pusan, Korea and possibly even gave the dedication address. They would like to confirm that MacArthur was present and the date of the dedication. I have checked every MacArthur biography and Korean War book that we have here, several websites and have sent email messages to several people in Pusan (including a tourist webpage for Pusan) with no luck. Any help that you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Beverly -- Beverly Choltco-Devlin Reference Specialist Mid-York Library System 1600 Lincoln Avenue Utica, NY 13502 voice: 315-735-8328 fax: 315-735-0943 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 00:50:10 +0800 From: timothypwee@nlb.gov.sg To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: Discarded Listings - Books Not Returned Home It's been tried here. The problem with books wandering all over a library system without a home branch is that they tend to migrate in certain patterns - some branches are popular for dropping off books while others get borrowed from heavily. If books are not returned to their home branch, some branches will rapidly develop storage problems while others will end up with empty shelves (usually the downtown libraries where people borrow from). The other problem is number of copies per title at a branch. Just by random chance, a handful of popular titles will end up concentrated at certain branches and absent at others. Timothy Pwee Librarian Singapore ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:20:43 -0500 From: Sam Shipley <iyam@trails.net> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?What Color is ""Goaling Green""? Have a patron who has seen reference to "goaling green" as a particular shade of green. Can anyone tell us more about this color and about the origination of the term? Thank you for your help. ////////////////////////// Sam Shipley Reference Dodge City Public Library 1001 Second Avenue Dodge City, KS 67801 phone: 1-800-657-2533 fax: 316-225-0252 e-mail: iyam@trails.net ////////////////////////// ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 13:46:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Lois Fundis <fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us> To: Sam Shipley <iyam@trails.net> Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?What Color is ""Goaling Green""? At 12:20 PM 05/01/2001 -0500, Sam Shipley wrote: >Have a patron who has seen reference to "goaling green" as a particular >shade of green. Can anyone tell us more about this color and about the >origination of the term? Sam, I can't find "goaling green" as a phrase anywhere. Google asked me if I mean "bowling green"! However, when I left the quotation marks off the phrase I found some references to Irish sports, apparently especially hurling, that indicate that it "raises the green" (a green flag is raised) when a player succeeds in "goaling" (scoring a goal): http://www.homestead.com/stradballysport/OLDNOTES.html FROM THE ARCHIVES The following piece comes from March 1931and detailed a Junior Football Championship match between Stradbally and Touraneena. "G.A.A. Stradbally V Touraneena A Drawn Game at Dungarvan on Sunday. In the opening minutes Stradbally were dangerous, but a strong defence held the line. Both teams were now getting into their stride, and the leather was kept moving at a fast pace. After fifteen minutes Stradbally opened the scoring with a point. Touraneena pressed from the delivery, and were awarded a free but drove wide. Stradbally after a fine passing bout brought play into their opponents half, and a 'fifty' resulted. The free was well directed, but Touraneena effected a good save, and play quickly changed to the other end, where Touraneena raised the green flag. Before the interval Stradbally lost a good chance of goaling, when one of their forwards let the ball fall outside and no one but the goalie to beat. The short whistle left Touraneena leading by one goal to one point." To be continued and later on the same page: UNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP Stradbally 1-07 Nire 1-11 We played the Nire in this decider last Saturday afternoon in Abbeyside and our interest in football for this year is now over. Robbie Aherne opened our account soon into the game with Eoin Cunningham pointing two frees, sandwiched in between by a point from the foot of the impressive Alan Darcy. Unfortunately the Nire had amassed a total of 1-07 in the first period. Six points down going into the second half is a big total to pull back. We outscored our opponents alright in this half but not by enough. Robbie Aherne put over another point as he had done at the start of the game. Paul Casey from mid-field scored our sixth point before Alan Darcy stormed through to smash a goal and raise the green. The same player lofted over another point soon later. But the final score read 1-11 to 1-07 to the men from Ballymac to whom we wish the best of luck in the next round. Team:K Kirwan, P Walsh, J Halpin, D Power, P Doyle, K Coffey, D Coffey, P Casey, E Cummins, E Cunningham, R Aherne, M O'Brien, T Kiely, A Darcy, C Cleary, P Kiely, J Curran, R Gough. and still later on the same page (it's a long page): SENIOR HURLING STRADBALLY 2-10 ERINS OWN 1-10 There is little doubt that this encounter had much as stake as the Taysiders had to prove their potential against city side Erins Own and while the reds did not play to their previous performances, a win by a goal at the conclusion was a well deserved win. Glimpses of two months ago were evident in spells throughout the game but our game will improve. Ten minutes on the clock and scores were level with Michael Walsh and Trevor Curran points before another Curran point edged us ahead only for Erins Own to come back to equal status. Predatory full forward George delivered the first goal of the match with an excellent groundstroke soon later. The City side responded with three points before another Walsh clinical groundstroke restored our lead after an excellent delivery from Stephen Cunningham to raise a green flag. Our lead could have been increased were it not for an excellent save from a Niall Curran pile driver. Cunningham then passed to Curran for an excellent point to leave the interval score at 2-04 to 0-6 in favour of the Reds. The same player increased our lead on the resumption with a point before George Walsh set up Trevor Curran for a superb point. Curran then pointed again from an acute angle. Erin's Own came back with two points before Damian Byrne who had been moved from full back to full forward, was taken down in the penalty area. Our opponent's keeper travelled the full length of the field in Davy Fitzgerald fashion to blast the slioter to the net. Our lead was now the minimum, one point. Hope was restored with a Trevor Curran point but an opposing score from a free cancelled this out. Whatever lingering hopes of victory were being eroded rapidly by our opponents until the final minutes when Stephen Cunningham who sailed through the defence for the best score of the match delivered the best score of the match. Our victory was sealed by a Trevor Curran point to give us a morale boasting win. Team: L O'Brien, K Coffey, J Halpin, O Costello, K Coffey, T Walsh, P Kiely, J Coffey, G Power, S Cunningham, J Hearne, M Walsh, T Curran, G Walsh, A Darcy, N Curran, E O'Brien. I stopped after that; there may be still more references. The only indication of a particular shade of green is a green button at the top of the page that takes you back to their homepage, http://www.homestead.com/stradballysport/waterford.html * * * * Lois Aleta Fundis, Reference ^~~~~^ and Gov't. Documents Librarian Mary H. Weir Public Library, (O) (O) Weirton, WV 26062 fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us . \/ . 304-797-8510 (fax -8526) "Carpe librum!" ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:56:40 -0600 From: "T.F. Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?What Color is ""Goaling Green""? On 1 May 2001, at 12:20, Sam Shipley wrote: > Have a patron who has seen reference to "goaling green" as a particular > shade of green. Can anyone tell us more about this color and about the > origination of the term? I think you are looking for "gosling" green. It's a brownish green. The term was very common in the 18th century, and still survives. T.F. Mills tfmills@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado, USA) Stumpers-L Unofficial Pages: http://wombats.areawesome.net ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 13:52:22 -0400 From: "Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian ****" <karenpdo@gate.net> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: another hunt - All; This is my week for tough requests! - I'm now also looking for alt. access to a database called NAPRALERT from the university of Ill. @ Urbana Descriptives say it's a STN database - Other searches seem to put it in Dialog but I wasn't successful locating it there. Has anyone used this db before/can tell me what universities & commercial services offer access to NAPRALERT?(acronym for NAtural PRoducts ALERT) Karen Mahnk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian karenpdo@gate.net State of Florida Public Defender, 11th Judicial Circuit 1320 NW 14th Street, Suite 330 Miami, Fl.,33125 (305)545-1889 FAX (305)545-1694 ~~opinions are my own and not of my employer~~ Contents is intended only for the recipient(s) listed above & may not be forwarded, reproduced or distributed without permission. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 13:17:00 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: Stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Singing psalms in Italian (was Translate Latin Motet) I include this solely for the archives, realizing that it may be of scant interest. The question came up a few days ago about the existence of an Italian analogue to Latin "psallo (psallere)" and its possible conjugation class. I have located an obsolete verb "psallere" in Italian. Its form reveals it to be ecclesiastical/learned Italian (the retention of the initial "ps"), but it also shows that it entered Italian in the second conjugation; i.e., in the equivalent of its original third conjugation in Latin. That seems to argue for "psallat" as subjunctive in the motet in question. Source: Alfred Hoare, AN ITALIAN DICTIONARY (2nd ed.), Cambridge Universitry Press, 1925. John Dyson Spanish and Portuguese Indiana University ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:05:05 -0600 From: "T.F. Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: floating collections (was: Discarded Listings) On 1 May 2001, at 10:00, ibbetson wrote: > Going off on a tangent, why are reserved books returned to their home > branch? Generally, why do books have a home branch. If a book is reserved > from a particular branch that's evidence that it's needed in the area > served by that branch. Leaving returned books at the branch they are > returned to would migrate books to where they're wanted. > > In the days of paper records such a system would have been impractical, > today it can easily be done. Has it been tried? Are there some major > disadvantages? Do all the books migrate to a small branch that lacks space? > What does happen? The ability to do this would depend on the ILS's ability to float collections, and the willingness of the library district to do so. For some districts with very diverse branches and special collections this would be impractical. For a fairly homogenous district with strong central control, this is a good idea. Patrons have the luxury of returning a book to the most convenient branch. The library then assumes that is where the book should most logically reside. This then becomes a valuable indicator for collection development and branch growth. I think the first library system to implement this scheme was Pikes Peak Library District in Colorado Springs under its then director "Mr. Electronic Library" Ken Dowlin (ca. 1980). (His claim to fame subsequently met doom at SFPL.) The home-grown circulation system that permitted this was very primitive, and was continued with migration to CARL ca. 1986. The district is now migrating to SIRSI, and although I am out of touch with the inner workings, I would expect the choice of SIRSI to revolve heavily around the ability to perpetuate this scheme. T.F. Mills tfmills@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado, USA) Stumpers-L Unofficial Pages: http://wombats.areawesome.net ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:18:00 -0700 From: "DeFato, Joan" <joan.defato@arboretum.org> To: "'Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian ****'" <karenpdo@gate.net>, Subj: RE: another hunt - Did you look at this page? http://www.cas.org/ONLINE/DBSS/napralertss.html Joan DeFato Plant Science Library The Arboretum of Los Angeles County 301 North Baldwin Avenue Arcadia, CA 91007-2697 Phone: (626) 821-3213 Fax: (626) 445-1217 -----Original Message----- From: Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian **** [mailto:karenpdo@gate.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:52 AM To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subject: another hunt - All; This is my week for tough requests! - I'm now also looking for alt. access to a database called NAPRALERT from the university of Ill. @ Urbana Descriptives say it's a STN database - Other searches seem to put it in Dialog but I wasn't successful locating it there. Has anyone used this db before/can tell me what universities & commercial services offer access to NAPRALERT?(acronym for NAtural PRoducts ALERT) Karen Mahnk ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:31:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John Riffe <alfredhitchcock@yahoo.com> To: Beverly Choltco-Devlin <bdevlin@midyork.lib.ny.us>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: % Re: ?United Nations Cemetery and MacArthur According to: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.lifeinkorea.com/cgi-bin/travinfonjs.cfm%3FTravelID%3D313+UN+Memorial+Cemetery&hl=en&client=googlet The Cemetery covers over 35 acres and was established by the United Nations Command on January 18, 1951, when interments were begun. Remains were transferred from six other cemeteries located at Gaeseong, Incheon, Daejeon, Daegu, Miryang, and Masan. The dedication ceremony was held on April 5, 1951. The Korean government granted the land to the United Nations without charge, in perpetuity, as a permanent tribute to all those who gave up their lives in resisting aggression in Korea and in upholding the cause of peace and freedom from 1950-53. MacArthur was not sent home from Korea until April 11. Less then a week after the cemetery was dedicated so it is possible he was at the dedication ceremony but I can't find anything to confirm that theory. John Riffe Parmly Billings Library 510 N. Broadway Billings MT 59101 ===== " Drama is life with the dull bits left out. " Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 14:31:34 -0400 From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?Russian poet Does anyone know of the poem or poet (supposedly Russian, circa 1960) who wrote "Never tell lies to school children"? Ted Nesbitt West Liberty State College, WV __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 13:54:28 -0400 From: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Discarded listings I want to thank the w*mb*ts who have explained to me some of the realities of operating within an underfunded library system. A few years back my local branch was downgraded to the status of satellite to another branch. Books were sold off cheap (that's how I got my out-of-date Britannica) and shelves were spread out to hide the fact that there were less books. We also lost a reference librarian to somewhere else in the system. . . . Nowadays I make most of my reservations by computer and mainly visit the branch for pick-up and return. I hate to imagine what my habits do to computer-calculated figures on the relative importance of various branches. David ib Tiresome, complaining, a praiser of the times that were when he was a boy, a castigator and censor of the young generation -- Horace David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 --------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 14:59:24 -0400 From: David B G Kresh <dakr@loc.gov> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu, tedjnesbitt@netscape.net Subj: Re: ?Russian poet A Russian poet circa 1960 whom we Americans have heard of is probably Yevtushenko, and in fact a line very close to this is the first line of his poem "Lies," which can be found several places by doing a search on www.google.com under: yevtushenko lies David Kresh Humanities & Social Sciences Division Library of Congress dakr@loc.gov >>> <tedjnesbitt@netscape.net> 05/01 2:31 PM >>> Does anyone know of the poem or poet (supposedly Russian, circa 1960) who wrote "Never tell lies to school children"? Ted Nesbitt West Liberty State College, WV __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:26:18 -0400 From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net To: dakr@loc.gov Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?Russian poet Thanks, David. I didn't find the line at the beginning of the poem, but near the end. I'm hoping that this is it. Ted Nesbitt "David B G Kresh" <dakr@loc.gov> wrote: > > A Russian poet circa 1960 whom we Americans have heard of is probably > Yevtushenko, and in fact a line very close to this is the first line > of his poem "Lies," which can be found several places by doing a > search on www.google.com under:  yevtushenko lies > > David Kresh > Humanities & Social Sciences Division > Library of Congress > dakr@loc.gov > > >>> <tedjnesbitt@netscape.net> 05/01 2:31 PM >>> > Does anyone know of the poem or poet (supposedly Russian, circa 1960) > who > wrote "Never tell lies to school children"? > > Ted Nesbitt > West Liberty State College, WV > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com/ > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:32:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Early <ctearly@yahoo.com> To: "DeFato, Joan" <joan.defato@arboretum.org>, Subj: RE: another hunt - The _Gale Directory of Databases_ (2001, Part 2)lists it as available by dial-up from the U. of Ill. at Chicago, College of Pharmacy, Program for Collaborative Research in the Pharmaceutical Sciences (PCRPS), STN, and CompuServe. There's also a website with contact information at http://www.ag.uiuc.edu/~ffh/napra.html --- "DeFato, Joan" <joan.defato@arboretum.org> wrote: > Did you look at this page? > http://www.cas.org/ONLINE/DBSS/napralertss.html > > Joan DeFato > Plant Science Library > The Arboretum of Los Angeles County > 301 North Baldwin Avenue > Arcadia, CA 91007-2697 > Phone: (626) 821-3213 Fax: (626) 445-1217 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian **** > [mailto:karenpdo@gate.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:52 AM > To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu > Subject: another hunt - > > > All; > This is my week for tough requests! - I'm now also > looking for alt. access > to a database called NAPRALERT from the university > of Ill. @ Urbana > Descriptives say it's a STN database - Other > searches seem to put it in > Dialog but I wasn't successful locating it there. > Has anyone used this > db before/can tell me what universities & commercial > services offer access > to NAPRALERT?(acronym for NAtural PRoducts ALERT) > Karen Mahnk > > ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:09:52 -0400 From: cci <cci@nlci.com> To: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: Under funded libraries Reality: If the local library community, which includes patrons, does not get their local Foundation off their doff to raise permanent funds to produce permanent incomes, the community deserves what it should have expected. Government spending and local taxes will produce less and less. The Foundation is there to RAISE money not merely collect envelopes. If they say "How do we do that?", you have the wrong members and a poor chairman---BOTH!. Above remarks are those of the undersigned and are not meant state the position of the WLPL administration or staff. John Seonac Music Reference West Lafayette PL Fx: 765 463 5695 cci@nlci.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "ibbetson" <ibbetson@idirect.com> To: <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:54 PM Subject: Discarded listings > I want to thank the w*mb*ts who have explained to me some of the realities > of operating within an underfunded library system. > > A few years back my local branch was downgraded to the status of satellite > to another branch. Books were sold off cheap (that's how I got my > out-of-date Britannica) and shelves were spread out to hide the fact that > there were less books. We also lost a reference librarian to somewhere else > in the system. . . . > > Nowadays I make most of my reservations by computer and mainly visit the > branch for pick-up and return. I hate to imagine what my habits do to > computer-calculated figures on the relative importance of various branches. > > David ib > Tiresome, complaining, a praiser of the times that were when he was > a boy, a castigator and censor of the young generation -- Horace > > David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 > mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com > Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 > --------------------------------------------------------------- > ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:49:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Donna Burton <burtond@union.edu> To: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?Russian poet Found this text: Do not tell lies to children, who are trusting, do not convince them of a lying word, do not assure them that there is nothing except for peace and quiet in the world. Do not deceive the kids, by any means, by building for them castles in the air. Don't try to teach them to believe in things which we do not believe in, as it were. He who deludes a child will make him isolated, confuse on purpose honor with disgrace. Let children see both what will happen later and what, in fact, is going on these days. A nice sweet lie is poison in the ladle. Don't pardon puppies a mendacious whine. and our kids will not forgive us later for our being forgiving down the line. It as at this URL: http://lat.www.vladivostok.com/Speaking_In_Tongues/yevtushenko.html about half way down the scroll. On Tue, 1 May 2001 tedjnesbitt@netscape.net wrote: > Does anyone know of the poem or poet (supposedly Russian, circa 1960) who > wrote "Never tell lies to school children"? Donna Burton Schaffer Library, Union College Schenectady, NY 12308 burtond@union.edu Phone and voice mail: 518-388-6635 Fax: 518-388-6641 ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:30:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "Dunham, Christopher" <CDunham@mail.fairfield.edu> To: 'Glen Wiles' <glenw@spis.net> Cc: "'stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: RE: Virus Found in message ""Bruce 8-24-99 4th Block 6. What is " Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 16:28:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Glen, For your information, my virus protection found one in your message.. Christopher S. Dunham, Reference Librarian DiMenna-Nyselius Library, Fairfield University 1073 North Benson Road Fairfield, CT 06430-5195 (203)254-4206 > -----Original Message----- > From: Glen Wiles [mailto:glenw@spis.net] > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:44 PM > Subject: Virus Found in message "Bruce8-24-994th Block6. > What is " > > Norton AntiVirus found a virus in an attachment from Glen Wiles. > > > Attachment: setup32.exe > Virus name: W32.Magistr.24876@mm > Action taken: Clean succeeded : > File status: Clean > First ten amendments > Listed on question #7 > > 13. Did the electoral college ever vote unanimously for any > President other then Georage Washington? ( I need more than a > yes or no... give me some information..) > yes, because James Monrol missed by one electoral > vote. > > 19. Under what circumstances may the President call a > special session of congress? > Only under extreme and important measurers, like a war > or earthquake. > > 25. Who defines the congressional districts, the United > States or States? > The states define congressional areas. > ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:24:20 -0400 From: "Hartung, Steven" <shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org> To: "Stumpers--POSTING Q & A's (E-mail)" <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Subj: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym Would anyone know this? Thanks! (Patron thinks last name begins with "P") Steve Hartung, Pamunkey Regional Library ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:26:46 -0400 From: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com> To: cci <cci@nlci.com> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: Under funded libraries At 03:09 PM 5/1/2001 -0400, cci wrote: >Reality: If the local library community, which includes patrons, does not >get their >local Foundation off their doff to raise permanent funds to produce >permanent incomes, the >community deserves what it should have expected. Government spending and >local taxes >will produce less and less. Things work differently in different countries. We didn't have Foundations such as you speak of in the UK and I haven't met one in Ontario. Our public libraries are paid for out of the rates and in the UK a conscious effort was and, I hope, still is made to ensure that poor areas get as good libraries as rich areas. The aims of the Toronto Public Library service are, I believe, similar. For quality of service to depend on how rich the locals are is contrary to the way that I was brought up in the UK and. It is I believe contrary to the beliefs of most Canadians. David David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:48:10 -0400 From: James Lynch <JLynch@bccc.state.md.us> To: "'Hartung, Steven'" <shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org>, Subj: RE: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym Hello, You mean a pseudonym that Dexter has used? Because his name is Norman Colin Dexter, the son of Alfred and Dorothy Dexter (Contemporary Authors, 65-68). Gale's online literary index (http://www.galenet.com/servlet/LitIndex) lists N. C. Dexter as the only "variant" name. The "MacGuffin Guide to Detective Fiction" (http://www.macguffin.net/) lists Colin Dexter under pseudonyms for Norman Colin Dexter. Bookbrowser's (http://www.bookbrowser.com/) list of author pseudonyms doesn't list Dexter at all. Nom de Guerre (http://www.walshnet.com/walshnet/realname/index.html), a listing of names used by various people, not just authors (Catherine Deneuve was born Catherine Dorleac, who knew?) doesn't list Colin Dexter. Are you sure he's used one? Jim Lynch jlynch@bccc.state.md.us STUMPERS-L unsubscribe address is: mailserv@cuis.edu unsubscribe message is: unsubscribe STUMPERS-L -----Original Message----- From: Hartung, Steven [mailto:shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org] Sent: Tuesday, 01 May, 2001 16:24 To: Stumpers--POSTING Q & A's (E-mail) Subject: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym Would anyone know this? Thanks! (Patron thinks last name begins with "P") Steve Hartung, Pamunkey Regional Library ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:50:10 -0400 From: "John W. Bush" <jwb@alumni.stanford.org> To: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com>, cci <cci@nlci.com> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: Under funded libraries It is also contrary to the beliefs of a good many Americans, including this one. We have a collective phobia here about centralized government, which went on extended holiday in 1933 but has been back in full force since 1980. It goes far to explain the insufferable mess we call a health insurance system. ------------ Things work differently in different countries. We didn't have Foundations such as you speak of in the UK and I haven't met one in Ontario. Our public libraries are paid for out of the rates and in the UK a conscious effort was and, I hope, still is made to ensure that poor areas get as good libraries as rich areas. The aims of the Toronto Public Library service are, I believe, similar. For quality of service to depend on how rich the locals are is contrary to the way that I was brought up in the UK and. It is I believe contrary to the beliefs of most Canadians. David David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 06:04:57 +0800 From: timothypwee@nlb.gov.sg To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: RE: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym Could it be the client is thinking of Michael Pennington who is the narrator for several of Dexter's audio books? Timothy ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:03:46 -0600 From: "T.F. Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dorl=E9ac_=28was:_=3FColin_Dexter_pseudonym=29?= On 1 May 2001, at 17:48, James Lynch wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> ... (Catheri= ne Deneuve was born Catherine Dorl=E9ac, who knew?) ...=0D=0A=0D=0AMo= i! Parceque j'aimais sa soeur. Real sister Fran=E7oise Dorl=E9ac= =0D=0Aplayed Catherine's stage sister in Les Demoiselles de Rochefort= =0D=0Ashortly before her death in a car accident in 1967 (and a handf= ul of=0D=0Aother fun movies).=0D=0A=0D=0AT(oujours) F(ran=E7oise) Mil= ls=0D=0Atfmills@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado, USA)=0D=0AStumpers-= L Unofficial Pages:=0D=0Ahttp://wombats.areawesome.net=0D=0A=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:17:18 -0500 From: Dennis Lien <Dennis.K.Lien-1@tc.umn.edu> To: James Lynch <JLynch@bccc.state.md.us>, Subj: RE: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym At 05:48 PM 5/1/01 -0400, James Lynch wrote: >Hello, > >You mean a pseudonym that Dexter has used? Because his name is Norman Colin >Dexter, the son of Alfred and Dorothy Dexter (Contemporary Authors, 65-68). >Gale's online literary index (http://www.galenet.com/servlet/LitIndex) lists >N. C. Dexter as the only "variant" name. > >The "MacGuffin Guide to Detective Fiction" (http://www.macguffin.net/) lists >Colin Dexter under pseudonyms for Norman Colin Dexter. > >Bookbrowser's (http://www.bookbrowser.com/) list of author pseudonyms >doesn't list Dexter at all. > >Nom de Guerre (http://www.walshnet.com/walshnet/realname/index.html), a >listing of names used by various people, not just authors (Catherine Deneuve >was born Catherine Dorleac, who knew?) doesn't list Colin Dexter. > >Are you sure he's used one? > >Jim Lynch >jlynch@bccc.state.md.us >STUMPERS-L unsubscribe address is: mailserv@cuis.edu >unsubscribe message is: unsubscribe STUMPERS-L > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Hartung, Steven [mailto:shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org] >Sent: Tuesday, 01 May, 2001 16:24 >To: Stumpers--POSTING Q & A's (E-mail) >Subject: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym > > >Would anyone know this? Thanks! >(Patron thinks last name begins with "P") > > >Steve Hartung, Pamunkey Regional Library HAWK'S AUTHORS' PSEUDONYMS also lists no Colin Dexter pseuds, and 3rd ed. of TWENTIETH CENTURY CRIME AND MYSTERY WRITERS (admittedly ten years old) notes that he had published nonfiction as N.C. Dexter (LIBERAL STUDIES: AN OUTLINE COURSE 1-2 with E.G. Rayner; Oxford and New York: 1984; and GUIDE TO CONTEMPORARY POLITICS, with E.G. Rayner, Oxford:1966) but has no hint of a "real" pseud. Nor do I recall any mention of such in interviews etc. with him that I've read, nor does the LC Copyright File have any pseud cross-references for him. Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu "The Librarian knuckled swifly through the outer regions of the University's library, although terms like 'outer' were hardly relevant in a library so deeply immersed in L-space. It is known that knowledge is power, and power is energy, and energy is matter, and therefor large accumulations of knowledge distort time and space. This is why all bookshops look alike, and why all second-hand bookshops seem so much bigger on the inside--and why all libraries, everywhere, are connected. Only the innermost circle of librarians know this, and take care to guard the secret. Civilization would not survive for long if it was generally known that a wrong turn in the stacks would lead into the Library of Alexandria just as the invaders were looking for the matches, or that a tiny patch of floor in the reference section is shared with the library in Braseneck College where Dr. Whitbury proved that gods cannot possibly exist, just before that rather unfortunate thunderstorm." -- THE SCIENCE OF DISCWORLD, chapter 25, by Terry Pratchett, Ian Stewart, and Jack Cohen (London: 1999) ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:19:48 -0400 From: James Lynch <JLynch@bccc.state.md.us> To: "'timothypwee@nlb.gov.sg'" <timothypwee@nlb.gov.sg>, STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: RE: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym Our local public library has versions read by Edward Woodward, Patrick Tull, and Kevin "Sgt. Lewis" Whately. Nice piece of thinking, Timothy. Jim Lynch jlynch@bccc.state.md.us STUMPERS-L unsubscribe address is: mailserv@cuis.edu unsubscribe message is: unsubscribe STUMPERS-L -----Original Message----- From: timothypwee@nlb.gov.sg [mailto:timothypwee@nlb.gov.sg] Sent: Tuesday, 01 May, 2001 18:05 To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subject: RE: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym Could it be the client is thinking of Michael Pennington who is the narrator for several of Dexter's audio books? Timothy ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:37:39 -0400 From: "Hartung, Steven" <shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org> To: "Stumpers--POSTING Q & A's (E-mail)" <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Subj: *Colin Dexter pseudonym Thank you, Timothy in Singapore. Michael Pennington was indeed who the (confused) patron wanted! Steven Hartung Pamunkey Regional Library Hanover, Virginia shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:50:10 -0400 From: "John W. Bush" <jwb@alumni.stanford.org> To: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com>, cci <cci@nlci.com> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: Under funded libraries It is also contrary to the beliefs of a good many Americans, including this one. We have a collective phobia here about centralized government, which went on extended holiday in 1933 but has been back in full force since 1980. It goes far to explain the insufferable mess we call a health insurance system. ------------ Things work differently in different countries. We didn't have Foundations such as you speak of in the UK and I haven't met one in Ontario. Our public libraries are paid for out of the rates and in the UK a conscious effort was and, I hope, still is made to ensure that poor areas get as good libraries as rich areas. The aims of the Toronto Public Library service are, I believe, similar. For quality of service to depend on how rich the locals are is contrary to the way that I was brought up in the UK and. It is I believe contrary to the beliefs of most Canadians. David David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:17:16 -0400 From: Don Saklad <dsaklad@gnu.org> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu, dsaklad@gnu.org Subj: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome. With respect to acquired immune deficiency syndrome, what is the rate of new infections?... ...not the death rate The data via http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1201/table3.htm and others of those links did not make entirely clear what is the rate of new infections. oo__ dWs http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:50:10 -0400 From: "John W. Bush" <jwb@alumni.stanford.org> To: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com>, cci <cci@nlci.com> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: Under funded libraries It is also contrary to the beliefs of a good many Americans, including this one. We have a collective phobia here about centralized government, which went on extended holiday in 1933 but has been back in full force since 1980. It goes far to explain the insufferable mess we call a health insurance system. ------------ Things work differently in different countries. We didn't have Foundations such as you speak of in the UK and I haven't met one in Ontario. Our public libraries are paid for out of the rates and in the UK a conscious effort was and, I hope, still is made to ensure that poor areas get as good libraries as rich areas. The aims of the Toronto Public Library service are, I believe, similar. For quality of service to depend on how rich the locals are is contrary to the way that I was brought up in the UK and. It is I believe contrary to the beliefs of most Canadians. David David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:44:45 -0400 From: Louise Sullivan <lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org> To: Don Saklad <dsaklad@gnu.org> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome. Don, Try the website for CDC's National Prevention Network, a source for resources on the prevention of HIV, STDs, and Tuberculosis. The url is: http://www.cdcnpin.org/ Louise Sullivan Reference Librarian Spokane Public Library At 07:17 PM 5/1/01 -0400, you wrote: >With respect to acquired immune deficiency syndrome, >what is the rate of new infections?... > >...not the death rate > > >The data via >http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1201/table3.htm > >and others of those links did not make entirely clear >what is the rate of new infections. > > > > >oo__ dWs > >http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com > Louise Sullivan Reference Librarian Spokane Public Library Ph: 509-444-5336 Fax: 509-444-5364 lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 21:03:47 -0400 From: Don Saklad <dsaklad@gnu.org> To: lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org, dsaklad@gnu.org Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu, dsaklad@gnu.org Subj: Re: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome. Thank you Louise Sullivan! The question is not answered at that link either! ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:44:21 -0700 From: Louise Sullivan <lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org> To: Don Saklad <dsaklad@gnu.org> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome. Don, Our local regional health department collects these statistics. They then submit them to the state department of health. I believe that the state submits them to the CDC. The toll free telephone number for the CDC National Prevention Information Network is: 1-800-458-5231 Louise Sullivan Reference Librarian Spokane Public Library At 07:17 PM 5/1/01 -0400, you wrote: >With respect to acquired immune deficiency syndrome, >what is the rate of new infections?... > >...not the death rate > > >The data via >http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1201/table3.htm > >and others of those links did not make entirely clear >what is the rate of new infections. > > > > >oo__ dWs > >http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com > Louise Sullivan Reference Librarian Spokane Public Library Ph: 509-444-5336 Fax: 509-444-5364 lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 01:07:45 -0400 From: Don Saklad <dsaklad@gnu.org> To: lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org, dsaklad@gnu.org Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu, dsaklad@gnu.org Subj: Re: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome. Thanks Louise Sullivan! In trying them and others like Center for Population and Development Studies http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hcpds/ http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/cbar/ http://www.aids.harvard.edu/ that have not had a clear answer either for the question, What is the rate of new infections?... another possibility now is the list server forum stumpers-l It's really a stumper! Kind regards, oo__ dWs http://notb4weknow.editthispage.com ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 02:17:15 -0400 From: "Dennis J. Cunniff" <dcunniff@bellatlantic.net> To: Don Saklad <dsaklad@gnu.org>, stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome. The number of newly infected persons is the 'incidence' rate. The number of currently infected persons is the 'prevalence' rate. To obtain the incidence rate, you need to find the the difference between the prevalence in a single population at two separate times and divide by the unit of time you want the incidence in. Corrections have to be made if there are deaths of seropositive or seronegative individuals in the time period measured. New cases of HIV positivity are reported only in about half of the 50 United States, and these states are not representative. So all estimates of HIV incidence are back-calculated from the number of AIDS cases, which are reportable in all 50 states, or from seroconversion studies done on other defined populations. For a discussion of the way this is done, and references, see: <http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite.jsp?page=kb-01-03#S2X> The bottom line for the United States is that there is a near steady state, with deaths from AIDS roughly equal to new infections. The death rate is about 40,000--50,000 Americans/year, and there are also about 40,000-50,000 new infections in that year and the seroprevalence (600,000--800,000) remains unchanged. Dennis J. Cunniff. ============== > Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:17:16 -0400 > From: Don Saklad > To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu, dsaklad@gnu.org > Subj: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome. > > With respect to acquired immune deficiency syndrome, > what is the rate of new infections?... > > ...not the death rate > ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 02:34:36 -0400 From: Don Saklad <dsaklad@gnu.org> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu, Dennis J Cunniff <dcunniff@bellatlantic.net>, Cc: dsaklad@gnu.org Subj: Re: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome. Thank you Dennis J. Cunniff ! It's enlightening reading this information that helps make more clear the question, What is the rate of new infections?... while not completely clear yet 1. What is the rate of new infections?... 2. Is the rate of new infections decreasing, plateaued or increasing?... Kind regards, oo__ dWs http://notb4weknow.editthispage.com ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:27:06 +0200 From: md2@freenet.de To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: ? German-American journal ""Der Auswanderer"" Hello! (Sorry for this second, and last, posting of the question.) Here's a difficult one: I'm looking for a German-American periodical from the 19th century called "Der Auswanderer". Here's the info. on it: Title: Der Auswanderer/The Emigrant [double-title] Frequency: 2x per month (1886-1891), 1x per month (1891-1910) Place of publication: New York/Chicago Editor: D. Schnitzer (Office: 38 Broadway, Room 11) Cost: 1 Dollar / 5 Mark Additional offices in: Hamburg, Bremen, Rotterdam I've had no success with *any* of my searches, whether electronic (WorldCat FirstSearch, various individual lib. catalogs) or non-electronic (Nat. Union Cat. of pre-1956 holdings, Nat. Union Serials, NYPL black books, major German libraries, etc). Any ideas would be *greatly* appreciated! (Part of the difficulty searching for this title electronically is that the term "Auswanderer" appears everywhere, and I'm not so convinced that the sub-title "The Emigrant" was ever used!) The ciculcation numbers for this journal are relatively high, so it seems unlikely that the one known copy of one issue (at the Schuecking-Museum in Sögel, Germany, and also at the Pressemuseum in Aachen, Germany) is the only one left. It's much more likely, I think, that it just never made its way into the electronic catalogs... I'm a subscriber to the list, but, if possible, please also send positive responses directly to "md2@freenet.de". THANK YOU! Matthew Gaskins ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:46:09 +0900 From: John Garside <garside@fra.allnet.ne.jp> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Myth of Japanese Uniqueness --Boundary_(ID_OT16Jmpl/xBuF6evu/92OQ) Content-type: text/plain Hi, I'm looking for a copy of this out of print book -- Peter N. DALE, The Myth of Japanese Uniqueness, 1986. Cheers --Boundary_(ID_OT16Jmpl/xBuF6evu/92OQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: BASE64 PGh0bWw+DQpIaSw8YnI+DQo8YnI+DQpJJ20gbG9va2luZyBmb3IgYSBjb3B5IG9m IHRoaXMgb3V0IG9mIHByaW50IGJvb2sgLS08YnI+DQo8YnI+DQo8YnI+DQpQZXRl ciBOLiBEQUxFLCBUaGUgPGI+TXl0aCBvZiBKYXBhbmVzZSBVbmlxdWVuZXNzPC9i PiwgMTk4Ni4gPGJyPg0KPGJyPg0KPGJyPg0KPGJyPg0KQ2hlZXJzPGJyPg0KPC9o dG1sPg0K --Boundary_(ID_OT16Jmpl/xBuF6evu/92OQ)-- ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:09:08 -0400 From: James Lynch <JLynch@bccc.state.md.us> To: 'Stumpers' <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Subj: Latin phrases (from an old surveying book) Hello,=0D=0A=0D=0A=09A friend of mine mentioned a bit of trouble with= some Latin phrases,=0D=0Aand I said I'd forward them on to the long-= headed Latinophones at Stumpers=0D=0A(well, I didn't say "long-headed= Latinophones," but you get the idea). His=0D=0Amessage follows.=0D= =0A=0D=0ADate: Tuesday, 01 May, 2001 17:09=0D=0ASubject: Latin phrase= s=0D=0A=0D=0A>Hail Jim,=0D=0A>=0D=0A>As I mentioned, I have a photoco= py of an old surveying book=0D=0A>from 1725. It has several Latin in= phrases in it that I would like to=0D=0A>get a translation for. Any= help would be appre ciated. The phrases (and=0D=0A>their contexts) are:=0D=0A>=0D=0A>[1]= : On the title page as what looks like a slogan near the bottom:=0D= =0A>=0D=0A>Socrates, hunc finem Geometrie Principalem esse statuebat;= Ut agrum=0D=0A>planum metire dividereq; possit. - Pitiscus Geod.= =0D=0A>=0D=0A>Pitiscus is assumably Bartholomo Pitiscus, author of ma= thematical books=0D=0A>in the 1600s, including one which introduced t= he work Trigonometry.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>[2]: In the Preface:=0D=0A>=0D= =0A>Ornari res ipsa negat content a doceri.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>From this pa= ragraph:=0D=0A> But I shall forb ear any Panegyrical Expressions in Praise of the Art=0D=0A>itself, (t= ho' much might be said on that Head), on Account of its=0D=0A>Antiqui= ty, Salubrity, Pleasantness, and above all, its Usefulness,=0D=0A>Orn= ari res ipsa negat content a doceri.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>[3]: Also in the Pr= eface:=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Rumpatur quisquis rumpitur invidi=E2.=0D=0A>=0D= =0A>From this paragraph:=0D=0A> As for the Book itself, tho' perhaps= some ill-natur'd Artists may be=0D=0A>offended therewith, because se= veral Things herein are discovered (which=0D=0A>they would have been = as well plea sed should have been concealed) like=0D=0A>Flowers gathered and place= d in one Garland, and prostituted to every=0D=0A>one's View; yet if i= t proves in any way useful to those for whom it was=0D=0A>designed, I= have my End in Publishing it. Rumpatur quisquis rumpitur=0D=0A>invi= di=E2.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>[4]: In a section on surveying Commons:=0D=0A>= =0D=0A>mutatis mutandis=0D=0A>=0D=0A>From this paragraph:=0D=0A> So = if a Piece of Common was to be enclosed, and divided amongst=0D=0A>se= veral Tenants, according to the Number of Beast-Gates which each=0D= =0A>Ten-ant hath in the Common, it is to be performed (mutatis mutandis) by=0D=0A>the sa= me Rule.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>I feel the intent of these is often obvious, bu= t I'd rather get a decent=0D=0A>translation. I looked in a Latin dic= tionary and a Latin grammar, but I=0D=0A>just don't know enough.=0D= =0A>=0D=0A>Thanks very much.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>YITB,=0D=0A>David=0D=0A>= =0D=0A>--=0D=0A>David Manthey=0D=0A>manthey@orbitals.com=0D=0A>Author= of Carte Primus Cribbage http://www.orbitals.com/cp=0D=0A>Author of= Graphic Viewer http://www.orbitals.com/gv=0D=0A>Author of Or= bital Viewer http://www.o rbitals.com/orb=0D=0A>=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:40:39 -0400 From: Michael VanHouten <Mvanhouten@albion.edu> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Indexing question Hello everyone -=0D=0A=0D=0AA patron is looking for some simple-to-us= e indexing software for someone who is working on a book and needs to= develop an index.=0D=0A=0D=0ACan anyone suggest any programs that ar= e relatively low in cost and easy to use (if there is such a thing)?= =0D=0A=0D=0AThanks!=0D=0A=0D=0AMike=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AMichael Van Hout= en=0D=0AAssistant Director of Libraries and Head=0D=0A of Public = Services=0D=0AStockwell-Mudd Libraries=0D=0AAlbion College=0D=0A602 E= . Cass St.=0D=0AAlbion, MI 49224=0D=0A517-629-0382=0D=0Amvanhouten@al= bion.edu=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 07:55:45 -0500 From: Lambrini Papangelis <Lambrini.Papangelis@wku.edu> To: Michael VanHouten <Mvanhouten@albion.edu> Cc: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: Indexing question Yes, Michael, and I believe the name of the software is "ProCite." Lambrini Michael VanHouten wrote: > Hello everyone - > > A patron is looking for some simple-to-use indexing software for someone who is working on a book and needs to develop an index. > > Can anyone suggest any programs that are relatively low in cost and easy to use (if there is such a thing)? > > Thanks! > > Mike > > Michael Van Houten > Assistant Director of Libraries and Head > of Public Services > Stockwell-Mudd Libraries > Albion College > 602 E. Cass St. > Albion, MI 49224 > 517-629-0382 > mvanhouten@albion.edu ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:06:59 -0400 From: Dan Robinson <drobinson@hwwexch.hwwilson.com> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Cc: mvanhouten@albion.edu Subj: RE: Indexing question Procite is designed for constructing bibliographies not indexes. It c= an=0D=0Agenerate lists, but none of the examples show a real index.= =0D=0A=0D=0ADan Robinson=0D=0Adrobinson@hwwilson.com=0D=0A=0D=0A> ---= --Original Message-----=0D=0A> From: Lambrini Papangelis [mailto:Lamb= rini.Papangelis@wku.edu]=0D=0A> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:56 AM= =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> Yes, Michael, and I believe the name of the s= oftware is "ProCite."=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Lambrini=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Michael = VanHouten wrote:=0D=0A> =0D=0A> > Hello everyone -=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> > = A patron is looking for some simple-to -use indexing =0D=0A> software for someone who is working on a book a= nd needs to =0D=0A> develop an index.=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> > Can anyone su= ggest any programs that are relatively low in =0D=0A> cost and easy t= o use (if there is such a thing)?=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> > Thanks!=0D=0A> >= =0D=0A> > Mike=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> > Michael Van Houten=0D=0A> > Assistan= t Director of Libraries and Head=0D=0A> > of Public Services= =0D=0A> > Stockwell-Mudd Libraries=0D=0A> > Albion College=0D=0A> > 6= 02 E. Cass St.=0D=0A> > Albion, MI 49224=0D=0A> > 517-629-0382=0D= =0A> > mvanhouten@albion.edu=0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:06:22 -0400 (EDT) From: wmcree@InfoAve.Net To: Cc: 'stumpers-lcrfcuisedu' <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Quotes Hi, all, I have a patron looking for the source(s) of the following two quotes: "Power is a gift of fools to cowards." "A man may be known better by his enemies than his friends." Any help you may give will be greatly appreciated. Bill McRee Greenville County Library System Greenville, SC ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:10:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Eva Greenberg <evagreenberg@usa.net> To: STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu Subj: *THANKS Death during Surgery My thanks go to David Ibbetson, Allen Amet, and John Riffe for their = answers=0D=0Ato my question as to who is responsible for the operatin= g costs if the patient=0D=0Adies during surgery. =0D=0A=0D=0A John--I= took you up on your suggestion and called the local hospital about= =0D=0Athis. A person from the billing department told me very indign= antly that=0D=0A"just because a person dies doesn't mean the hospital= shouldn't get paid!" The=0D=0Abill would be sent to the patient's in= surance co., through Medicaid, or the=0D=0Aestate, or to whatev er company is handling the paperwork. I wasn't=0D=0Aconfrontational= when I asked my question but her answer was full of=0D=0Aresentment.= Eva=0D=0A=0D=0AEva M. Greenberg=0D=0AOberlin Public Library=0D=0AOb= erlin, OH 44074=0D=0ATel: 440-775-4790=0D=0AFax: 440-774-2880=0D=0A= =0D=0A_______________________________________________________________= _____=0D=0AGet free email and a permanent address at http://www.netad= dress.com/?N=3D1=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:36:47 -0400 From: "J. Shore" <shorej@thpl.org> To: Dan Robinson <drobinson@hwwexch.hwwilson.com> Cc: stumpers-l@cuis.edu, mvanhouten@albion.edu Subj: Re: Indexing question Michael VanHouten wrote: > A patron is looking for some simple-to-use indexing > software for someone who is working on a book and needs to > develop an index. > First off, I can tell you from experience that this is not the sort of thing left to amateurs. I took a course on Indexing and Abstracting for my MLS which included practical examples such as indexing a chapter from a book. It is not an easy task (even for the person who wrote the book). That said, I'd advise the patron to check out the web site for the American Society of Indexers. (http://www.asindexing.org/) Under Resources, there is a link to Software tools. Some of these tools have free demo versions available for "experimenting" with. I tried at least two during my course. (Yes, it was allowed -- even encouraged.) I personally preferred just typing terms and pages into a Word table. While at the ASI site s/he can also find other suggestions about indexing, including answers to FAQ and lists of books for reference. J. -- Mr. J. Shore Serials Librarian / Cataloger Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library shorej@thpl.org ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:07:05 -0400 From: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com> To: dsaklad@gnu.org Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome. I haven't intervened previously, but in the 1660s it was noted that true death rates from venereal diseases (then syphilis) are unobtainable because death certificates aren't honestly completed. IIRC you will find a discussion in the Stumpers archives, which includes the following quotation: ----------------------------- Foreasmuch as by the ordinary discourse of the world it seems a great part of men have, at one time or other, had some species of this disease [Syphilis], I wondering why so few died of it, especially because I could not take that to be so harmless, whereof so many complained very fiercely; upon enquiry, I found that those who died of it out of the hospitals* (especially that of Kingsland, and the Lock in Southwark) were returned as ulcers and sores. And in brief, I found, that all mentioned to die of the French Pox were returned by the clerks of St Giles' and St Martin's in the Fields only, in which places I understood that most of the vilest and most miserable houses of uncleanness were: from whence I concluded, that only hated persons, and such, whose very noses were eaten off were reported by the searchers to have died of this too frequent malady -- _The economic Writings of Sir William Petty together with the Observations upon the Bills of Mortality more probably by Captain John Graunt_, Ed. Prof Hull, Cambridge, 1899 * Here "out of the hospitals" means "from the hospitals". David ib David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:17:08 -0400 From: Joan M O'Kane <joan_m_o'kane@fanniemae.com> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: REFQ: Jewish History A colleague is trying to verify a date in Jewish history. He found a web site http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/bhyom/may.htm that says that on May 14, 1637, the Jews of Venice were denied the right to practice law. He would like to verify this date and perhaps find out more about it. Does anyone know anything about this event or can you suggest a source where I might be able to find more information? I checked the Encyclopedia Judaica, but found nothing. The web site is based on the book Day by Day in Jewish History, but the book doesn't have any more detail than the web site. Please reply to me directly as I am not a Stumpers member (just a fan!). Many Thanks! Joan O'Kane Senior Information Specialist Fannie Mae Research & Information Center 3900 Wisconsin Ave., NW Washington, DC 20016-2892 202-752-7493 phone 202-752-6134 fax joan_m_o'kane@fanniemae.com ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:49:19 -0500 From: Sam Shipley <iyam@trails.net> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related? Have a patron who would like to know if the French verbs "gesir" (with an accent aigu over the "e") and "giter" (with an accent circonflex over the "i") are related in their derivations, not just in their meanings. Thanks for any help. ////////////////////////// Sam Shipley Reference Dodge City Public Library 1001 Second Avenue Dodge City, KS 67801 phone: 1-800-657-2533 fax: 316-225-0252 e-mail: iyam@trails.net ////////////////////////// ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:42:33 -0700 From: Louise Sullivan <lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org> To: Joan M O'Kane <joan_m_o'kane@fanniemae.com> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: REFQ: Jewish History Joan, You might want to check the book The Course in Modern Jewish History by Howard Sachar. It's been a long time since I read it and my library doesn't own it so I can't confirm that it will have this information. In fact, Sachar is a professor of history at George Washington University (my alma mater!). I checked GW's website, his phone number is 202-994-6428. His email address is sachar@gwu.edu. If that doesn't work, you might want to contact the Judaic Studies department at GW at 202-994-2190. The Gelman Library at GW has an extensive Judaic collection. The phone number for the library is 202-994-6455. I hope this helps. Louise Sullivan Reference Librarian Spokane Public Library At 11:17 AM 5/2/01 -0400, you wrote: >A colleague is trying to verify a date in Jewish history. He found a >web site >http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/bhyom/may.htm that says that on May 14, >1637, the Jews of Venice were denied the right to practice law. He >would like to >verify this date and perhaps find out more about it. > >Does anyone know anything about this event or can you suggest a source >where I might be able to find more information? I checked the >Encyclopedia Judaica, but found nothing. The web site is based on the >book Day by Day in Jewish History, but the book doesn't have any more >detail than the web site. > >Please reply to me directly as I am not a Stumpers member (just a fan!). > >Many Thanks! > >Joan O'Kane >Senior Information Specialist >Fannie Mae >Research & Information Center >3900 Wisconsin Ave., NW >Washington, DC 20016-2892 >202-752-7493 phone >202-752-6134 fax >joan_m_o'kane@fanniemae.com > > > > > > Louise Sullivan Reference Librarian Spokane Public Library Ph: 509-444-5336 Fax: 509-444-5364 lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:00:40 -0400 From: Lesley Lawrence <Lesley.Lawrence@dol.net> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Overheard at Borders Hi all-- This is slightly off-topic, but I thought librarians would appreciate it. I went out to Borders Books after work yesterday. There was a little boy, approx. 4-5 yrs., there with his father. I overheard him say, "This is a library store, isn't it, Daddy?" Now that's a kid who's been raised right! Lesley Lawrence U.S. Courts Library Wilmington, DE ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:17:44 -0500 From: Lambrini Papangelis <Lambrini.Papangelis@wku.edu> To: Sam Shipley <iyam@trails.net> Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related? Dear Sam, Your question is very hard! I'll work on it after lunch. Lambrini First-prize winner, National French Contest (1978) Sam Shipley wrote: > Have a patron who would like to know if the French verbs "gesir" (with an > accent aigu over the "e") > and "giter" (with an accent circonflex over the "i") are related in their > derivations, not just in their meanings. > > Thanks for any help. > > ////////////////////////// > Sam Shipley > Reference > Dodge City Public Library > 1001 Second Avenue > Dodge City, KS 67801 > phone: 1-800-657-2533 > fax: 316-225-0252 > e-mail: iyam@trails.net > ////////////////////////// ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:30:24 +0100 From: janice.sim@newport.ac.uk To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: * Bogart """"even the dead can talk"""" Tom, Many thanks for this. Gosh! reply from the songwriters themselves - you have excellent contacts! There are now about 400 members of Pete's email discussion list Midnight Voices combing the TV schedules for The Enforcer/ Murder, Inc. all ready to check it out! Janice Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:40:03 -0400 From: thomas.d.fuller@us.andersen.com To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Cc: nigel.rees@btinternet.com Subj: % Bogart ""even the dead can talk"" Nigel Rees sent me the following message he got from Pete Atkin about this quotation: ************************* Pete's message: OK. Now I've asked Clive about Bogart and "even the dead can talk". He said it was from a 1960 movie called 'Murder, Incorporated' directed by the amazingly named Bretaigne Windust. Now that would be fine except that, according to Halliwell's Film Guide at any rate, Bogart wasn't in it. LH says it's a "tedious and poorly made gangster thriller [with] unforgivable faults considering the many admirable models it has to follow." It features Stuart Whitman, Mai Britt, Henry Morgan, and (probably crucially) Peter Falk (who was nominated for an Oscar for it). My guess is that faulty memory is at work, Clive would have seen it (I imagine) in Sydney and the song wasn't written for another ten years or so, and it's perhaps not too hard to imagine remembering Peter Falk as Humphrey B. There's another inconsistency: the movie wasn't directed by Mr Windust, at least not according to LH who credits Burt Balaban and Stuart Rosenberg (apparently his first film). Two directors is always a sign of something untoward, of course. Maybe BW really directed but his name was kept off (a blacklist connection maybe?). Then again, BW died in 1960, so maybe the others finished it. Or ... I'll pursue it further with Clive when I next get a chance to speak to him. It may be that he has the full explanation. **************************** Nigel then followed up with: Actually, Pete Atkin was in error. The Bogart film in question is The Enforcer (directed by Bretaigne Windust) in 1951, which for some reason was known in the UK (and probably in Clive James's Australia) as Murder, Inc. It's supposed to be very good. Now all we need is someone to check it out! ***************************** Anybody feel like watching a gangster movie tonight? -- Tom, who doesn't Janice Sim Head of Technical Services Library and Learning Resources University of Wales College, Newport Allt-Yr-Yn Campus Newport, South Wales. NP20 5XR Tel: 01633 432323 Fax: 01633 432343 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:37:00 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: Sam Shipley <iyam@trails.net> Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related? =0D=0A=0D=0AOn Wed, 2 May 2001, Sam Shipley wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> Have = a patron who would like to know if the French verbs "gesir" (with an = =0D=0A> accent aigu over the "e")=0D=0A> and "giter" (with an accent = circonflex over the "i") are related in their =0D=0A> derivations, no= t just in their meanings.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0ASam,=0D=0A=0D=0A"G=E9sir" = comes from Latin "jacere" (to lie) and entered French in the 10th= =0D=0Acentury as both a funeral and a military term. "G=EEte" was a n= oun derived=0D=0Afrom "g=E9sir" and introduced toward the end of the = 12th century with the=0D=0Aori ginal sense of "resting place." It later took on other meanings=0D= =0Arelating to game (to describe their forms and lairs, for example),= to ore=0D=0Adeposits and to the the starboard or port list of naval = craft. About the=0D=0A13th century, a back-formation from the noun le= d to the creation of=0D=0A"g=EEter" with the sense of "to reside/lodg= e" or transitively "to house or=0D=0Ashelter," "to couch" (as of anim= als) or "to perch" (birds), and in=0D=0Amaritime jargon "to list."= =0D=0A=0D=0AStandard and previously mentioned etymological dictionari es apply.=0D=0A=0D=0ACi-g=EEt=0D=0A=0D=0AJohn Dyson=0D=0ASpanish and = Portuguese=0D=0AIndiana University=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:49:01 -0600 From: "T.F. Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related? On 2 May 2001, at 12:37, John P. Dyson wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> "G=E9sir" = comes from Latin "jacere" (to lie) and entered French in the 10th= =0D=0A> century as both a funeral and a military term. "G=EEte" was a= noun derived=0D=0A> from "g=E9sir" ...=0D=0A> Standard and previousl= y mentioned etymological dictionaries apply.=0D=0A=0D=0AOr, as Andr= =E9 G=EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A=0D=0AT(ilting) F(oolishly) a= t (wind)Mills, as listing badly with port=0D=0Atfmills@regiments.org = (Denver, Colorado, USA)=0D=0AStumpers-L Unofficial Pages:=0D=0Ahttp:= //wombats.areawesome.net =0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:00:28 -0700 From: BLIC <bginfo@rain.org> To: stumpers <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: ""Sundown laws"" in California Patron heard during a sermon in church that his town, Fillmore, California, had a law (written or unwritten) in the 1930s that blacks/African Americans could not remain in town over night. He wants to follow up on this assertion to see whether, in fact, there was such a law in Fillmore, or in Ventura County, where it is located. I believe such laws were known as "sundown laws." I find some web references to them in Oregon, and I've heard of them elsewhere, too. (I watched To Kill a Mockingbird a couple of months ago, perhaps this is where I recently heard reference to them? By the way, that movie is gorgeous--a striking contrast to the short-attention-span style of modern movies, it really conveys the feel of back when time was slower.) I've looked in several encyclopedias of African-American history, Encyc Brit, World Book Encyc, a few books of the history of blacks in California, WorldCat. I may contact the NAACP. Any ideas of other sources I might consult? TIA, -- Chris Gallery Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 22:15:33 -0800 From: Louise Sullivan <lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?Words and Music for Three Songs Needed We have a customer who needs the words and music to the following: 1) Until (words and music by Jack Fulton and Bob Crosby, 1948. Recorded by Tommy Dorsey; vocal by Harry Prine). 2) Until (words by Edward Teschemescher, music by Wilfred Sanderson, 1918). 3) Au Revoir, but Not Goodbye, Soldier Boy (words by Lew Brown, music by Albert von Tilger, 1917). We have searched numerous song indices both in paper and on the Internet. We have found sites on the Internet that list the sheet music for songs #1 and #3 for sale but not the words or music. If anyone who has the words and music in their collection would be willing to fax it to us, we would be grateful. If that's not possible, if anyone is aware of a title that might include these songs, that also would be helpful. Thanks for the assistance. Louise Sullivan Reference Librarian Spokane Public Library Ph: 509-444-5336 Fax: 509-444-5364 lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:37:31 -0500 From: Sam Shipley <iyam@trails.net> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Thanks! ""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" Thanks to John Dyson for the answer to the question about the etymology of the French verbs "gesir" and "giter." And thank you, T.F. Mills, for the funny addition to the discussion. Also a thanks to any who might yet offer a response to this question. Sam Shipley Dodge City Public Library ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:35:56 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: Joan M O'Kane <joan_m_o'kane@fanniemae.com> Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: REFQ: Jewish History On Wed, 2 May 2001, Joan M O'Kane wrote: > A colleague is trying to verify a date in Jewish history. He found a > web site > http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/bhyom/may.htm that says that on May 14, > 1637, the Jews of Venice were denied the right to practice law. He > would like to > verify this date and perhaps find out more about it. > > Does anyone know anything about this event or can you suggest a source > where I might be able to find more information? I checked the > Encyclopedia Judaica, but found nothing. The web site is based on the > book Day by Day in Jewish History, but the book doesn't have any more > detail than the web site. I'd take a look a Cecil Roth's VENICE (1930) to confirm that. I seem to recall that in the period you cite there were both rabbinical courts and Christian courts in Venice, but I don't recall how jurisdictions were determined. John Dyson Spanish and Portuguese Indiana University ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:56:03 -0400 From: James Lynch <JLynch@bccc.state.md.us> To: 'Stumpers' <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Subj: Latin phrases - repeat of query, did I miss anything? E-mail has been out most of the day here. Could anyone who responded = to my=0D=0Aearlier query resend the response (to me only, to spare th= e digesters).=0D=0AThanks, Jim.=0D=0A=0D=0AHello,=0D=0A=0D=0A=09A fri= end of mine mentioned a bit of trouble with some Latin phrases,=0D= =0Aand I said I'd forward them on to the long-headed Latinophones at = Stumpers=0D=0A(well, I didn't say "long-headed Latinophones," but you= get the idea). His=0D=0Amessage follows.=0D=0A=0D=0ADate: Tuesday, 0= 1 May, 2001 17:09=0D=0ASubject: Latin phrases=0D=0A=0D=0A>Hail Jim,= =0D=0A>=0D=0A>As I mentioned, I have a photocopy of an old surveying book=0D=0A>from 1725. It has s= everal Latin in phrases in it that I would like to=0D=0A>get a transl= ation for. Any help would be appreciated. The phrases (and=0D=0A>th= eir contexts) are:=0D=0A>=0D=0A>[1]: On the title page as what looks = like a slogan near the bottom:=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Socrates, hunc finem Geom= etrie Principalem esse statuebat; Ut agrum=0D=0A>planum metire divide= req; possit. - Pitiscus Geod.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Pitiscus is assumably Bar= tholomo Pitiscus, author of mathematical books=0D=0A>in the 1600s, in= clud ing one which introduced the work Trigonometry.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>[2]: In = the Preface:=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Ornari res ipsa negat content a doceri.= =0D=0A>=0D=0A>From this paragraph:=0D=0A> But I shall forbear any Pa= negyrical Expressions in Praise of the Art=0D=0A>itself, (tho' much m= ight be said on that Head), on Account of its=0D=0A>Antiquity, Salubr= ity, Pleasantness, and above all, its Usefulness,=0D=0A>Ornari res ip= sa negat content a doceri.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>[3]: Also in the Preface:= =0D=0A>=0D=0A>Rumpatur quisquis rumpitur invidi=E2.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>From= this paragraph:=0D=0A> As for the Bo ok itself, tho' perhaps some ill-natur'd Artists may be=0D=0A>offende= d therewith, because several Things herein are discovered (which=0D= =0A>they would have been as well pleased should have been concealed) = like=0D=0A>Flowers gathered and placed in one Garland, and prostitute= d to every=0D=0A>one's View; yet if it proves in any way useful to th= ose for whom it was=0D=0A>designed, I have my End in Publishing it. = Rumpatur quisquis rumpitur=0D=0A>invidi=E2.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>[4]: In a se= ction on surveying Commons:=0D=0A>=0D=0A>mutatis mutandis=0D=0A>=0D= =0A>From this=20 paragraph:=0D=0A> So if a Piece of Common was to be enclosed, and di= vided amongst=0D=0A>several Tenants, according to the Number of Beast= -Gates which each=0D=0A>Ten-ant hath in the Common, it is to be perfo= rmed (mutatis mutandis) by=0D=0A>the same Rule.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>I feel t= he intent of these is often obvious, but I'd rather get a decent=0D= =0A>translation. I looked in a Latin dictionary and a Latin grammar,= but I=0D=0A>just don't know enough.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Thanks very much.= =0D=0A>=0D=0A>YITB,=0D=0A>David=0D=0A>=0D=0A>--=0D=0A>David Manthey= =0D=0A>manthey@orbitals.com=0D=0A>Auth or of Carte Primus Cribbage http://www.orbitals.com/cp=0D=0A>Author = of Graphic Viewer http://www.orbitals.com/gv=0D=0A>Author of = Orbital Viewer http://www.orbitals.com/orb=0D=0A>=0D=0A=0D= =0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:48:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Haltjv@aol.com To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?does anyone know how to measure a saddle Does anyone know how to measure a saddle? Methods of measurement apparently are different for western and English saddles. T.J. ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:46:30 -0500 From: Daphne Drewello <drewello@daktel.com> To: James Lynch <JLynch@bccc.state.md.us>, 'Stumpers' <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: Latin phrases - repeat of query, did I miss anything? Jim Lynch wrote E-mail has been out most of the day here. Mine has too, so I apologize if this has been mentioned. > >[3]: Also in the Preface: > >Rumpatur quisquis rumpitur invidiâ. Whoever bursts from envy, let him burst. Daphne Drewello Alfred Dickey Library Jamestown, ND ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:39:18 -0500 From: Bruce Bumbalough <bbumbalough@grapevine.lib.tx.us> To: Stumpers <stumpers-L@cuis.edu> Subj: Military vital records Patron is a minister of church who is trying to help a parishioner obtain a copy of the death certificate for a member of the US military who died in Germany. He also needs to obtain a copy of the birth certificate of the son of the deceased person above. The son was born in Germany. What agency should he contact? I assume some thing in the Department of Defense or Department of State, but don't know where. I have looked at the U.S. Government Manual, International Vital Records Handbook and How to Locate Anyone Who Is or Has Been in the Military. -- Bruce L. Bumbalough Reference Librarian Grapevine Public Library 1201 Municipal Way Grapevine, TX 76051 Voice: (817) 410-3404 Fax: (817) 410-3080 E-mail: bbumbalough@grapevine.lib.tx.us The views are mine, not those of the City of Grapevine. ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:04:07 -0500 (CDT) From: C V <cvj@metronet.com> To: Louise Sullivan <lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?Words and Music for Three Songs Needed I have "Until the Real Thing Comes Along", but, there are no composers listed. First line is "I'd work for you, I'd beg for you", final title line "if that isn't love, it'll have to do, UNTIL THE REAL THING COMES ALONG". Connie On Wed, 2 May 2001, Louise Sullivan wrote: > We have a customer who needs the words and music to the following: > > 1) Until (words and music by Jack Fulton and Bob Crosby, 1948. Recorded by > Tommy Dorsey; vocal by Harry Prine). > > 2) Until (words by Edward Teschemescher, music by Wilfred Sanderson, 1918). > > 3) Au Revoir, but Not Goodbye, Soldier Boy (words by Lew Brown, music by > Albert von Tilger, 1917). > > We have searched numerous song indices both in paper and on the Internet. > We have found sites on the Internet that list the sheet music for songs #1 > and #3 for sale but not the words or music. If anyone who has the words > and music in their collection would be willing to fax it to us, we would be > grateful. If that's not possible, if anyone is aware of a title that might > include these songs, that also would be helpful. > > Thanks for the assistance. > Louise Sullivan > Reference Librarian > Spokane Public Library > Ph: 509-444-5336 > Fax: 509-444-5364 > lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org > ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:01:59 -0700 From: "DeFato, Joan" <joan.defato@arboretum.org> To: 'Louise Sullivan' <lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: RE: %Words and Music for Three Songs Needed I think the composer of #3 is Albert von Tilzer. Joan DeFato Plant Science Library The Arboretum of Los Angeles County 301 North Baldwin Avenue Arcadia, CA 91007-2697 Phone: (626) 821-3213 Fax: (626) 445-1217 -----Original Message----- From: Louise Sullivan [mailto:lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:16 PM To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: ?Words and Music for Three Songs Needed We have a customer who needs the words and music to the following: 1) Until (words and music by Jack Fulton and Bob Crosby, 1948. Recorded by Tommy Dorsey; vocal by Harry Prine). 2) Until (words by Edward Teschemescher, music by Wilfred Sanderson, 1918). 3) Au Revoir, but Not Goodbye, Soldier Boy (words by Lew Brown, music by Albert von Tilger, 1917). ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:06:45 -0700 From: "J. Mark Sugars" <jmsugars@pacbell.net> To: JLynch@bccc.state.md.us, manthey@orbitals.com Cc: STUMPERS-LIST <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Latin phrases (from an old surveying book) James Lynch wrote: > > Hello, > > A friend of mine mentioned a bit of trouble with some Latin phrases, > >Socrates, hunc finem Geometrie Principalem esse statuebat; Ut agrum > >planum metire dividereq; possit. - Pitiscus Geod. Socrates declared that this was the principal goal of Geometry: that one would be able to measure and divide a flat field. --- Pitiscus the Surveyor. > >Ornari res ipsa negat contenta doceri. The matter itself, content to be revealed, refuses to be adorned. (note correction of "content a" to "contenta") > >Rumpatur quisquis rumpitur > >invidiâ. May whoever bursts with envy, burst. > >(mutatis mutandis) After those things, that must be changed, have been changed, (in other words) after the appropriate changes have been made. J. Mark Sugars Irvine, California ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:24:55 -0400 From: C Tremblay <ct2277@hotmail.com> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: ? Phoebe Beebe children's poem or book A patron is looking for a childhood book or poem called "Phoebe B. Beebe and her New Canoe Canal in Saugatuc near Naugatuck Connecticut" I found on the web a "tongue pleaser" attributed to Steve Allen that goes "Phoebe P. Beebe's in Paducah's New Canoe Canal". Does anyone know if this is actually a book or poem? I can't find it on Bibliofind or Amazon. Our Children's Librarian is not familiar with it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Carolyn Tremblay Reference Dept Dover Public Library Dover NH _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:37:11 -0400 From: "J. Shore" <shorej@thpl.org> To: Bruce Bumbalough <bbumbalough@grapevine.lib.tx.us> Cc: Stumpers <stumpers-L@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: Military vital records Bruce Bumbalough wrote: > > Patron is a minister of church who is trying to help a parishioner obtain a copy > of the death certificate for a member of the US military who died in Germany. > He also needs to obtain a copy of the birth certificate of the son of the > deceased person above. The son was born in Germany. > > What agency should he contact? I assume some thing in the Department of Defense > or Department of State, but don't know where. Bruce, Due to reorganization of the records keeping functions, the records may be in any one of three places depending on how long ago the death was, etc... Have the parishioner call the VA (toll free) at 1-800-827-1000 to identify the current location of specific health records and to find out how to obtain releasable documents or information. J. -- Mr. J. Shore Serials Librarian / Cataloger Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library shorej@thpl.org ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:42:07 -0700 (PDT) From: John Riffe <alfredhitchcock@yahoo.com> To: Haltjv@aol.com, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ! Re: ?does anyone know how to measure a saddle --- Haltjv@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know how to measure a saddle? > Methods of measurement apparently are different for > western and English saddles. There are insturctions on how to measure both Western and English saddles at the following url: http://www.cooltack.com/toklat.htm I found this site searching Google. I hope this helps. John Riffe Parmly Billings Library 510 N. Broadway Billings MT 59101 ===== " Drama is life with the dull bits left out. " Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:59:56 -0600 (MDT) From: McCarty Jennifer <mccartj@spot.colorado.edu> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: ""Proactiv"" acne treatment and wombat sighting Hello womb@ts. I saw a television program about womb@ts the other day. I had no idea they were so big! They're wobbly like weebles (sp?), and pretty cute. But that's not the question here. I'm the patron, so no rush. I'm trying to find out more about the acne treatment "Proactiv." I've seen their web site. I'm hoping for information from objective sources. If anyone on the list knows someone who has used it, that would also be useful to me. I can't find any evidence of a study of its effectiveness, but if someone else comes up with one, great! Even a basic critique by someone who reviews skin care or something -- just someone who isn't hand-picked or paid by Proactiv. (smile) If I've overlooked something, I'm grateful for any pointers. If not, I'll feel confident that I've done an exhaustive search and I'll ask my doctor at my next check-up. Sources checked: Stumpers archives Medline Infotrac Health Reference Center A consumer index I don't remember the name of A medical products index I also don't remember the name of Health Abstracts Thanks. Jennifer ----------------------------- Jennifer E. McCarty Reference and Instruction Librarian University of Colorado at Boulder jennifer.mccarty@colorado.edu 303-492-8887 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:28:32 -0400 From: Louise Sullivan <lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?Science Fair Project-Bell Curve We have a customer who is certain that she checked out a book from our library a couple of years ago that had a science fair project that focused on the bell curve. The bell curve was the main emphasis of the project. In fact, her son presented this project. She'd like to find the experiment again for her daughter. She thinks that the book might have been by Janice VanCleave. We have checked the Janice VanCleave books that we own but do not find anything like that. We have looked through many other science fair project books as well. Other sources consulted include Science Fair roject Index- 1985-89; Experiment Central; More Science Experiments on File; and the Internet using google. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Louise Sullivan Reference Librarian Spokane Public Library Ph: 509-444-5336 Fax: 509-444-5364 lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:28:32 -0400 From: Louise Sullivan <lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?Science Fair Project-Bell Curve We have a customer who is certain that she checked out a book from our library a couple of years ago that had a science fair project that focused on the bell curve. The bell curve was the main emphasis of the project. In fact, her son presented this project. She'd like to find the experiment again for her daughter. She thinks that the book might have been by Janice VanCleave. We have checked the Janice VanCleave books that we own but do not find anything like that. We have looked through many other science fair project books as well. Other sources consulted include Science Fair roject Index- 1985-89; Experiment Central; More Science Experiments on File; and the Internet using google. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Louise Sullivan Reference Librarian Spokane Public Library Ph: 509-444-5336 Fax: 509-444-5364 lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:00:44 -0400 From: Louise Sullivan <lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org> To: McCarty Jennifer <mccartj@spot.colorado.edu> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ""Proactiv"" acne treatment Jennifer, I checked Proactiv's site to try to determine what the ingredients are. It seems that benzoyl peroxide and sulfur as well as their "special formulation." The American Academy of Dermatology has an acne webpage called Acnenet. This is what the site says about benzoyl peroxide: Benzoyl peroxide. Benzoyl peroxide works by destroying the bacteria associated with acne, P. acnes. It usually takes about 2 weeks to work and it must be used continuously to keep acne at bay until you outgrow getting acne. This is because it does not affect sebum production or the way the skin follicle cells are shed, and when you stop using it, the acne comes back. It is available in a wide range of vehicles: creams, lotions, gels. It often works quite well for milder cases of acne. The url for the website is: http://www.skincarephysicians.com/acnenet/treatmnt.html Louise Sullivan Reference Librarian Spokane Public Library At 02:59 PM 5/2/01 -0600, you wrote: >Hello womb@ts. > >I saw a television program about womb@ts the other day. I had no idea >they were so big! They're wobbly like weebles (sp?), and pretty cute. > >But that's not the question here. I'm the patron, so no rush. I'm trying >to find out more about the acne treatment "Proactiv." I've seen their web >site. I'm hoping for information from objective sources. If anyone on >the list knows someone who has used it, that would also be useful to me. >I can't find any evidence of a study of its effectiveness, but if someone >else comes up with one, great! Even a basic critique by someone who >reviews skin care or something -- just someone who isn't hand-picked or >paid by Proactiv. (smile) > >If I've overlooked something, I'm grateful for any pointers. If not, I'll >feel confident that I've done an exhaustive search and I'll ask my doctor >at my next check-up. > >Sources checked: > >Stumpers archives >Medline >Infotrac Health Reference Center >A consumer index I don't remember the name of >A medical products index I also don't remember the name of >Health Abstracts > >Thanks. > >Jennifer > >----------------------------- >Jennifer E. McCarty >Reference and Instruction Librarian >University of Colorado at Boulder >jennifer.mccarty@colorado.edu >303-492-8887 > > Louise Sullivan Reference Librarian Spokane Public Library Ph: 509-444-5336 Fax: 509-444-5364 lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:47:30 +0200 From: md2@freenet.de To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: ? last posting - looking for Kathinka Sutro-Schu:cking [Sorry everyone! - This is my very last re-posting of the question, as I finally figured out how to make this readable on the list. Typical newbie problem, I guess...] [*I've indicated umlauts with a colon, u:, o:, a:*] Hello! I'm *really* stumped on this one! (And it's also my last resort!) (I've subscribed to the stumper's list, but would appreciate it if a copy of positive answers could also be sent to me directly at "md2@freenet.de".) I'm a student in the master's degree program in the American Studies Department at Humboldt University in Berlin, Germany and for my master's thesis am working on the German-American woman writer Kathinka Sutro-Schu:cking (1834-1910). Though I was able to find a number of her works, I've had a great deal of trouble locating the following: 1) Sutro-Schu:cking, Kathinka. Doctor Zernowitz. Villa Montrose. Chicago: Laird & Lee, 1894. (two novellas published together in one book) 2) Sutro-Schu:cking, Kathinka. Eine lieblose Ehe und andere Erzählungen. Comp. and ed. Paul Sutro (n.p., n.d.) 3) Sutro-Schu:cking, Kathinka. Caroline Wassenburg. (probably published in installment in some German-American literary journal or newspaper?) Although I did find "Doctor Zernowitz" in the German-Americana collection at the University of Cincinnati, the curator there, Don Heinrich Tolzmann, has informed me that no photocopies or microfilm of works in the collection could be made due to the rarity of the materials. Unfortunately, my limited research funds won't allow me to fly to Cincinnati. The NYPL's copy of the book, though listed in their on-line catalog, was stolen a number of years ago (!), and the librarians at the College of Philadelphia Physicians, listed in the National Union Catalog of pre-1956 holdings as having "Doctor Zernowitz", were not able to locate the work in their holdings. - Does anyone know where I might be able to find any of these works? - I'm also interested in finding out about the existence and whereabouts of any other works (books, poems, articles, letters, etc.) by Sutro-Schu:cking. I've already located and have copies of the following, however, so no more information on these will be necessary: --In beiden Hemisphären --Die Erlebnisse einer Schutzlosen --Umsonst Variant spellings of her name in the catalogs are numerous: Sutro-Schucking, Sutro-Schuecking, Sutro, and even Schu:cking-Sutro, Schucking-Sutro, Schuecking-Sutro. In addition, it might be helpful to know that Kathinka was related to Adolph Sutro (German immigrant to the U.S. and former mayor of San Francisco), as she married his brother Emil Sutro. At various points in her life she lived in New York City, Hoboken, NJ, Baltimore, and Philadelphia. Some of her works may also have been published posthumously by her son, Paul Emil Sutro, and some of her earliest works (important: pre-1867 only!) may have been published under her husband's name. I think checking in individual card catalogs is the only remaining chance to find any of this. Considering that "Doctor Zernowitz" was published by Laird & Lee in Chicago, does anyone know of the existence of any Laird & Lee archives? I imagine that this might be one way of finding the book. It would be really fantastic if a copy of this (other than the one in the German-Americana collection at the University of Cincinnati) or any other works by this author could be found. Sutro-Schu:cking really is an undeservedly forgotten writer. Thank you for your assistance! If you are unable to help me, but know of someone who might and could forward this to them, I would be very grateful! Sincerely, Matthew Gaskins ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:47:30 +0200 From: md2@freenet.de To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: ? last posting - looking for Kathinka Sutro-Schu:cking [Sorry everyone! - This is my very last re-posting of the question, as I finally figured out how to make this readable on the list. Typical newbie problem, I guess...] [*I've indicated umlauts with a colon, u:, o:, a:*] Hello! I'm *really* stumped on this one! (And it's also my last resort!) (I've subscribed to the stumper's list, but would appreciate it if a copy of positive answers could also be sent to me directly at "md2@freenet.de".) I'm a student in the master's degree program in the American Studies Department at Humboldt University in Berlin, Germany and for my master's thesis am working on the German-American woman writer Kathinka Sutro-Schu:cking (1834-1910). Though I was able to find a number of her works, I've had a great deal of trouble locating the following: 1) Sutro-Schu:cking, Kathinka. Doctor Zernowitz. Villa Montrose. Chicago: Laird & Lee, 1894. (two novellas published together in one book) 2) Sutro-Schu:cking, Kathinka. Eine lieblose Ehe und andere Erzählungen. Comp. and ed. Paul Sutro (n.p., n.d.) 3) Sutro-Schu:cking, Kathinka. Caroline Wassenburg. (probably published in installment in some German-American literary journal or newspaper?) Although I did find "Doctor Zernowitz" in the German-Americana collection at the University of Cincinnati, the curator there, Don Heinrich Tolzmann, has informed me that no photocopies or microfilm of works in the collection could be made due to the rarity of the materials. Unfortunately, my limited research funds won't allow me to fly to Cincinnati. The NYPL's copy of the book, though listed in their on-line catalog, was stolen a number of years ago (!), and the librarians at the College of Philadelphia Physicians, listed in the National Union Catalog of pre-1956 holdings as having "Doctor Zernowitz", were not able to locate the work in their holdings. - Does anyone know where I might be able to find any of these works? - I'm also interested in finding out about the existence and whereabouts of any other works (books, poems, articles, letters, etc.) by Sutro-Schu:cking. I've already located and have copies of the following, however, so no more information on these will be necessary: --In beiden Hemisphären --Die Erlebnisse einer Schutzlosen --Umsonst Variant spellings of her name in the catalogs are numerous: Sutro-Schucking, Sutro-Schuecking, Sutro, and even Schu:cking-Sutro, Schucking-Sutro, Schuecking-Sutro. In addition, it might be helpful to know that Kathinka was related to Adolph Sutro (German immigrant to the U.S. and former mayor of San Francisco), as she married his brother Emil Sutro. At various points in her life she lived in New York City, Hoboken, NJ, Baltimore, and Philadelphia. Some of her works may also have been published posthumously by her son, Paul Emil Sutro, and some of her earliest works (important: pre-1867 only!) may have been published under her husband's name. I think checking in individual card catalogs is the only remaining chance to find any of this. Considering that "Doctor Zernowitz" was published by Laird & Lee in Chicago, does anyone know of the existence of any Laird & Lee archives? I imagine that this might be one way of finding the book. It would be really fantastic if a copy of this (other than the one in the German-Americana collection at the University of Cincinnati) or any other works by this author could be found. Sutro-Schu:cking really is an undeservedly forgotten writer. Thank you for your assistance! If you are unable to help me, but know of someone who might and could forward this to them, I would be very grateful! Sincerely, Matthew Gaskins ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:11:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Patricia A. Guy" <pag@serv.net> To: Stumpers <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: ? Poem: My journey begins Our patron's checking to see if this is a published poem, suspecting the claiment may be dabbling in plagiarism. Please go to NO trouble searching. Does anyone recognize it? My Journey Begins To touch the sky To break through the sky To sprinkle the ocean To swim in the sea To break the bonds of my earthly me. Thanks, all. On this one my journey's almost over. Pat Guy Guy-Wired for the System Reference Center ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:33:14 -0400 (EDT) From: LILongJr@aol.com To: bginfo@rain.org Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" in California --Boundary_(ID_pwNIpsqv/W6f9aBp/RTp4w) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:03:32 AM US Mountain Standard Time, bginfo@rain.org writes: > Patron heard during a sermon in church that his town, Fillmore, > California, had a law (written or unwritten) in the 1930s that > blacks/African Americans could not remain in town over night. He wants > to follow up on this assertion to see whether, in fact, there was such a > I've heard that from the Civil War up to the 1920s, these type of laws (which were not exclusively against blacks/African-Americans; they included Native Americans [Indians], Jews, "Wobblies" [members of the IWW, I believe], and just about anyone else who wasn't "from the right side of the tracks", as it were) were very common throughout the Midwest, West, and South of the U.S. I've not been able to find any sources, just anecdotes, usually in fictional writings. 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Acquired immune deficiency syndrome. --Boundary_(ID_fknr3oK4Ke5nfSflK+p6tA) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 5/2/2001 8:25:15 AM US Mountain Standard Time, ibbetson@idirect.com writes: > I haven't intervened previously, but in the 1660s it was noted that true > death rates from venereal diseases (then syphilis) are unobtainable because > Indeed. One only has to look at the deaths of Rock Hudson and Liberace to realize that there has been a great deal of covering up when it comes to HIV Disease (the new name, I guess). How many people have known someone to die of complications due to AIDS, but saw the obituary and/or death certificate listing other causes? Many family members are so afraid of being "marked" as a close relative of a homosexual that this type of lie is still being perpetrated 20 years into the epidemic. Source? 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Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related? On 2 May 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> Or, as Andr= =E9 G=EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A=0D=0AJust in case some gulli= ble soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean.=0D=0AIt's Andr= =E9 Gide, not G=EEte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war-= =0D=0Amongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now.=0D=0A= =0D=0AT.F. Mills=0D=0Awombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colora= do, USA)=0D=0AStumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net= =0D=0AThe Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!"=0D=0A=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:29:22 -0700 From: Shari Haber <shaber@mcls.org> To: C Tremblay <ct2277@hotmail.com>, STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Phoebe Beebe children's poem or book Actually, it's a short story. It even appeared in some school readers back in the forties and fifties, but it can be found in Frederick Chase Taylor's book "You Wouldn't Know Me From Adam". Taylor was known on radio as Captain Lemuel Stoopnagle. The story appears on pages 159-163 in the abovementioned book. If you want to send me your fax number, I'd be happy to fax it to you. Shari Haber shaber@mcls.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Tremblay" <ct2277@hotmail.com> To: <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: ? Phoebe Beebe children's poem or book > A patron is looking for a childhood book or poem called "Phoebe B. Beebe and > her New Canoe Canal in Saugatuc near Naugatuck Connecticut" I found on the > web a "tongue pleaser" attributed to Steve Allen that goes "Phoebe P. > Beebe's in Paducah's New Canoe Canal". > Does anyone know if this is actually a book or poem? I can't find it on > Bibliofind or Amazon. Our Children's Librarian is not familiar with it. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Carolyn Tremblay > Reference Dept > Dover Public Library > Dover NH > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:22:40 -0500 From: Lambrini Papangelis <Lambrini.Papangelis@wku.edu> To: tfmills@regiments.org Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related? When did André Gide say, "That is my jacket?" Lambrini "T.F. Mills" wrote: > On 2 May 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote: > > > Or, as André Gîte said, "Alea jacta est." > > Just in case some gullible soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean. > It's André Gide, not Gîte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war- > mongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now. > > T.F. Mills > wombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado, USA) > Stumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net > The Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!" ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:49:41 -0600 From: "T.F. Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related? On 2 May 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> Or, as Andr= =E9 G=EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A=0D=0AJust in case some gulli= ble soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean.=0D=0AIt's Andr= =E9 Gide, not G=EEte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war-= =0D=0Amongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now.=0D=0A= =0D=0AT.F. Mills=0D=0Awombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colora= do, USA)=0D=0AStumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net= =0D=0AThe Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!"=0D=0A=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:34:36 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: "T.F. Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related? =0D=0A=0D=0AOn Wed, 2 May 2001, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> On 2 M= ay 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A> =0D=0A> > Or, as Andr=E9 G= =EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Just in case some gullib= le soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean.=0D=0A> It's Andr= =E9 Gide, not G=EEte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war-= =0D=0A> mongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now.=0D=0A= =0D=0A=0D=0AG=EEte fire.=0D=0A=0D=0AJD=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:34:36 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: "T.F. Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related? =0D=0A=0D=0AOn Wed, 2 May 2001, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> On 2 M= ay 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A> =0D=0A> > Or, as Andr=E9 G= =EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Just in case some gullib= le soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean.=0D=0A> It's Andr= =E9 Gide, not G=EEte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war-= =0D=0A> mongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now.=0D=0A= =0D=0A=0D=0AG=EEte fire.=0D=0A=0D=0AJD=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:49:41 -0600 From: "T.F. Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related? On 2 May 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> Or, as Andr= =E9 G=EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A=0D=0AJust in case some gulli= ble soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean.=0D=0AIt's Andr= =E9 Gide, not G=EEte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war-= =0D=0Amongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now.=0D=0A= =0D=0AT.F. Mills=0D=0Awombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colora= do, USA)=0D=0AStumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net= =0D=0AThe Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!"=0D=0A=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:49:41 -0600 From: "T.F. Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related? On 2 May 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> Or, as Andr= =E9 G=EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A=0D=0AJust in case some gulli= ble soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean.=0D=0AIt's Andr= =E9 Gide, not G=EEte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war-= =0D=0Amongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now.=0D=0A= =0D=0AT.F. Mills=0D=0Awombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colora= do, USA)=0D=0AStumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net= =0D=0AThe Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!"=0D=0A=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:11:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary Lou White <whitem@speakeasy.net> To: Bruce Bumbalough <bbumbalough@grapevine.lib.tx.us> Cc: Stumpers <stumpers-L@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: Military vital records Bruce, You might start at http://www.usembassy.de/consular/index.htm. They don't talk about birth & death certificates, but maybe they can tell you where to start. Mary Lou ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:49:41 -0600 From: "T.F. Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related? On 2 May 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> Or, as Andr= =E9 G=EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A=0D=0AJust in case some gulli= ble soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean.=0D=0AIt's Andr= =E9 Gide, not G=EEte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war-= =0D=0Amongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now.=0D=0A= =0D=0AT.F. Mills=0D=0Awombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colora= do, USA)=0D=0AStumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net= =0D=0AThe Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!"=0D=0A=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:11:50 +0300 (IDT) From: Tsviya Polani <tpolani@bgumail.bgu.ac.il> To: Joan M O'Kane <joan_m_o'kane@fanniemae.com> Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: REFQ: Jewish History Joan, I did a quick check of our collection (English and Hebrew but not what we have in Italian) on the history of Venetian Jewry. Only Roth. History of the Jews in Venice (already recommended to you) seems to mention it. On pages 172-3, in the chapter "Life in the Ghetto" he talks about restrictions placed on the Jews to protect the guilds, and says "In 1637, and again in 1709, they were forbidden to practice law or to act as advocates in the Courts of Venice." I can search further for you but not until next week. Tsviya Polani Reference Librarian Aranne Library Ben-Gurion University of the Negev Be'er Sheva, Israel e-mail: tpolani@bgumail.bgu.ac.il On Wed, 2 May 2001, Joan M O'Kane wrote: > A colleague is trying to verify a date in Jewish history. He found a > web site > http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/bhyom/may.htm that says that on May 14, > 1637, the Jews of Venice were denied the right to practice law. He > would like to > verify this date and perhaps find out more about it. > > Does anyone know anything about this event or can you suggest a source > where I might be able to find more information? I checked the > Encyclopedia Judaica, but found nothing. The web site is based on the > book Day by Day in Jewish History, but the book doesn't have any more > detail than the web site. > > Please reply to me directly as I am not a Stumpers member (just a fan!). > > Many Thanks! > > Joan O'Kane > Senior Information Specialist > Fannie Mae > Research & Information Center > 3900 Wisconsin Ave., NW > Washington, DC 20016-2892 > 202-752-7493 phone > 202-752-6134 fax > joan_m_o'kane@fanniemae.com > > > > > > ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 07:46:11 -0400 From: Robert L Hadden <rhadden@usgs.gov> To: Bruce Bumbalough <bbumbalough@grapevine.lib.tx.us> Cc: stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: Military vital records Dear Bruce- The easiest answer is to have the parishioner call his local congressional representative's office (usually a local phone call) and ask the nice person on the phone to get the military records for you. Or even better, send the congressman or congresswoman a letter with all the particulars, and ask them to find this information for you. One of the great things about congressmen is that their office can be used by average citizens to cut through miles of government red tape. The cost of the congressman? Almost zero. They simply call their contact at the Pentagon called the congressional liaison office, and let some poor second lieutenant do all the legwork and make all the calls. If you are lucky, the soldier will get the documents/copies for you. If you are only half lucky, the soldier will find out what office you need to contact yourself, and will provide you with the correct address and phone number. Either way, you are ahead in the game. The congressman is happy because he has done a nice thing with little effort for someone who might vote for him in the next election, not to mention all their family or any friends that hear about it. The parson is happy because his parishioner gets what they want. Everyone is happy but the poor second lieutenant, who, as soon as he is finished with one assignment, is given another "congressional rocket" to handle until his tour of duty is finally finished. Lee Hadden ************************ R. Lee Hadden, Reference Librarian US Geological Survey Mail Stop 950, National Center Reston, VA 20192 TEL: (703) 648-6088 FAX: (703) 648-6373 rhadden@usgs.gov http://www.usgs.gov/library ************************* "The e-mail of the species is always more dangerous than the mail." - Science on T-Shirts Bruce Bumbalough <bbumbalough@grapevine. To: Stumpers <stumpers-L@cuis.edu> lib.tx.us> cc: Subject: Military vital records 05/02/2001 03:39 PM Patron is a minister of church who is trying to help a parishioner obtain a copy of the death certificate for a member of the US military who died in Germany. He also needs to obtain a copy of the birth certificate of the son of the deceased person above. The son was born in Germany. What agency should he contact? I assume some thing in the Department of Defense or Department of State, but don't know where. I have looked at the U.S. Government Manual, International Vital Records Handbook and How to Locate Anyone Who Is or Has Been in the Military. -- Bruce L. Bumbalough Reference Librarian Grapevine Public Library 1201 Municipal Way Grapevine, TX 76051 Voice: (817) 410-3404 Fax: (817) 410-3080 E-mail: bbumbalough@grapevine.lib.tx.us The views are mine, not those of the City of Grapevine. ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:37:57 -0400 From: James Lynch <JLynch@bccc.state.md.us> To: 'Stumpers' <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Subj: *Thanks for Latin Phrases. Thanks to Tim Elliott, Daphne Drewello, and Jim Sugars, for swift and efficient responses. My friend says he is glad to have a definite translation instead of just a vague idea. Jim Lynch jlynch@bccc.state.md.us STUMPERS-L unsubscribe address is: mailserv@cuis.edu unsubscribe message is: unsubscribe STUMPERS-L ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:46:00 -0400 From: thomas.d.fuller@us.andersen.com To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Cc: md2@freenet.de Subj: % Kathinka Sutro-Schuecking On the off chance you haven't thought of this, you might want to try to get in touch with Dorothea Diver Stuecher, who wrote a book in 1990 called TWICE REMOVED: THE EXPERIENCE OF GERMAN AMERICAN WOMEN WRITERS IN THE 19TH CENTURY, ISBN 0-8204-1162-0, published by Peter Lang in New York, Berlin, Frankfurt/M, and Paris; see http://db.genderinn.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/recherche/deutsch?w=tab&id=5767 The book is a study of your author, Therese Robinson, and Mathilde Anneke. Dennis Lien might be able to conjure up a contact address from his considerable literary resources. (Are you there, Denny?) -- Tom *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:09:54 -0500 From: Beth Friedmann <fried004@tc.umn.edu> To: Stumpers <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Subj: Spring has sprung... Looking for complete and correct text of a poem, possibly by Ogden Nash, that contains the phrase "Spring has sprung, the grass is riz..." Please respond directly to me. Thank you! Beth Friedmann MINITEX Reference Service University of Minnesota 612-624-7873 800-462-5348 mailto:fried004@tc.umn.edu ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:45:34 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Eoin_C._Bair=E9ad?=" <ebairead@indigo.ie> To: Elizabeth A Friedmann <fried004@tc.umn.edu>, Stumpers <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: Spring has sprung... Spring is sprung, De grass is riz, I wonder where dem birdies is? De little birds is on de wing, Ain’t dat absurd? De little wing is on de bird! Eoin C. Bairéad Dublin, Ireland 03/05/2001 14:09:54, Beth Friedmann <fried004@tc.umn.edu> wrote: >Looking for complete and correct text of a poem, possibly by Ogden Nash, >that contains the phrase "Spring has sprung, the grass is riz..." > >Please respond directly to me. > >Thank you! >Beth Friedmann >MINITEX Reference Service >University of Minnesota >612-624-7873 >800-462-5348 >mailto:fried004@tc.umn.edu > > > > > ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:03:27 -0500 (CDT) From: ash966 <ash966@bitstream.net> To: Beth Friedmann <fried004@tc.umn.edu> Cc: Stumpers <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Subj: ?Re: Spring has sprung... Gee, I never thought I'd be able to help MINITEX. Here's what Poemfinder has: Poem Finder - May 3, 2001 http://www.poemfinder.com Back to SPRING IN THE BRONX Title: SPRING IN THE BRONX Author: ANONYMOUS First Line: SPRING IS SPRUNG Last Line: DUH LITTLE WIND IN ON DUH BOID Subject: BRONX, NEW YORK CITY, LIGHT VERSE, SPRING For reference details click on the book title links below. Reference: GROSS, JOHN (ED.) - THE OXFORD BOOK OF COMIC VERSE. PAGE 277 1 record(s) found. Copyright 2001 Roth Publishing Inc. I had remembered it as "Springtime in Brooklyn". St. Paul Public Library does not have that book, but I'm sure you can find it somewhere: (from MNLINK:) 1. Saved Record from Search: ti= ("oxford book of comic verse") Title: The Oxford book of comic verse / edited by John Gross. Library: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities MnSCU/PALS - Metropolitan Region Dakota County Library Minneapolis Public Library Washington County Library Published: Oxford ; New York : Oxford University Press, 1994. Description: xxxiv, 512 p. ; 23 cm. Subjects: Humorous poetry, English. Humorous poetry, American. Contributors: Gross, John J. Notes: Includes bibliographical references (p. 481-485) and indexes. ISBN: 0192142070 : ---------- Holdings ---------- Library: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Location: WILSON Call No: PR1195 .H8 O88 1994 Item Status: Available -------------------- Library: MnSCU/PALS - Metropolitan Region Location: NDC - Normandale CC Call No: PR1195 H8 O8.8 1994 Status: Available -------------------- Library: Dakota County Library Location: WESCOTT Call No: 821.07 Ox2 Status: checked In -------------------- Library: Dakota County Library Location: BURNHAVEN Call No: 821.07 Ox2 Status: Claimed returned -------------------- Library: Dakota County Library Location: HASTINGS Call No: 821.07 Ox2 Status: checked In -------------------- Library: Dakota County Library Location: GALAXIE Call No: 821.07 Ox2 Status: checked In -------------------- Library: Dakota County Library Location: LAKEVILLE Call No: 821.07 Ox2 Status: checked In -------------------- Library: Minneapolis Public Library Location: Central Literature Dept Call No: PR1195.H8O88 1994 Public Note: NOT CHCKD OUT -------------------- Library: Washington County Library Location: Stillwater Collection: Nonfiction section Call No: 821.08 OXF Status: Check Shelf ******************************************************************************** Andrea Herman email: ash966@bitstream.net ******************************************************************************* "Oh don't the days seem lank and long When all goes right and nothing goes wrong And isn't your life extremely flat When you've nothing whatever to grumble at?" --W.S. Gilbert ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:28:40 -0400 From: "Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian ****" <karenpdo@gate.net> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: thanks for tv archives & database info Thank you-thank you! - esp to C. Early, Joan DeFato for help w/ the agri DB - I've ended up contacting the source university. but haven't been able to access it yet. Also thanks to Sally Waters, Jodie Belisario for their responses re: the Postpartum show - unfortunately, I think it may not have been MSNBC - the show which as I mentioned Tuesday, sadly involved the death of a baby. Calling the stations is the next step. Karen Mahnk ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:31:28 -0400 From: "Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian ****" <karenpdo@gate.net> To: McCarty Jennifer <mccartj@spot.colorado.edu>, stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ""Proactiv"" acne treatment and wombat sighting Jennifer; A good place to start researching a drug - either nonprescr. or prescription, is the PDR/Physician's Desk Reference". It gives a photo & will list any/all sideaffects, etc. Also check Medline/grateful med for related articles & studies. I also use Druginfo web site: http://pharminfo.com/drugdb/db_mnur.html as well as http://pharminfo.com/ and http://www.rxlist.com/ Hope that helps! Karen Mahnk At 02:59 PM 5/2/2001 -0600, McCarty Jennifer wrote: >Hello womb@ts. > >I saw a television program about womb@ts the other day. I had no idea >they were so big! They're wobbly like weebles (sp?), and pretty cute. > >But that's not the question here. I'm the patron, so no rush. I'm trying >to find out more about the acne treatment "Proactiv." I've seen their web >site. I'm hoping for information from objective sources. If anyone on >the list knows someone who has used it, that would also be useful to me. >I can't find any evidence of a study of its effectiveness, but if someone >else comes up with one, great! Even a basic critique by someone who >reviews skin care or something -- just someone who isn't hand-picked or >paid by Proactiv. (smile) > >If I've overlooked something, I'm grateful for any pointers. If not, I'll >feel confident that I've done an exhaustive search and I'll ask my doctor >at my next check-up. > >Sources checked: > >Stumpers archives >Medline >Infotrac Health Reference Center >A consumer index I don't remember the name of >A medical products index I also don't remember the name of >Health Abstracts > >Thanks. > >Jennifer > >----------------------------- >Jennifer E. McCarty >Reference and Instruction Librarian >University of Colorado at Boulder >jennifer.mccarty@colorado.edu >303-492-8887 > > > ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:33:19 -0400 From: Robert L Hadden <rhadden@usgs.gov> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: % Kathinka Sutro-Schuecking I know it is frustrating to find German language materials published in America during the 19th century. I hope you locate what you are looking for. But here is also your chance to educate American librarians on how to find materials in European libraries today. There is a strong possibility that some of these American publications in the German language found their way back to the German-speaking countries in Europe, especially in those areas with a large immigrant population and correspondence with American relatives. Have you checked the holdings for German library locations, and if you do, how do you do it other than by going to each individual library's catalog one by one? OCLC covers some German university and research libraries, but not many of the smaller ones. Is there an electronic or a paper publication similar to our Nacional Union Catalog of Pre-1956 Imprints for German libraries? Other tools showing who has what? How does one locate a book held within the German-speaking countries of Europe today? What tools, and what methods, can be used for an effective search? Your library search experience might be the basis for an interesting article in the professional literature. But until then, tell us now what you haven't found and where you have already looked. Inquiring minds want to know. R. Lee Hadden rhadden@usgs.gov ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:41:03 -0400 From: "Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian ****" <karenpdo@gate.net> To: LILongJr@aol.com, bginfo@rain.org Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" in California - similar in FL.? Palm Beach, Fl. I think still has a local law that forbids any nonresident on the Island after certain hours w/o a PB ID. - Supposedly to discourage those `nasty common workers from lingering for theft, etc.' - West Plam Beach, in fact was supposedly built specifically as a convenient community for Palm Beach's "hired help".. I remember the ID ordinance had been challenged including on racial grounds, but I don't know the outcome. Karen Mahnk At 08:33 PM 5/2/2001 -0400, LILongJr@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:03:32 AM US Mountain Standard Time, >bginfo@rain.org writes: > > >Patron heard during a sermon in church that his town, Fillmore, >California, had a law (written or unwritten) in the 1930s that > He wants >to follow up on this assertion to see whether, in fact, there was such a >law in Fillmore, or in Ventura County, where it is located. > > >I've heard that from the Civil War up to the 1920s, these type of laws (which >were not exclusively against blacks/African-Americans; they included Native >Americans [Indians], Jews, "Wobblies" [members of the IWW, I believe], and >just about anyone else who wasn't "from the right side of the tracks", as it >were) were very common throughout the Midwest, West, and South of the U.S. >I've not been able to find any sources, just anecdotes, usually in fictional >writings. > >Luke Owens >Tucson ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 07:55:55 -0700 From: Sue Kamm <suekamm@mindspring.com> To: Robert L Hadden <rhadden@usgs.gov> Cc: Bruce Bumbalough <bbumbalough@grapevine.lib.tx.us>, stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: Military vital records In a previous incarnation I worked in a state legislator's district office. I did much of the work Lee describes, calling the office or company with which a constituent was having problems. The words "I'm calling from Senator Jones's office" tended to work magic! -- Your friendly CyberGoddess and candidate for re-election as an ALA Councilor, Sue Kamm Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000 email: suekamm@mindspring.com Visit my web page: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm "Good is not good when better is expected." -- Vin Scully ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:05:33 -0500 From: Dennis Lien <Dennis.K.Lien-1@tc.umn.edu> To: "Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian ****" <karenpdo@gate.net>, Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" in California - similar in FL.? At 10:41 AM 5/3/01 -0400, Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian **** wrote: >Palm Beach, Fl. I think still has a local law that forbids any nonresident >on the Island after certain hours w/o a PB ID. - Supposedly to discourage >those `nasty common workers from lingering for theft, etc.' - West Plam >Beach, in fact was supposedly built specifically as a convenient community >for Palm Beach's "hired help".. I remember the ID ordinance had been >challenged including on racial grounds, but I don't know the outcome. >Karen Mahnk "Richard Stark's" (Donald Westlake's) latest "Parker" novel, FLASHFIRE, involves among other things a jewel heist in Palm Beach. At one point Parker is being shown around by a local real estate agent who refers to attempts to pass/enforce this law, saying something to effect that the locals haven't yet been able to manage this but she expects that, civil rights or not, eventually they will. There was a sundown law (applied to African Americans only, I think) in the Cross Plains, Texas area in the twenties; a couple of biographies of pulp writer Robert E. Howard (creator of Conan etc.) mention this in relation to Howard's opinion that such a law was silly (this gets mentioned by biographers as perhaps the most nearly enlightened thing on race that Howard, who had the usual racial prejudices of his time and place, ever expressed--which is arguable). Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:05:02 -0700 From: Deb Distante <ddistant@mtsac.edu> To: BLIC <bginfo@rain.org>, stumpers <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" in California Chris, Like everyone else, I've found record of "sundown laws" in various places but can't specifically tie it in to Fillmore or Ventura County. Have you or the patron contacted the Ventura County Historical Society? That seems one of the most likely places to try and find that information. The 1930s weren't all that long ago so it's possible that there are still some people around town who were around then who could give a personal perspective. Again, the Historical Society might be familiar with such people in the area. The web site for the Ventura County Museum of History and Art is http://www.vcmha.org/. Their phone number is (805) 653-0323. Hope this helps! deb >Patron heard during a sermon in church that his town, Fillmore, >California, had a law (written or unwritten) in the 1930s that >blacks/African Americans could not remain in town over night. He wants >to follow up on this assertion to see whether, in fact, there was such a >law in Fillmore, or in Ventura County, where it is located. > >I believe such laws were known as "sundown laws." I find some web >references to them in Oregon, and I've heard of them elsewhere, too. (I >watched To Kill a Mockingbird a couple of months ago, perhaps this is >where I recently heard reference to them? By the way, that movie is >gorgeous--a striking contrast to the short-attention-span style of >modern movies, it really conveys the feel of back when time was slower.) > >I've looked in several encyclopedias of African-American history, Encyc >Brit, World Book Encyc, a few books of the history of blacks in >California, WorldCat. I may contact the NAACP. > >Any ideas of other sources I might consult? > >TIA, > >-- Chris Gallery >Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System >c/o Santa Barbara Public Library >P.O. Box 1019 >Santa Barbara, CA 93102 >Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org Deb Distante Mt. San Antonio College 1100 N. Grand Ave. Walnut, CA 91789 909-594-5611 ext. 4285 ddistant@mtsac.edu ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:10:28 -0700 From: BLIC <bginfo@rain.org> To: stumpers <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Thanks re: Sundown laws Many thanks to Robert Hadden, Donna burton, Luke Owens and Karen Mahnk for their contributions re: "sundown laws." Nothing specific on California: Ventura: Fillmore yet, but at least we have confirmation that such laws, written or unwritten, were once in effect in some areas. I'll sic the patron on the local historical society for further research. Chris Gallery Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:24:42 -0700 From: BLIC <bginfo@rain.org> To: Deb Distante <ddistant@mtsac.edu>, stumpers <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" in California Dear Deb: Just got your message after sending off a thank you to previous responders. Thanks. Yes, I called the Ventura Historical Society before even posting on Stumpers. I left a message with a volunteer who was going to pass it to the librarian when he returned from lunch. No word back yet, but I'm not holding my breath, as this is a slippery kind of thing to research conventionally. I also asked an African American coworker who lives in Ventura, who promised to take the question to her beauty shop where there are some old-timer ladies. Apparently this is the kind of shop like I've seen in the movies, where everybody joins in on lively conversations and a lot of information is exchanged. I've always wanted patronize such a place, but have found that I'm lucky if my haircutter will chat with me. I guess the gabby gossip-and-news places exist in small towns and neighborhoods where one's friends all go to the same salon, and on a regular basis. Deb Distante wrote: > > Chris, > Like everyone else, I've found record of "sundown laws" in various places > but can't specifically tie it in to Fillmore or Ventura County. Have you > or the patron contacted the Ventura County Historical Society? > ddistant@mtsac.edu -- Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:17:52 -0400 From: David B G Kresh <dakr@loc.gov> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu, bginfo@rain.org Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" in California If you plug "don't let the sun set on you" into www.google.com, you can find a variety of examples of the widespread "don't let the sun set on you in [this town/county]" phenomenon. It ought to be possible to discover locally whether a written law existed, but even in the absence of a written law, this seems to have been a popular threat. (I assume its point is not so much "you are not permitted to stay in this town" as "if you stay, you will be extremely sorry.") David Kresh Humanities & Social Sciences Division Library of Congress dakr@loc.gov >>> BLIC <bginfo@rain.org> 05/02 2:00 PM >>> Patron heard during a sermon in church that his town, Fillmore, California, had a law (written or unwritten) in the 1930s that blacks/African Americans could not remain in town over night. He wants to follow up on this assertion to see whether, in fact, there was such a law in Fillmore, or in Ventura County, where it is located. I believe such laws were known as "sundown laws." I find some web references to them in Oregon, and I've heard of them elsewhere, too. (I watched To Kill a Mockingbird a couple of months ago, perhaps this is where I recently heard reference to them? By the way, that movie is gorgeous--a striking contrast to the short-attention-span style of modern movies, it really conveys the feel of back when time was slower.) I've looked in several encyclopedias of African-American history, Encyc Brit, World Book Encyc, a few books of the history of blacks in California, WorldCat. I may contact the NAACP. Any ideas of other sources I might consult? TIA, -- Chris Gallery Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:28:25 -0500 From: Dennis Lien <Dennis.K.Lien-1@tc.umn.edu> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Cc: dphair@mail.pratt.lib.md.us Subj: %%% Re: fable of monkey with magician's wand Daria and fellow wombats, I'm afraid I've run into dead ends on this. I also checked with a couple of fairy-tale-savvy colleagues, including Prof. Jack Zipes (who teaches at the U of MN) whose reply was: >Subject: Re: fable of monkey with magician's wand > >Dear Dennis, > >Sorry, but I can't place it. The only fairy tale in which a monkey (an >enchanted monkey) plays a key role is Mme D'Aulnoy's "Babiole," but I can't >remember a scene like this in the tale. However, I haven't read the tale >recently. Our copies of Aulnoy in English are variously out or in storage, so I haven't tried to follow up with "Babiole." I've been unable to find the story I thought I remembered either, except for a very vague idea it may have been a poem rather than a standard fairy tale/fable. Or the whole thing may be a false memory-- sorry. Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu >> >At 12:08 AM 4/19/01 -0400, Daria Phair wrote: >> >>Dear Stumpers, >> >> >> >>I have a friend who is doing research on French fable thimbles of the late >> >>19th/early 20th centuries made by Lenain of Paris. She is including >> >>summaries of the stories depicted on the thimbles in her paper. But, she >> >>is having problems identifying one of the fables/fairytales. It shows a >> >>monkey holding a wand in his upright hand, teaching(?) a cat, dog, and >> >>turkey. There is a lantern on a table. >> >> >> >>I tried the web site aesopfables.com without luck. It doesn't appear to >> >>be an Aesop fable. Could it be La Fontaine or someone else? Has anyone >> >>heard of this? TIA >> >> >> >>Yours truly, >> >>Daria Phair >> >>Enoch Pratt Library/Baltimore, MD >> >>(410) 396-5471; (410) 396-4441 fax >> > >> > >> >I'm fairly sure I read this fable back in the mists of my prehistory, >> >but haven't been able to refind it. I think it's a variant of "sorcerer's >> >apprentice" motif, in which a magician's pet monkey steals his >> >master's wand and hat etc. while the master is asleep or otherwise >> >missing, but finds only catastrophe when he attempts to use it. I'll >> >keep digging around and see if I can come up with an example (no luck >> >with Stith Thompson, STORYTELLER'S SORCEBOOK, etc.). >> > >> >Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:02:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Lois Fundis <fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us> To: David B G Kresh <dakr@loc.gov> Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu, bginfo@rain.org Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" in California At 12:17 PM 05/03/2001 -0400, David B G Kresh wrote: >If you plug "don't let the sun set on you" into www.google.com, you >can find a variety of examples of the widespread "don't let the sun >set on you in [this town/county]" phenomenon. It ought to be possible >to discover locally whether a written law existed, but even in the >absence of a written law, this seems to have been a popular threat. >(I assume its point is not so much "you are not permitted to stay in >this town" as "if you stay, you will be extremely sorry.") You also might want to talk to someone at a local (county courthouse? law school? old established law firm?) law library to see if old compilations of city ordinances are available, to check if this was a written law and if other towns in the area did the same thing. * * * * Lois Aleta Fundis, Reference ^~~~~^ and Gov't. Documents Librarian Mary H. Weir Public Library, (O) (O) Weirton, WV 26062 fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us . \/ . 304-797-8510 (fax -8526) "Carpe librum!" ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:14:00 -0400 From: cci <cci@nlci.com> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu, Louise Sullivan <lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org> Cc: 0 JRS2 <cci@nlci.com> Subj: Re: ?Words and Music for Three Songs Needed Louise: For all those of us who help search, please do ALL of us a favor. Please check the spelling before you submit. 1. The "Au Revoir..." that you want is in the Sibley Music Library. Ask them to fax you a copy. 2. Two names not spelled incorrectly: Albert von Tilzer & Edward Teschmacher. John Seonac Music Reference West Lafayette PL Fx: 765 463 5695 cci@nlci.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louise Sullivan" <lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org> To: <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:15 AM Subject: ?Words and Music for Three Songs Needed > We have a customer who needs the words and music to the following: > > 1) Until (words and music by Jack Fulton and Bob Crosby, 1948. Recorded by > Tommy Dorsey; vocal by Harry Prine). > > 2) Until (words by Edward Teschemescher, music by Wilfred Sanderson, 1918). > > 3) Au Revoir, but Not Goodbye, Soldier Boy (words by Lew Brown, music by > Albert von Tilger, 1917). > > We have searched numerous song indices both in paper and on the Internet. > We have found sites on the Internet that list the sheet music for songs #1 > and #3 for sale but not the words or music. If anyone who has the words > and music in their collection would be willing to fax it to us, we would be > grateful. If that's not possible, if anyone is aware of a title that might > include these songs, that also would be helpful. > > Thanks for the assistance. > Louise Sullivan > Reference Librarian > Spokane Public Library > Ph: 509-444-5336 > Fax: 509-444-5364 > lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org > ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:40:04 -0700 (PDT) From: cbrian@address.com To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: may 11, 1921 Looking for a source that would tell me what happened on may 11, 1921 . . . something like "this day in history," but it needs to be more specific (i.e., it has to include exact month, day, and year). any Web sources that you can point me to would be appreciated. and, golly, I wish there was a Day by Day: the Twenties (there isn't is, there?). Thanks! Chris --------------------------------------------------------------- Get Free Internet Access And WebEmail At http://www.address.com ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:50:54 -0400 From: Jeanne Schramm <SCHRAMMJ@wlsc.edu> To: stumpers-L@crf.cuis.edu Subj: RE:May 11, 1921 Here is one place to find what happened by month, day AND year. (Scroll past the births and deaths to get to the events.) www.scopesys.com/year -- Jeanne Schramm Elbin Library West Liberty State College West Liberty, W.Va. 26074 304.336.8184 -- ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:52:45 -0400 From: "Hartung, Steven" <shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org> To: "'cbrian@address.com'" <cbrian@address.com>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: % may 11, 1921 ah, yes, Sweden abolishes capital punishment! http://din-timelines.com/1920/1921.shtml Steven Hartung Pamunkey Regional Library Hanover, Virginia shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org -----Original Message----- From: cbrian@address.com [mailto:cbrian@address.com] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:40 PM To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: may 11, 1921 Looking for a source that would tell me what happened on may 11, 1921 . . . something like "this day in history," but it needs to be more specific (i.e., it has to include exact month, day, and year). any Web sources that you can point me to would be appreciated. and, golly, I wish there was a Day by Day: the Twenties (there isn't is, there?). Thanks! Chris --------------------------------------------------------------- Get Free Internet Access And WebEmail At http://www.address.com ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:06:20 -0400 From: Hilary Caws-Elwitt <sctylibrary@stny.rr.com> To: Dennis Lien <Dennis.K.Lien-1@tc.umn.edu> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu, dphair@mail.pratt.lib.md.us Subj: % Babiole--was Re: %%% Re: fable of monkey with magician's wand "Babiole" in French is online in a few places, for ex: http://www.contes.net/contes/aulnoy/aul_g155.html Looks like negative evidence only. I skimmed it--cats and dogs are mentioned, and various birds including a parrot, but no hit on "dinde" or "dindon", though there may be other words for turkey that I don't remember. A key element is that the monkey (an enchanted princess) is pretty much always dressed in robes etc; and it's a lengthy fairy story, not a fable by any means. -- Hilary Caws-Elwitt, Public Services Librarian -- sctylibrary@stny.rr.com Susquehanna County Library, 2 Monument Sq, Montrose PA 18801 -- 570-278-1881 ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:13:33 -0400 From: "Hartung, Steven" <shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org> To: "Hartung, Steven" <shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org>, Subj: % may 11, 1921 so sorry, "Chronicle of the 20th Century" gives the date for abolishing the death penalty as May 11th--the online source gives it as May 8th--again, apologies for the misdirection-- Steven Hartung Pamunkey Regional Library Hanover, Virginia shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org -----Original Message----- From: Hartung, Steven [mailto:shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:53 PM To: 'cbrian@address.com'; stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: % may 11, 1921 ah, yes, Sweden abolishes capital punishment! http://din-timelines.com/1920/1921.shtml Steven Hartung Pamunkey Regional Library Hanover, Virginia shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org -----Original Message----- From: cbrian@address.com [mailto:cbrian@address.com] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:40 PM To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: may 11, 1921 Looking for a source that would tell me what happened on may 11, 1921 . . . something like "this day in history," but it needs to be more specific (i.e., it has to include exact month, day, and year). any Web sources that you can point me to would be appreciated. and, golly, I wish there was a Day by Day: the Twenties (there isn't is, there?). Thanks! Chris --------------------------------------------------------------- Get Free Internet Access And WebEmail At http://www.address.com ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:38:07 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: Stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: % Babiole--was Re: %%% Re: fable of monkey with magician's wand =0D=0A=0D=0AOn Thu, 3 May 2001, Hilary Caws-Elwitt wrote:=0D=0A=0D= =0A> "Babiole" in French is online in a few places, for ex:=0D=0A> ht= tp://www.contes.net/contes/aulnoy/aul_g155.html=0D=0A> Looks like neg= ative evidence only. I skimmed it--cats and dogs are=0D=0A> mentioned= , and various birds including a parrot, but no hit on "dinde" or=0D= =0A> "dindon", though there may be other words for turkey that I don'= t remember.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AOne of the turkey's early French nicknam= es was "j=E9suite"!=0D=0A=0D=0AI wonder if Hannibal Lecter ever.... 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I think this term is used to express unwritten local attitudes about X group against which there is a great deal of local prejudice, that they had better not be found there after sundown, or in some cases like Beverly Hills, they had better not be in the neighborhood unless they have legitimate business such as being a gardener, a delivery person, a pool cleaner, etc. I read the bit about Beverly Hills some years ago and I don't remember where, although I'm certain the person who said it was a member of a minority group. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ? ? ? ? Denise Montgomery "Knowledge is of two kinds; ? ? Valdosta State Univ Library we know a subject ourselves, ? ? Valdosta, GA 31698 or we know where we can find ? ? information upon it." ? ? (912) 333-5867 Dr. Samuel Johnson, Boswell's ? ? (912) 333-5862 FAX Life of Johnson, April 15, ? ? dmontgom@valdosta.edu 1775 ? ? http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Outlet/8896/ ? ? ? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:42:04 -0400 From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" <cierpke@prodigy.net> To: cbrian@address.com Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: may 11, 1921 If some has the NYT on microfilm for the day after (May 12, 1921) there might be news that you can use Kevin At 09:40 AM 5/3/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Looking for a source that would tell me what happened on may 11, 1921 . . . > >something like "this day in history," but it needs to be more specific (i.e., >it has to include exact month, day, and year). > >any Web sources that you can point me to would be appreciated. > >and, golly, I wish there was a Day by Day: the Twenties (there isn't is, >there?). > >Thanks! > >Chris > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Get Free Internet Access And WebEmail At http://www.address.com > Kevin W. Woodruff, M. Div. Library Director/Reference Librarian Professor of New Testament Greek Cierpke Memorial Library Tennessee Temple University/Temple Baptist Seminary 1815 Union Ave. Chattanooga, Tennessee 37404 United States of America 423/493-4252 (office) 423/698-9447 (home) 423/493-4497 (FAX) Cierpke@prodigy.net (preferred) kwoodruf@utk.edu (alternate) http://pages.prodigy.net/cierpke/woodruff.htm ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:46:39 -0400 From: Erie County Public Library <reference@erielibrary.ecls.lib.pa.us> To: Stumpers <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Song lyrics stumper Dear Follow Stumpers, I am looking for the lyrics to a WWII song, most likely British, called the 'Deepest Shelter in Town. The song was written by Florence Desmond. I believe that the song has something to do with the air raid shelters that were used by the British. I have checked the archives and other librarians have done Internet searches with no results. As always, thanks in advance. Terry Erie County Public Library ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:38:43 -0700 From: "DeFato, Joan" <joan.defato@arboretum.org> To: 'BLIC' <bginfo@rain.org>, stumpers <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: RE: ""Sundown laws"" in California In Landscape Architecture 17:277, 1927, there is an extract of the restrictions (probably from 1923)in Palos Verdes Estates in Los Angeles County. The restrictions, covering a host of things that were allowed or not allowed relating to architecture, use of property, planting, easements, etc., were to be in effect until 1960 and automatically renewed for 20-year intervals unless changed by one-half of the property owners. Under Racial Limitations is the statement that "No part of said property shall be used or occupied or permitted to be used or occupied in whole or in part by any person of African or Asiatic descent or by any person not of the white or Caucasian race, except domestic servants, chauffeurs, or gardeners of other than the white or Caucasian race may live on or occupy the premises where their employer resides . . . It may be that the "sundown laws" would show up in restrictions on land use as much as they might show up as city, county or state laws. Joan DeFato Plant Science Library The Arboretum of Los Angeles County 301 North Baldwin Avenue Arcadia, CA 91007-2697 Phone: (626) 821-3213 Fax: (626) 445-1217 -----Original Message----- From: BLIC [mailto:bginfo@rain.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:00 AM To: stumpers Subject: "Sundown laws" in California Patron heard during a sermon in church that his town, Fillmore, California, had a law (written or unwritten) in the 1930s that blacks/African Americans could not remain in town over night. He wants to follow up on this assertion to see whether, in fact, there was such a law in Fillmore, or in Ventura County, where it is located. I believe such laws were known as "sundown laws." ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:01:00 -0500 (CDT) From: C V <cvj@metronet.com> To: Beth Friedmann <fried004@tc.umn.edu> Cc: Stumpers <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: Spring has sprung... On Thu, 3 May 2001, Beth Friedmann wrote: > Looking for complete and correct text of a poem, possibly by Ogden Nash, > that contains the phrase "Spring has sprung, the grass is riz..." > Please respond directly to me. > Thank you! It's in the archives ... no surprise there. What follows is a culling, which includes the answer, I did not copy subsequent postings of the answer, to the subsequent postings of the question, which comes up nearly every spring. Connie This is a section of the document 'gopher_root:[searchidx]stumpers-l_1995-03.txt;31'. Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:21:59 -0800 (PST) From: Dianne Hall <hallc@ucs.orst.edu> To: stumpers-list@CRF.CUIS.EDU Subj: ? Spring has sprung [The patron's deadline is today, 3/21, 7:30p.m. PST, so don't bother to respond after that time.] Patron would like to know the author of the poem that he says begins with the words "Spring has sprung, the grass has ris (?riz?), I wonder where the flowers (?birdies?) is." She would also like the whole poem if available. We believe it may be an Ogden Nash poem but couldn't find it in a couple of his books. Also, not found in the Granger's CD-ROM, Gale's Quotations CD-ROM, Bartlett's, Stevenson, Oxford dict. of quotations, and other quotation books and light verse books in our collection. Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:40:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Serra Coop. Library System" <serra@CLASS.ORG> To: Dianne Hall <hallc@ucs.orst.edu> Cc: stumpers-list@CRF.CUIS.EDU Subj: Re: ? Spring has sprung I know the deadline is past but perhaps the patron - and Stumpers subscribers - would still find the info. of use: Thanks to a search by SCAN staff in 1986, we have a file note that this is found in Brandreth/Joy of Lex, p.121, titled "The Budding Bronx". THE BUDDING BRONX Der spring is sprung Der grass is riz I wonder where dem boidies is? Der little boids is on der wing, Ain't dat absoid? Der little wings is on der boid! I hope no one takes offense at the joking about a Bronx accent! I would add, however, that I also found the "Swastika Orange" tasteless at best but decided not to make a big issue of it at the time. Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:08:19 -0600 (CST) From: Arts and Literature Department <ald@omaha.lib.ne.us> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?Spring is sprung O.K., I know it's Friday and the sun is shining here for the first time in what seems like months. . .obviously all of this is affecting what little ability I brought with me this morning... Here is my dilemma: Spring is sprung The grass is riz I wonder where the birdies is We have a patron who wants to know the correct spelling (he has a version spelled Spring iz sprung The grass iz riz I wonder where the birdies iz) and the origin of this little ditty. We have tried quotation sources, poetry sources, the Net, Stumpers Archives. Lots of people use bits and pieces of it, the spellings vary, no sources are ever mentioned. (No, that's wrong. The Gale's Quotations CD-ROM attributes it to Unknown and has the last line, "I wonder where the posies is.") Any and all assistance will be greatly appreciated, as always. And, in my own defense, I put this before Stumpers because somewhere in the nether regions of my mind lurks the dimmest, faintest possibility that I have seen or read something about this...but it is Friday and the sun is shining here for what seems like the first time in months... TIA! Sherry F. at the Omaha Public Library (NE) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:14:10 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Holt <tholt@gfn.org> To: Arts and Literature Department <ald@omaha.lib.ne.us> Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: !Spring is sprung Here is the poem you requested, just as it appears in my source, barring typos. A caveat though: my "source" is not exactly authoritative - a copy I made 15 years ago of page 621 of some now unknown book. Spring is sprung The grass is riz I wonder where the flowers is, The boids is on the wing, Ain't dat absoid, I thought the wings was on the boid. Snakes is small, not tall at all, They ain't even got no stature, And when they stare, They take great care To always look right ature. A cow is of bovine ilk One end is Moo, the other milk. A duck is a boid quite keen His toes ain't got no in between. A rooster is a kind of chicken Once in a while he gets sick'n Dies. - Sir Brown A couple of questions of my own (mostly rhetorical): so who is Sir Brown, and why is this poem, with such well-known first lines, so elusive? Tim Holt tholt@gfn.org ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:15:02 -0700 From: Jan Gorden <jgorden@jcls.org> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: rush ""song"" request Hi All - We have a patron who is asking for words and music to "the Cambridge University (England) school song." We have not been able to verify that such a song exists. As far as we can tell, the patron means Cambridge as a whole, rather than any of the individual colleges. And of course they need it by tomorrow! Can anyone help with either verifying that there is (or isn't) a song, or providing said song? Many thanks in advance - Jan Gorden who offered to go research the question in person, but they wouldn't let me Jackson County Library Services fax (541) 774-6749 jgorden@jcls.org ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:01:37 -0500 From: cci <cci@nlci.com> To: Jan Gorden <jgorden@jcls.org>, stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: rush ""song"" request Good 'ol Jan: You are only slightly less gullible than I. With time contraints, can the patron not at least help us verify and existing song with a telephone or email contact. Come on, patron, if we are willing to spend 2 hours finding your song, help us with a ten minute call. +44 1223 337733. University of Cambridge Feedback to webmaster@ucs.cam.ac.uk John "today's short fuse" Seonac Music Reference West Lafayette Public Library P.O. Box 2179 West Lafayette IN 47996-2179 fx 765 743 2063 email cci@nlci.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Gorden" <jgorden@jcls.org> To: <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:15 PM Subject: rush "song" request > Hi All - > > We have a patron who is asking for words and music to "the Cambridge > University (England) school song." We have not been able to verify that > such a song exists. As far as we can tell, the patron means Cambridge as a > whole, rather than any of the individual colleges. And of course they need > it by tomorrow! Can anyone help with either verifying that there is (or > isn't) a song, or providing said song? Many thanks in advance - > > Jan Gorden who offered to go research the question in person, but they > wouldn't let me > Jackson County Library Services > fax (541) 774-6749 > jgorden@jcls.org > ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:45:15 +0000 From: wholesaleld@consultant.com To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu, 01gomgnrap8i9amqmt@crf.cuis.edu, Subj: Slash you phone bills in half Most people are paying way too much for their long distance calls - and most people don't even realize it. If you are one of these people, we can help you save money and provide more services than you currently have. Do you have your own personal 800#? Are you dialing those inconvenient 10-10 numbers? Call 1-866-701-2191 now to lower your long distance bills and to receive your own 800#. Tom Myrick's telephone calls were average and his typical long distance bill was $36.00 per month. 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According to the short bio. on the book, Ms. Stuecher has taught German at the University of Wisconsin/Superior and was teaching after that at the University of Minnesota/Deluth. Where she is now, I'm not sure... Unfortunately, the books I'm looking for are only listed in the bibliography of Stuecher's book and are not actually discussed at any point, so I have the feeling that they were also not able to be located...??? For the list: Any further help from anyone regarding this author and the works I mentioned in my first posting would be greatly appreciated! Again, "Sutro-Schu:cking" has a "u" with an umlaut -- represented here with a colon as I can't get it to show up on the stumper's list for some reason; variant spellings are "Sutro-Schuecking", "Sutro-Schucking", "Sutro", and sometimes "Schu:cking-Sutro", etc... Best, Matthew Gaskins md2@freenet.de At 08:46 03.05.01 -0400, you wrote: >On the off chance you haven't thought of this, you might want to try to get in >touch with Dorothea Diver Stuecher, who wrote a book in 1990 called TWICE >REMOVED: THE EXPERIENCE OF GERMAN AMERICAN WOMEN WRITERS IN THE 19TH CENTURY, >ISBN 0-8204-1162-0, published by Peter Lang in New York, Berlin, Frankfurt/M, >and Paris; see > >http://db.genderinn.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/recherche/deutsch?w=tab&id=5767 > >The book is a study of your author, Therese Robinson, and Mathilde Anneke. > >Dennis Lien might be able to conjure up a contact address from his considerable >literary resources. (Are you there, Denny?) > >-- Tom > >*******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* > > >Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. 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I neglected to mention in my earlier e-mail that we had already done so but I was asked to post the question on Stumpers as well. (blush) Sorry about that - Jan Gorden Jackson County Library Services fax (541) 774-6749 jgorden@jcls.org ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:40:15 -0500 From: Dennis Lien <Dennis.K.Lien-1@tc.umn.edu> To: cbrian@address.com, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: %% Re: may 11, 1921 At 09:40 AM 5/3/01 -0700, cbrian@address.com wrote: >Looking for a source that would tell me what happened on may 11, 1921 . . . > >something like "this day in history," but it needs to be more specific (i.e., >it has to include exact month, day, and year). > >any Web sources that you can point me to would be appreciated. > >and, golly, I wish there was a Day by Day: the Twenties (there isn't is, >there?). > >Thanks! > >Chris No, I don't think DAY BY DAY has made it back to the 20s yet. There are several print tools that go down to the day level, at least for a good percentage of their entries. Of these, I found hits for May 11, 1921 in: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Author: Putnam, George Palmer, 1814-1872, comp. Title: Dictionary of events, a handbook of universal history; a series of chronological tables presenting, in parallel columns a record of the noteworthy events of history from the earliest times to the present day, together with an index of subjects and genealogical tables, compiled by George Palmer Putnam, A.M., and George Haven Putnam, LITT. D., OXON., and associates. Published: New York, Grosset & Dunlap [c1936] p.473: May 11: Germany accepts unconditionally the modified terms of the Allies. <e.g., in regard to war reparations> Author: Mellersh, H. E. L. Title: Chronology of world history / H.E.L. Mellersh. Published: Santa Barbara, Calif. : ABC-CLIO, c1999. Description: 4 v. ; 25 cm. Subjects, Library of Congress (Use s=): Chronology, Historical. Contributors: Williams, Neville, 1924- vol. 4, page 134: May 11: The German Reichstag (parliament) votes to accept the Allies' ultimatum on reparations for World War I damages. and Author: Langer, William L. (William Leonard), 1896-1977. Title: An encyclopedia of world history; ancient, medieval, and modern, chronologically arranged. Compiled and edited by William L. Langer. Edition: 5th ed., rev. and enl. with maps and geneal. tables. Published: Boston, Houghton Mifflin, 1972. Description: xxxix, 1569 p. illus. 25 cm. Subjects, Library of Congress (Use s=): History--Outlines, syllabi, etc. <this one is arranged by country or area, so tracking all possible events for a given date involves a lot of thumbing back and forth. The German event above was only one I saw for any European state; nothing noted for US or Canada; I didn't check beyond these.> and ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Author: Keller, Helen Rex. Title: The dictionary of dates, by Helen Rex Keller. Published: New York, The Macmillian company, c1934. Description: 2 v. 25 cm. Subjects, Library of Congress (Use s=): Chronology, Historical. History--Dictionaries. Notes: "A record from earliest times through the year 1930 arranged by countries ... an outline of events."--Pref. <again, arranged by country; I checked United States only and found on v.2 page 325> May 11-June 25: Visit of Mme. M.S. Curie, discoverer of radium Some other tools that are sometimes useful for specific dates, but were not in this case, include: Author: Freeman-Grenville, G. S. P. (Greville Stewart Parker) Title: Chronology of world history : a calendar of principal events from 3000 BC to AD 1973 / G. S. P. Freeman-Grenville. Published: Totowa, N.J. : Rowman & Littlefield, 1975. Description: 753 p. ; 25 cm. and Author: Carruth, Gorton. Title: The encyclopedia of world facts and dates / Gorton Carruth. Edition: 1st ed. Published: New York : HarperCollins Publishers, c1993. Description: ix, 1310 p. ; 24 cm. and Author: Little, Charles Eugene, 1838-1918. Title: Cyclopedia of classified dates, with an exhaustive index, by Charles E. Little, for the use of students of history, and for all persons who desire speedy access to the facts and events, which relate to the histories of the various countries of the world, from the earliest recorded dates. Published: New York, London, Funk & Wagnalls company, 1900. Description: vii, [1], 1454 p. 26 cm. (one of the most detailed, but alas it goes up only to 1900) and two titles that are arranged by day -- e.g., look up "May 11" and find things that have happened on that day throughout a number of years, though in neither case was 1921 one of them...) Author: Beeching, Cyril Leslie. Title: A dictionary of dates / Cyril Leslie Beeching. Edition: 2nd ed. Published: Oxford : Oxford University Press, 1997. Description: viii, 342 p. ; 20 cm. Subjects, Library of Congress (Use s=): Anniversaries--Dictionaries. Chronology, Historical--Dictionaries. Calendars. and Author: Mirkin, Stanford M. Title: What happened when; a noted researcher's almanac of yesterdays by Stanford M. Mirkin. Edition: [New, rev. and enl. ed.] Published: New York, I. Washburn [1966] Description: v., 442 p. 21 cm. *********** I don't know if you're looking for one specific known event on that date (if so, the Germany one presumably was the big one, as a stepping stone on eventual path to WWII) or if you do need a long list; if the latter, checking NEW YORK TIMES or LONDON TIMES or the like for the next day or two would probably be necessary. Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu (born on the day "Constitutional guarantees of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and right to assemble are suspended in Argentina by executive decree") ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:51:32 -0500 From: Lambrini Papangelis <Lambrini.Papangelis@wku.edu> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: <no subject> UNSUBSCRIBE LAMBRINI PAPANGELIS ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:05:57 -0400 From: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com> To: Jan Gorden <jgorden@jcls.org> Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: rush ""song"" request At 01:15 PM 5/3/2001 -0700, Jan Gorden wrote: >We have a patron who is asking for words and music to "the Cambridge >University (England) school song." We have not been able to verify that >such a song exists. As far as we can tell, the patron means Cambridge as a >whole, rather than any of the individual colleges. And of course they need >it by tomorrow! Can anyone help with either verifying that there is (or >isn't) a song, or providing said song? Many thanks in advance - Cambridge University as a whole won't have a school song. We don't use "school" in that sense in England. The patron may be thinking of a Latin drinking song, but it must have been as much used at Oxford as at Cambridge. Another possibility is the Eton boating song. But I feel that clarification from the patron is needed. David ib David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:18:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Barbara Blair <bblair@albuq.rgv.lib.nm.us> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: rush ""song"" request It sounds to me like this is a case for Dr. Dyson..John, please write (in both English and Latin) a school song for Cambridge which can be given to the patron tomorrow. (and later sung at the Stumpers banquet) Possible title Cambridge, Cambridge lux, libris, libation. ************************** Original Message ************************* From: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:05:57 -0400 To: Jan Gorden <jgorden@jcls.org> Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subject: Re: rush "song" request At 01:15 PM 5/3/2001 -0700, Jan Gorden wrote: >We have a patron who is asking for words and music to "the Cambridge >University (England) school song." We have not been able to verify that >such a song exists. As far as we can tell, the patron means Cambridge as a >whole, rather than any of the individual colleges. And of course they need >it by tomorrow! Can anyone help with either verifying that there is (or >isn't) a song, or providing said song? Many thanks in advance - Cambridge University as a whole won't have a school song. We don't use "school" in that sense in England. The patron may be thinking of a Latin drinking song, but it must have been as much used at Oxford as at Cambridge. Another possibility is the Eton boating song. But I feel that clarification from the patron is needed. David ib David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:44:53 -0600 (MDT) From: Barbara Blair <bblair@albuq.rgv.lib.nm.us> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: RE: ""Sundown laws"" in California I think the "sundown law" was a little harsher than restrictions on who could live in what neighborhood. My anecdotal evidence for that is traveling with my family when I was a small child through parts of Kansas and Oklahoma. On the edge of one town there was a sign that said "N-word don't let the sun set on your head in this town." ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:51:51 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: Barbara Blair <bblair@albuq.rgv.lib.nm.us> Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: rush ""song"" request On Thu, 3 May 2001, Barbara Blair wrote: > It sounds to me like this is a case for Dr. Dyson..John, please write (in both > English and Latin) a school song for Cambridge which can be given to the > patron tomorrow. (and later sung at the Stumpers banquet) Possible title > Cambridge, Cambridge lux, libris, libation. I couldn't whip one off that quick, Barb, but Bruce ("The Boss") Springfield might: "Born on the Cambridge bridge!" [repeat 500 times]. Or, as H. P. Stokes hexametered: Hinc lucem haurire est et pocula sacra replere. Get down! John Dyson ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:38:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Jcmaher@aol.com To: bginfo@rain.org, stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" (not in California but) in Indiana In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:03:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, =0D= =0Abginfo@rain.org writes:=0D=0A=0D=0A<< Patron heard during a sermon= in church that his town, Fillmore,=0D=0A California, had a law (writ= ten or unwritten) in the 1930s that=0D=0A blacks/African Americans co= uld not remain in town over night. He wants=0D=0A to follow up on th= is assertion to see whether, in fact, there was such a=0D=0A law in F= illmore, or in Ventura County, where it is located.=0D=0A =0D=0A I be= lieve such laws were known as "sundown laws." I find some web=0D=0A r= efe rences to them in Oregon, and I've heard of them elsewhere, too. >>= =0D=0A=0D=0AI grew up in Indiana, where I often heard reference to su= ndown laws. All I =0D=0Awas able to find in a quick web search (googl= e.com) were the following:=0D=0A=0D=0AThe first, at http://www.indian= a.edu/~libbcc/submay97.html=0D=0A=0D=0AAFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURAL CENT= ER LIBRARY=0D=0ASUBJECT FILE=0D=0A1997=0D=0A=0D=0ALast updated: May 1= 6, 1997=0D=0AG. Jackson-Brown, 109 N. Jordan, (812)855-3237=0D=0ACopy= right =A9 1995 Black Culture Center Library=0D=0AIndiana University, = Bloomington=0D=0A=0D=0AFrom=20 the index:=0D=0AIndiana=0D=0A -African Americans=0D=0A -Black E= xpo=0D=0A -Bloomington=0D=0A -Hall of Fame=0D=0A -Historical= Society=0D=0A -Sundown Ordinances=0D=0A=0D=0AAnd from the website= of the Indiana Historical Society, at =0D=0Ahttp://www.indianahistor= y.org/heritage/freeman.html:=0D=0A=0D=0AOpportunities for blacks in t= his state at the start of World War II were =0D=0Alittle better than = those offered by the Army. "It was nearly impossible to =0D=0Afind in= Indiana a public place, institution, or group where whites accorded = =0D=0Ablacks an equa l and open reception," noted Indiana University Professor of =0D=0AHi= story James Madison in his history of the state from 1920 to 1945. Al= though =0D=0Athere were no actual statutes on the books, in many town= s blacks encountered =0D=0Aso-called "Sundown laws," which forbade th= em to stay in the city after dark =0D=0AIn most aspects of their dail= y lives, from eating in restaurants to watching =0D=0Amotion pictures= , African-American Hoosiers faced discrimination and =0D=0Asegregatio= n. =0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 22:50:03 -0500 From: Amy Schlumpf Manion <stumpers@email.dom.edu> To: Stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: *From the moderator re: monthly reminders Hello listmembers: A couple monthly reminders to help keep the list running smoothly for everyone: 1. 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Please refrain form contacting the entire list with your problem--this should be a last resort, used only after you've tried the first two options without success. That's it for May. I enjoy reading all of your postings. You people are all so knowledgeable. Thanks for your patience with me. Please do not hesitate to contact me with any problems or concerns. Amy Schlumpf Manion Stumpers Moderator Dominican University Graduate School of Library & Information Science ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 00:01:34 -0700 From: Reed C Bowman <hammerquill@earthlink.net> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Cc: dphair@mail.pratt.lib.md.us Subj: Re: fable of monkey with magician's wand I don't suppose there's any chance it's from a Chinese story... I don't know any of them well enough to begin to guess at it, but Monkey has the right sort of character in a lot of Chinese stories. Were these thimbles always based on familiar European fables or might they have thrown in a foreign one? I think such translated tales made popular children's books at the time. RCB ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:29:18 -0400 From: Robert L Hadden <rhadden@usgs.gov> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Hannuman the Monkey God with magician's wand I may need a refresher of the original question. However, if it is a monkey holding a magic wand, this may be a variation of the Hindu story of Hannuman, the mischievous and amoral Monkey God (aka Hanomon, Hanuman, Hawnuman, etc). Among his many tricks and pranks, Hannuman allowed himself to be captured by the evil Demon King, and taken in triumph to the depressing heart of his gloomy demonic kingdom. There, Hannuman played many tricks on the Demon and his minions, confusing and amusing and bewildering them, and thus delayed and frustrated their plans to take over the world. When he finally made his escape from the Demon king by confusing and outsmarting his captors, he took a burning torch along with him, and as he fled back and forth through the dark kingdom just ahead of the pursuing keystone cops-type demons, he burned down all the buildings, arsenals, weapons warehouses and prisons throughout the kingdom, further delaying the Demon King's plans to take over the world and to create Hell on earth. He brought light to dark places, and looked wherever his curiosity took him. I think all reference librarians have a little bit of the Monkey God Hannuman in us as part of our make-up! As a result of this action of bringing light to the gloom, Hannuman also takes the form of the English "Jack Frost," in that when the leaves change color with the seasons, the change in colors is ascribed to Hannuman's torch, rather than Old Jack Frost's paint brush and palette. Afterwards, when one of the woman gods bowed low to Hannuman in gratitude for his sacrifice and courage for allowing himself to be captured, the monkey neatly bent over and stole a jewel from her crown. (Hannuman is never impressed with dignity or rank!) Hannuman in many ways reflects all the ungodly human traits and foibles, as well as some of the good intentions and broad humor of humans. Hannuman most often is seen in art and representations while stealing a passion fruit, but that's another story. He certainly makes the Other World more enjoyable. The image you have may indicate Hannuman playing with the Demon King's wands or other magic tools, but I don't remember all the details from the first post, nor have I ever known all the Hannuman tales and legends. I do remember trading Bible stories for Hindu stories with a friend many years ago on a lazy afternoon in New Delhi. She was quite a tale spinner, and any inaccuracies in the story outlined above are probably mine. Lee Hadden ************************ R. Lee Hadden, Reference Librarian US Geological Survey Mail Stop 950, National Center Reston, VA 20192 TEL: (703) 648-6088 FAX: (703) 648-6373 rhadden@usgs.gov http://www.usgs.gov/library ************************* "The e-mail of the species is always more dangerous than the mail." - Science on T-Shirts ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:45:12 -0500 From: Dennis Lien <Dennis.K.Lien-1@tc.umn.edu> To: thomas.d.fuller@us.andersen.com, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Cc: md2@freenet.de Subj: %%% Re: % Kathinka Sutro-Schuecking At 08:46 AM 5/3/01 -0400, thomas.d.fuller@us.andersen.com wrote: > > >On the off chance you haven't thought of this, you might want to try to get in >touch with Dorothea Diver Stuecher, who wrote a book in 1990 called TWICE >REMOVED: THE EXPERIENCE OF GERMAN AMERICAN WOMEN WRITERS IN THE 19TH CENTURY, >ISBN 0-8204-1162-0, published by Peter Lang in New York, Berlin, Frankfurt/M, >and Paris; see > >http://db.genderinn.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/recherche/deutsch?w=tab&id=5767 > >The book is a study of your author, Therese Robinson, and Mathilde Anneke. > >Dennis Lien might be able to conjure up a contact address from his considerable >literary resources. (Are you there, Denny?) > >-- Tom No, I'm not there; I'm here... Dorothea Diver's address would seem to be: 1321 E. 8th Street Duluth MN 55805 phone 218 724-2736 I looked at her 1981 U of Minnesota thesis (an earlier version of her 1990 book) and noted a reference in dedication to her husband Uwe. This would almost certainly be Uwe Stuecher, a professor in the psychology dept. at U of Minnesota at Duluth (ustueche@d.umn.edu) who lives at 2114 Minnesota Avenue / Duluth MN 55802-2441 (phone 218 723-1975), according to Switchboard. Same address and phone also given for one Masumi Stuecher. Switchboard, as noted, lists a Dorothea Diver as living elsewhere in Duluth, so I presume they are divorced. I doubt that Ms. Diver would have location information to add for the books she could not find when she did her PhD or later when she revised it into TWICE REMOVED, but it probably would not hurt to ask--but requestor indicated he'd already tried and got no answer, so if the Diver he tried and the one I found are the same person, that's a dead end. (And even if they are not, it will probably prove a dead end.) Other than that, I doublechecked what I suspect are the same sources Matthew Gaskins would have already checked and found nothing. One that he might not have had is Martha Brodersen's GUIDE TO BOOK PUBLISHERS' ARCHIVES (1996), but they have no listing for Laird and Lee (nor does G. Thomas Tanselle, in his GUIDE TO THE STUDY OF UNITED STATES IMPRINTS, list any secondary sources for that publisher). They seem to have ceased business by early 1940s at latest, per dates of books by them in WorldCat. They may have become or sold assets to Albert Whitman & Company of Chicago, since their LAIRD & LEE'S STANDARD WEBSTER POCKET DICTIONARY was published by that firm in 1943. Albert Whitman Co. is still around: http://www.awhitmanco.com/ and are presumably worth contacting, though the trail is tenuous... Only other thoughts are tedious ones: aside from catalog by catalog checking of German libraries, or of American libraries that may not be represented in WorldCat, would be advertising in German-American periodicals such as Title: German American Journal SubTitle: deutsch-amerikaner Publication Type: Newspaper Status: Active Frequency: Monthly. ISSN: 0273-5261 Country: UnitedStates Language: Text in English, German Editor: Ed. Ernst Ott Subject(s) (click on subject to see a listing of other titles on PubList.com in that area): • SOCIAL SCIENCE / Ethnic Studies Circulation (Total): 10,000 Corporate Sponsor: German American National Congress Address: 4740 N Western Ave, Chicago, IL 60625 Phone: 312-275-1100 or Title: German American Genealogy Publication Type: Academic/Scholarly Publication Status: Active Frequency: Semi-Annually. Country: UnitedStates Language: Text in English Editor: Ed. Jean Nepsund Subject(s) (click on subject to see a listing of other titles on PubList.com in that area): • REFERENCE / Genealogy • SOCIAL SCIENCE / Ethnic Studies Circulation (Paid): 700 Special Features: Abstracting section Bibliographic section Charts Maps Corporate Sponsor: Immigrant Genealogical Society Address: PO Box 7369, Burbank, CA 91505-7369 Phone: 818-848-3122 Rights and Permissions: Jean Nepsund or contacting individually German-American clubs, historical societies, etc. as listed in such sources as ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Title: A Directory of German-American resources and organization. Published: [Washington, D.C.?] : German-American Contacts Staff, United States Information Agency, 1986. Description: 127 p. ; 22 cm. Subjects, Library of Congress (Use s=): German Americans--Societies, etc.--Directories. German American newspapers--United States--Directories. and Author: Buttlar, Lois, 1934- Title: Guide to information resources in ethnic museum, library, and archival collections in the United States / compiled by Lois J. Buttlar and Lubomyr R. Wynar. Published: Westport, Conn. : Greenwood Press, 1996. Description: xi, 369 p. ; 25 cm. Subjects, Library of Congress (Use s=): Ethnology--United States--Library resources--Directories. Ethnology--United States--Archival resources--Directories. Ethnological museums and collections--United States-- Directories. Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 11:52:18 -0400 (EDT) From: digiref@loc.gov To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Digital Reference and Bibliographic Control, at ALA FORUM ON DIGITAL REFERENCE AND BIBLIOGRAPHIC CONTROL AT ALA The Library of Congress and RUSA, the Reference and User Services Association of the American Library Association, will sponsor the LC/RUSA Forum on Digital Reference and Bibliographic Control: Options for Collaboration during the upcoming ALA Annual Conference in San Francisco. The forum will take place on Sunday, June 17, from 4:30 to 6:30 p.m. in the Dolores Room of the Grand Hyatt San Francisco. The program will address needs for bibliographic control of World Wide Web resources in library collections. Topics will include the uses made of CORC (OCLC's Cooperative Online Resource Catalog) by reference and cataloging librarians and a model for digital reference service, anytime, anywhere, to be provided by the Collaborative Digital Reference Service that is currently under development by LC and partner libraries. Intended as an opportunity for both public and technical services librarians, as well as other interested parties, to share their views on issues of mutual interest relating to the bibliographic control of World Wide Web resources in library collections, the forum is an outgrowth of a recommendation made at the Library of Congress Bicentennial Conference on Bibliographic Control for the New Millennium, held November 13-15, 2000, sponsored by the Cataloging Directorate. The forum will build on the momentum generated by the planning for the Collaborative Digital Reference Service. ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:12:31 -0700 From: "Winard, Nicole" <nwinard@seattleschools.org> To: 'Erie County Public Library' <reference@erielibrary.ecls.lib.pa.us>, Subj: RE: Song lyrics stumper I did not find the lyrics, however, the results of a google search incidcate that the song was performed by Florence Desmond. Lyrics seem to be by Leslie Julian Jones. HTH Nicole Winard Seattle Dear Follow Stumpers, I am looking for the lyrics to a WWII song, most likely British, called the 'Deepest Shelter in Town. The song was written by Florence Desmond. I believe that the song has something to do with the air raid shelters that were used by the British. I have checked the archives and other librarians have done Internet searches with no results. As always, thanks in advance. Terry Erie County Public Library ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:39:29 -0400 From: Louise Sullivan <lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org> To: cbrian@address.com Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: may 11, 1921 Chris, We do have the New York Times on microfilm. If you would like me to copy the front page from either May 11 or May 12, 1921, I can. However, I won't be able to do it until Monday. Louise Sullivan Reference Librarian Spokane Public Library At 09:40 AM 5/3/01 -0700, you wrote: >Looking for a source that would tell me what happened on may 11, 1921 . . . > >something like "this day in history," but it needs to be more specific (i.e., >it has to include exact month, day, and year). > >any Web sources that you can point me to would be appreciated. > >and, golly, I wish there was a Day by Day: the Twenties (there isn't is, >there?). > >Thanks! > >Chris > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Get Free Internet Access And WebEmail At http://www.address.com > Louise Sullivan Reference Librarian Spokane Public Library Ph: 509-444-5336 Fax: 509-444-5364 lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 13:42:47 -0400 (EDT) From: digiref@loc.gov To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Cooperative Reference - A Pioneering Venture WHERE'S THE BEST PLACE TO GET A QUESTION ANSWERED ON THE WEB? Wouldn't it be great if most people answered this question, "At the library!"? Services like AskJeeves, Northern Light, and Google proliferate, but how many of their users' questions are answered completely? Accurately? Wouldn't it be great if you could participate in a pioneering collaborative service that provides quality, authoritative reference service by professional reference librarians 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year? A service that will position your library as the first place your patrons turn to for quality information on the Internet. Now you can! The Library of Congress, OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc., and over 80 participating institutions are collaborating to make this vision a reality. LC and OCLC, at the forefront of library cooperation efforts for over three decades in shared cataloging and resource sharing, are now beginning a brand new era in cooperative reference services. The Collaborative Digital Reference Service (CDRS) is a pioneering new service that will provide professional reference service to researchers - anywhere, anytime - through an international, digital network of libraries and related institutions. Librarians will assist their users by connecting to the CDRS to send questions that are best answered by expert staff. A large searchable archive of previous questions and answers will also be available to CDRS users. For more information on how to become a founding member in this exciting project, go to <http://www.oclc.org/services/reference/cdrs.shtm > or <http://www.loc.gov/cdrs > Stop by the Library of Congress and OCLC booths at ALA Annual in San Francisco to learn more about CDRS and its information sessions during the conference. ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:45:24 -0400 From: Louise Sullivan <lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org> To: cci <cci@nlci.com> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?Words and Music for Three Songs Needed Thanks to John and everyone else who helped with this question. I apologize for the misspellings in this request. I was posting this question from a reference write-up from another librarian. Thanks again for the assistance. Louise Sullivan Reference Librarian At 01:14 PM 5/3/01 -0400, you wrote: >Louise: > >For all those of us who help search, please do ALL of us a favor. Please check the spelling >before you submit. > >1. The "Au Revoir..." that you want is in the Sibley Music Library. Ask them to fax you a >copy. > >2. Two names not spelled incorrectly: Albert von Tilzer & Edward Teschmacher. > >John Seonac >Music Reference West Lafayette PL >Fx: 765 463 5695 >cci@nlci.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Louise Sullivan" <lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org> >To: <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:15 AM >Subject: ?Words and Music for Three Songs Needed > > >> We have a customer who needs the words and music to the following: >> >> 1) Until (words and music by Jack Fulton and Bob Crosby, 1948. Recorded by >> Tommy Dorsey; vocal by Harry Prine). >> >> 2) Until (words by Edward Teschemescher, music by Wilfred Sanderson, 1918). >> >> 3) Au Revoir, but Not Goodbye, Soldier Boy (words by Lew Brown, music by >> Albert von Tilger, 1917). >> >> We have searched numerous song indices both in paper and on the Internet. >> We have found sites on the Internet that list the sheet music for songs #1 >> and #3 for sale but not the words or music. If anyone who has the words >> and music in their collection would be willing to fax it to us, we would be >> grateful. If that's not possible, if anyone is aware of a title that might >> include these songs, that also would be helpful. >> >> Thanks for the assistance. >> Louise Sullivan >> Reference Librarian >> Spokane Public Library >> Ph: 509-444-5336 >> Fax: 509-444-5364 >> lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org >> > > Louise Sullivan Reference Librarian Spokane Public Library Ph: 509-444-5336 Fax: 509-444-5364 lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 13:57:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Knox Koepke <rkoepke@wam.umd.edu> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: !Deepest Shelter in Town I had the song in my personal collection so I transcribed it for you. I hate to show my ignorance, but I'm not sure of the proper citation format for music. To further complicate things, the song is on a CD that is part of a 5-disc box set that itself is volume one in a two volume series. There were two places where I couldn't quite make out what was being sung. I've enclosed those words in parentheses and put what I thought was the best transcription first. Hope this helps. Robert Koepke ------------------------------- Songs That Won the War, vol. 1 (c1994, Stanyan Records; (P)1995, Delta Music, Inc.) Produced by Rod McKuen Disc 12-494, The Home Front "The Deepest Shelter in Town" (2:41) Florence Desmond from "A Friend of Bertha's" (W.W. Massie) Salvation Music Don't run away mister. Oh stay and play mister. Don't worry if you hear the sirens go. Though I'm not a lady of the highest virtue, I wouldn't dream of letting anything hurt you. And so before you go, I think you ought to know. I've got a cozy flat, there's a place for your hat. I'll wear a pink chiffon negligee gown. And do I know my stuff, but if that's not enough, I've got the deepest shelter in town. I've got a room for two, a radio that's new, an alarm clock that won't let you down. And I've got central heat, but to make it complete I've got the deepest shelter in town. Every modern comfort I can just guarantee. If you hear the siren call, then it's probably me. And sweetie (to revert) I'll keep you on the alert. I won't even be wearing a frown. So you can hang around here, until the all clear, in the deepest shelter in town. Now honey I don't (sing/think) of an (Anderson thing/Anderson sink), climbing in one you look like a clown. But if you came here to see, why Sir John would agree, I've got the deepest shelter in town. Now Mr. Morrison says he getting things done, and he's a man of the greatest renown. But before it gets wrecked, I hope you'll come and inspect, the deepest shelter in town. Now I was one of the first to clear my attic of junk, but when it comes to shelters, nowadays it's all bunk. So honey don't get scared, its there to be shared and you'll feel like a king with a crown. So please don't be mean, better men than you, have been in the deepest shelter in town, the neatest shelter, the deepest shelter in town. ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 13:10:04 -0500 From: Christine Rutherford <cruther@nwrl.lib.ia.us> To: Stumpers <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Poem ""The Beacon"" (Lighthouse Burned) Looking for text of a poem a patron believes is titled "The Beacon." The piece begins (says the patron), "Go seaward, son, and bear the light..." Seeker of the poems describes the piece as a narrative that involves a young man dispatched by his mother to light the lighthouse beacon to guide his sea-faring father home in a heavy fog. Unable to light the beacon itself, the boy sets the whole lighthouse ablaze as a bonfire to signal his father. (Sounds kinda Victorian to me). Please respond directly to: cruther@nwrl.lib.ia.us -- Christine Rutherford Reference & Internet Services Northwest Iowa Regional Library System P.O. Box 1319 Sioux City, Iowa 51102 Phone: 712-255-2939 X292 Fax: 712-252-3171 E-mail: cruther@nwrl.lib.ia.us Web: http://www.nwrl.lib.ia.us ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 14:11:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Kathy Heil <heil@cbl.umces.edu> To: Cc: stumpers <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: %Re: may 11, 1921 Many card stores used to have a product that you could insert someones birthdate and get "on this date in History" info. Does it still exist? __ 0 o \ 0 )___\ /^\/^\\ o 0 o \0 )____\__________/_\_//\ /\/ \_______________ \ o __________ )--- Kathleen Heil .:.:...:.__- O \ \o l CATCH ] )------ U. of Md., C.E.S - ( / ( . \| l answers l )--- - Chesapeake Biol.Lab (_/ ( ( :----/J l & reel l )----- Solomons, Md__20688-0038__(__(_______/ l__'m in__l )----/ (410)326-7287_____ ----- ( ) ____l l_____ )---/ Aquatic Sciences () Librarian III l ____ l )---/ E-mail: heil@cbl.umces.edu (410)326-7430(fax) l____________l ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 11:35:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Laurie Dunning <venref@rain.org> To: Christine Rutherford <cruther@nwrl.lib.ia.us> Cc: Stumpers <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: Poem ""The Beacon"" (Lighthouse Burned) According to Poemfinder, this is The Beacon-Light; a German legend by John Godfrey Saxe. Laurie Dunning Camarillo Library venref@rain.org ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 14:55:31 -0400 From: "Waters, Sally" <WATERS@law.stetson.edu> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: RE: Cooperative Reference - A Pioneering Venture >Librarians will assist >their users by connecting to the CDRS to send questions that are best >answered by expert staff. A large searchable archive of previous >questions and answers will also be available to CDRS users. Wow, this is really novel idea! Seriously....does this sound more than a bit familiar to anyone?? Sally Sally G. Waters, Queen of Reference / "Dignity. Stetson College of Law Library / Always dignity." St. Petersburg, FL / waters@law.stetson.edu / --- Don Lockwood http://www.law.stetson.edu/faculty/sally ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 14:09:08 -0500 From: Dennis Lien <Dennis.K.Lien-1@tc.umn.edu> To: Laurie Dunning <venref@rain.org>, Cc: Stumpers <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: % Poem ""The Beacon"" (Lighthouse Burned) At 11:35 AM 5/4/01 -0700, Laurie Dunning wrote: >According to Poemfinder, this is The Beacon-Light; a German legend by >John Godfrey Saxe. > > > >Laurie Dunning >Camarillo Library >venref@rain.org It's in Saxe's FABLES AND LEGENDS OF MANY COUNTRIES, RENDERED IN RHYME (1872) on pages 14-17 and in his THE POETICAL WORKS OF JOHN GODFREY SAXE (Houghton Mifflin, 1882; "Household Edition") on pp. 182-183, among (probably) other places. Can't find it on the Web, though; all of the Saxe in OnLine Book Pages and/or Making of America project is pre-1872. It's thirteen four-line stanzas; no time to type it in now, maybe later after I get a couple other projects out of way.... Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:22:31 -0400 From: "Thornlow, Bruce" <Thornlowb@ndu.edu> To: "'STUMPERS-L@CRF.CUIS.EDU'" <STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: ? Fr. Troop Strength - 1821 - 1850 Dear Librarians - A patron is seeking French Army troop numbers for the years 1750 - 1850. So far, I've found numbers from 1750 to 1820, but nothing beyond that. Can anyone help me with additional sources? I need years 1821 to 1850. Thank you, Bruce thornlowb@ndu.edu ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 04:01:09 +0800 From: timothypwee@nlb.gov.sg To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: monkey with magician's wand Worship of Hannuman went east to China as well and Monkey turns up in Chinese mythology as well. The novel 'Journey to the West' details how a monk sets out with several disciples, Monkey being one, to bring back Buddhist scriptures from India. Monkey is guarding the monk as penance for throwing Heaven into turmoil several centuries before (messed up just about everything and then went on to eat an entire crop of the peaches of longevity as well as the pills of immortality making him effectively unkillable). Monkey's weapon is an iron bar or staff used to shape the heavens (at least that's how I remember it). The staff changes size on demand and he usually keeps it behind his ear. It's not a wand - I've never heard him cast a spell with it but it is one heavy weapon! He seems to be the favoured spirit for mediums here in Singapore - which can make for rather interesting incidents given his mischievous nature. Regards, Timothy Pwee Librarian Information Packaging National Library Board Singapore ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 14:04:10 -0600 (MDT) From: McCarty Jennifer <mccartj@spot.colorado.edu> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: * Proactiv acne treament Thanks to Kate Wolicki, Anna Halbert, Louise Sullivan, Lynne Welch, Jeffie Nicholson, Donna Hesson, Jennifer Flint, and Karen Mahnk for their very helpful information about Proactiv acne treament. I appreciate all of the input I got from you, and grateful for some responses to Proactiv that are from some place other than Proactiv! As always, Stumpers comes to the rescue. Thanks. Jennifer ----------------------------- Jennifer E. McCarty Reference and Instruction Librarian University of Colorado at Boulder jennifer.mccarty@colorado.edu 303-492-8887 ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:12:10 -0500 (CDT) From: sakalasc@sls.lib.il.us To: stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subj: Poem in Italian dialect I'm looking for a poem in limerick form done in an Italian dialect. It's about a dying child lloking out of a window. Thinks it begins with, "Da little boy..." It appeared in the patron's HS literature text in the 60's in a Chicago Catholic school. Thanks, Cris Sakalas Research Librarian SLS Reference Service Tinley Park, IL 60477 ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:53:59 -0500 From: Dennis Lien <Dennis.K.Lien-1@tc.umn.edu> To: sakalasc@sls.lib.il.us, stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subj: %%% Re: Poem in Italian dialect At 03:12 PM 5/4/01 -0500, sakalasc@sls.lib.il.us wrote: >I'm looking for a poem in limerick form done in an Italian dialect. It's about >a dying child lloking out of a window. Thinks it begins with, "Da little >boy..." It appeared in the patron's HS literature text in the 60's in a Chicago >Catholic school. > >Thanks, >Cris Sakalas >Research Librarian >SLS Reference Service >Tinley Park, IL 60477 I don't know the poem, but the most prolific author of once-popular poems in Italian-American dialect is probably T.A. Daly (Thomas Augustine Daly, 1871-1948), whose poems have been asked about in Stumpers before. If you've got a collection of his poems handy, such as his 1936 SELECTED POEMS, that's a possible place to check. Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 16:58:19 -0400 From: David B G Kresh <dakr@loc.gov> To: stumpers-L@cuis.edu, sakalasc@sls.lib.il.us Subj: Re: Poem in Italian dialect Poems in Italian dialect usually turn out to be the work of T. A. (Thomas Augustine) Daly. If your patron is willing to give up the limerick form, this might be Daly's "Da Leetla Boy," which begins (and ends) with this stanza: "Da spreeng ees com'; but oh, da joy / Eet ees too late! / He was so cold, my leetla boy, / He no could wait." In between, the boy is sick in the winter and keeps asking when spring will come. One day he looks out the window and sees a neighbor girl open her window and put out a flowerpot. This gives the boy hope, but that night snow covers the flowerpot and the boy (of course) dies. (Just to jerk an additional tear or two, the flowers were forget-me-not.) Plugging "leetla boy" into www.google.com will get you the full text. If this is not what you need, let me know and I'll look further on Monday (Daly wrote a lot). David Kresh Humanities & Social Sciences Division Library of Congress dakr@loc.gov >>> <sakalasc@sls.lib.il.us> 05/04 4:12 PM >>> I'm looking for a poem in limerick form done in an Italian dialect. It's about a dying child lloking out of a window. Thinks it begins with, "Da little boy..." It appeared in the patron's HS literature text in the 60's in a Chicago Catholic school. Thanks, Cris Sakalas Research Librarian SLS Reference Service Tinley Park, IL 60477 ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 17:53:13 -0500 From: Dennis Lien <Dennis.K.Lien-1@tc.umn.edu> To: Laurie Dunning <venref@rain.org>, Cc: Stumpers <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: % Poem ""The Beacon"" (Lighthouse Burned) At 02:09 PM 5/4/01 -0500, Dennis Lien wrote: >At 11:35 AM 5/4/01 -0700, Laurie Dunning wrote: >>According to Poemfinder, this is The Beacon-Light; a German legend by >>John Godfrey Saxe. >> >> >> >>Laurie Dunning >>Camarillo Library >>venref@rain.org > > >It's in Saxe's FABLES AND LEGENDS OF MANY COUNTRIES, RENDERED IN RHYME >(1872) on pages 14-17 and in his THE POETICAL WORKS OF JOHN GODFREY >SAXE (Houghton Mifflin, 1882; "Household Edition") on pp. 182-183, among >(probably) other places. Can't find it on the Web, though; all of the >Saxe in OnLine Book Pages and/or Making of America project is pre-1872. >It's thirteen four-line stanzas; no time to type it in now, maybe later >after I get a couple other projects out of way.... > >Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu THE BEACON-LIGHT A German Legend I. "Go seaward, son, and bear a light!" Up spoke the sailor's wife; "Thy father sails this stormy night In peril of his life! II. "His ship that sailed to foreign lands This hour may heave in sight; O, should it wreck upon the sands! Go, son, and bear a light!" III. He lights a torch and seaward goes; Naught boots the deed, I doubt; The rain it rains, the wind it blows; And soon the light goes out. IV. The boy comes back: "O mother dear! Bid me not go again; No torch can live, 't is very clear, Before the wind and rain!" V. "No sailor's blood has thou, I trow, To fear a stormy night; Let rains descend, let tempests blow! Go, son, and bear a light!" VI. Once more he lights the torch, and goes Toward the foaming main; The rain it rains, the wind it blows; Out goest the torch again! VII. The boy comes back: "O mother dear! The storm puts out the light; The night is drear, and much I fear The woman dressed in white!" VIII. "No sailor's blood hast thou, I trow, To tremble thus before A mermaid's face,--take heart of grace, And seek again the shore!" IX. The boys come back: "O mother dear! Go thou unto the strand; My father's voice I sure did hear In tones of stern command!" X. And now the mother lights the torch; And see! the kindling rays Have caught the thatch! from roof to porch The hut is all ablaze! XI. "What hast thou done?" the urchin cries; "O piteous sight to see! Cold is the night; O wretched plight! Nor house nor home have we!" XII. "No sailor's blood hast thou, I wis. When torches fail to burn, A blazing hovel--such as this-- May serve as good a turn!" XIII. Joy to the silor! see! he clears The shoals on either hand Thanks to the light! and now he steers In safety to the land! Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 21:52:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Lesley Knieriem <lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us> To: timothypwee@nlb.gov.sg Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: %% monkey with magician's wand And for a case of extreme topic drift, the Monkey King character in _Journey to the West_ is the inspiration for the character of Son Gokku, hero of the mega-popular Japanese manga and anime, _Dragonball_. And there is a "Turtle-hermit", but no turkeys or peacocks there, afaik, unless you really stretch your interpretation of the characters. On Sat,5 May 2001 timothypwee@nlb.gov.sg wrote: > > Worship of Hannuman went east to China as well and Monkey turns up in Chinese > mythology as well. The novel 'Journey to the West' details how a monk sets out > with several disciples, Monkey being one, to bring back Buddhist scriptures from > India. Monkey is guarding the monk as penance for throwing Heaven into turmoil > several centuries before (messed up just about everything and then went on to > eat an entire crop of the peaches of longevity as well as the pills of > immortality making him effectively unkillable). > > Monkey's weapon is an iron bar or staff used to shape the heavens (at least > that's how I remember it). The staff changes size on demand and he usually keeps > it behind his ear. It's not a wand - I've never heard him cast a spell with it > but it is one heavy weapon! > > He seems to be the favoured spirit for mediums here in Singapore - which can > make for rather interesting incidents given his mischievous nature.> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Lesley Knieriem ~ ~ YA / Reference Librarian (631) 549-4411 ~ ~ South Huntington Public Library fax (631) 549-6832 ~ ~ Huntington Station, NY 11746 lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us ~ ~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ ~ Nunc adeamus bibliothecam, non illam quidem multis instructam ~ ~ libris, sed exquisitis. -- Erasmus ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 23:25:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Reference <ref_lib@yahoo.com> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: *Thanks re: Proper etiquette at a mausoleum dedication Thank you Robert for your response. I passed it along to the patron along with "how to conduct a ribbon-cutting ceremony" from ehow and the phone nos. of national and state funerary directors' associations from the Encyclopedia of Associations. Thanks again Barb ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 07:11:39 -0400 From: Cindy Vallar <cindy@cindyvallar.com> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: ? Women Prisoners of War circa War of 1812 I've been asked a question that I'm unable to answer and thought perhaps my fellow librarians might at least be able to direct me to resources where I might locate the answer if not the answer itself. I'm off-list since my retirement, so I'd appreciate it if any answers could be posted to me privately in addition to the list. During the War of 1812, when a naval vessel was captured by the enemy (either British or American), what happened to the women (usually wives who sailed with their husbands) who became prisoners of war? Were they put in prison, kept under "house arrest," permitted to return home without their husbands, or released to make their own way in the world? The only answer I've found so far came from David Cordingly's "Women Sailors & Sailors' Women" and that involved a woman posing as a sailor who revealed her sex after capture and asked to be sent home to America. Any help you can give on this will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cindy Vallar -- Cindy Vallar, cindy@cindyvallar.com Author of The Scottish Thistle More succinctly told than Diane Gabaldon with more sympathetic and believable characters, fans of Nigel Tranter will enjoy this one. Highly recommended! - Rachel Hyde, Myshelf.com http://www.cindyvallar.com ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 09:28:52 -0400 From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: !Alaskan poet [for the Archives] On Apr. 22, I posted a question about a contemporary Alaskan poet. He wrote "Cheechako's Dream" and "The Cabin Door." He was a harbor boat pilot, his wife was an artist, and he lost a son at sea in Cook's Inlet. The book in which the poems appear also had stories about his life. I contacted the Alaska State Library and received this message from Mary Anne Siemmons: "The book your patron recalls is called 'Islands of Experience' by Dean Nichols. There is only 1 issue in Juneau and it is in the closed stacks of our Historical Collections." Mary Anne's suggestion was correct, and the patron was very appreciative. Sorry it took me so long to post the correct answer. Ted Nesbitt West Liberty State College, WV __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 11:48:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Montgomery Phair <mphair@bcpl.net> To: Cindy Vallar <cindy@cindyvallar.com> Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Women Prisoners of War circa War of 1812 I am not at my ususal workplace today, and do not have my usual 1812 resources at hand. A good source to begin with is David Stephen Heidler's <Encyclopedia of the War of 1812.> published by ABC-CLIO in 1997. But another good source follows: A noted historian of that period, Donald R. Hickey, states... "...the administration had to deal with another vexing problem. This was the treatment of prisoners of war. Although there was no international agreement on the subject, warfare in this era was carefully limited and highly professional, and each nation professed to favor humane treatment. The precedents, however, were vague, and prisoners on both sides complained of crowded, cold, and dirty housing, foul rations, and physical abuse. Since officers were considered gentlemen, they received special treatment. Most were given the freedom of a town or larger area, and some were sent home on extended parole, with the understanding that they would not fight again until officially exchanged. Members of the militia were sometimes sent home too, because they were considered part-time soldiers. Enlisted men, on the other hand, were usually confined until they were actually exchanged..." "...in principle men captured at sea were treated the same as those taken on land. Although the United States adhered to this principle, Great Britain did not. The British detained American seamen trapped in England by the war as well as those serving in the Royal Navy even though neither group qualified as prisoners of war. To deter privateering, the British also refused to exchange anyone taken from a privateer with fewer than 14 guns. In addition, the British treated all maritime prisoners harshly, perhaps to show them the folly of making war on the Mistress of the Seas. At first both sides adopted liberal parole policies for trooops captured on the Canadian-American frontier, but this changed when a dispute arose over the treatment of prisoners of doubtful nationality. In the Battle of Queenston (fought in October of 1812), the British captured a large number of American soldiers, including 23- mostly Irishmen-who had been born in the British Isles. Although some of these men were naturalized American citizens and others had lived in the United States for years, Royal officials considered them British subjects. They were consequently clamped in irons and shipped to England to be tried for treason. The United States responded by ordering 23 British prisoners held in close confinement as hostages, and the British retaliated by confining 46 American officers and NCO's. Retaliation continued on both sides, and by early 1814 all officers held as prisoners in the New World found themselves in close confinement, with the threat of retaliatory execution hanging over their heads. Ultimately, good sense prevailed on both sides, and none of the confined prisoners was harmed. But this incident was not unique. On a number of occasions British officials learned that American prisoners they held had been born in the British Isles and threatened to try them for treason. In each case, the prospect of American retaliation forced them to relent." pp.85-86 (see also pp. 88 & 107) Hickey, Donald R. The War of 1812: A Short History Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1995 One would hope that in that "Romantic" and regulated age (see Jane Austen), women would be granted special treatment under such circumstances, but much would depend on the location of capture, and the character (or its absence) of the capturing officer. Montgomery Phair Volunteer Reference Librarian, Historical Interpreter Information & Resources Coordinator Fort McHenry National- Randallstown Area Library Monument & Historic Shrine Baltimore County Public Library Fort McHenry Guard "Better an equable person than a hero, someone with self-mastery than one who takes a city." -Proverbs of Solomon ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 11:59:05 -0400 From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?Two poems Does anyone recognize either of these two? 1. Poem that "is a chronology of the human development cycle," except it is told from a woman's point of view. Patron thinks each line begins with the words "Waiting for . . . ." First read by patron in the 1970s. She thinks some lines are "Waiting for my child to be born . . ." and "Waiting for my milk to dry up . . ." 2. Poem with possible title "The Vessel and the Rose." Patron thinks the poem is "lengthy, famous, and by a male author." It is about the incompleteness of the "vessel" and the "rose" by themselves, but together they are complete. The usual sources, beginning with Grangers, have been explored. I've googled these to death. Final question: Why do people want to know what they heard or read thirty years ago? I used to get a number of requests from a state senator who wanted a copy of an article he read a couple of months ago, which meant it was published within the last two years. He never wanted the article when he had it in his hand . . . only later. I presented him with a pair of scissors. It had never occurred to him that he could clip an article before he tossed the paper. Thanks for any help on these. Ted Nesbitt West Liberty State College, WV __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 09:30:35 -0700 From: Gilles Poitras <gilles@exploratorium.edu> To: Lesley Knieriem <lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: %% monkey with magician's wand At 9:52pm -0400 5/4/01, Lesley Knieriem wrote: >And for a case of extreme topic drift, the Monkey King character in >_Journey to the West_ is the inspiration for the character of Son Gokku, >hero of the mega-popular Japanese manga and anime, _Dragonball_. The complete _Journey to the West_ is available in an annoted edition published by the University of Chicago. I was trying to avoid posting about _Dragonball_ as part of my normal "avoid boring people about anime and manga" discipline. But since Lesley has brought it up I'll add the private eye Goku from the delightfully in bad taste Midnight Eye Goku manga and anime (two of the anime are available in English) by Buichi Terasawa. This Goku also has a staff, but it is a high tech version. Gilles Poitras gilles@exploratorium.edu Learning Studio, Exploratorium Museum ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 10:16:19 -0700 From: Reed C Bowman <hammerquill@earthlink.net> To: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?Two poems First one is "Waiting" by Faith Wilding. Found by google at http://www.wam.umd.edu/~eborja/waiting.html (background makes it all but impossible to read - recommend cutting and pasting it somewhere.) RCB tedjnesbitt@netscape.net wrote: > > Does anyone recognize either of these two? > > 1. Poem that "is a chronology of the human development cycle," except it > is told from a woman's point of view. Patron thinks each line begins > with the words "Waiting for . . . ." First read by patron in the 1970s. > She thinks some lines are "Waiting for my child to be born . . ." and > "Waiting for my milk to dry up . . ." > > 2. Poem with possible title "The Vessel and the Rose." Patron thinks > the poem is "lengthy, famous, and by a male author." It is about the > incompleteness of the "vessel" and the "rose" by themselves, but together > they are complete. > > The usual sources, beginning with Grangers, have been explored. I've > googled these to death. > > Final question: Why do people want to know what they heard or read > thirty years ago? I used to get a number of requests from a state > senator who wanted a copy of an article he read a couple of months ago, > which meant it was published within the last two years. He never wanted > the article when he had it in his hand . . . only later. I presented him with a pair of scissors. It had never occurred to him that he could > clip an article before he tossed the paper. > > Thanks for any help on these. > > Ted Nesbitt > West Liberty State College, WV > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 13:22:29 -0400 From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net To: hammerquill@earthlink.net Cc: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?Two poems Thanks, Reed. That's it exactly. Please share your google search. Ted Reed C Bowman <hammerquill@earthlink.net> wrote: > > First one is "Waiting" by Faith Wilding. Found by google at > http://www.wam.umd.edu/~eborja/waiting.html > (background makes it all but impossible to read - recommend cutting and > pasting it somewhere.) > > RCB > > > tedjnesbitt@netscape.net wrote: > > > > Does anyone recognize either of these two? > > > > 1. Poem that "is a chronology of the human development cycle," except it > > is told from a woman's point of view.  Patron thinks each line begins > > with the words "Waiting for . . . ."  First read by patron in the 1970s. > > She thinks some lines are "Waiting for my child to be born . . ." and > > "Waiting for my milk to dry up . . ." > > > > 2. Poem with possible title "The Vessel and the Rose."  Patron thinks > > the poem is "lengthy, famous, and by a male author."  It is about the > > incompleteness of the "vessel" and the "rose" by themselves, but together > > they are complete. > > > > The usual sources, beginning with Grangers, have been explored.  I've > > googled these to death. > > > > Final question:  Why do people want to know what they heard or read > > thirty years ago?  I used to get a number of requests from a state > > senator who wanted a copy of an article he read a couple of months ago, > > which meant it was published within the last two years.  He never wanted > > the article when he had it in his hand . . . only later.  I presented him with a pair of scissors.  It had never occurred to him that he could > > clip an article before he tossed the paper. > > > > Thanks for any help on these. > > > > Ted Nesbitt > > West Liberty State College, WV > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 16:04:27 +0200 From: =?UNKNOWN?Q?F=F6rlaget?= Bokverket <info@bokverket.com> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: ? Possible murders In a great book I'm translating into Swedish, somewhat slangy, yet paraphrasing William Congreve... 'Woman did it to Sam Cooke', she threw in. 'Woman took down James Brown. Hell hath no fury like the woman when she know you been sticking it somewhere else." Anybody knows who these two referenced guys were, and if they were "done in" by women? Sincerely, Goran, in Stockholm, Sweden info@bokverket.com ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 22:44:28 +0200 From: =?UNKNOWN?Q?F=F6rlaget?= Bokverket <info@bokverket.com> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: ? Possible murders In a great book I'm translating into Swedish, somewhat slangy, yet paraphrasing William Congreve... 'Woman did it to Sam Cooke', she threw in. 'Woman took down James Brown. Hell hath no fury like the woman when she know you been sticking it somewhere else." Anybody knows who these two referenced guys were, and if they were "done in" by women? Sincerely, Goran, in Stockholm, Sweden info@bokverket.com ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 17:21:41 -0400 From: Lois Aleta Fundis <lfundis@weir.net> To: =?UNKNOWN?Q?F=F6rlaget?= Bokverket <info@bokverket.com> Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Possible murders At 10:04 AM 05/05/2001, =?UNKNOWN?Q?F=F6rlaget?= Bokverket wrote: >In a great book I'm translating into Swedish, somewhat slangy, yet >paraphrasing William Congreve... > >'Woman did it to Sam Cooke', she threw in. 'Woman took down James >Brown. Hell hath no fury like the woman when she know you been >sticking it somewhere else." > >Anybody knows who these two referenced guys were, and if they were >"done in" by women? Sam Cooke was a great African-American gospel and later soul/rhythm and blues singer of the late 1950s and early '60s. He was shot to death December 11, 1964, by the manager of a hotel in Los Angeles. The details of the incident remain rather murky, and a look through several rock histories I have and several web sites I found on him via Google did not do much to clear the murkiness up. I do, however, have a vague recollection of hearing that a woman was involved in the dispute that led to the shooting. James Brown is still alive. He is also a great r'n'b singer, nicknamed "the Godfather of Soul" and "Soul Brother #1". He has been in trouble with the law but I don't recall and can't confirm that a woman had anything to do with any of it. This may not convince the character in your story, though. http://www.funky-stuff.com/jamesbrown/biography.htm contains what seems to be a fairly complete chronology/biography of him, and no such incident is mentioned. -- ^~~~~^ Lois lfundis@weir.net 0 0 http://www.geocities.com/loisnotlane/index.html \/ Calvin: "What's the point of a propeller beanie if you can't even fly when you wear it?!" -- Bill Watterson, March 18, 1989 http://www.calvinandhobbes.com/index.html ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 17:27:53 -0400 From: Dan Clinton <dlclinton@hotmail.com> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=F6rlaget_Bokverket?= <info@bokverket.com>, Subj: Re: ? Possible murders Two rock and roll legends. Cooke is dead, I believe. Brown is still around and performing. I don't know what the author is referring to, but their stories are pretty public.It shoudln't be too difficult to find out. As far as cheatin' on their women is concerned, it wouldn't surprise me, but "done in" sounds like hyperbole. Certainly, done in does not apply to Mr. Brown in the funereal sense. Dan Clinton / US Mint / Washington DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Förlaget Bokverket <info@bokverket.com> To: <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 4:44 PM Subject: ? Possible murders > In a great book I'm translating into Swedish, somewhat slangy, yet > paraphrasing William Congreve... > > 'Woman did it to Sam Cooke', she threw in. 'Woman took down James > Brown. Hell hath no fury like the woman when she know you been > sticking it somewhere else." > > Anybody knows who these two referenced guys were, and if they were > "done in" by women? > > Sincerely, > Goran, in Stockholm, Sweden > info@bokverket.com > > ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 16:44:16 -0500 From: Sam Shipley <iyam@trails.net> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?Pascal and Diderot Quotes -- Need Translations in French? Have two quotations rendered in English which I need to have translated into French (which is the original language they were written in): 1. From Pascal: "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." and 2. From Diderot, "The Baroque is the ridiculous carried to an [or the] extreme." Thank you, ////////////////////////// Sam Shipley Reference Dodge City Public Library 1001 Second Avenue Dodge City, KS 67801 phone: 1-800-657-2533 fax: 316-225-0252 e-mail: iyam@trails.net ////////////////////////// ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 17:38:33 -0400 From: Lois Aleta Fundis <lfundis@weir.net> To: Lois Aleta Fundis <lfundis@weir.net> Cc: =?UNKNOWN?Q?F=F6rlaget?= Bokverket <info@bokverket.com>, STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Possible murders At 05:21 PM 05/05/2001, Lois Aleta Fundis wrote: >Sam Cooke was a great African-American gospel and later soul/rhythm and blues singer of the late 1950s and early '60s. He was shot to death December 11, 1964, by the manager of a hotel in Los Angeles. The details of the incident remain rather murky, and a look through several rock histories I have and several web sites I found on him via Google did not do much to clear the murkiness up. I do, however, have a vague recollection of hearing that a woman was involved in the dispute that led to the shooting. I looked again and found this paragraph from _Rock of Ages: The History of Rock & Roll_ by Ed Ward et al. (New York: Rolling Stone Press, 1986), page 290. It's as complete a description of the event as I ever recall having heard or read. . . . Sam Cooke, whose summertime Copa appearance had been celebrated with a seventy-foot Times Square billboard, checked into a Los Angeles motel with a young woman named Elisa Boyer. They registered, though Cooke was married to someone else, as Mr. and Mrs. Cooke, and went into a motel room where, Boyer would later testify, Cooke began to rip her clothes off. She escaped, carrying most of his clothes with her, and fled to call the police from a telephone booth. Cooke, dressed in a sport coat and shoes, chased her and began pounding at the motel manager's door, eventually breaking in on the 55-year old manager, Bertha Franklin. She shot him three times with a .22 revolver, and when he kept coming at her, took up a heavy walking stick and began clubbing him. He was dead when the police arrived. -- ^~~~~^ Lois lfundis@weir.net 0 0 http://www.geocities.com/loisnotlane/index.html \/ Calvin: "What's the point of a propeller beanie if you can't even fly when you wear it?!" -- Bill Watterson, March 18, 1989 http://www.calvinandhobbes.com/index.html ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 21:43:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Tmmather@aol.com To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: ?The Whiffenpoof Song --Boundary_(ID_iT77sIgPClrjWxVJkamIvA) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Looking for info on all references to names and places in the Whiffenpoof song. Specifically "Mory's", "Temple Bar", and who is "Louie?" --Boundary_(ID_iT77sIgPClrjWxVJkamIvA) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: BASE64 PEhUTUw+PEZPTlQgRkFDRT1hcmlhbCxoZWx2ZXRpY2E+PEZPTlQgIFNJWkU9Mj5M b29raW5nIGZvciBpbmZvIG9uIGFsbCByZWZlcmVuY2VzIHRvIG5hbWVzIGFuZCBw bGFjZXMgaW4gdGhlIFdoaWZmZW5wb29mIA0KPEJSPnNvbmcuICZuYnNwO1NwZWNp ZmljYWxseSAiTW9yeSdzIiwgIlRlbXBsZSBCYXIiLCBhbmQgd2hvIGlzICJMb3Vp ZT8iPC9GT05UPjwvSFRNTD4NCg== --Boundary_(ID_iT77sIgPClrjWxVJkamIvA)-- ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 23:13:56 -0400 From: David Klappholz <d.klappholz@worldnet.att.net> To: Tmmather@aol.com Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?The Whiffenpoof Song --Boundary_(ID_VreDr6Wqa8oUCW6VHse36w) Content-type: text/plain >Looking for info on all references to names and places in the Whiffenpoof >song. Specifically "Mory's" Mory's (sp?) is a pub on the Yale campus; still exists; ate there a few years ago. Temple Bar was a masonry gate/entrance to the City of London; the masonry work was moved to a London suburb in the early 20th century. (If there's another Temple Bar in New Haven, I don't know about it. There is a point along Lake Mead named Temple Bar; probably because of a rock formation that looks like the original Temple Bar.) Don't know Louie. 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Then my browser crashed. Mary Lou White The Washington Post News Research On Sat, 5 May 2001, Tmmather@aol.com wrote: > Looking for info on all references to names and places in the Whiffenpoof > song. Specifically "Mory's", "Temple Bar", and who is "Louie?" > ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 01:04:44 -0400 From: "Peter T. Prunka" <pprunka@prunka.com> To: Tmmather@aol.com, STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: RE:!!The Whiffenpoof Song This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_gOBCHCrUL9y4j6Oi7ZtQJQ) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The Whiffenpoof Song is a parody of a Rudyard Kipling poem called "Gentlemen-Rankers," which contains the same chorus of lamb bleats. The Whiffenpoof itself is a creature from Victor Herbert's "Little Nemo." A picture of the Cracker jack toy representation may be found here: http://pw1.netcom.com/~jeepers/woof.html "Mory's" is, indeed a tavern/restaurant near the campus. "The place where Louie dwells" is Mory's. "Louie" was the proprietor, Louis Linder. "The "Temple Bar" is actually another name for Mory's, which was situated in 10-0 at the corner of Temple and Crown Streets. The reference to the Temple Bar is apparently deliberate. Source: a cached Yale page (no longer extant) available through Google at: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.yale.edu/whiffenpoofs/history.html+ whiffenpoof+nemo&hl=en Peter T. Prunka TGW Computer Solutions -----Original Message----- From: Tmmather@aol.com [mailto:Tmmather@aol.com] Looking for info on all references to names and places in the Whiffenpoof song. Specifically "Mory's", "Temple Bar", and who is "Louie?" --Boundary_(ID_gOBCHCrUL9y4j6Oi7ZtQJQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">=0D= =0A<HTML><HEAD>=0D=0A<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/= html; charset=3Dus-ascii">=0D=0A<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4613.170= 0" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD>=0D=0A<BODY>=0D=0A<DIV><SPAN class=3D59214= 4304-06052001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The =0D= =0AWhiffenpoof Song is a parody of a Rudyard Kipling poem called = =0D=0A"Gentlemen-Rankers," which contains the same chorus of lamb ble= ats. The =0D=0AWhiffenpoof itself is a creature from Victor Herbert's= "Little Nemo." 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Prunka</FONT></SPAN></DIV>=0D=0A<DIV><SPAN class=3D592144304= -06052001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>TGW =0D=0ACompu= ter Solutions</FONT></SPAN></DIV>=0D=0A<DIV><SPAN class=3D592144304-0= 6052001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =0D=0Asize=3D2></FONT></SP= AN>&nbsp;</DIV>=0D=0A<BLOCKQUOTE>=0D=0A <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageH= eader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTahoma =0D=0A size=3D2>---= --Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tmmather@aol.com =0D=0A [mai= lto:Tmmather@aol.com]<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetic= a><FONT =0D=0A size=3D2>Looking for info on all references to names = and places in the =0D=0A Whiffenpoof <BR>song. &nbsp;Specifically "M= ory's", "Temple Bar", and who is =0D=0A "Louie?"</FONT> </FONT></BLO= CKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>=0D=0A= --Boundary_(ID_gOBCHCrUL9y4j6Oi7ZtQJQ)-- ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 22:10:24 -0800 From: Karen Weiss <kathwe@rain.org> To: Tmmather@aol.com, stumpers list <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ?The Whiffenpoof Song Tmmather@aol.com wrote: > > Looking for info on all references to names and places in the > Whiffenpoof > song. Specifically "Mory's", "Temple Bar", and who is "Louie?" I found this information: Mory's "Private dining club. Was invited to eat there once. It is located behind the Sterling Library on York Street. Green door with small Mory's sign in brass." (Charles "Chick" Sheehan) "I don't know of any special significance to the green door at Mory's, although it might remind one of the club's famous "green cup," an alcoholic punch with champagne and creme de menthe that is served in a giant trophy cup and passed around the table to much merriment. Mory's is at 306 York Street, between Elm and Wall and across from Sterling Library, while Skull and Bones is on High Street between Chapel and Elm. The "Louie" in the Whiffenpoof Song was Louis Linder, the proprietor of Mory's at the time the Whiffenpoofs were founded there in 1908 or so." (Mark Branch, Editor, YAM....Yale Alumni Magazine) URL: http://www.freespeech.org/dash2/WCW_Pages_YaleIfelPhotos/yale_ifel_photos_10.html Additional information: Mory's: a traditional venue By Sheela V. Pai One of the oldest and most exclusive traditions at Yale is Mory's Temple Bar, a private dining club on York Street. Established in 1861, the members-only club is built on tradition. Portraits of Yale team captains from years past decorate the walls, and generations of old names are carved into the wooden tables. The jacket and tie club offers both alumni and undergraduate members a varied, but expensive menu. The Mory's dining experience, however, is unique due to the weekly a capella performances by Yale's best singing groups. The Whiffenpoofs, a senior all-male singing group established in 1908, mention "the tables down at Mory's" in "The Whiffenpoof Song" and perform there Monday nights, as does another all-male singing group, the Society of Orpheus and Bacchus, on Tuesdays. URL: http://yaleherald.com/archive/frosh/1997/frosh97/mory.html There was an article in the Yale Alumni Magazine, not long ago, on how the Whiffenpoof Song was composed. Unfortunately, our copy of the article is at work, waiting to be placed in our files. I found these sites using Google with search terms "whiffenpoof louie" and "whiffenpoof temple bar". --Karen Weiss Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Tel: (805)963-1397 Fax: (805)962-1840 "We look for things."--Grebnedlog in "Star Trek: The Next Generation", "Samaritan Snare" episode ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 01:23:04 -0400 From: "Dennis J. Cunniff" <dcunniff@bellatlantic.net> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: %The Whiffenpoof Song Mory's is a 'private dining club' at Yale, and was founded, either in 1849 or 1861, when Frank & Jane Moriarty opened a Tap Room on Wooster St. in New Haven, CT. Frank died, Jane continued on until her death in 1885, when waiter Edward G. Oakley became proprietor. On Oakley's death, Louis Linder took over and renamed the place "Mory's" in honor of its founders. It became known as "Mory's Temple Bar" because (at that time) it was on Temple Street, and at some point the name became 'official'. It has moved three times (at the time of the founding of the Whiffenpoofs in 1909 it was on the corner of Temple and Crown streets) and is now at 306 York Street in New Haven. It is still called Mory's Temple Bar despite its move to York Street. So: Mory's is/was the Temple Bar, and Louis was Louis Linder. The Whiffenpoof Song's actual composers/lyricists remain mysterious (theories abound), but the lyrics are a paraphrase/parody/adaptation of (parts of) Kipling's 'Gentleman Rankers'. Dennis J. Cunniff ====================== Mory's Locations (not necessarily in order, and I haven't found the dates when it moved): [1] Wooster Street [2] corner of Temple & Center Streets [3] corner of Temple & Crown Streets [4] 306 York Street ======================= > From: Tmmather@aol.com > To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu > Subj: ?The Whiffenpoof Song > Looking for info on all references to names and places in the Whiffenpoof > song. Specifically "Mory's", "Temple Bar", and who is "Louie?" ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 00:10:01 -0700 From: Michael D Caricofe <heldntenor@juno.com> To: pprunka@prunka.com Cc: Tmmather@aol.com, STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Terminology (was !!The Whiffenpoof Song) Forgive me if this seems nitpicky or rhetorical, but if a page is accessible through a search engine, isn't that (by definition) extant? On Sun, 06 May 2001 01:04:44 -0400 "Peter T. Prunka" <pprunka@prunka.com> writes: <snip> > Source: a cached Yale page (no longer extant) available through > Google at: > http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.yale.edu/whiffenpoofs/history.ht ml+ > whiffenpoof+nemo&hl=en Michael Caricofe Pain is simply a reminder that we are still alive. Smile and go on. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 01:57:55 -0600 From: "T.F. Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: Terminology (was !!The Whiffenpoof Song) On 6 May 01, at 0:10, Michael D Caricofe wrote: > Forgive me if this seems nitpicky or rhetorical, but if a page is > accessible through a search engine, isn't that (by definition) extant? No. As Peter noted (below), the no longer extant page (or recently moved and not yet indexed by the search engine) was cached at the Google site (note the URL). This is one of the particularly nice features of Google. > On Sun, 06 May 2001 01:04:44 -0400 "Peter T. Prunka" writes: > Source: a cached Yale page (no longer extant) available through > Google at: > http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.yale.edu/whiffenpoofs/history.ht > ml+whiffenpoof+nemo&hl=en T.F. Mills wombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado, USA) Stumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net The Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!" ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 04:18:09 -0400 From: "Peter T. Prunka" <pprunka@prunka.com> To: Michael D Caricofe <heldntenor@juno.com> Cc: Tmmather@aol.com, STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: RE: Terminology (was !!The Whiffenpoof Song) Considering that my usual nom on the Net is The Old Curmudgeon, your nit is well picked. The page is not extant in its original format. Google warehouses a significant portion of the content of the Net in cached format, without updates and often without images that have been moved or removed. Thus, it is possible to obtain some, but not necessarily all, of the information presented on the original site. Therefore, the data are partially extant. The original URL does not deliver data and the page as presented is NOT extant. Obiter dictum - there is a significant number of persons who believe that the presentation of this material by Google is a violation of the copyright of the site owner or creator. Inasmuch as the material is not presented in its original format or in its entirety, there is certainly an issue of moral copyright. But that would be SERIOUS topic drift.... Peter -----Original Message----- From: Michael D Caricofe [mailto:heldntenor@juno.com] Forgive me if this seems nitpicky or rhetorical, but if a page is accessible through a search engine, isn't that (by definition) extant? ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 07:07:24 -0400 From: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com> To: David Klappholz <d.klappholz@worldnet.att.net> Cc: Tmmather@aol.com, STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?The Whiffenpoof Song At 11:13 PM 5/5/2001 -0400, David Klappholz wrote: >Temple Bar was a masonry gate/entrance to the City of London; the masonry >work was moved to a London suburb in the early 20th century. (If there's >another Temple Bar in New Haven, I don't know about it. There is a point >along Lake Mead named Temple Bar; probably because of a rock formation >that looks like the original Temple Bar.) I've seen Temple Bar in its new setting. It was moved because it was too narrow for modern traffic. From memory, I think it's stone. It was part of the city wall. The City of London, aka the square mile, is approximately the area of the Roman walled city. IIRC the wall still had some defensive value at the time of England's Civil War (the second quarter of the 17th century). David ib David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 09:03:40 -0400 From: John Ronan <JRONAN@NSCC.MASS.EDU> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: RADAR ETC A faculty member working on a documentary asks for three items:=0D= =0A=0D=0Awhere to get pictures of early radar gear=0D=0Awhere to get = pictures of Distant Water Fleets fishing on oceans=0D=0Awhere to get = pictures of fifty-year-old fishing boats.=0D=0A=0D=0APix can be still= or motion.=0D=0A=0D=0AAny leads?=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AThanks.=0D=0A=0D= =0A=0D=0AJohn=0D=0A=0D=0AP.S. I am also told to ask for a picture of= the early factory ship, Fairtry, a British vessel.=0D=0A=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00 ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 09:54:20 -0400 From: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com> To: John Ronan <JRONAN@NSCC.MASS.EDU> Cc: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: RADAR ETC At 09:03 AM 5/6/2001 -0400, John Ronan wrote: >where to get pictures of early radar gear Try the Imperial War Museum (south London) and the Science Museum in South Kensington for early British radar equipment. The first experiments were made c.1933 with reasonably standard shortwave transmitters and receivers of the period. By 1939 there were big aerial arrays on the east and south coasts. A man called Watson-Watt was the leading scientist on the project. I think he got a knighthood. They probably also have pictures, and possibly pieces, of captured German radar equipment. From memory the captured equipment was captured in France during a special raid in 1941 or 42. I think this is the occasion when a Canadian sergeant participated with a personal bodyguard who were later said to have been instructed to kill him if he was in danger of being captured. Both the Imperial War Museum and the Science Museum are on the Internet, but I don't have URLs. Sources: The British media *after* WW2 was over when radar ceased to be secret. Also contemporary exhibitions at the Science Museum. As you will remember Japan didn't have radar and for some reason the Germans didn't tell them about it. It was called RDF in England which officially stood for "Radio Direction Finding". The Americans were responsible for the pronounceable name Radar, which was/is supposed to stand for "RAdio Direction And Ranging." David ib David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 11:00:44 -0500 From: James L Murphy <murphy.11@osu.edu> To: David Klappholz <d.klappholz@worldnet.att.net>, Tmmather@aol.com Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?The Whiffenpoof Song --Boundary_(ID_dfNw1mGHBQu89vkeZfS6kg) Content-type: text/plain According to a web site no longer available, Untitled ... poem "Gentlemen Rankers." Founding group members Meade Minnigerode and George Pomeroy fit Kipling's lyrics to a melody penned by Amherst graduate Tod Galloway. ... www.yale.edu/whiffenpoofs/whiffsong.html - 3k - Text of the Kipling poem can be found at: http://www.nth-dimension.co.uk/vl/poem.asp?id=2142 This does not explain the reference to Temple Bar, however, or the others. Morey's Bar was originally at the corner of Temple and Center Streets, hence, Morey's Temple Bar. For more on this, see: http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=1707 Louie was owner Louis Lindner, who named the place Mory's after the original owners, Frank and Jane Moriarty. See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/feed/a1923-2000jan4.htm James L. Murphy Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Avenue Mall Columbus OH 432301 At 11:13 PM 5/5/01 -0400, David Klappholz wrote: >>Looking for info on all references to names and places in the Whiffenpoof >>song. Specifically "Mory's" > >Mory's (sp?) is a pub on the Yale campus; still exists; ate there a few >years ago. > >Temple Bar was a masonry gate/entrance to the City of London; the masonry >work was moved to a London suburb in the early 20th century. (If there's >another Temple Bar in New Haven, I don't know about it. 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Guy" <pag@serv.net> To: Sam Shipley <iyam@trails.net> Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: % Pascal and Diderot Quotes -- Need Translations in French? Perhaps there's a ready-made translation for the Pascal quotation if one of us has the French text and only needs a citation to find it easily. It's #895 in PENSEES. Pat Guy Guy-Wired Pat Guy Guy-Wired On Sat, 5 May 2001, Sam Shipley wrote: > Have two quotations rendered in English which I need to have translated > into French (which is the original language they were written in): > > 1. From Pascal: "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when > they do it from religious conviction." > > and > > 2. From Diderot, "The Baroque is the ridiculous carried to an [or the] > extreme." > > Thank you, > > ////////////////////////// > Sam Shipley > Reference > Dodge City Public Library > 1001 Second Avenue > Dodge City, KS 67801 > phone: 1-800-657-2533 > fax: 316-225-0252 > e-mail: iyam@trails.net > ////////////////////////// > > ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 10:36:42 -0700 From: jswink@mail.adnc.com To: John Ronan <JRONAN@NSCC.MASS.EDU> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: RADAR ETC At 09:03 AM 5/6/01 -0400, you wrote: >A faculty member working on a documentary asks for three items: > >where to get pictures of Distant Water Fleets fishing on oceans >where to get pictures of fifty-year-old fishing boats. > >P.S. I am also told to ask for a picture of the early factory ship, >Fairtry, a British vessel. You can probably get any or all of these from the Mariner's Museum library & archives. http://www.mariner.org/ There will be fees for any extensive research [this shouldn't be too hard for them, though] and for copies of images. I'm not quite sure what "Distant Water Fleets" is. I can guess but have never heard the phrase. Grand Banks fishing fleets would likely fit the description. Fifty year old fishing boats aren't really all that old - I'm older! They would be post-WW II, certainly, and many of the fishing vessels I've seen out of San Diego may be that old or even much older, depending on upkeep. What is the context of the need? Judy Swink ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 12:23:36 -0700 From: Ellen Cousins <ellen@smithie.com> To: John Ronan <JRONAN@NSCC.MASS.EDU> Cc: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: RADAR ETC Fairtry You might try Greenpeace at http://www.greenpeace.org They saw the development of the Fairtry and other similar factory ships as a bad thing: The first of this new generation of "factory trawlers" was the Fairtry, built in Scotland in 1954. Among its notable features was its size -- several times larger than any trawler of the day at 280 feet and 2,600 gross tons.6 Its stern ramp design was also a radical departure from the conventional side-trawling boat, though familiar to whaling ships. Instead of hauling whale carcasses up the stern slip, the new factory freezer ships hauled a large trawl net. [When commercial whale species approached extinction, whaling companies shifted to trawling...] [Photos of whaling ship and factory trawler sterns] It was no accident that the Fairtry was built for the Scottish firm of Salvesen's and Co., which had no experience in the fishing industry but operated Antarctic whaling factories. They give a number of possible references on their site as well: Robert Kunzig, "Twilight of the Cod," Discover, April 1995: 52. G.C. Eddie and P.D. Chaplin, "The Development of the Modern Stern Trawler," Fishing News Ltd. 1972: 5. http://www.greenpeace.org/~usa/reports/biodiversity/sinking_fast/chapter1.html John Ronan wrote: > A faculty member working on a documentary asks for three items: > > where to get pictures of early radar gear > where to get pictures of Distant Water Fleets fishing on oceans > where to get pictures of fifty-year-old fishing boats. > > Pix can be still or motion. > > Any leads? > > > Thanks. > > > John > > P.S. I am also told to ask for a picture of the early factory ship, Fairtry, a British vessel. ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 14:27:07 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: Stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: % Pascal and Diderot Quotes -- Need Translations in French? =0D=0A=0D=0AOn Sun, 6 May 2001, Patricia A. Guy wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> = =09Perhaps there's a ready-made translation for the Pascal quotation= =0D=0A> if one of us has the French text and only needs a citation to= find it=0D=0A> easily. It's #895 in PENSEES.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Pat Guy= =0D=0A> Guy-Wired=0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> On Sat, 5 May 2001, Sam Ship= ley wrote:=0D=0A> =0D=0A> > Have two quotations rendered in English w= hich I need to have translated =0D=0A> > into French (which is the or= iginal language they were written in):=0D=0A> > =0D=0A> > 1. From Pas= cal: "Men never do evil so comp letely and cheerfully as when =0D=0A> > they do it from religious = conviction."=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AHi Sam and Pat,=0D=0A=0D=0AThe PENS= =C9ES are a real nightmare and finding successful references to=0D= =0Aspecific passages or sections depends upon whose edition is being = used.=0D=0AI have found the 1976 Mercure de France edition done by Ph= ilippe Sellier=0D=0Ato be the easiest to work with, so that's the one= I'm citing here at p.=0D=0A335 (his fragment 658): "Jamais on ne fai= t le mal si pleinement et si=0D=0Agaiement que quand on le fait par c= onscience."=0D=0A =0D=0ANow the only thing worse than chasing down Pascal is hunting up= Diderot. =0D=0ASo bonne chance, mes amis!=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=09=09I h= ate to say that je m'en fou,=0D=0A=09=09but please rate this my two d= ue sous.=0D=0A=09=09=0D=0A=0D=0AJohn Dyson=0D=0ASpanish and Portugues= e=0D=0AIndiana University=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 12:38:39 -0700 From: Ellen Cousins <ellen@smithie.com> To: John Ronan <JRONAN@NSCC.MASS.EDU> Cc: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: RADAR ETC Here is a picture of some early RADAR equipment from the Military Communications and Electronics Museum in Ontario, Canada: http://www.c-and-e-museum.org/img/img34.jpg They may well have others for you: http://www.c-and-e-museum.org/contacts.htm Ellen C. John Ronan wrote: > A faculty member working on a documentary asks for three items: > > where to get pictures of early radar gear > where to get pictures of Distant Water Fleets fishing on oceans > where to get pictures of fifty-year-old fishing boats. > > Pix can be still or motion. > > Any leads? > > > Thanks. > > > John > > P.S. I am also told to ask for a picture of the early factory ship, Fairtry, a British vessel. ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 12:44:27 -0800 From: Karen Weiss <kathwe@rain.org> To: "Patricia A. Guy" <pag@serv.net>, stumpers list <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: % Pascal and Diderot Quotes -- Need Translations in French? Patricia A. Guy wrote: > > Perhaps there's a ready-made translation for the Pascal quotation > if one of us has the French text and only needs a citation to find it > easily. It's #895 in PENSEES. > > > On Sat, 5 May 2001, Sam Shipley wrote: > > > Have two quotations rendered in English which I need to have translated > > into French (which is the original language they were written in): > > > > 1. From Pascal: "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when > > they do it from religious conviction." There is a French text for Les Pensees at the following URL: http://abu.cnam.fr/cgi-bin/donner_html?penseesXX1 I can't tell if it is complete. Also, the pensees are not numbered. I tried a few feeble searches using the little French I know but did not find the quotation. Someone more skilled in French and knowledgeable about Pascal could do better. --Karen Weiss Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. 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The .pdf version of this page has a lot of pictures: http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/airdef/searching_the_skies.htm This concerns RADAR development in the U.S. Ellen C. John Ronan wrote: > A faculty member working on a documentary asks for three items: > > where to get pictures of early radar gear > where to get pictures of Distant Water Fleets fishing on oceans > where to get pictures of fifty-year-old fishing boats. > > Pix can be still or motion. > > Any leads? > > > Thanks. > > > John > > P.S. I am also told to ask for a picture of the early factory ship, Fairtry, a British vessel. ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 16:23:37 -0400 From: Joan Small <jusmall@maine.edu> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?Otello Libretto I came in today to find that a colleague had left this question for me. Any ideas? "A question has come up about the libretto to Otello. There is a line in which Otello, having been (wrongly) convinced that Desdemona is unfaithful, accuses her of being a bass trumpet. Clearly Verdi intends this to be pejorative, but he is rather fond of the cylindrical low brasses (witness his frequent use of the cimbasso), and besides, Desdemona is always sung by a soprano. Can you shed any light on this?" Joan Small Reference Department Mantor Library University of Maine at Farmington 116 South St. Farmington ME 04938 (207)778-7226 (207)778-7223(fax) http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~smallj/ This message is intended for sole use by the recipient. Please do not forward without permission of the original sender. ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 16:43:34 -0400 From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net To: jusmall@maine.edu Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?Otello Libretto Joan: Forgive my attempt at levity (this is my sixth working day -- night): Maybe he was accusing her of being a "base strumpet." Ted Nesbitt West Liberty State College, WV Joan Small <jusmall@maine.edu> wrote: > > > I came in today to find that a colleague had left this question for > me.  Any ideas? > "A question has come up about the libretto to Otello. There is a line in > which Otello, having been (wrongly) convinced that Desdemona is unfaithful, > accuses her of being a bass trumpet. Clearly Verdi intends this to be > pejorative, but he is rather fond of the cylindrical low brasses (witness > his frequent use of the cimbasso), and besides, Desdemona is always sung by > a soprano. Can you shed any light on this?" > > Joan Small > Reference Department > Mantor Library > University of Maine at Farmington > 116 South St. > Farmington ME 04938 > (207)778-7226 > (207)778-7223(fax) > http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~smallj/ > > This message is intended for sole use by the recipient. Please do not > forward without permission of the original sender. >             >             > > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 15:52:24 -0500 (CDT) From: ash966 <ash966@bitstream.net> To: Eva Greenberg <evagreenberg@usa.net> Cc: STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu Subj: %%% canadian phone numbers - reverse listing This page appears to have reverse business listings, but not residential: http://www.worldpages.com/bus/phone.whtml ******************************************************************************** Andrea Herman email: ash966@bitstream.net ******************************************************************************* "Oh don't the days seem lank and long When all goes right and nothing goes wrong And isn't your life extremely flat When you've nothing whatever to grumble at?" --W.S. Gilbert ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 16:58:22 -0400 From: Nina Gilbert <gilbertn@lafayette.edu> To: Joan Small <jusmall@maine.edu>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?Otello Libretto Joan, I've studied that libretto (years ago). We studied lots of comparisons to Shakespeare, and I would have noticed something about a bass trumpet. Can you quote the line in Italian, and say what scene it's in? Then I may be able to help! Any chance this is actually a joke or pun? Best wishes, Nina Gilbert At 4:23 PM -0400 5/6/01, Joan Small wrote: >I came in today to find that a colleague had left this question for >me. Any ideas? >"A question has come up about the libretto to Otello. There is a line in >which Otello, having been (wrongly) convinced that Desdemona is unfaithful, >accuses her of being a bass trumpet. Clearly Verdi intends this to be >pejorative, but he is rather fond of the cylindrical low brasses (witness >his frequent use of the cimbasso), and besides, Desdemona is always sung by >a soprano. Can you shed any light on this?" > >Joan Small >Reference Department >Mantor Library >University of Maine at Farmington >116 South St. >Farmington ME 04938 >(207)778-7226 >(207)778-7223(fax) >http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~smallj/ > >This message is intended for sole use by the recipient. Please do not >forward without permission of the original sender. > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Nina Gilbert gilbertn@lafayette.edu Director of Choral Activities, Lafayette College Easton, Pennsylvania 18042-1768 voice mail: 610-330-5677; department fax: 610-330-5058 http://ww2.lafayette.edu/~gilbertn ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 14:10:40 -0700 From: Reed C Bowman <hammerquill@earthlink.net> To: stumpers list <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: % Pascal and Diderot Quotes -- Need Translations in French? Very interesting. I found and searched the ABU online version of the= =0D=0A_Pens=E9es_ (supposed to be transcribed from the 1671 edition, = but with=0D=0Amodernized spelling) yesterday, but only searched based= on my own=0D=0Ahypotheses for the translation of the passage. Based = on John Dyson's=0D=0Aquote, I searched for "conscience" and the quote= comes up different from=0D=0AJohn's printed edition:=0D=0A=0D=0A "Ja= mais on ne fait le mal si pleinement et si gaiement, que quand on le= =0D=0Afait par un faux principe de conscience."=0D=0A=0D=0AThe "faux = prin cipe" makes it a very different statement than John's=0D=0Aversion, w= hich is already quite different from what is apparently the=0D=0Astan= dard English translation. =0D=0A=0D=0ARCB=0D=0A=0D=0AKaren Weiss wrot= e:=0D=0A=0D=0A> There is a French text for Les Pensees at the followi= ng URL:=0D=0A> =0D=0A> http://abu.cnam.fr/cgi-bin/donner_html?pensees= XX1=0D=0A> =0D=0A> I can't tell if it is complete. Also, the pensees= are not numbered. I tried=0D=0A> a few feeble searches using the li= ttle French I know but did not find the=0D=0A> quotation. Someone mo= re skilled in Fr ench and knowledgeable about Pascal=0D=0A> could do better.=0D=0A> = =0D=0A> --Karen Weiss=0D=0A> Information Center of the Black Gold Coo= perative Library System=0D=0A> c/o Santa Barbara Public Library=0D= =0A> P.O. Box 1019=0D=0A> Santa Barbara, CA 93102=0D=0A> Tel: (805)9= 63-1397 Fax: (805)962-1840=0D=0A> =0D=0A> "We look for things."--G= rebnedlog in "Star Trek: The Next Generation",=0D=0A> "Samaritan Sna= re" episode=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 17:09:27 -0400 From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net To: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net Cc: jusmall@maine.edu, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?Otello Libretto Joan: Now I'm being serious. I've scanned two translations of the "Otello" libretto and have found the identical words in Act III. Otello: "What? Are you not then a vile courtesan?" Base is a synonym for vile. A courtesan is a strumpet. Could be there a problem in translating here? Ted Nesbitt West Liberty State College, WV tedjnesbitt@netscape.net wrote: > > Joan: > > Forgive my attempt at levity (this is my sixth working day -- night): > > Maybe he was accusing her of being a "base strumpet." > > Ted Nesbitt > West Liberty State College, WV > > Joan Small <jusmall@maine.edu> wrote: > > > > > > I came in today to find that a colleague had left this question for > > me.  Any ideas? > > "A question has come up about the libretto to Otello. There is a line in > > which Otello, having been (wrongly) convinced that Desdemona is unfaithful, > > accuses her of being a bass trumpet. Clearly Verdi intends this to be > > pejorative, but he is rather fond of the cylindrical low brasses (witness > > his frequent use of the cimbasso), and besides, Desdemona is always sung by > > a soprano. Can you shed any light on this?" > > > > Joan Small > > Reference Department > > Mantor Library > > University of Maine at Farmington > > 116 South St. > > Farmington ME 04938 > > (207)778-7226 > > (207)778-7223(fax) > > http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~smallj/ > > > > This message is intended for sole use by the recipient. Please do not > > forward without permission of the original sender. > >             > >             > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 16:59:46 -0400 From: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com> To: Joan Small <jusmall@maine.edu> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?Otello Libretto At 04:23 PM 5/6/2001 -0400, Joan Small wrote: >"A question has come up about the libretto to Otello. There is a line in >which Otello, having been (wrongly) convinced that Desdemona is unfaithful, >accuses her of being a bass trumpet. Clearly Verdi intends this to be >pejorative, but he is rather fond of the cylindrical low brasses (witness >his frequent use of the cimbasso), and besides, Desdemona is always sung by >a soprano. Can you shed any light on this?" Could this be a mistranslation. Otello might well have called Desdemona a "base strumpet". It's also the sort of spelling error that might get past a spelling checker, especially if the word "strumpet" wasn't in its dictionary and somebody made a wrong correction. David ib David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 17:04:12 -0500 From: Sam Shipley <iyam@trails.net> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Thanks! Pascal and Diderot translations! Thanks to all who offered help with the French versions of a couple of quotes from Pascal and Diderot. I appreciate all the assistance. Sam Shipley Dodge City Public Library ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 17:44:09 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: Reed C Bowman <hammerquill@earthlink.net> Cc: stumpers list <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: % Pascal and Diderot Quotes -- Need Translations in French? =0D=0A=0D=0AOn Sun, 6 May 2001, Reed C Bowman wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> Ver= y interesting. I found and searched the ABU online version of the= =0D=0A> _Pens=E9es_ (supposed to be transcribed from the 1671 edition= , but with=0D=0A> modernized spelling) yesterday, but only searched b= ased on my own=0D=0A> hypotheses for the translation of the passage. = Based on John Dyson's=0D=0A> quote, I searched for "conscience" and t= he quote comes up different from=0D=0A> John's printed edition:=0D= =0A> =0D=0A> "Jamais on ne fait le mal si pleinement et si gaiement,= que quand on le=0D=0A> fait par un faux principe de conscience."=0D=0A> =0D=0A> T= he "faux prin=0D=0A> cipe" makes it a very different statement than J= ohn's=0D=0A> version, which is already quite different from what is a= pparently the=0D=0A> standard English translation. =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D= =0ACurious indeed, Reed. If one types "jamais on ne fait le mal" as a= search=0D=0Astring in Google, only my version shows up. The one you = quote is different=0D=0Aall right and way too preachy to be a snappy = maxim. I suppose some scholar=0D=0Ahas opined on the difference, but = I think I'l l leave that to another=0D=0Agardener in the Pens=E9es patch.=0D=0A= =0D=0AJohn Dyson=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:10:40 +1200 From: Myles McIntyre <myles@paradise.net.nz> To: John Ronan <JRONAN@NSCC.MASS.EDU>, stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: RADAR ETC For early (WWII) radar may I suggest the following book ; Jones, R.V. Most secret war.Coronet Books, 1979. ISBN 0340241691. This book deals with application of science & technology to the Second World War (from the British viewpoint). R.V. Jones gives an account of British Scientific Intelligence between 1939 and 1945. Cheers Myles McIntyre ************************************************** Myles McIntyre Information Solutions 143 Clyde Road, Christchurch, New Zealand Email: infosol@paradise.net.nz Phone and Fax: +64 3 351 8950 Information -- Knowledge -- Excellence *********************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ronan" <JRONAN@NSCC.MASS.EDU> To: <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 1:03 AM Subject: RADAR ETC A faculty member working on a documentary asks for three items: where to get pictures of early radar gear where to get pictures of Distant Water Fleets fishing on oceans where to get pictures of fifty-year-old fishing boats. Pix can be still or motion. Any leads? Thanks. John P.S. 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Shapiro Editor Associate Librarian for Public Services YALE DICTIONARY OF QUOTATIONS and Lecturer in Legal Research Yale University Press, Yale Law School forthcoming e-mail: fred.shapiro@yale.edu http://quotationdictionary.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 18:50:28 -0700 From: Sue Kamm <suekamm@mindspring.com> To: Fred Shapiro <fred.shapiro@yale.edu> Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Stengel Quotes Fred Shapiro wrote: > > Can anyone point me to any print or online compilations of Casey Stengel > quotations that give at least minimal sources? I have found a number of > Web compilations, but none of these have any sourcing whatsoever. > Fred, are you familiar with BASEBALL'S GREATEST QUOTATIONS, compiled by Paul Dickson (HarperCollins, 1992)? [There may be a newer edition.] There are numerous quotes by The Old Perfesser, with sources. You might also try the Baseball Hall of Fame, if this book doesn't have what you need. -- Your friendly CyberGoddess and re-elected ALA Councilor, Sue Kamm Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000 email: suekamm@mindspring.com Visit my web page: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm "Good is not good when better is expected." -- Vin Scully ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 23:57:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Mariand919@aol.com To: jusmall@maine.edu, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?Otello Libretto --Boundary_(ID_zP8ZSEfUOawTosUWU+03Ng) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 5/6/01 1:34:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jusmall@maine.edu writes: > "A question has come up about the libretto to Otello. There is a line in > which Otello, having been (wrongly) convinced that Desdemona is unfaithful, > Isn't that a base strumpet? 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I have a patron looking for sheet music for the following songs: "I wonder how the old folks are at home" by Herbert S. Lambert and F.W. Vandersloot, 1909 "Making memories" by Larry Kusik and Eddie Snyder, 1967 and "Home in San Anton" or "My home in San Anton" -- not sure which, and has no composer or date. If someone could at least point me in the right direction for a good place to start this search, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Karrie Waarala Sturgis Public Library __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 10:05:20 -0500 (CDT) From: sakalasc@sls.lib.il.us To: David B G Kresh <dakr@loc.gov> Cc: stumpers-L@cuis.edu, sakalasc@sls.lib.il.us Subj: Re: Poem in Italian dialect Thanks so much. This looks like a match. Cris Sakalas Quoting David B G Kresh <dakr@loc.gov>: > Poems in Italian dialect usually turn out to be the work of T. A. > (Thomas Augustine) Daly. If your patron is willing to give up the > limerick form, this might be Daly's "Da Leetla Boy," which begins (and > ends) with this stanza: "Da spreeng ees com'; but oh, da joy / Eet > ees too late! / He was so cold, my leetla boy, / He no could wait." > In between, the boy is sick in the winter and keeps asking when spring > will come. One day he looks out the window and sees a neighbor girl > open her window and put out a flowerpot. This gives the boy hope, but > that night snow covers the flowerpot and the boy (of course) dies. > (Just to jerk an additional tear or two, the flowers were > forget-me-not.) Plugging "leetla boy" into www.google.com will get > you the full text. If this is not what you need, let me know and I'll > look further on Monday (Daly wrote a lot). > > David Kresh > Humanities & Social Sciences Division > Library of Congress > dakr@loc.gov > > >>> <sakalasc@sls.lib.il.us> 05/04 4:12 PM >>> > I'm looking for a poem in limerick form done in an Italian dialect. > It's about > a dying child lloking out of a window. Thinks it begins with, "Da > little > boy..." It appeared in the patron's HS literature text in the 60's > in a Chicago > Catholic school. > > Thanks, > Cris Sakalas > Research Librarian > SLS Reference Service > Tinley Park, IL 60477 > Cris Sakalas Research Librarian SLS Reference Service 630-734-5110 708-532-4771 fax ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 10:14:22 -0500 (CDT) From: sakalasc@sls.lib.il.us To: Dennis Lien <Dennis.K.Lien-1@tc.umn.edu> Cc: sakalasc@sls.lib.il.us, stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: %%% Re: Poem in Italian dialect Thanks, Dennis. Another new thing I've learned this week. Cris Sakalas Quoting Dennis Lien <Dennis.K.Lien-1@tc.umn.edu>: > At 03:12 PM 5/4/01 -0500, sakalasc@sls.lib.il.us wrote: > >I'm looking for a poem in limerick form done in an Italian dialect. > It's > about > >a dying child lloking out of a window. Thinks it begins with, "Da > little > >boy..." It appeared in the patron's HS literature text in the 60's in > a > Chicago > >Catholic school. > > > >Thanks, > >Cris Sakalas > >Research Librarian > >SLS Reference Service > >Tinley Park, IL 60477 > > > I don't know the poem, but the most prolific author of once-popular > poems in Italian-American dialect is probably T.A. Daly (Thomas > Augustine Daly, 1871-1948), whose poems have been asked about in > Stumpers before. If you've got a collection of his poems handy, > such as his 1936 SELECTED POEMS, that's a possible place to check. > > Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu > Cris Sakalas Research Librarian SLS Reference Service 630-734-5110 708-532-4771 fax ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 10:26:09 -0500 From: Eileen Moore <EPMOORE@finance.vpad.uab.edu> To: "'stumpers-l@cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: origin of red velvet cake This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_S5xFDrDv/iYpuKdYkunPYQ) Content-type: text/plain This is a personal request, I was at a wedding recently and the bride's cake was a Red Velvet cake, it was delicious. What is the origin of red velvet cake? I searched the internet and got a lot of receipes but no real explanation. Thanks for your help Eileen Moore University of Alabama at Birmingham epmoore@uab.edu --Boundary_(ID_S5xFDrDv/iYpuKdYkunPYQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: BASE64 PCFET0NUWVBFIEhUTUwgUFVCTElDICItLy9XM0MvL0RURCBIVE1MIDQuMCBUcmFu c2l0aW9uYWwvL0VOIj4NCjxIVE1MPjxIRUFEPg0KPE1FVEEgSFRUUC1FUVVJVj0i Q29udGVudC1UeXBlIiBDT05URU5UPSJ0ZXh0L2h0bWw7IGNoYXJzZXQ9aXNvLTg4 NTktMSI+DQoNCg0KPE1FVEEgY29udGVudD0iTVNIVE1MIDUuMDAuMjMxNC4xMDAw IiBuYW1lPUdFTkVSQVRPUj48L0hFQUQ+DQo8Qk9EWT4NCjxESVY+PEZPTlQgZmFj ZT0iQ29taWMgU2FucyBNUyI+PFNQQU4gY2xhc3M9Mjk3MTQxODE1LTA3MDUyMDAx PjxTVFJPTkc+VGhpcyBpcyBhIA0KcGVyc29uYWwgcmVxdWVzdCwgSSB3YXMgYXQg YSB3ZWRkaW5nIHJlY2VudGx5IGFuZCB0aGUgYnJpZGUncyBjYWtlIHdhcyBhIFJl ZCANClZlbHZldCBjYWtlLCBpdCB3YXMgZGVsaWNpb3VzLiBXaGF0IGlzIHRoZSBv cmlnaW4gb2YgcmVkIHZlbHZldCBjYWtlPyZuYnNwOyBJIA0Kc2VhcmNoZWQgdGhl IGludGVybmV0IGFuZCBnb3QgYSBsb3Qgb2YgcmVjZWlwZXMgYnV0IG5vIHJlYWwg ZXhwbGFuYXRpb24uJm5ic3A7IA0KVGhhbmtzIGZvciB5b3VyIGhlbHA8L1NUUk9O Rz48L1NQQU4+PC9GT05UPjwvRElWPg0KPFAgYWxpZ249bGVmdD48U1RST05HPjxG T05UIGZhY2U9IkNvbWljIFNhbnMgTVMiPkVpbGVlbiBNb29yZSANCjwvRk9OVD48 L1NUUk9ORz48L1A+DQo8UD48Rk9OVCBmYWNlPSJDb21pYyBTYW5zIE1TIj48U1RS T05HPlVuaXZlcnNpdHkgb2YgQWxhYmFtYSBhdCBCaXJtaW5naGFtIA0KPEJSPmVw bW9vcmVAdWFiLmVkdSA8L1NUUk9ORz48L0ZPTlQ+PC9QPg0KPERJVj4mbmJzcDs8 L0RJVj48L0JPRFk+PC9IVE1MPg0K --Boundary_(ID_S5xFDrDv/iYpuKdYkunPYQ)-- ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 08:46:55 -0700 From: Jan Gorden <jgorden@jcls.org> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Otmar Nussio Hi All - We have a patron who is looking for biographical information on the Italian composer Otmar Nussio (1902-1990). She has the small amounts of information from Grove's and Baker's but would like more if she can find it. She is playing one of Nussio's bassoon pieces in a recital in two weeks and needs to write her program notes. I have found many references to his works on the Internet but no more biographical stuff. Can anyone in the collective memory help us out? Many thanks in advance. Jan Gorden Jackson County Library Services fax (541) 774-6749 jgorden@jcls.org ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:55:37 -0400 From: Heather Sostrom <HSostrom@coj.net> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: ?San Francisco Xavier I have a patron who is looking for the specifications on a clipper ship thought to have sunk in 1707 on the northwest coast. Then name of the ship is the San Francisco Xavier, and it is a Spanish galleon. He would like to know who built it, when, and the dimensions of the clipper (length, width, breadth). So far, I have had no luck finding these specifications. Brief mentions of this ship have been found in the "Handbook of North American Indians"by W. Suttles, and many false starts have been had in other books. Any suggestions? ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 10:55:32 -0500 From: Jason Watson <jadowa@hotmail.com> To: EPMOORE@finance.vpad.uab.edu, stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: origin of red velvet cake http://www.recipesource.com/desserts/cakes/03/rec0326.html Jason >From: Eileen Moore <EPMOORE@finance.vpad.uab.edu> >To: "'stumpers-l@cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> >Subject: origin of red velvet cake >Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 10:26:09 -0500 > >This is a personal request, I was at a wedding recently and the bride's >cake >was a Red Velvet cake, it was delicious. What is the origin of red velvet >cake? I searched the internet and got a lot of receipes but no real >explanation. Thanks for your help > >Eileen Moore > >University of Alabama at Birmingham >epmoore@uab.edu > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:00:40 -0400 From: "John W. Bush" <jwb@alumni.stanford.org> To: sakalasc@sls.lib.il.us, David B G Kresh <dakr@loc.gov> Cc: stumpers-L@cuis.edu, sakalasc@sls.lib.il.us Subj: Re: Poem in Italian dialect Ti pare un fiammifero? --------- Thanks so much. This looks like a match. Cris Sakalas Quoting David B G Kresh <dakr@loc.gov>: > Poems in Italian dialect usually turn out to be the work of T. A. > (Thomas Augustine) Daly. If your patron is willing to give up the > limerick form, this might be Daly's "Da Leetla Boy," which begins (and > ends) with this stanza: "Da spreeng ees com'; but oh, da joy / Eet > ees too late! / He was so cold, my leetla boy, / He no could wait." > In between, the boy is sick in the winter and keeps asking when spring > will come. One day he looks out the window and sees a neighbor girl > open her window and put out a flowerpot. This gives the boy hope, but > that night snow covers the flowerpot and the boy (of course) dies. > (Just to jerk an additional tear or two, the flowers were > forget-me-not.) Plugging "leetla boy" into www.google.com will get > you the full text. If this is not what you need, let me know and I'll > look further on Monday (Daly wrote a lot). > > David Kresh > Humanities & Social Sciences Division > Library of Congress > dakr@loc.gov > > >>> <sakalasc@sls.lib.il.us> 05/04 4:12 PM >>> > I'm looking for a poem in limerick form done in an Italian dialect. > It's about > a dying child lloking out of a window. Thinks it begins with, "Da > little > boy..." It appeared in the patron's HS literature text in the 60's > in a Chicago > Catholic school. > > Thanks, > Cris Sakalas > Research Librarian > SLS Reference Service > Tinley Park, IL 60477 > Cris Sakalas Research Librarian SLS Reference Service 630-734-5110 708-532-4771 fax ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:58:48 -0400 From: Jeanne Schramm <SCHRAMMJ@wlsc.edu> To: Karrie Waarala <coyotegirl4@yahoo.com> Cc: stumpers-L@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?Sheet music You can find sheet music for "I wonder how the old folks ... " at scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/sheetmusic >I've seen several successful sheet music searches here, so I thought I >would give it a try. I have a patron looking for sheet music for the >following songs: > >"I wonder how the old folks are at home" by Herbert S. Lambert and F.W. >Vandersloot, 1909 > >"Making memories" by Larry Kusik and Eddie Snyder, 1967 > >and > >"Home in San Anton" or "My home in San Anton" -- not sure which, and >has no composer or date. > > >If someone could at least point me in the right direction for a good >place to start this search, I would appreciate it. > >Thanks, >Karrie Waarala >Sturgis Public Library > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > -- Jeanne Schramm Elbin Library West Liberty State College West Liberty, W.Va. 26074 304.336.8184 -- ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 09:09:01 -0700 From: serra@adnc.com To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?""Any Day Now"" by George Gershwin I am looking for the words and music for the musical selection "Any Day Now " by George Gershwin. Lyrics by Arthur Jackson and Buddy De Sylva. Music is from the 1919 Broadway production "La La Lucille". I have searched all indexing available at San Diego Public Library and Los Angeles Public Library. An OCLC search turned up a vocal score for the musical, but this particular selection is not included. Any ideas/assistance would be greatly appreciated. I thank you in advance. Marisa Abramo/SERRA Research Center ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:06:49 -0400 From: "John W. Bush" <jwb@alumni.stanford.org> To: Heather Sostrom <HSostrom@coj.net>, Stumpers <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ?San Francisco Xavier Clipper ships began in the 1830s. Spanish galleons sailed in the 1400s to the 1600s. ------------ I have a patron who is looking for the specifications on a clipper ship thought to have sunk in 1707 on the northwest coast. Then name of the ship is the San Francisco Xavier, and it is a Spanish galleon. He would like to know who built it, when, and the dimensions of the clipper (length, width, breadth). So far, I have had no luck finding these specifications. Brief mentions of this ship have been found in the "Handbook of North American Indians"by W. Suttles, and many false starts have been had in other books. Any suggestions? ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:09:10 -0500 From: Dennis Lien <Dennis.K.Lien-1@tc.umn.edu> To: Jan Gorden <jgorden@jcls.org>, stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: %% Otmar Nussio At 08:46 AM 5/7/01 -0700, Jan Gorden wrote: >Hi All - > >We have a patron who is looking for biographical information on the Italian >composer Otmar Nussio (1902-1990). She has the small amounts of >information from Grove's and Baker's but would like more if she can find >it. She is playing one of Nussio's bassoon pieces in a recital in two >weeks and needs to write her program notes. I have found many references >to his works on the Internet but no more biographical stuff. Can anyone in >the collective memory help us out? Many thanks in advance. > >Jan Gorden >Jackson County Library Services >fax (541) 774-6749 >jgorden@jcls.org From Saur's WORLD BIOGRAPHICAL INDEX at http://www.biblio.tu-bs.de/acwww25u/wbi_en/ Name: Nussio, Otmar Dates: 1902- Occupations: flautista; direttore d'orchestra; compositore Groups: Conductors, Musical Directors, Instrumentalists, Orchestral Musicians, Composers Archive: Archivio Biografico Italiano Fiche: II 421,47-48 Title of Source: Musica [= Short title] La musica : Dizionario con biografie. Sotto la direzione di Guido Maria Gatti. A cura di Alberto Basso. - Torino. - 1968-71 (voll. 2) Title of Source: Nuovo dizionario.. [= Short title] Nuovo dizionario Ricordi della musica e dei musicisti. - Milano. - 1976 The ARCHIVIO BIOGRAFICO ITALIANO is a Saur microfiche product which cumulates the entries of a large number of biographical dictionaries into one alphabetic sequence; unfortunately U of MN does not have this product (though we do have the comparable Saur sets for several other countries, nor do we have the two sources listed whose Nussio entries are the ones reprinted in the ABI. But perhaps someone else on the list would... Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu "Just as 'survival of the fittest' captured the imagination of the Victorians, so 'DNA' has captured the imaginations of today's public. However, imaginations thrive best if they are left free to roam; they grown tired and feeble in captivity. Captive imagainations do breed quite effectively, because they are protected from the terrible predator known as Thought." -- THE SCIENCE OF DISCWORLD, page 207, by Terry Pratchett, Ian Stewart, and Jack Cohen (London: 1999) ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 10:13:18 -0600 From: Bob Huddleston <Adco@FilmsToSee.Com> To: Cc: stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subj: RE: Military vital records Pvt. George Nixon, 75th Ohio Volunteers, was mortally wounded at Gettysburg and is buried in the National Cemetery there. In Pvt. Nixon's service record at the National Archives is a letter, dated circa 1950, from the office of Sen. Richard Nixon, asking for information on the senator's great-grandfather. I suspect it was answered very quickly! :>) Take care, Bob Judy and Bob Huddleston 10643 Sperry Street Northglenn, CO 80234-3612 303.451.6276 Adco@FilmsToSee.Com -----Original Message----- From: Sue Kamm [mailto:suekamm@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 8:56 AM To: Robert L Hadden Cc: Bruce Bumbalough; stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subject: Re: Military vital records In a previous incarnation I worked in a state legislator's district office. I did much of the work Lee describes, calling the office or company with which a constituent was having problems. The words "I'm calling from Senator Jones's office" tended to work magic! -- Your friendly CyberGoddess and candidate for re-election as an ALA Councilor, Sue Kamm Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000 email: suekamm@mindspring.com Visit my web page: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm "Good is not good when better is expected." -- Vin Scully ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:44:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Lois Fundis <fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us> To: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com> Cc: Joan Small <jusmall@maine.edu>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?Otello Libretto At 04:59 PM 05/06/2001 -0400, ibbetson wrote: > >Could this be a mistranslation. Otello might well have called Desdemona a >"base strumpet". It's also the sort of spelling error that might get past a >spelling checker, especially if the word "strumpet" wasn't in its >dictionary and somebody made a wrong correction. I looked at http://www.bartleby.com/70/ (which is an online edition of Shakespeare that is keyword-searchable) and in the Shakespeare play Othello did call Desdemona a "strumpet" -- several times in fact -- but not a "base" one. (He does call her an "impudent strumpet" in Act IV, scene ii.) Interestingly, Shakespeare also uses trumpets in some of these same scenes, so the pun may have been implied long before Verdi! Still, this is not quite the question since the problem apparently comes from the (re)translation-into-English of Verdi's Italian libretto. (Wouldn't a bass trumpet be a tuba?) Lois, who prefers bass guitars myself * * * * Lois Aleta Fundis, Reference ^~~~~^ and Gov't. Documents Librarian Mary H. Weir Public Library, (O) (O) Weirton, WV 26062 fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us . \/ . 304-797-8510 (fax -8526) "Carpe librum!" ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:06:56 -0400 From: suekamm@mindspring.com Sender: suekamm@mindspring.com To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Otello Lois Fundis wrote: At 04:59 PM 05/06/2001 -0400, ibbetson wrote: > >Could this be a mistranslation. Otello might well have called Desdemona a >"base strumpet". It's also the sort of spelling error that might get past a >spelling checker, especially if the word "strumpet" wasn't in its >dictionary and somebody made a wrong correction. I looked at http://www.bartleby.com/70/ (which is an online edition of Shakespeare that is keyword-searchable) and in the Shakespeare play Othello did call Desdemona a "strumpet" -- several times in fact -- but not a "base" one. (He does call her an "impudent strumpet" in Act IV, scene ii.) Interestingly, Shakespeare also uses trumpets in some of these same scenes, so the pun may have been implied long before Verdi! Still, this is not quite the question since the problem apparently comes from the (re)translation-into-English of Verdi's Italian libretto. Somewhere at home, I have a "complete works" of Shakespeare. I"ve forgotten who wrote the introduction, but in commenting on "Troilus and Cressida" he noted that Shakespeare inserted a stage direction, "flourish of trumpets" which announced the entrance of Cressida. The line that went with this was "The Trojans' trumpet" (which was meant to be heard as "the Trojan strumpet"). -- Your friendly CyberGoddess and re-elected ALA Councilor, Sue Kamm Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000 Visit my home page: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm email: suekamm@mindspring.com "Good is not good when better is expected." -- Vin Scully ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:41:38 -0500 From: Daphne Drewello <drewello@daktel.com> To: Heather Sostrom <HSostrom@coj.net>, stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?San Francisco Xavier Heather Sostrom wrote > I have a patron who is looking for the specifications on a clipper > ship thought to have sunk in 1707 on the northwest coast. Then name > of the ship is the San Francisco Xavier, and it is a Spanish galleon. > He would like to know who built it, when, and the dimensions This site http://www.blytmann.com/wrecks2.htm refers to a Spanish galleon named Nuestra Se~nora de Lorento y San Francisco, which was sunk off Anegada Island (BVI) in 1730. "The Saga of the Anegada Island Shipwrecks: 1500-1899" by Tage W. Blytmann from this site claims that the information came from _Shipwrecks of the Western Hemisphere: 1492-1825 _ by R.F. Max (1971). There are several editions of this book, which is really by Robert F. MaRx, including the original one from World Pub., 1971; an edition by David McKay, 1975; and a reprint by Dover, 1987. I think I can come up with a copy to check for further information, but perhaps someone else can find one more quickly. You can also contact Blytmann at anegada@blytmann.com If you do, you might want to correct his Max/Marx information! If this is not the ship the patron has in mind, the Marx book might help track down the right one. Daphne Drewello Alfred Dickey Library Jamestown, ND ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: K Smuz/Dunedin <smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: sheet music - ""Cattle Call,"" ""Ghost Riders"" My patron wants the sheet music to specific versions of 2 songs: "Cattle Call" as performed by Eddy Arnold "Ghost Riders in the Sky" as performed by Vaughn Monroe TIA! Kathy Smuz Dunedin Public Library 223 Douglas Ave. Dunedin, FL 34698 (727) 298-3080 FAX (727) 298-3088 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:57:22 -0400 From: Information Services Department <infodept@oplin.lib.oh.us> To: Stumpers <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Subj: Grateful dead lyrics --Boundary_(ID_5lgnE27179ONJxsr9H78Zg) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Greetings, We are looking for the music to the Greatful Dead's Scarlet Begonias. We've found lyrics and sites with chord info, but the request is from a local school group and they need the complete music. Can anyone help? Our fax number is 330-744-3355 TIA Louisa Berger Information Services Public Library of Youngstown and Mahoning Coiunty 305 Wick Avenue Youngstown, OH 44503 --Boundary_(ID_5lgnE27179ONJxsr9H78Zg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: BASE64 PCFkb2N0eXBlIGh0bWwgcHVibGljICItLy93M2MvL2R0ZCBodG1sIDQuMCB0cmFu c2l0aW9uYWwvL2VuIj4NCjxodG1sPg0KR3JlZXRpbmdzLA0KPHA+V2UgYXJlIGxv b2tpbmcgZm9yIHRoZSBtdXNpYyB0byB0aGUgR3JlYXRmdWwgRGVhZCdzIDxpPlNj YXJsZXQgQmVnb25pYXM8L2k+LiZuYnNwOw0KV2UndmUgZm91bmQgbHlyaWNzIGFu ZCBzaXRlcyB3aXRoIGNob3JkIGluZm8sIGJ1dCB0aGUgcmVxdWVzdCBpcyBmcm9t IGENCmxvY2FsIHNjaG9vbCBncm91cCBhbmQgdGhleSBuZWVkIHRoZSBjb21wbGV0 ZSBtdXNpYy4mbmJzcDsgQ2FuIGFueW9uZSBoZWxwPw0KPHA+T3VyIGZheCBudW1i ZXIgaXMgMzMwLTc0NC0zMzU1DQo8cD5USUENCjxicj5Mb3Vpc2EgQmVyZ2VyDQo8 YnI+SW5mb3JtYXRpb24gU2VydmljZXMNCjxicj5QdWJsaWMgTGlicmFyeSBvZiBZ b3VuZ3N0b3duIGFuZCBNYWhvbmluZyBDb2l1bnR5DQo8YnI+MzA1IFdpY2sgQXZl bnVlDQo8YnI+WW91bmdzdG93biwgT0ggNDQ1MDM8L2h0bWw+DQo= --Boundary_(ID_5lgnE27179ONJxsr9H78Zg)-- ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:26:04 -0400 From: suekamm@mindspring.com Sender: suekamm@mindspring.com To: smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Sheet music You might try the Autry Museum of Western Heritage (http://www.autry-museum.org/frontpage.html). -- Your friendly CyberGoddess and re-elected ALA Councilor, Sue Kamm Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000 Visit my home page: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm email: suekamm@mindspring.com "Good is not good when better is expected." -- Vin Scully ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:35:10 -0700 From: "Kahn, Natasha" <NKahn@fresno.ca.gov> To: 'K Smuz/Dunedin' <smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: RE: sheet music - ""Cattle Call,"" ""Ghost Riders"" We have both! I shall fax them to you. Natasha Natasha Kahn San Joaquin Valley Information Service 559-488-3229 (tel) / 559-488-2965 (fax) nkahn@sjvls.lib.ca.us > -----Original Message----- > From: K Smuz/Dunedin [SMTP:smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 11:10 AM > To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu > Subject: sheet music - "Cattle Call," "Ghost Riders" > > > My patron wants the sheet music to specific versions of 2 songs: > > "Cattle Call" as performed by Eddy Arnold > > "Ghost Riders in the Sky" as performed by Vaughn Monroe > > > TIA! > > Kathy Smuz > Dunedin Public Library > 223 Douglas Ave. > Dunedin, FL 34698 > (727) 298-3080 > FAX (727) 298-3088 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:47:32 -0800 From: Karen Weiss <kathwe@rain.org> To: serra@adnc.com, stumpers list <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ?""Any Day Now"" by George Gershwin serra@adnc.com wrote: > > I am looking for the words and music for the musical selection "Any Day Now > " by George Gershwin. Lyrics by Arthur Jackson and Buddy De Sylva. Music > is from the 1919 Broadway production "La La Lucille". Marisa: Copies of this title are available through the California Library Systems Cooperative Song Index. http://www.sjvls.lib.ca.us/sjvls/songs/ Our reference center has it indexed but there are others who may get the song to you faster. I don't go to work today. --Karen Weiss Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Tel: (805)963-1397 Fax: (805)962-1840 "We look for things."--Grebnedlog in "Star Trek: The Next Generation", "Samaritan Snare" episode ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:53:47 -0400 From: thomas.d.fuller@us.andersen.com To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: % Otmar Nussio A tidbit that might get overlooked is that Nussio's music, along with that of Mikhail Glinka and Giuseppe Verdi, forms part of the soundtrack of Alexander Sokurov's 1998 film MOTHER AND SON, reviewed by Kenneth Turan in the Los Angeles Times on February 20, 1998. -- Tom *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. 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Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:00:18 -0800 From: Karen Weiss <kathwe@rain.org> To: K Smuz/Dunedin <smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org>, stumpers list <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: sheet music - ""Cattle Call,"" ""Ghost Riders"" K Smuz/Dunedin wrote: > > My patron wants the sheet music to specific versions of 2 songs: > > "Cattle Call" as performed by Eddy Arnold > > "Ghost Riders in the Sky" as performed by Vaughn Monroe Kathy: "Cattle Call" and "Ghost Riders in the Sky" are available through the California Library Systems Cooperative Song Index at http://www.sjvls.lib.ca.us/sjvls/songs/ These titles may not be as performed by Eddy Arnold or Vaughn Monroe but you can check by email or fax. The performer's name may not be printed on the song, but it could be the right version anyway. --Karen Weiss Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Tel: (805)963-1397 Fax: (805)962-1840 "We look for things."--Grebnedlog in "Star Trek: The Next Generation", "Samaritan Snare" episode ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 15:18:29 -0400 From: cci <cci@nlci.com> To: Information Services Department <infodept@oplin.lib.oh.us>, Subj: Re: Grateful dead lyrics This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_AljGHdBdRoAvAsUih3puWw) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_4Nn1f2Ln8yMJ/cwHxki06w)" --Boundary_(ID_4Nn1f2Ln8yMJ/cwHxki06w) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Louise:=0D=0A=0D=0AWe have your song. Please print out attachment, s= ign & fax back to me and your music will follow by fax. Glad we coul= d help.=0D=0A=0D=0AJohn Seonac=0D=0AMusic Reference West Lafayette PL= =0D=0AFx: 765 463 5695 =0D=0Acci@nlci.com=0D=0A=0D=0A ----- Origina= l Message ----- =0D=0A From: Information Services Department =0D= =0A To: Stumpers =0D=0A Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 1:57 PM=0D=0A S= ubject: Grateful dead lyrics=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A Greetings, =0D=0A We= are looking for the music to the Greatful Dead's Scarlet Begonias. = We've found lyrics and sites wit h chord info, but the request is from a local school group and they n= eed the complete music. Can anyone help? =0D=0A=0D=0A Our fax numbe= r is 330-744-3355 =0D=0A=0D=0A TIA =0D=0A Louisa Berger =0D=0A Inf= ormation Services =0D=0A Public Library of Youngstown and Mahoning C= oiunty =0D=0A 305 Wick Avenue =0D=0A Youngstown, OH 44503 =0D=0A= =0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 --Boundary_(ID_4Nn1f2Ln8yMJ/cwHxki06w) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 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Subj: Re: Grateful dead lyrics Information Services Department wrote: > > Greetings, > > We are looking for the music to the Greatful Dead's Scarlet Begonias. > We've found lyrics and sites with chord info, but the request is from > a local school group and they need the complete music. Can anyone > help? > > Our fax number is 330-744-3355 Louisa: The song is in the following book as cataloged by Los Angeles Public Library: Call # 78.412 G771 v.2 Title(s) Grateful Dead : vol. II. Publisher [s.l.] : Ice Nine Pub. Co. ; New York : exclusive selling agent for the United States and Canada, Warner Bros. Publications, c1976. Paging 104 p. : ill. ; 30 cm. Notes Songs, written and performed by the Grateful Dead; for voice and piano, with guitar chord diagrams. Contents Eyes of the world.-Here comes sunshine.-Row Jimmy.-Mississippi half-step uptown toodleoo.-Stella blue.-Let me sing your blues away.-Weather report I.-Weather report II: Let it grow.-U. S. blues.-China doll.-Scarlet begonias.-Pride of Cucamonga.-Unbroken chain.-Loose Lucy.-Money money.-Ship of fools.-Blues for Allah.-The music never stopped.-Crazy fingers.-Franklin's tower.-Help on the way. Subject Headings Rock music United States. Popular music United States. Other Names Grateful Dead (Musical group) Format score Full Status Agency Call Number Status Central Library - Music Dept. REF 78.412 G771 V.2 Not Checked Out Central Library - Music Dept. CIRC 78.412 G771 V.2 Lost Maybe someone on Stumpers has the book and will fax you the song. The book Grateful Dead Anthology is in print according to J.W. Pepper. http://www.jwpepper.com/cgi-bin/titleword?id=GUESTUSR&passwd=LOOK&otype=D --Karen Weiss Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Tel: (805)963-1397 Fax: (805)962-1840 "We look for things."--Grebnedlog in "Star Trek: The Next Generation", "Samaritan Snare" episode ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:12:55 -0700 From: Ewbank Judy <ewbankj@scfl.lib.ca.us> Sender: Ewbank Judy <ewbankj@scfl.lib.ca.us> To: Information Services Department <infodept@oplin.lib.oh.us>, Subj: RE: Grateful dead lyrics Scarlet Begonias is in the following: Grateful Dead Anthology NY: Ice Nine Publ. Co, 1979 Let me know if you still need it and I can fax. Judy Ewbank >We are looking for the music to the Greatful Dead's Scarlet Begonias. >Our fax number is 330-744-3355 > >TIA >Louisa Berger >Information Services >Public Library of Youngstown and Mahoning Coiunty >305 Wick Avenue >Youngstown, OH 44503 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:13:12 -0700 From: Sue Kamm <suekamm@mindspring.com> To: Stumpers-talk@topica.com Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: And now a word from the Social Director It's getting to be that time of year...when the NBA playoffs and Stanley Cup -- oops, wrong list! Seriously, folks -- do we want to try and get together at ALA in San Francisco? Is there a Northern California w*mb*t who would like to serve as locall arrangements person? For those new to the list, we try to get together at a restaurant near the conference center, usually on a Saturday afternoon. The last time we were in SF, we ate at a Mexican restaurant about a block from Moscone. Is Boca di Beppo within walking distance? This is a place that serves HUGE portions of pretty good Italian food. The time Marian, Roxy, and I ate there we had enough leftovers to feed a small army or one teenaged boy. <g> Your friendly CyberGoddess and re-elected ALA Councilor, Sue Kamm Truest of the Blue -- Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week, 2000 Visit my home page: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm email: suekamm@mindspring.com "Good is not good when better is expected." -- Vin Scully ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:41:46 -0700 From: Marilyn Wilkerson <maralinn@visto.com> Sender: maralinn@visto.com To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: RE: sheet music - ""Cattle Call,"" ""Ghost Riders"" Am I incorrect in my belief that you cannot get sheet music that is s= pecifically "as performed by" anyone? I that that there is usually a = standard piano arrangement of a song, and that's it.=0D=0A=0D=0A> = =0D=0A> My patron wants the sheet music to specific versions of 2 son= gs:=0D=0A> =0D=0A> "Cattle Call" as performed by Eddy Arnold=0D=0A> = =0D=0A> "Ghost Riders in the Sky" as performed by Vaughn Monroe=0D= =0A> =0D=0A=0D=0A____________________________________________________= _______________________=0D=0AVisit http://www.visto.com/info, your fr= ee web-base d communications center.=0D=0AVisto.com. 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PL book costs Besides the Bowker annual, is there a source for more updated stats for the cost books for public libraries . . . broken down by media and age level, hardcover, pbk . . . ? TIA. Steven Hartung Pamunkey Regional Library Hanover, Virginia shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:20:50 -0700 From: Sue Kamm <suekamm@mindspring.com> To: Stumpers-talk@topica.com Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: And Now a Word from the Social Director I think I've eaten at Chevy's. As Marian said, the food isn't bad The date would be Saturday, June 16, around noon, or even 11:30 if people could assemble then. We would probably be through around 2 or 2:30. Marian, we could make Grace an honorary w*mb*t if she could set things up.... Your friendly CyberGoddess and re-elected ALA Councilor, Sue Kamm Truest of the Blue -- Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week, 2000 Visit my home page: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm email: suekamm@mindspring.com "Good is not good when better is expected." -- Vin Scully ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:07:21 -0400 From: Information Services Department <infodept@oplin.lib.oh.us> To: Stumpers <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Subj: Thanks for Grateful Dead... Thanks to John Seonac, Judy Ewbank and Karen Weiss for the quick response about our music request. Our patron is most impressed! Louisa Berger Information Services Depatrment Public Library of Youngstown and Mahoning County ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 16:53:31 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: Stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Spanish ship _San Francisco Javier_ According to www.arrakis.es/~histres/nmex2.htm one ship called the _S= an=0D=0AFrancisco Javier_ was lost outbound from Veracruz along with = _Nuestra=0D=0ASe=F1ora del Rosario_ in 1711. The documentary source i= s at the Archivo=0D=0AGeneral de Indias in Seville, legajo [file] #2= 901. Maybe that's a=0D=0Astarting place, even if the ship's home port= seems an unlikely origin for=0D=0Ayour event. You might also wish to= contact Prof. Carla Rahn Phillips=0D=0Ain the History Dept. at the U= . of Minnesota. She has done work on Spanish=0D=0Amaritime=20 history.=0D=0A =0D=0AJohn Dyson =0D=0ASpanish and Portuguese=0D=0AInd= iana University=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 15:57:21 -0700 From: "BALIS/PLS/SVLS Reference Center, SF Branch" <srcsf@mindspring.com> To: Stumpers <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: ? Dictionary, alphabetized backwards Does anyone know of a dictionary or word list in which words are spelled backwards and arranged in alphabetical order? (For example: a; aelf; aet; arbez.) Our library patron used to have one, and used it somehow for writing poetry. He does not want to rhyme, so we've ruled out rhyming dictionaries. Books on suffixes (such as Urdang's) that we've looked at do not contain adequate word lists. In the Stumpers archives is a message posted by Evelyn Greenwald of SCAN, in 1993, with the subject "Reverse alphabetical order", in which she identifies a source which is organized from Z to A: _Normal and reverse English word list_, by A.F. Brown. Bibliographic records in OCLC indicate that it's an 8-volume work, published in 1963, owned by a number of academic libraries. Since our library patron wants to find a book that he can purchase, we're hoping to find something more, uh... manageable. We've found three postings in Deja's usenet archives, by people asking for help in identifying such a source. Two of them state that they have seen or used such a source before; the third read a review of one in a newspaper between 1978 and 1988. Alas, none of these people received replies. As to search terms - Reverse dictionaries are, of course, a different beast. Thanks to a 1993 posting by T.F. Mills, we've tried the terms 'inverse' and 'retrograde'. Also tried 'mirror', and just plain 'spelled backwards' (etc. etc....). Besides biblio databases, we've also tried Alibris, ABE Books, & Bibliofind; Alltheweb & Google searches; and books on word games & linguistics encyclopedias. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! - Catherine Sylvia BALIS/PLS/SVLS System Reference Center, SF Branch c/o San Francisco Public Library 100 Larkin Street, 3rd floor San Francisco, CA 94102 tel: (415) 552-5042 fax: (415) 552-5067 email: srcsf@mindspring.com ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 18:18:05 -0500 (CDT) From: C V <cvj@metronet.com> To: Marilyn Wilkerson <maralinn@visto.com> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: RE: sheet music - ""Cattle Call,"" ""Ghost Riders"" Yes and no. Specific arrangements for a soloist, done by a paid arranger, are the property of that soloist. They are usually, in the case of pop singers, called "charts". They are not usually available, legally ... or even illegally, for the most part. There are also some songs which are classified as "special material" that are copyrighted, and protected HIGHLY. Connie On Mon, 7 May 2001, Marilyn Wilkerson wrote: > Am I incorrect in my belief that you cannot get sheet music that is specifically "as performed by" anyone? I that that there is usually a standard piano arrangement of a song, and that's it. > > > > > My patron wants the sheet music to specific versions of 2 songs: > > "Cattle Call" as performed by Eddy Arnold > > > > "Ghost Riders in the Sky" as performed by Vaughn Monroe ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 20:30:52 -0400 From: "Hartung, Steven" <shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org> To: "'Stumpers--POSTING Q & A's (E-mail)'" <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Subj: ! PL book costs I did get the SLJ March 2001 stats--that'll do--thanks anyway! (and always!) > -----Original Message----- > From: Hartung, Steven > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 5:18 PM > To: Stumpers--POSTING Q & A's (E-mail) > Subject: ? PL book costs > > Besides the Bowker annual, is there a source for more updated > stats for the cost books for public libraries . . . broken down by > media and age level, hardcover, pbk . . . ? TIA. > > Steven Hartung > > Pamunkey Regional Library > Hanover, Virginia > shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org > ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:57:38 -0700 From: Shari Haber <shaber@mcls.org> To: "BALIS/PLS/SVLS Reference Center, SF Branch" <srcsf@mindspring.com>, Subj: Re: ? Dictionary, alphabetized backwards Catherine, I believe you are looking for a "Rhyming Dictionary". You generally begin with the final syllables of the word that you want to rhyme, and it suggests other rhymes. I have one at home, but I cannot remember who wrote it. A keyword search of your library's catalog should do the trick. Shari Haber shaber@mcls.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "BALIS/PLS/SVLS Reference Center, SF Branch" <srcsf@mindspring.com> To: "Stumpers" <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: ? Dictionary, alphabetized backwards > Does anyone know of a dictionary or word list in which words are spelled > backwards and arranged in alphabetical order? (For example: a; aelf; > aet; arbez.) Our library patron used to have one, and used it somehow for > writing poetry. He does not want to rhyme, so we've ruled out rhyming > dictionaries. Books on suffixes (such as Urdang's) that we've looked at do > not contain adequate word lists. > > In the Stumpers archives is a message posted by Evelyn Greenwald of SCAN, in > 1993, with the subject "Reverse alphabetical order", in which she identifies > a source which is organized from Z to A: _Normal and reverse English word > list_, by A.F. Brown. Bibliographic records in OCLC indicate that it's an > 8-volume work, published in 1963, owned by a number of academic libraries. > Since our library patron wants to find a book that he can purchase, we're > hoping to find something more, uh... manageable. > > We've found three postings in Deja's usenet archives, by people asking for > help in identifying such a source. Two of them state that they have seen or > used such a source before; the third read a review of one in a newspaper > between 1978 and 1988. Alas, none of these people received replies. > > As to search terms - Reverse dictionaries are, of course, a different beast. > Thanks to a 1993 posting by T.F. Mills, we've tried the terms 'inverse' and > 'retrograde'. Also tried 'mirror', and just plain 'spelled backwards' (etc. > etc....). Besides biblio databases, we've also tried Alibris, ABE Books, > & Bibliofind; Alltheweb & Google searches; and books on word games & > linguistics encyclopedias. > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > - Catherine Sylvia > > BALIS/PLS/SVLS System Reference Center, SF Branch > c/o San Francisco Public Library > 100 Larkin Street, 3rd floor > San Francisco, CA 94102 > tel: (415) 552-5042 fax: (415) 552-5067 > email: srcsf@mindspring.com > > > ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:00:30 -0700 From: Ewbank Judy <ewbankj@scfl.lib.ca.us> Sender: Ewbank Judy <ewbankj@scfl.lib.ca.us> To: Karrie Waarala <coyotegirl4@yahoo.com>, SCHRAMMJ@wlsc.edu Cc: stumpers-L <stumpers-L@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: RE: ?Sheet music I have a patron looking for sheet music for the >>following songs: > The song "Making Memories" is in "Top Hits of 1967 and great standards" Please let me know if you still need it and I can fax on Tuesday May 8. Judy Ewbank >>"Making memories" by Larry Kusik and Eddie Snyder, 1967 The only song I found in our Song index with San Antone in the title was a Charley Pride song entitled "Is anybody goin' to San Antone" First line: Rain dripping off the brim of my hat... Composers: Dave Kirby & Glenn Martin Can be found in: New Charley Pride Songbook and 100 award-winning country hits >> >>"Home in San Anton" or "My home in San Anton" -- not sure which, and >>has no composer or date. >> >> >>If someone could at least point me in the right direction for a good >>place to start this search, I would appreciate it. >> >>Thanks, >>Karrie Waarala >>Sturgis Public Library >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >>http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >> > >-- >Jeanne Schramm >Elbin Library >West Liberty State College >West Liberty, W.Va. 26074 >304.336.8184 >-- ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:29:16 -0700 From: Ewbank Judy <ewbankj@scfl.lib.ca.us> Sender: Ewbank Judy <ewbankj@scfl.lib.ca.us> To: K Smuz/Dunedin <smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org>, Karen Weiss <kathwe@rain.org>, Subj: RE: sheet music - ""Cattle Call,"" ""Ghost Riders"" > >K Smuz/Dunedin wrote: >> >> My patron wants the sheet music to specific versions of 2 songs: >> "Ghost Riders in the Sky" as performed by Vaughn Monroe The Vaughn Monroe song (Johnny Cash also) is in some of the indexes as "Riders in the Sky". One of the books that we have it in is: World's Greatest Hits of the Forties I was thinking Frankie Laine also did this, but it may have been Vaughn. The words and music in the above book, look to be the same as Vaughn Monroe sang it. The only way you could probably convince your patron would be to have the sheet music with Vaughn Monroe's picture on it saying, " Featuring Vaughn Monroe". Judy Ewbank >http://www.sjvls.lib.ca.us/sjvls/songs/ > >These titles may not be as performed by Eddy Arnold or Vaughn Monroe but you >can check by email or fax. The performer's name may not be printed on the >song, but it could be the right version anyway. > >--Karen Weiss >Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System >c/o Santa Barbara Public Library >P.O. Box 1019 >Santa Barbara, CA 93102 >Tel: (805)963-1397 Fax: (805)962-1840 > >"We look for things."--Grebnedlog in "Star Trek: The Next Generation", >"Samaritan Snare" episode ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:52:36 -0500 From: Daphne Drewello <drewello@daktel.com> To: "BALIS/PLS/SVLS Reference Center, SF Branch" <srcsf@mindspring.com>, Subj: Re: ? Dictionary, alphabetized backwards Catherine Sylvia asked > Does anyone know of a dictionary or word list in which words are spelled > backwards and arranged in alphabetical order? _Back-Words for Crosswords: a reverse-sorted word list_ by J.C.P. Schwarz (Cambridge University Press, 1987). It's out-of-print, but this site claims to have it available for 9.99 pounds (8.99 with discount) and 5.00 pounds for postage in the UK. http://www.mbc.oaktree.co.uk/busframe.htm Both Amazon and Barnes and Noble offer to look for it. I don't know if there are other crossword puzzle dictionaries that do something similar. Enhpad Ollewerd Derfla Yekcid Yrarbil Nwotsemaj, Htron Atokad ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 23:59:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Knigi@aol.com To: srcsf@mindspring.com (Ms Catherine Sylvia / San Francisco Public Library) Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu (Stumpers mailing-list) Subj: re: ? Dictionary, alphabetized backwards Dear Ms Sylvia,=0D=0A=0D=0AMy own favorite is=0D=0A=0D=0A Lehnert,= Martin =0D=0A R=FCckl=E4ufiges W=F6rterbuch der englischen Gegenw= artssprache =3D =0D=0A Reverse dictionary of present-day Engli= sh=0D=0A Leipzig : VEB Verlag Enzyklop=E4die, 1971 =0D=0A 2= 4 cm. 596 pages.=0D=0A Reprinted 1973, 1983=0D=0A=0D=0Abut th= ere are many others: Your own library, for example, has=0D=0A=0D=0A = Edmonds, David =0D=0A The Oxford reverse dictionary =0D=0A Ne= w York: Oxford university press, 1999 =0D=0A=0D=0Aon order. The relev= ant subject-heading is=0D=0A=0D=0A English=20 language--Reverse indexes.=0D=0A=0D=0ACheers,=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AJay Di= llon=0D=0A=0D=0AJay Dillon / Rare Books & Manuscripts=0D=0Awww.jaydil= lon.com=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 22:53:19 -0500 From: Daphne Drewello <drewello@daktel.com> To: "BALIS/PLS/SVLS Reference Center, SF Branch" <srcsf@mindspring.com>, Subj: Re: ? Dictionary, alphabetized backwards Earlier I wrote > > _Back-Words for Crosswords: a reverse-sorted word list_ by > J.C.P. Schwarz (Cambridge University Press, 1987). > > It's out-of-print, but this site claims to have it > http://www.mbc.oaktree.co.uk/busframe.htm I forgot to mention that you have to look for *Chambers* Back-Words..._ under Dictionaries in the Business and Reference section. Daphne Drewello Alfred Dickey Library Jamestown, ND ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 00:07:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Knigi@aol.com To: srcsf@mindspring.com (Ms Catherine Sylvia / San Francisco Public Library) Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu (Stumpers mailing-list) Subj: re: ? Dictionary, alphabetized backwards Dear Ms Sylvia, For a little bit more on reverse word-lists (indices a tergo), you might want to look at my own Stumpers posting headed ! -(o)logies dated 23 August 1999, and the other postings in the same thread. I remain Yours cordially, Jay Dillon Jay Dillon / Rare Books & Manuscripts www.jaydillon.com ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 21:03:13 +1200 From: Myles McIntyre <myles@paradise.net.nz> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: United States Geological Survey website This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_y+FJBHHH+EyezyUfm6aGvw) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE For several days I have been unable to access the USGS website (www.u= sgs.gov) or the library of the USGS (library.usgs.gov).=0D=0AAm I alo= ne in this inability or have I missed something that the rest of the = world is aware of.=0D=0AI would appreciate some clarification.=0D= =0AThank you=0D=0ACheers=0D=0A=0D=0AMyles McIntyre=0D=0A=0D=0A*******= *******************************************=0D=0AMyles McIntyre=0D= =0A Information Solutions=0D=0A 143 Clyde Road, Christchu= rch, New Zealand=0D=0A Email: infosol@paradise.net.nz= =0D=0A Ph one and Fax: +64 3 351 8950=0D=0AInformation -- Knowledge -- Excelle= nce=0D=0A***********************************************************= =0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 --Boundary_(ID_y+FJBHHH+EyezyUfm6aGvw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">=0D= =0A<HTML><HEAD>=0D=0A<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/= html; charset=3Diso-8859-1">=0D=0A<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.6= 00" name=3DGENERATOR>=0D=0A<STYLE></STYLE>=0D=0A</HEAD>=0D=0A<BODY bg= Color=3D#ffffff>=0D=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For several da= ys I have been unable to access the =0D=0AUSGS website (<A href=3D"ht= tp://www.usgs.gov">www.usgs.gov</A>) or the library of =0D=0Athe USGS= (library.usgs.gov).</FONT></DIV>=0D=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size= =3D2>Am I alone in this inability or have I missed =0D=0Asomething th= at the rest of the world is aware of.</FONT></DIV>=0D=0A<DIV><FONT fa= ce=3DArial size=3D2>I would appreciate some clarification.</FONT></DI= V>=0D=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you</FONT></DIV>=0D= =0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>=0D=0A<DIV><FO= NT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>=0D=0A<DIV><FONT face= =3DArial size=3D2>Myles McIntyre</FONT></DIV>=0D=0A<DIV><FONT face= =3DArial =0D=0Asize=3D2><BR>*****************************************= *********<BR>Myles =0D=0AMcIntyre<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= bsp; Information =0D=0ASolutions<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= sp; 143 Clyde Road, Christchurch, =0D=0ANew =0D=0AZealand<BR>&nbsp;&n= bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= ; =0D=0AEmail: <A =0D=0Ahref=3D"mailto:infosol@paradise.net.nz">infos= ol@paradise.net.nz</A><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =0D=0APhone and Fax: +64 3 351 89= 50<BR>Information&nbsp; -- Knowledge -- =0D=0AExcellence<BR>*********= **************************************************<BR></FONT></DIV></= BODY></HTML>=0D=0A= --Boundary_(ID_y+FJBHHH+EyezyUfm6aGvw)-- ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 08:08:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Georgia Higley <ghig@loc.gov> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Cc: Charles Bean <cbea@loc.gov> Subj: ? German NY Review of Books Can anyone suggest titles that would be the equivalent German publication to the New York Review of Books? Ulrich's lists a number of literary review publications from Germany, but I can't tell what would be a good German match. Many thanks in advance, Georgia Higley ***************************************** Georgia M. Higley Automated Reference Services Specialist Serial & Government Publications Division Library of Congress Washington, DC 20540-4760 202-707-2963; FAX:202-707-6128 ghig@loc.gov The opinions expressed are my own. ***************************************** ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 08:56:45 -0400 From: "Ehrig, Ellen" <EhrigEH@alfredstate.edu> To: Myles McIntyre <myles@paradise.net.nz>, stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: RE: United States Geological Survey website This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_QJbz7X+CBezs0pC7C60UbA) Content-type: text/plain I was able to both access and search the site this morning (8:45 AM New York time). Ellen ============================ Ellen H. Ehrig W.C. Hinkle Library SUNY College of Technology at Alfred Alfred, NY 14802 PHONE: 607-587-4313 FAX: 607-587-4351 EMAIL: ehrigeh@alfredstate.edu ============================ -----Original Message----- From: Myles McIntyre [mailto:myles@paradise.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 5:03 AM To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subject: United States Geological Survey website For several days I have been unable to access the USGS website ( www.usgs.gov <http://www.usgs.gov> ) or the library of the USGS (library.usgs.gov). Am I alone in this inability or have I missed something that the rest of the world is aware of. I would appreciate some clarification. Thank you Cheers Myles McIntyre ************************************************** Myles McIntyre Information Solutions 143 Clyde Road, Christchurch, New Zealand Email: infosol@paradise.net.nz <mailto:infosol@paradise.net.nz> Phone and Fax: +64 3 351 8950 Information -- Knowledge -- Excellence *********************************************************** --Boundary_(ID_QJbz7X+CBezs0pC7C60UbA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">=0D= =0A<HTML><HEAD>=0D=0A<META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"tex= t/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1">=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A<META content=3D"MSHT= ML 5.00.2920.0" name=3DGENERATOR>=0D=0A<STYLE></STYLE>=0D=0A</HEAD>= =0D=0A<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>=0D=0A<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face= =3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D084305512-08052001>I was =0D=0Aable t= o both access and search the site this morning (8:45 AM New York = =0D=0Atime).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>=0D=0A<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face= =3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =0D=0Aclass=3D084305512-08052001></SPAN></FON= T>&nbsp;</DIV>=0D=0A<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2>= <SPAN =0D=0Aclass=3D084305512-08052001>Ellen</SPAN></FONT></DIV>=0D= =0A<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</FONT> <BR><FONT = =0D=0Aface=3DArial size=3D2>Ellen H. =0D=0AEhrig&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =0D=0A</FONT><BR>= <FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>W.C. Hinkle Library</FONT> <BR><FONT = =0D=0Aface=3DArial size=3D2>SUNY College of Technology at Alfred</FON= T> <BR><FONT =0D=0Aface=3DArial size=3D2>Alfred, NY 14802</FONT> <BR>= <FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>PHONE: =0D=0A607-587-4313</FONT> <BR><FON= T face=3DArial size=3D2>FAX: 607-587-4351</FONT> =0D=0A<BR><FONT face= =3DArial size=3D2>EMAIL: ehrigeh@alfredstate.edu</FONT> <BR><FONT = =0D=0Aface=3DArial size=3D2>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</FONT> </P>=0D=0A<BLOCK= QUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=0D=0A <DIV align=3Dleft class= =3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DTahoma =0D=0A size= =3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Myles McIntyre =0D= =0A [mailto:myles@paradise.net.nz]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 08, = 2001 5:03 =0D=0A AM<BR><B>To:</B> stumpers-l@cuis.edu<BR><B>Subject:= </B> United States =0D=0A Geological Survey website<BR><BR></DIV></F= ONT>=0D=0A <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For several days I have = been unable to access the =0D=0A USGS website (<A href=3D"http://www= .usgs.gov">www.usgs.gov</A>) or the library =0D=0A of the USGS (libr= ary.usgs.gov).</FONT></DIV>=0D=0A <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A= m I alone in this inability or have I missed =0D=0A something that t= he rest of the world is aware of.</FONT></DIV>=0D=0A <DIV><FONT face= =3DArial size=3D2>I would appreciate some =0D=0A clarification.</FON= T></DIV>=0D=0A <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you</FONT></DI= V>=0D=0A <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>=0D= =0A <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>=0D=0A <DIV= ><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Myles McIntyre</FONT></DIV>=0D=0A <DIV>= <FONT face=3DArial =0D=0A size=3D2><BR>*****************************= *********************<BR>Myles =0D=0A McIntyre<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Information =0D=0A Solutions<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 143 Clyde Road, =0D=0A Christchurch, New =0D= =0A Zealand<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =0D=0A Email: <A =0D=0A href=3D"mailto:in= fosol@paradise.net.nz">infosol@paradise.net.nz</A><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =0D= =0A Phone and Fax: +64 3 351 8950<BR>Information&nbsp; -- Knowledge = -- =0D=0A Excellence<BR>********************************************= ***************<BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>=0D=0A= --Boundary_(ID_QJbz7X+CBezs0pC7C60UbA)-- ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 09:18:08 -0500 From: Alice Nixon <anixon@netrax.net> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Home in San Antone --Boundary_(ID_UaCtBHs9eWu+nhZhlw2kTw) Content-type: text/plain I put this phrase in<http://www.ixquick.com/> ixquick.com and came up with the following website <http://http://tab.nutz.org/olga/cowpie/w/wills_bob/home_in_san_antone.crd> http://tab.nutz.org/olga/cowpie/w/wills_bob/home_in_san_antone.crd. It is a Bob Wills' song. Alice Alice Nixon Reference Backup/ILL Services Manager South Texas Library System 805 Comanche Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 361.880.7086 anixon@netrax.net --Boundary_(ID_UaCtBHs9eWu+nhZhlw2kTw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: BASE64 PGh0bWw+DQpJIHB1dCB0aGlzIHBocmFzZSBpbjxhIGhyZWY9Imh0dHA6Ly93d3cu aXhxdWljay5jb20vIj4gaXhxdWljay5jb208L2E+DQphbmQgY2FtZSB1cCB3aXRo IHRoZSBmb2xsb3dpbmcgd2Vic2l0ZQ0KPGEgaHJlZj0iaHR0cDovL2h0dHA6Ly90 YWIubnV0ei5vcmcvb2xnYS9jb3dwaWUvdy93aWxsc19ib2IvaG9tZV9pbl9zYW5f YW50b25lLmNyZCI+aHR0cDovL3RhYi5udXR6Lm9yZy9vbGdhL2Nvd3BpZS93L3dp bGxzX2JvYi9ob21lX2luX3Nhbl9hbnRvbmUuY3JkPC9hPi4NCkl0IGlzIGEgQm9i IFdpbGxzJyBzb25nLjxicj4NCjxicj4NCkFsaWNlPGJyPg0KPGJyPg0KPGRpdj5B bGljZSBOaXhvbjwvZGl2Pg0KPGRpdj5SZWZlcmVuY2UgQmFja3VwL0lMTCBTZXJ2 aWNlcyBNYW5hZ2VyPC9kaXY+DQo8ZGl2PlNvdXRoIFRleGFzIExpYnJhcnkgU3lz dGVtPC9kaXY+DQo8ZGl2PjgwNSBDb21hbmNoZTwvZGl2Pg0KPGRpdj5Db3JwdXMg Q2hyaXN0aSwgVGV4YXMgNzg0MDE8L2Rpdj4NCjxkaXY+MzYxLjg4MC43MDg2PC9k aXY+DQphbml4b25AbmV0cmF4Lm5ldA0KPC9odG1sPg0K --Boundary_(ID_UaCtBHs9eWu+nhZhlw2kTw)-- ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 10:40:20 -0400 From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net To: myles@paradise.net.nz Cc: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: United States Geological Survey website Myles: I'm having no problems in accessing either site. Ted Nesbitt West Liberty State College, WV Myles McIntyre <myles@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > For several days I have been unable to access the USGS website (www.usgs.gov) or the library of the USGS (library.usgs.gov). > Am I alone in this inability or have I missed something that the rest of the world is aware of. > I would appreciate some clarification. > Thank you > Cheers > > Myles McIntyre > > ************************************************** > Myles McIntyre >        Information Solutions >        143 Clyde Road, Christchurch, New Zealand >               Email: infosol@paradise.net.nz >               Ph > one and Fax: +64 3 351 8950 > Information  -- Knowledge -- Excellence > *********************************************************** > > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 11:31:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dexter Honeycutt (SAR)" <honeycut@virtu.sar.usf.edu> To: STUMPERS <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: maps of deforestation Dear Friends, This one has been lying around for quite awhile, so don't feel any more sense of emergency than I have. The patron has been at this question for years; time seems not to be the biggest issue here. The question (from my notes - from the patron's mouth): Remember the Cedars of Lebanon and the great forests (of the Middle East) mentioned in Gilgamesh - can we (now mwaning you and I) come up with some "historical maps" which would show the extent of the ancient forests and the gradual deforestation of the middle east? The patron is doing continual research of rainforests and is working on a related project which would show the desertization is directly related to the deforestation of the region. An aside - those gourging themselves in SF at ALA, please consider CARE packages for those of us who don't get to go. As alway, in your collective debt Dexter "I enjoyed learning those cataloguing rules: they seemed designed to hide books so that no one, outside a small circle of initiates, would ever be able to find them again." -Oxford Exit- Veronica Stallwood ******************************************************************** Dexter Honeycutt Environmental Librarian Selby Public Library 1331 First Street Sarasota, FL 34236 941-316-1181, ext 260 941-316-1188 fax ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 10:46:41 -0500 From: "Lesli M. Moore" <lesli@acad.udallas.edu> To: STUMPERS <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: RE: maps of deforestation - Care packages Here here to care packages!! :) Lesli M. Moore Digital Library Coordinator/ Reference Librarian University of Dallas -----Original Message----- From: Dexter Honeycutt (SAR) [mailto:honeycut@virtu.sar.usf.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:32 AM To: STUMPERS Subject: maps of deforestation Dear Friends, ...An aside - those gourging themselves in SF at ALA, please consider CARE packages for those of us who don't get to go. As alway, in your collective debt Dexter "I enjoyed learning those cataloguing rules: they seemed designed to hide books so that no one, outside a small circle of initiates, would ever be able to find them again." -Oxford Exit- Veronica Stallwood ******************************************************************** Dexter Honeycutt Environmental Librarian Selby Public Library 1331 First Street Sarasota, FL 34236 941-316-1181, ext 260 941-316-1188 fax ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:00:11 -0400 From: cci <cci@nlci.com> To: Alice Nixon <anixon@netrax.net>, stumpers-l@cuis.edu Cc: SCHRAMMJ@wlsc.edu Subj: %San ""Anton"". Before jumping to obvious conclusions, ASCAP has one listing WITH that spelling. {John Seonac } This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_8AilYCw6o/jsfYWvLDpRDA) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE SAN ANTON (Title Code: 490009353) =0D=0A Writers:= =0D=0A DENNIKER PAUL =0D=0A RAZAF ANDY =0D=0A=0D=0A = Performers:=0D=0A (none found)=0D=0A=0D=0A =0D=0A V= ariations:=0D=0A (none found)=0D=0A=0D=0A Publishers/Admi= nistrators:=0D=0A RAZAF MUSIC=0D=0A % THE SONGWRITERS= GUILD =0D=0A 1500 HARBOR BLVD =0D=0A WEEHAWKEN , N= J, 07087=0D=0A (201) 867-7603=0D=0A=0D=0A RECORD MUSI= C PUBLISHING CO=0D=0A % THE SONGWRITERS GUILD =0D=0A = 1500 HARBOR BLVD =0D=0A WEEHAWKEN , NJ,=20 07087=0D=0A (201) 867-7603=0D=0A =0D=0A=0D=0A ----- Ori= ginal Message ----- =0D=0A From: Alice Nixon =0D=0A To: stumpers-l@= cuis.edu =0D=0A Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:18 AM=0D=0A Subject:= Home in San Antone=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A I put this phrase in ixquick.c= om and came up with the following website http://tab.nutz.org/olga/co= wpie/w/wills_bob/home_in_san_antone.crd. It is a Bob Wills' song.= =0D=0A=0D=0A Alice=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A Alice Nixon=0D=0A Reference B= ackup/ILL Services Manager=0D=0A South Texas Library System=0D=0A 8= 05 Comanche=0D=0A Corpus Christi, Texas 784 01=0D=0A 361.880.7086=0D=0A anixon@netrax.net =0D=0A=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00 --Boundary_(ID_8AilYCw6o/jsfYWvLDpRDA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">=0D= =0A<HTML><HEAD>=0D=0A<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/= html; charset=3Diso-8859-1">=0D=0A<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1= 800" name=3DGENERATOR>=0D=0A<STYLE></STYLE>=0D=0A</HEAD>=0D=0A<BODY b= gColor=3D#c0dcc0>=0D=0A<DIV>=0D=0A<TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding= =3D0 width=3D490 border=3D0>=0D=0A <TBODY>=0D=0A <TR>=0D=0A <TD = bgColor=3D#dddddd><B>SAN ANTON </B></TD>=0D=0A <TD bgColor=3D#dddd= dd>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</TD>=0D=0A <TD align=3Dright bgColor=3D#dddd= dd><FONT size=3D-1><B>(Title Code: =0D=0A 490009353)</B>&nbsp;</= FONT></TD></TR>=0D=0A <TR>=0D=0A <TD></TD>=0D=0A <TD></TD>= =0D=0A <TD vAlign=3Dtop><FONT size=3D-1><B>Writers:</B></FONT><BR>= <FONT =0D=0A size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp; <A =0D=0A href=3D"javas= cript:submitform2(1, 'DENNIKER PAUL', 'w');">DENNIKER PAUL =0D=0A = </A></FONT><BR><FONT size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp; <A =0D=0A href= =3D"javascript:submitform2(1, 'RAZAF ANDY', 'w');">RAZAF ANDY =0D= =0A </A></FONT><BR><BR></TD>=0D=0A <TD></TD>=0D=0A <TD vAl= ign=3Dtop noWrap><FONT size=3D-1><B>Performers:</B></FONT><BR><FONT = =0D=0A size=3D-1>(none found)</FONT><BR><BR></TD></TR>=0D=0A <T= R>=0D=0A <TD></TD>=0D=0A <TD></TD>=0D=0A <TD vAlign=3Dtop><F= ONT size=3D-1><B>Variations:</B></FONT><BR><FONT =0D=0A size= =3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;(none found)</FONT><BR><BR></TD>=0D=0A <TD></TD>= =0D=0A <TD vAlign=3Dtop><FONT =0D=0A size=3D-1><B>Publishers/= Administrators:</B></FONT><BR><FONT =0D=0A size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp= ;RAZAF MUSIC</FONT><BR><FONT =0D=0A size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= &nbsp;% THE SONGWRITERS GUILD </FONT><BR><FONT =0D=0A size=3D-1>= &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1500 HARBOR BLVD </FONT><BR><FONT =0D=0A = size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;WEEHAWKEN , NJ, 07087</FONT><BR><F= ONT =0D=0A size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(201) 867-7603</FON= T><BR><BR><FONT =0D=0A size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;RECORD MUSIC PUBLIS= HING CO</FONT><BR><FONT =0D=0A size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= ;% THE SONGWRITERS GUILD </FONT><BR><FONT =0D=0A size=3D-1>&nbsp= ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1500 HARBOR BLVD </FONT><BR><FONT =0D=0A size= =3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;WEEHAWKEN , NJ, 07087</FONT><BR><FONT = =0D=0A size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(201) =0D=0A867-7603</F= ONT><BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>=0D=0A<BLOCKQUOTE =0D=0Astyle= =3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-L= EFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=0D=0A <DIV style=3D"FONT= : 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>=0D=0A <DIV =0D= =0A style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: blac= k"><B>From:</B> =0D=0A <A title=3Danixon@netrax.net href=3D"mailto:a= nixon@netrax.net">Alice Nixon</A> =0D=0A </DIV>=0D=0A <DIV style= =3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dstumpers-l@cuis.edu =0D= =0A href=3D"mailto:stumpers-l@cuis.edu">stumpers-l@cuis.edu</A> </DI= V>=0D=0A <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 0= 8, 2001 10:18 =0D=0AAM</DIV>=0D=0A <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><= B>Subject:</B> Home in San Antone</DIV>=0D=0A <DIV><BR></DIV>I put t= his phrase in<A href=3D"http://www.ixquick.com/"> =0D=0A ixquick.com= </A> and came up with the following website <A =0D=0A href=3D"http:/= /tab.nutz.org/olga/cowpie/w/wills_bob/home_in_san_antone.crd">http://= tab.nutz.org/olga/cowpie/w/wills_bob/home_in_san_antone.crd</A>. = =0D=0A It is a Bob Wills' song.<BR><BR>Alice<BR><BR>=0D=0A <DIV>Ali= ce Nixon</DIV>=0D=0A <DIV>Reference Backup/ILL Services Manager</DIV= >=0D=0A <DIV>South Texas Library System</DIV>=0D=0A <DIV>805 Comanc= he</DIV>=0D=0A <DIV>Corpus Christi, Texas 78401</DIV>=0D=0A <DIV>36= 1.880.7086</DIV><A =0D=0A href=3D"mailto:anixon@netrax.net">anixon@n= etrax.net</A> =0D=0A</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>=0D=0A= --Boundary_(ID_8AilYCw6o/jsfYWvLDpRDA)-- ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 09:17:33 -0700 From: Gilles Poitras <gilles@exploratorium.edu> To: Myles McIntyre <myles@paradise.net.nz>, stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: United States Geological Survey website At 9:03pm +1200 5/8/01, Myles McIntyre wrote: > For several days I have been unable to access the USGS website ... Empty your browser cache. With some versions of Netscape, and possibly other browsers, there is such a heavy reliance on the cache that you can get 404s when the site is fine. Gilles Poitras gilles@exploratorium.edu Learning Studio, Exploratorium Museum ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 09:29:32 -0700 From: "Bricker-Barrett, Nannette" <nbricker@lib.co.san-bernardino.ca.us> To: 'Stumpers' <Stumpers-L@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: %poem about wretched marriage This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_vdjkk0Bl2VyymqDSa8On1w) Content-type: text/plain Patron is seeking poem that contains phrase "Marriage is a wretched institution." Patron heard it 40 years ago in jr. high and says the poem ends with the notion of wanting to kill your mate. Patron thought poem was by Longfellow; I checked the e-text of Longfellow's complete poems at Project Gutenberg with no joy. Have checked Poemfinder, World of Poetry, Gale's Quotations, Grangers 3rd-11th, and Last Lines. Any and all leads much appreciated. Nannette Bricker-Barrett System Reference Librarian San Bernardino County Library 104 West Fourth Street San Bernardino, CA 92415-0035 909-387-5717 909-387-5880 fax nbricker@lib.co.san-bernardino.ca.us --Boundary_(ID_vdjkk0Bl2VyymqDSa8On1w) Content-type: application/ms-tnef Content-transfer-encoding: BASE64 eJ8+IiQQAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAA AElQTS5NaWNyb3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQWAAwAOAAAA0QcFAAgACQAdACAA AgAtAQEggAMADgAAANEHBQAIAAkAHQAiAAIALwEBCYABACEAAAAxQTZFNTQyOUMy NDNENTExQUE5RjAwOTAyNzE0NUNFQwAQBwEEgAEAHgAAACVwb2VtIGFib3V0IHdy ZXRjaGVkIG1hcnJpYWdlAO8KAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEDkAYASAgAAC4AAAADAAlZ AwAAAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAHA19wIyJVwbCEzV0hMsdbvXm92/N4AAAMA3j+vbwAA AwAAgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAUoUAAH1uAQAeAAGACCAGAAAAAADAAAAA AAAARgAAAABUhQAAAQAAAAQAAAA5LjAACwACgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAA BoUAAAAAAAADAAOACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAABhQAAAAAAAAsABIAIIAYA AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAOFAAAAAAAACwAFgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAA DoUAAAAAAAADAAaACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAQhQAAAAAAAAMAB4AIIAYA AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABGFAAAAAAAAAwAIgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAA GIUAAAAAAAACAQkQAQAAAAYDAAACAwAA8gMAAExaRnXPD1YhAwAKAHJjcGcxMjUW MgD4C2BuDhAwMzNPAfcCpAPjAgBjaArAc/BldDAgBxMCgwBQA1R9EMlDB0AGkAWw AwADkUaaQgKAfQqACMggOwli/Q4gOAm6FXEVIwmlFXIKM0sCgAqBdgiQd2sLgGQ6 NAxgYwBQCwMLtSBQXGF0A2ADoAQAIBEgZQEYcWcgcG9lbSB+dBDwBUAFoAIwC3EE IHCIaHJhESAgIk0KwI0HIWccgBpRYSB3CXAedBDgCYAaQACAdGl0xnUeUAIgLiIg GdYd4NcLERpABUA0EVB5H5EdUYRnbx4RIGpyLh9wOGlnaB1gGJAacGF53wQgG1Ac gBsDCfBkBCAD8BMbUCIjbm8ekiBvZm8dgABwHlAa0XQgwBhwbBUDIHkIYSAAwHRl Lv8KogqECoAZ5RtQCGAhcAVAhxsDJEAEIGJ5IEwCIAhnZmUlEG93OyBmSRuQHeBj ax3xIjJlui0lsHgFQCQRKFgnBCB9BaBtC1ARMCJUHVEFQFBtA2BqBZAFQEcegAnw Yp8EkBrgIxMjoCEAb3kl21hIYXYcgCk2UBsRZqMYgQSQLCBXBbBsHgBXJBEv8RoA eTCQRwdAZbkrMVF1I7AZ8B6hczGhLxxQDyAEkAQgMwsgLTFuMRtQMJAhokwcYAVA TO8LgAeQITARYG4oMCGiB0BrAyAroGEi4W0Y0CGBcNpwCXBjBzAlsGQl2wjQ7wBB DDISAgvwOAewAHA00BsCQByAQgUQKWFyLUK/HME5cSXkBrAeQBshUgEQ2wSQCfBj HIA0sGIcUAch7wuQODAKEQFAaQLRC8U3fPsOUDi0NAYCObAEkQsRC4DfIMAIUQIw KDE8M3kl5A9AbT9AVweQBUBGCGEjMVOfGgAJ4DqmP3swkENBHvBCOT8wMTUtMA9Q NQEl5DkwOS0zODfgLTU3MTce8EZSRZfEODgRUGZheCXkLUClOdRAE2BiLgWgLiHg HG4tLVE/1UjQYS51XxCwPMIl9D1rFEEATBAAAB4AcAABAAAAHgAAACVwb2VtIGFi b3V0IHdyZXRjaGVkIG1hcnJpYWdlAAAACwACAAEAAAADAP0/5AQAAEAAOQDADfcP 3NfAAQMA8T8JBAAAHgAxQAEAAAAGAAAAQjIxNzYAAAADABpAAAAAAB4AMEABAAAA BgAAAEIyMTc2AAAAAwAZQAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAMANgAAAAAAAwCAEP////8LAPIQ AQAAAAIBRwABAAAAPgAAAGM9VVM7YT0gO3A9U2FuQmVybmFyZGlub0NvdTtsPVNC Qy1NU0ctMDAyLTAxMDUwODE2MjkzMlotNzE3NDYAAAACAfk/AQAAAE4AAAAAAAAA 3KdAyMBCEBq0uQgAKy/hggEAAAAAAAAAL089U0FOQkVSTkFSRElOT0NPVU5UWS9P VT1TQkMvQ049TElCUkFSWS9DTj1CMjE3NgAAAB4A+D8BAAAAGgAAAEJyaWNrZXIt QmFycmV0dCwgTmFubmV0dGUAAAAeADhAAQAAAAYAAABCMjE3NgAAAAIB+z8BAAAA TgAAAAAAAADcp0DIwEIQGrS5CAArL+GCAQAAAAAAAAAvTz1TQU5CRVJOQVJESU5P Q09VTlRZL09VPVNCQy9DTj1MSUJSQVJZL0NOPUIyMTc2AAAAHgD6PwEAAAAaAAAA QnJpY2tlci1CYXJyZXR0LCBOYW5uZXR0ZQAAAB4AOUABAAAABgAAAEIyMTc2AAAA QAAHMPD64w/c18ABQAAIMJgoOhHc18ABHgA9AAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AHQ4BAAAA HgAAACVwb2VtIGFib3V0IHdyZXRjaGVkIG1hcnJpYWdlAAAAHgA1EAEAAABPAAAA PDMzQTE3NTJGMDJBRUQzMTFBQTcwMDA5MDI3MTQ1Q0VDMDI2MjcwRENAc2JjLW1z Zy0wMDIuY28uc2FuLWJlcm5hcmRpbm8uY2EudXM+AAALACkAAAAAAAsAIwAAAAAA AwAGEIRluEgDAAcQIAIAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABQQVRS T05JU1NFRUtJTkdQT0VNVEhBVENPTlRBSU5TUEhSQVNFIk1BUlJJQUdFSVNBV1JF VENIRURJTlNUSVRVVElPTiJQQVRST05IRUFSRElUNDBZRUFSU0FHT0lOSlJISUdI AAAAAAIBfwABAAAATwAAADwzM0ExNzUyRjAyQUVEMzExQUE3MDAwOTAyNzE0NUNF QzAyNjI3MERDQHNiYy1tc2ctMDAyLmNvLnNhbi1iZXJuYXJkaW5vLmNhLnVzPgAA XOA= --Boundary_(ID_vdjkk0Bl2VyymqDSa8On1w)-- ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:33:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Lois Fundis <fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us> To: Myles McIntyre <myles@paradise.net.nz> Cc: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: United States Geological Survey website At 09:03 PM 05/08/2001 +1200, Myles McIntyre wrote: >For several days I have been unable to access the USGS website (www.usgs.gov) or the library of the USGS (library.usgs.gov). >Am I alone in this inability or have I missed something that the rest of the world is aware of. Myles, I hadn't used it for awhile, but it's there today. However, they've redesigned the page, so maybe you were trying it while it was "down" during the redesign process. (Quite a few of the U. S. Government's websites have been redesigned and even completely reorganized since the change in administrations last January.) * * * * Lois Aleta Fundis, Reference ^~~~~^ and Gov't. Documents Librarian Mary H. Weir Public Library, (O) (O) Weirton, WV 26062 fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us . \/ . 304-797-8510 (fax -8526) "Carpe librum!" ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 10:41:18 -0700 From: BLIC <bginfo@rain.org> To: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> Cc: Deb Distante <ddistant@mtsac.edu>, stumpers <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Thanks: ""Sundown laws"" in California Thanks to Denise Montgomery, Deb Distante, Dennis Lien, Joan deFato, Barbara Blair, JC Maher, David Kresh, Lois Fundis, and the gang for contributing to this question / answer. I sent along the anecdotal material, a few book references, and referral to the historical societies at the local, county and state level, along with info on contacting the NAACP in Baltimore, which may be able to suggest further avenues of research. Also suggested contacting old-timers in the legal system, and asking the minister who gave the sermon where s/he got the info used in the sermon which generated the question in the first place! --Chris Gallery Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 13:59:05 -0400 From: Joann Donatiello <jdonatiello@cshp.rutgers.edu> To: EMAListserv <NJ_ema@enjoy.org>, hrlc listserv <hrlcnews@hrlc.org>, Cc: Lori Glickman <lglickman@cshp.rutgers.edu>, Subj: Health Policy Website Launched Please excuse cross-posting. The Center for State Health Policy (CSHP) at Rutgers University has recently launched its web site: www.cshp.rutgers.edu and would like to call your attention to the Resources page: http://www.cshp.rutgers.edu/resources.asp which contains an extensive, annotated list of links to health policy-related sites in New Jersey as well as nationally. If you decide to link to the site, CSHP would be very appreciative if you would send an email to the following address: lglickman@cshp.rutgers.edu to let us know. Please send any suggestions for additions or deletions to the list to: jdonatiello@cshp.rutgers.edu. Happy browsing! ********************************************* Joann Donatiello, M.L.S., M.A. Information Specialist/Librarian Center for State Health Policy Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey 317 George St. Suite 400 New Brunswick, NJ 08901-2008 Phone: (732) 932-3105 ext. 223 Fax: (732) 932-0069 E-mail: jdonatiello@cshp.rutgers.edu Web:http://www.cshp.rutgers.edu ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 14:32:06 -0400 From: Joan Small <jusmall@maine.edu> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: *Otello Libretto Thanks to all of those who responded so quickly and who caught the meaning as "base strumpet". On contacting the patron, I found that the message had actually been posted on a listserv for brasses. (Good thing it wasn't a listserv for strings---it probably would have led to a question about "viol harlots") Joan Small Reference Department Mantor Library University of Maine at Farmington 116 South St. Farmington ME 04938 (207)778-7226 (207)778-7223(fax) http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~smallj/ This message is intended for sole use by the recipient. Please do not forward without permission of the original sender. ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 14:57:57 -0400 From: Robert L Hadden <rhadden@usgs.gov> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Cc: Carol J Bursik <cbursik@usgs.gov> Subj: Access to the USGS I inquired about your inability to access the USGS Web site and found out that the network administrators have blocked access from a range of IP addresses in response to recent hacker attacks against the USGS. Addresses in Australia and New Zealand are included in the geographic area that is being denied access. Connections should be restored soon. Lee Hadden ************************ R. Lee Hadden, Reference Librarian US Geological Survey Mail Stop 950, National Center Reston, VA 20192 TEL: (703) 648-6088 FAX: (703) 648-6373 rhadden@usgs.gov http://www.usgs.gov/library ************************* >For several days I have been unable to access the USGS website ( www.usgs.gov) or the library of the USGS >(library.usgs.gov). >Am I alone in this inability or have I missed something that the rest of the world is aware of. >I would appreciate some clarification. >Thank you >Cheers >Myles McIntyre ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 16:10:18 -0400 From: "Hartung, Steven" <shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org> To: "Stumpers--POSTING Q & A's (E-mail)" <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Subj: ?Sandler inquiry Hi, this is for my own curiosity, so there is no rush, etc. Noel Hynd's Sandler Inquiry is being reprinted-- it is supposedly based on a "shameful and shocking episode" (of, I suppose, WWII). Anyone have any clues? Thanks! Steven Hartung Pamunkey Regional Library Hanover, Virginia shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 16:45:59 -0400 From: David B G Kresh <dakr@loc.gov> To: Stumpers-L@crf.cuis.edu, nbricker@lib.co.san-bernardino.ca.us Subj: Re: %poem about wretched marriage In my experience, patrons sometimes remember as poems things that are really in some other genre: essays, for example. According to google, there is an essay by Mervyn Cadwallader called "Marriage as a Wretched Institution." This essay is used in a course at Mendocino High School developed by Bronwyn Rhoades of the Language Arts Dept. (707-937-5871, bronwyn@mcn.org). World Cat lists a book co-authored by Cadwallader called "Marriage and Divorce," published by Atlantic Monthly in 1966 (so we're getting into the right time period). Does this book include the essay? I can't tell you, but World Cat shows only two locations for the book: New Mexico State University and the University of Texas, Austin. Was the essay previously published in the Atlantic? I didn't find it in a search of Reader's Guide from '66 on back several years. But maybe you should ask one of the holding universities what's in the Cadwallader book, and ask Ms. Rhoades where she got the essay, and whether it leads up to mate murder. Or maybe the patron is right, and it really is a poem. David Kresh Humanities & Social Sciences Division Library of Congress dakr@loc.gov >>> "Bricker-Barrett, Nannette" <nbricker@lib.co.san-bernardino.ca.us> 05/08 12:29 PM >>> Patron is seeking poem that contains phrase "Marriage is a wretched institution." Patron heard it 40 years ago in jr. high and says the poem ends with the notion of wanting to kill your mate. Patron thought poem was by Longfellow; I checked the e-text of Longfellow's complete poems at Project Gutenberg with no joy. Have checked Poemfinder, World of Poetry, Gale's Quotations, Grangers 3rd-11th, and Last Lines. Any and all leads much appreciated. Nannette Bricker-Barrett System Reference Librarian San Bernardino County Library 104 West Fourth Street San Bernardino, CA 92415-0035 909-387-5717 909-387-5880 fax nbricker@lib.co.san-bernardino.ca.us ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 16:11:39 -0600 (MDT) From: Eva Greenberg <evagreenberg@usa.net> To: STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu Subj: *THANKS -canadian phone numbers My thanks to Andrea Herman, Carol Kelly, and Alastair Neely for your = answers=0D=0Ato my question on the above. The patron was extremely p= leased with your fast=0D=0Aresponse and I think he finally found what= he wanted. Alastair, I'll bookmark=0D=0Ayour website - as i also di= d Andrea's - and I'll keep it in mind for future=0D=0Areference. Aga= in many thanks!! Eva=0D=0A=0D=0AEva M. 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According to >google, there is an essay by Mervyn Cadwallader called "Marriage as a >Wretched Institution." This essay is used in a course at Mendocino >High School developed by Bronwyn Rhoades of the Language Arts Dept. >(707-937-5871, bronwyn@mcn.org). World Cat lists a book co-authored >by Cadwallader called "Marriage and Divorce," published by Atlantic >Monthly in 1966 (so we're getting into the right time period). Does >this book include the essay? I can't tell you, but World Cat shows >only two locations for the book: New Mexico State University and the >University of Texas, Austin. It seemed to me improbable that a 1960s book from a major publisher would show only two holding libraries, so I doublechecked the WorldCat record and saw that it's not a book, but a special section within an issue of the magazine that the two libraries in question apparently removed and cataloged separately: Libraries that Own Item: 2 Title: Marriage and divorce. Author(s): Cadwallader, Mervyn Leland. ; Cantor, Donald J.,; 1931- ; Lasch, Christopher. ; Gorey, Edward,; 1925- ; illus. Publication: [Boston, Mass., The Atlantic Monthly Co., Year: 1966 Description: p. 57-79. p., illus., 28 cm. Language: English SUBJECT(S) Descriptor: Marriage -- United States. Divorce -- United States. Note(s): In a whole issue of Atlantic Montly, v. 218, <<<<<<< 1966, no. 5./ Caption title./ Includes articles by 5 authors. Those by Christopher Lasch, Mervyn Cadwallader, and Donald J. Cantor are illustrated by Edward Gorey. Class Descrpt: LC: HQ734 Other Titles: Atlantic Monthly,; v. 218, no. 5. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Document Type: Book Entry: 19800422 Update: 19950211 Accession No: OCLC: 6231901 -------------------------------------------------- I checked the issue in question (November 1966) and found MC's article, which is indeed titled "Marriage as a Wretched Institution," on pp. 62-66 (vol. 218). Unfortunately, it's not only clearly *not* a poem; it does not get into the issue of wanting to kill one's mate. (Er, don't misunderstand my use of "unfortunately" in that sentence...) It speaks of social/sexual pressures on teenagers and argues in favor of trial/term-limit marriages, at least for the young. It's still worth bringing to the attention of the client, of course. It's perhaps possible MC got his title from a once-traditional poem, or at knows of a poem by someone who took over his title, I suppose. If one wants to pursue that slim (?) possibility, Dr. Mervyn Cadwallader is at Union Institute in Cincinnati: http://www.tui.edu/Faculty/FacultyGrad/Cadwallader.html E-mail: mcadwallader@tui.edu Another possibility: this site http://bible.acu.edu/rsi/ListDetail.asp?SearchItem=Marriage&FromField=Subject lists the following article, which might be some sort of reply to or commentary on the original poem (if such exists); though more likely it's just a commentary on Cadwallader's ATLANTIC article if anything. But I don't have it to check to be certain: Kuenstler, Pat CHRISTIAN FAMILY MAGAZINE, 3:4, Page 7, 9/1/1977 Is Marriage a Wretched Institution? Marriage Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:38:10 -0400 (EDT) From: K Smuz/Dunedin <smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: thanks! re: ""Cattle Call"" etc. Many many thanks to Natasha Kahn for FAXing me the sheet music to both songs--and thanks also to the rest of you who replied. Y'all are the best! Kathy Smuz Dunedin Public Library "A day without chocolate 223 Douglas Ave. is like a day without sunshine." 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Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: maps of deforestation On 8 May 01, at 11:31, Dexter Honeycutt (SAR) wrote: > Remember the Cedars of Lebanon and the great forests (of the Middle East) > mentioned in Gilgamesh - can we (now mwaning you and I) come up with some > "historical maps" which would show the extent of the ancient forests and the > gradual deforestation of the middle east? Your query moves well beyond deforestation into desertification - a keyword to keep in mind. I don't have time to look into this, but I believe National Geographic did such an article within the past 10(?) years. The map supplement might even have been related. These items might help: Dregne, H.E. Historical Perspective of Accelerated Erosion and Effort on World Cultivation. American Society of Agronomy, Madison, Wisconsin. Jacobsen, T. and Adams, R.M. Salt and silt in Ancient Mesopotamian agriculture. Science, v. 128 (1958), p. 1251-1258. The Office of Arid Lands Studies at the U of Arizona is global in scope, and probably has all the materials you are looking for: http://ag.arizona.edu/OALS/oals/oals.html T(opsoil) for F(orests) Mills wombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado, USA) Stumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net The Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!" ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 15:50:44 +0300 (IDT) From: Tsviya Polani <tpolani@bgumail.bgu.ac.il> To: "Dexter Honeycutt (SAR)" <honeycut@virtu.sar.usf.edu> Cc: STUMPERS <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: maps of deforestation Dexter, I haven't found any maps but here are some articles that might be of interest and/or provide clues. (I was hoping to have a chance to check them before sending, but didn't have the time.) Currid, John D. "The deforestation of the foothills of Palestine," _Palestine Exploration Quarterly_ 116(1): 1-11 1984 Frick, Frank S. "Ecology, agriculture and patterns of settlement," in Clements, R.E., ed. _World of ancient Israel; Sociological, anthropological and political perspectives_ Cambridge U. Pr., 1989 pgs 67-93 Har-El, Menashe. "The shaping of the landscape of Jerusalem, the hills and the desert by the Israelites." _World Congress of Jewish Studies_ 12(A):149-171 1999 Pollard, Nigel. "the Israelites and their environment." _The ecologist_ 14(3):125-133 1984 Liphschitz, Nili, "Building in Israel throughout the ages - one cause for the destruction of the cedar forests of the Near East" _GeoJournal_ 27(4):345-352 1992 Liphschitz, Nili. "Cedar of Lebanon (Cedrus libani) in Israel during antiquity" _Israel Exploration Journal_ 41(1-3): 167-175 1991 Liphschitz, Nili. "The timber trade in ancient Palestine" _Tel Aviv_ 22(1): 121-127 1995 Goldberg, Paul. "The changing landscape" in Levy, Thomas E., ed, _The archaeology of society in the holy land_, Leicester U Press, 1995. pgs 40-54 Inbar, Moshe. "Land degradation in the Mediterranean areas of Israel" in Gradus, Yehuda and Gabriel Lipshitz, eds, _The mosaic of Israeli geography_, Be'er Sheva, Negev Center for Regional Development, Ben-Gurion University of the Negev Press, 1996 pgs 393-401 I will check tomorrow if I have a chance to see if some of the more obscure titles here are actually relevant, as I assume your library doesn't have most of these journals. Tsviya Polani Reference Librarian Aranne Library Ben-Gurion University of the Negev Be'er Sheva, Israel e-mail: tpolani@bgumail.bgu.ac.il On Tue, 8 May 2001, Dexter Honeycutt (SAR) wrote: > Dear Friends, > > This one has been lying around for quite awhile, so don't feel any more > sense of emergency than I have. The patron has been at this question for > years; time seems not to be the biggest issue here. The question (from my > notes - from the patron's mouth): Remember the Cedars of Lebanon and the > great forests (of the Middle East) mentioned in Gilgamesh - can we (now > mwaning you and I) come up with some "historical maps" which would show > the extent of the ancient forests and the gradual deforestation of the > middle east? > > The patron is doing continual research of rainforests and is working on a > related project which would show the desertization is directly related to > the deforestation of the region. > > An aside - those gourging themselves in SF at ALA, please consider CARE > packages for those of us who don't get to go. > > As alway, in your collective debt > > Dexter > > "I enjoyed learning those cataloguing rules: they seemed designed to hide > books so that no one, outside a small circle of initiates, would ever be > able to find them again." -Oxford Exit- Veronica Stallwood > > ******************************************************************** > Dexter Honeycutt > Environmental Librarian > Selby Public Library > 1331 First Street > Sarasota, FL 34236 > 941-316-1181, ext 260 > 941-316-1188 fax > > ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:49:17 -0400 From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?American novel "The setting is Baltimore. Three characters are Duncan (who reads Dostoyevski), Cousin Justin, and Uncle Two." Does anyone know about this novel(?) and its author? There was an excerpt from it on the reading comprehension part of an SAT Part I exam, either in 1999 or 2000. According to the SAT instructions, it was written in 1953, although patron is not certain about that date. I cannot remember how Daphne, with limited information, finds novels. Incidentally, I spoke with a person at the Educational Testing Service. She tells me that they do not keep copies of old exams. When I expressed my disbelief, she put me on hold, talked with her supervisor, and returned with the same story. I then asked if they had a librarian to whom I could speak. "We don't have anything to put in a library" was the answer. Decades ago I served on an ETS Advanced Placement English committee. They threw nothing away! Ted Nesbitt West Liberty State College, WV __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:46:18 -0400 From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net To: Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?American novel In my previous message, the character's name is "Cousin JUSTINE." tedjnesbitt@netscape.net wrote: > > "The setting is Baltimore.  Three characters are Duncan (who reads Dostoyevski), Cousin Justin, and Uncle Two." > > Does anyone know about this novel(?) and its author?  There was an > excerpt from it on the reading comprehension part of an SAT Part I > exam, either in 1999 or 2000.  According to the SAT instructions, it > was written in 1953, although patron is not certain about that date. > > I cannot remember how Daphne, with limited information, finds novels. > > Incidentally, I spoke with a person at the Educational Testing Service. > She tells me that they do not keep copies of old exams.  When I expressed > my disbelief, she put me on hold, talked with her supervisor, and returned with the same story.  I then asked if they had a librarian to whom I could speak.  "We don't have anything to put in a library" was the answer.   > > Decades ago I served on an ETS Advanced Placement English committee.  They threw nothing away! > > Ted Nesbitt > West Liberty State College, WV > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:52:37 -0400 From: "Waters, Sally" <WATERS@law.stetson.edu> To: "'tedjnesbitt@netscape.net'" <tedjnesbitt@netscape.net>, Subj: ! RE: ?American novel "Searching For Caleb" by Anne Tyler; you can read the review (and plot) at: http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/04/19/specials/tyler-caleb.html Sally Sally Waters, Queen of Reference / This year, give a Stetson College of Law Library / present for the future: St. Petersburg, FL / waters@law.stetson.edu / http://www.heiferproject.org -----Original Message----- From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net [mailto:tedjnesbitt@netscape.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 9:49 AM To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: ?American novel "The setting is Baltimore. Three characters are Duncan (who reads Dostoyevski), Cousin Justin, and Uncle Two." Does anyone know about this novel(?) and its author? There was an excerpt from it on the reading comprehension part of an SAT Part I exam, either in 1999 or 2000. According to the SAT instructions, it was written in 1953, although patron is not certain about that date. I cannot remember how Daphne, with limited information, finds novels. Incidentally, I spoke with a person at the Educational Testing Service. She tells me that they do not keep copies of old exams. When I expressed my disbelief, she put me on hold, talked with her supervisor, and returned with the same story. I then asked if they had a librarian to whom I could speak. "We don't have anything to put in a library" was the answer. Decades ago I served on an ETS Advanced Placement English committee. They threw nothing away! Ted Nesbitt West Liberty State College, WV __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:53:28 -0500 From: Dan Goodman <dsgood@visi.com> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Private eyes in the 1950's, New York City in the 1950's Someone in another forum wants information on how private detectives operated in the 1950's, and on New York City (specifically, Manhattan and the Bronx) in the 1950's. Reason for wanting the information: she's writing a mystery story. All leads will be passed on. -- Dan Goodman dsgood@visi.com http://www.visi.com/~dsgood.html Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much. ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 11:04:38 -0400 From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" <cierpke@prodigy.net> To: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?American novel Try "Seaching for Caleb" by Anne Tyler. It was done in 1975=0D=0A= =0D=0A=0D=0AAt 10:46 AM 5/9/2001 -0400, you wrote:=0D=0A>In my previo= us message, the character's name is "Cousin JUSTINE."=0D=0A>=0D=0A>= =0D=0A>tedjnesbitt@netscape.net wrote:=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>> "The setting i= s Baltimore. =A0Three characters are Duncan (who reads=0D=0ADostoyevs= ki), Cousin Justin, and Uncle Two."=0D=0A>> =0D=0A>> Does anyone know= about this novel(?) and its author? =A0There was an=0D=0A>> excerpt = =66rom it on the reading comprehension part of an SAT Part I =0D=0A>>= exam, either in 1999 or 200 0. =A0According to the SAT instructions, it=0D=0A>> was written in 19= 53, although patron is not certain about that date.=0D=0A>> =0D=0A>> = I cannot remember how Daphne, with limited information, finds novels.= =0D=0A>> =0D=0A>> Incidentally, I spoke with a person at the Educatio= nal Testing Service.=0D=0A>> She tells me that they do not keep copie= s of old exams. =A0When I expressed=0D=0A>> my disbelief, she put me = on hold, talked with her supervisor, and=0D=0Areturned with the same = story. =A0I then asked if they had a librarian to whom=0D=0AI could s= pe ak. =A0"We don't have anything to put in a library" was the answer. = =A0=0D=0A>> =0D=0A>> Decades ago I served on an ETS Advanced Placemen= t English committee.=0D=0A=A0They threw nothing away!=0D=0A>> =0D= =0A>> Ted Nesbitt=0D=0A>> West Liberty State College, WV=0D=0A>> ____= ______________________________________________________________=0D= =0A>> Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at= =0D=0Ahttp://webmail.netscape.com/=0D=0A>> =0D=0A>___________________= _______________________________________________=0D=0A>Get your own FR= EE, personal Netscape Web mail account today at=0D=0Ahttp://webmail.netscape.com/=0D=0A>=0D= =0AProf. Kevin W. Woodruff, M. Div.=0D=0ALibrary Director/Reference L= ibrarian=0D=0AProfessor of New Testament Greek=0D=0ACierpke Memorial = Library=0D=0ATennessee Temple University/Temple Baptist Seminary=0D= =0A1815 Union Ave. =0D=0AChattanooga, Tennessee 37404=0D=0AUnited Sta= tes of America=0D=0A423/493-4252 (office)=0D=0A423/698-9447 (home)= =0D=0A423/493-4497 (FAX)=0D=0ACierpke@prodigy.net (preferred)=0D=0Akw= oodruf@utk.edu (alternate)=0D=0Ahttp://pages.prodigy.net/cierpke/wood= ruff.htm=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 11:47:47 -0400 From: thomas.d.fuller@us.andersen.com To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Cc: md2@freenet.de Subj: ! online German library catalogues Looking for something else this morning, I came upon the following website, which seems to be a pretty good source for finding online library catalogues in Germany: http://www.stub.uni-frankfurt.de/wwwbib.htm Don't have time today to look for Kathinka Sutro-Schuecking, but it might give the original poster a start. -- Tom *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 08:52:20 -0700 From: BLIC <bginfo@rain.org> To: "Dexter Honeycutt (SAR)" <honeycut@virtu.sar.usf.edu> Cc: STUMPERS <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: % re: maps of deforestation I relayed this question to my sister, who wrote the new translation of the epic of Gilgamesh published by Stanford U. Press in the 1980s. Her reply: Chris: The Gilgamesh epic is not helpful in this respect, but there is considerable archaeological work that has already been done on this issue for the Middle East. Lots of research on the human-environment interaction in the 6th-1st millennia BC. The interested party should check out Ancient Near East archaeological sources and do searches on "paleoclimate" etc. No need to use mythology. He should be able to find plenty of sites within a few hours. Renee Kovacs ************************************* > can we come up with some "historical maps" which would show > the extent of the ancient forests and the gradual deforestation of the > middle east? > Dexter Honeycutt ************************************* -- Chris Gallery Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:38:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Bob Boyce <rboyce@rand.lcl.lib.ne.us> To: stumpers <STUMPERS-LIST@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: ""pele tower""--hunhh? Charles Todd uses the term "pele tower" in his novel Legacy of the Dead (c. 2000). It refers to a pile of stones, the ruins of a tower in a pasture in England. Can anyone tell me where he got this odd phrase? The OED refers to the Hawaiian volcano goddess, Pele, but I don't see any relation to Todd's phrase. The stones are *not* volcanic. Please respond to me directly, I'm not signed up. TIA!! Bob the biker Boyce Lincoln NE City Libraries rboyce@rand.lcl.lib.ne.us ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:11:29 -0400 From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: *Thanks for American novel Thanks to Sally and Kevin for your speedy responses to my inquiry. Tyler's book MUST be the one. Would you two like to be consultants for the Educational Testing Service? Ted Nesbitt West Liberty State College, WV __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:20:24 -0700 From: BLIC <bginfo@rain.org> To: Bob Boyce <rboyce@rand.lcl.lib.ne.us> Cc: stumpers <STUMPERS-LIST@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ""pele tower""--hunhh? See http://www.btinternet.com/~lake.district/pele.htm for a description and explanation of Cumbrian pele towers: "defensive structures known as pele towers, quite unique to the north of England. About 90 were built." Bob Boyce wrote: > Charles Todd uses the term "pele tower" in his novel Legacy of the > Dead (c. 2000). It refers to a pile of stones, the ruins of a tower in a > pasture in England. -- Chris Gallery Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:19:20 -0400 From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net To: rboyce@rand.lcl.lib.ne.us Cc: STUMPERS-LIST@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ""pele tower""--hunhh? Bob: They were "small stone buildings." See the description at this site: http://www.btinternet.com/~lake.district/pele.htm Ted Nesbitt West Liberty State College, WV Bob Boyce <rboyce@rand.lcl.lib.ne.us> wrote: > >    Charles Todd uses the term "pele tower" in his novel Legacy of the > Dead (c. 2000). It refers to a pile of stones, the ruins of a tower in a > pasture in England. >    Can anyone tell me where he got this odd phrase? The OED refers to the > Hawaiian volcano goddess, Pele, but I don't see any relation to Todd's > phrase. The stones are *not* volcanic. >    Please respond to me directly, I'm not signed up. > TIA!! > > Bob the biker Boyce > Lincoln NE City Libraries > rboyce@rand.lcl.lib.ne.us > > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:22:03 -0400 From: "Thornlow, Bruce" <Thornlowb@ndu.edu> To: "'STUMPERS-L@CRF.CUIS.EDU'" <STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: ? Organized Crime & Drug-use Among Military in Europe Dear Friends - I'm looking specifically for evidence concerning organinized crime syndicate's influence within military forces in Europe. I tried Lexis/Nexis, ProQuest, EbscoHost, FBIS and Google. I found many articles on corruption within a country's police force or articles pertaining to a military's fight against organized crime in general. Statistical information would be glorious...if it exists. Thank you in advance. Bruce thornlowb@ndu.edu ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:29:09 -0400 From: "Waters, Sally" <WATERS@law.stetson.edu> To: "'stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: ? Florida Constitution - Spanish version? This is a reference question that we've been working on all morning, calling all over the place, and have had no luck. We need a Spanish version of the Florida Constitution for a professor, and so far this is proving surprisingly difficult to find. So far, we've contacted the Miami Law Library, Miami- Dade Public Library, Florida Attorney General Law Library, State Library of Florida, and the Legislative Library; we've contacted some other university law libraries in Florida, to no avail so far. So it looks like our best shot now is going to be from either an Hispanic group, or other Florida library that somehow might have stumbled upon this before! Amazing - but this question, which would seem to be so easy to answer, esp. here in Florida, and here in a large library, is proving amazingly slippery! Thanks for any help! Sally Sally Waters, Queen of Reference / This year, give a Stetson College of Law Library / present for the future: St. Petersburg, FL / waters@law.stetson.edu / http://www.heiferproject.org ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 11:43:16 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: Bob Boyce <rboyce@rand.lcl.lib.ne.us> Cc: stumpers <STUMPERS-LIST@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ""pele tower""--hunhh? On Wed, 9 May 2001, Bob Boyce wrote: > Charles Todd uses the term "pele tower" in his novel Legacy of the > Dead (c. 2000). It refers to a pile of stones, the ruins of a tower in a > pasture in England. > Can anyone tell me where he got this odd phrase? The OED refers to the > Hawaiian volcano goddess, Pele, but I don't see any relation to Todd's > phrase. The stones are *not* volcanic. Hi Bob, Look it up under "peel" from the Latin "palus" (stake), thought to be a palisaded construction, a peel-house. John Dyson Spanish and Portuguese Indiana University ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:57:12 -0700 From: BLIC <bginfo@rain.org> To: "Waters, Sally" <WATERS@law.stetson.edu> Cc: "'stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ? Florida Constitution - Spanish version? I would contact the office of the famous Florida secretary of state, Katherine Harris. http://www.dos.state.fl.us/ She seems confident about having facts and figures and reports and documentation and truth and bottom lines and... Maybe someone in her office can help. --Chris Gallery Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:02:45 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: "Waters, Sally" <WATERS@law.stetson.edu> Cc: "'stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ? Florida Constitution - Spanish version? On Wed, 9 May 2001, Waters, Sally wrote: > This is a reference question that we've been working on all > morning, calling all over the place, and have had no luck. > We need a Spanish version of the Florida Constitution for a > professor, and so far this is proving surprisingly difficult > to find. So far, we've contacted the Miami Law Library, Miami- > Dade Public Library, Florida Attorney General Law Library, > State Library of Florida, and the Legislative Library; we've > contacted some other university law libraries in Florida, to > no avail so far. > > So it looks like our best shot now is going to be from either > an Hispanic group, or other Florida library that somehow might > have stumbled upon this before! Amazing - but this question, > which would seem to be so easy to answer, esp. here in Florida, > and here in a large library, is proving amazingly slippery! Hi Sally, Article II, Section 9 pretty much makes your request a purely amateur exercise, doesn't it? I doubt if there's a state-approved Spanish version under the legislature's 1988 English-as-official-language adoption. John Dyson Spanish and Portuguese Indiana University ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:10:35 -0700 From: BLIC <bginfo@rain.org> To: "Waters, Sally" <WATERS@law.stetson.edu>, Subj: Re: ? Florida Constitution - Spanish version? Incidentally, I was just browsing the Florida Secy of State's site, and found a surprising button on this page: http://stafla.dlis.state.fl.us/htbin/flgils_kwd Next to the search box, it says: "Couldn't find what you need? Ask a librarian." So you click on the button, and the next screen says: Ask the State Library... We help thousands of people find the information they need. We may have helped someone else with a question similar to yours. Feel free to browse through our Frequently Asked Questions page to see if your need is answered there. Your local public library may be able to answer your question, and we encourage you to use their resources. You can visit many of Florida's public libraries on the WWW. If you want to ask a question please fill out the form below including your postal address and a phone number. As good as the Internet is, we have a problem responding to about 10% of the queries we receive when we only have an e-mail address. We will respond via e-mail when possible, but we want another way to reach you if we can't get through. ************* BLIC wrote: > I would contact the office of the famous Florida secretary of state, > Katherine Harris. http://www.dos.state.fl.us/ **************** I wonder what would happen if the Spanish version of the state Constitution were requested via this screen. --Chris Gallery Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:25:30 -0400 From: "J. Shore" <shorej@thpl.org> To: "Waters, Sally" <WATERS@law.stetson.edu> Cc: "'stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ? Florida Constitution - Spanish version? "Waters, Sally" wrote: > > This is a reference question that we've been working on all > morning, calling all over the place, and have had no luck. > We need a Spanish version of the Florida Constitution for a > professor Sally, While I agree with John Dyson that a Spanish version may not exist, I'd contact Wanda Romberger, (850) 922-5104, s/c 292-5104, rombergw@flcourts.org. She's the contact listed for Florida's court interpreters program. I expect they may be able to provide legal references in Spanish as part of their services. Good luck, J. P.S. Hillsborough county (including the Hillsborough County Law Library) doesn't have it. -- Mr. J. Shore Serials Librarian / Cataloger Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library shorej@thpl.org ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:30:05 -0700 From: Marilyn Wilkerson <maralinn@visto.com> Sender: maralinn@visto.com To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: % re: maps of deforestation =0D=0A=0D=0ANo maps, but this article says that "The Cedar forests at= one time probably covered large areas in the mountains of the Near E= ast..." etc, etc. More info at =0D=0Ahttp://almashriq.hiof.no/lebanon= /300/360/363.other_social_problems_and_services/363.7.environmental_p= roblems_and_services/transcript.html=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A***************= **********************=0D=0A> can we come up with some "historical ma= ps" which would show=0D=0A> the extent of the ancient forests and the= gradual deforestation of the=0D=0A> middle east? =0D=0A> Dexter Hon eycutt=0D=0A*************************************=0D=0A=0D=0A-- Chris= Gallery=0D=0AInformation Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Librar= y System=0D=0Ac/o Santa Barbara Public Library=0D=0AP.O. Box 1019= =0D=0ASanta Barbara, CA 93102=0D=0APhone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) = 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A_____________= ______________________________________________________________=0D= =0AVisit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communication= s center.=0D=0AVisto.com. Life on the Dot.=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:47:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Lois Fundis <fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us> To: "Waters, Sally" <WATERS@law.stetson.edu> Cc: "'stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ? Florida Constitution - Spanish version? No luck, but the search was so interesting I thought I'd share it anyway. I did a Google search using the terms "florida estado constitucion" and came up with a couple of sites listing constitutions and other laws of various states and countries from sites written in Spanish http://orbita.starmedia.com/~tderecho/constitucionesextranjeras.htm and (or should I say "y"?) http://www.advance.com.ar/usuarios/defgralnac/enlaces.htm Unfortunately, the links for the Florida constitution brought only a "404 not found" message. The links to the other state constitutions that I did try (West Virginia for example) were the English versions so it might not have helped anyway. There were lots of sites in Spanish referring to the Florida constitucion (there's a / over the last o in constitution, but it doesn't seem to affect the Google searches if you leave it off) -- many referring to the last election! -- but none with the constitution at all, either in English or Spanish. * * * * Lois Aleta Fundis, Reference ^~~~~^ and Gov't. Documents Librarian Mary H. Weir Public Library, (O) (O) Weirton, WV 26062 fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us . \/ . 304-797-8510 (fax -8526) "Carpe librum!" ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 11:20:41 -0700 From: "Kahn, Natasha" <NKahn@fresno.ca.gov> To: Stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ** Human Body Overlays A very belated thanks to Linda Stark, Phalbe Henriksen and Nannette Bricker-Barrett for their suggestions on books with overlays of the back of the human body. Thanks much for your help!! Natasha Natasha Kahn San Joaquin Valley Information Service 559-488-3229 (tel) / 559-488-2965 (fax) nkahn@sjvls.lib.ca.us ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:24:20 -0500 From: Daphne Drewello <drewello@daktel.com> To: "Waters, Sally" <WATERS@law.stetson.edu>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Florida Constitution - Spanish version? Sally Waters wrote > This is a reference question that we've been working on all > morning, calling all over the place, and have had no luck. > We need a Spanish version of the Florida Constitution for a > professor, I couldn't tell if you have checked with these folks, though I'm sure you probably have. The Commission for the Revision of the Constitution of Florida gives the Spanish version of the *revisions* at http://www.law.fsu.edu/crc/pdf/Spanish.pdf Maybe they know where a copy of the whole constitution in Spanish can be found. You can call the Comision Revisora de la Constitucion in Tallahassee at 850-413-7740. Except I suppose you've already done so... Daphne Drewello Alfred Dickey Library Jamestown, ND ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:58:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Bob Boyce <rboyce@rand.lcl.lib.ne.us> To: BLIC <bginfo@rain.org> Cc: stumpers <STUMPERS-LIST@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ""pele tower""--answered already!! Boy, you gals and guys are great! I've had three responses already about pele towers!! Thanks to Chris Gallery, John Dyson, and Ted Nesbitt for their quick responses!! Bob Boyce ********************************************************* On Wed, 9 May 2001, BLIC wrote: > See http://www.btinternet.com/~lake.district/pele.htm > for a description and explanation of Cumbrian pele towers: > "defensive structures known as pele towers, quite unique to the north of > England. About 90 were built." > > > Bob Boyce wrote: > > Charles Todd uses the term "pele tower" in his novel Legacy of the > > Dead (c. 2000). It refers to a pile of stones, the ruins of a tower in a > > pasture in England. > > > > -- Chris Gallery > Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System > c/o Santa Barbara Public Library > P.O. Box 1019 > Santa Barbara, CA 93102 > Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org > ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 15:50:21 -0400 From: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com> To: Bob Boyce <rboyce@rand.lcl.lib.ne.us> Cc: stumpers <STUMPERS-LIST@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ""pele tower""--hunhh? At 10:38 AM 5/9/2001 -0500, Bob Boyce wrote: > Charles Todd uses the term "pele tower" in his novel Legacy of the >Dead (c. 2000). It refers to a pile of stones, the ruins of a tower in a >pasture in England. > Can anyone tell me where he got this odd phrase? The OED refers to the >Hawaiian volcano goddess, Pele, but I don't see any relation to Todd's >phrase. The stones are *not* volcanic. > Please respond to me directly, I'm not signed up. >TIA!! The preferred spelling is "peel tower" The following is from Chambers Dictionary *peel-house* or *peel-tower* (also *pele-house* or *pele-tower*; also with _cap_) _orig_ a fortified dwelling house, _usu_ entered by ladder to first floor, with a vaulted ground floor for cattle, common on the English/Scottish Borders (_hist_); now a loosely used term. The upper floors were often accessed by a circular staircase with a right-hand thread, so that a defender, with his sword arm on the outside, had an advantage over an attacker with his sword arm on the inside. Exceptionally the peels used by the Kerr family had circular staircases with a left-hand thread. As you will have guessed the Kerrs are left-handed. David ib David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 16:50:34 -0400 From: "John W. Bush" <jwb@alumni.stanford.org> To: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com>, Bob Boyce <rboyce@rand.lcl.lib.ne.us> Cc: stumpers <STUMPERS-LIST@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ""pele tower""--hunhh? Aww. I was hoping it was a tower owned by a Brazilian soccer player. ---------- At 10:38 AM 5/9/2001 -0500, Bob Boyce wrote: > Charles Todd uses the term "pele tower" in his novel Legacy of the >Dead (c. 2000). It refers to a pile of stones, the ruins of a tower in a >pasture in England. > Can anyone tell me where he got this odd phrase? The OED refers to the >Hawaiian volcano goddess, Pele, but I don't see any relation to Todd's >phrase. The stones are *not* volcanic. > Please respond to me directly, I'm not signed up. >TIA!! The preferred spelling is "peel tower" The following is from Chambers Dictionary *peel-house* or *peel-tower* (also *pele-house* or *pele-tower*; also with _cap_) _orig_ a fortified dwelling house, _usu_ entered by ladder to first floor, with a vaulted ground floor for cattle, common on the English/Scottish Borders (_hist_); now a loosely used term. The upper floors were often accessed by a circular staircase with a right-hand thread, so that a defender, with his sword arm on the outside, had an advantage over an attacker with his sword arm on the inside. Exceptionally the peels used by the Kerr family had circular staircases with a left-hand thread. As you will have guessed the Kerrs are left-handed. David ib David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:58:47 -0800 From: Daniel D Cornwall <dan_cornwall@eed.state.ak.us> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: ? Children's book where woman quits boring day job and travels with animals Dear Stumpers, I beg your collective wisdom on a children's literature question. I have a patron who knows the plot of a children's picture book in detail, but has NO idea of the author or title. Here is the plot summary as the patron told me. ===================PLOT=============================== Every day, for years, a woman goes to her dull day job that she doesn't like. Her coworkers don't really like her either and every day is dull and possibly painful. She is considered unattractive and untalented. Every night she goes home and trains a group of animals (we don't know what kind!, but there's several types.) One night, she realizes that her animal group is ready to take their show on the road. She quits her day job and she and her animals become a famous entertaining troupe! Her former coworkers are proud to say that they worked with the woman BEFORE she became famous! ==========================END PLOT=============================== Loving a challenge, I spoke to several local children's librarians and searched the following to no avail: A to Zoo: A subject guide to children's picture books Children's Books in Print WorldCat Google (scary to search "woman with performing animals"!) AND OF COURSE, the Stumpers Archives! If this plot rings even the faintest bell, would you please respond to me directly at dan_cornwall@eed.state.ak.us? I haven't been on the list for awhile, but please keep my address handy for Alaska-related questions! Respectfully, Daniel Cornwall Government Publications/Technical Services Librarian Alaska State Library PO Box 110571 Juneau, AK 99811-0571 (907) 465-2927 phone (907) 465-2665 fax dan_cornwall@eed.state.ak.us ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 17:26:51 -0400 From: Ernest Avery <averye@piedmont.cc.nc.us> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu, dan_cornwall@eed.state.ak.us Subj: %Re: ? Children's book where woman quits boring day job and travels withanimals For the archives, a copy of a record from NoveList that I e-mailed t= o Dan:=0D=0A=0D=0ALenore's big break, by Pearson, Susan = =0D=0A Publisher: Viking; 1992. unpaged. = =0D=0A Description: =0D=0AA mild-mannered secretary ch= anges her image and makes her dreams come true when she takes her tal= ented birds on "Amateur Hour."=0D=0A=0D=0ABooklist Review: Books for = Youth, For the Young:=0D=0A/*STARRED REVIEW*/ Ages 5-8. It's not easy= being an outsider; who doesn't feel on the outside looking in=20 at one time or another? Certainly not Lenore, nerd par excellence. H= er fellow office workers make fun of her, to the point of sticking "K= iss Me" signs on her back. But Lenore has learned to ignore them beca= use she has "Big Plans." Each night, she goes home where her birds ar= e waiting--not just any birds, but a whole slew of talented, winged = creatures, everything from hummingbirds to flamingos. The pelicans ta= p-dance, the puffins work the high wire, while parrots George and Gra= cie are bringing back vaudevi lle. This is Lenore's real life, training her birds for their big bre= ak in show business. When the birds win the Amateur Hour contest and = go on to television and movies, Lenore's reputation (and the birds') = is made. Now her co-workers remember her fondly--= "That Lenore. We=0D=0Aalways knew she'd be a star." Lenore doesn't th= ink about them at all. She's too busy lying in the sun, sipping a sod= a. Carlson's new-wave art is totally kid friendly. Whether showing Le= nore carrying bags of bread, a st ring of fish, and a bucket of worms or depicting a line of flamingos= in tutus performing Swan Lake, the pictures have a life and wit that= will please a wide range of ages. Although the story's premise = may strike some as sophisticated, there is a real mess= age here for children who may need encouragement to follow a differen= t drummer. He who laughs last . . . ((Reviewed Jan. 15, 1992)) -- Ile= ne Cooper =0D=0A=0D=0AErnest L Avery=0D=0ALibrarian-at-Large/Adjunct = Faculty--English=0D=0APiedmont Community Coll ege=0D=0APOB 1197, 1715 College Drive=0D=0ARoxboro NC 27573=0D=0A336= -599-1181 x231 Fax: 336-598-9283=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:10:08 -0500 From: "Michael J. Lowrey" <orange@execpc.com> To: dsgood@visi.com, Stumpers list <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: Private eyes in the 1950's, New York City in the 1950's >Someone in another forum wants information on how private detectives >operated in the 1950's, and on New York City (specifically, Manhattan and >the Bronx) in the 1950's. Reason for wanting the information: she's >writing a mystery story. > > All leads will be passed on. There's a Nero Wolfe novel (TOO MANY DETECTIVES, 1956?) in which this is a major element, if that helps. -- Michael J. Lowrey, Editor-in-Chief Sunrise Book & Software Reviews 1847 N. 2d Str.; Milwaukee, WI 53212-3760 414-229-5960 or 414-372-9745 http://www.uwm.edu/~orangest/ Member: National Writers Union/UAW; Wis. State Employees Union/AFSCME; I.U.660/IWW "I don't really believe that Bill Gates is, in actuality, Satan, but I'll bet Satan has a little Bill Gates icon on his front lawn and worships it every day right before he gets into his SUV to go to work." -- D. Gary Grady ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:36:19 -0700 From: Michael D Caricofe <heldntenor@juno.com> To: ibbetson@idirect.com Cc: rboyce@rand.lcl.lib.ne.us, STUMPERS-LIST@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ""pele tower""--hunhh? And here I was, thinking it was a Spoonerism of "telepower". > At 10:38 AM 5/9/2001 -0500, Bob Boyce wrote: > > > Charles Todd uses the term "pele tower" in his novel Legacy of > the > >Dead (c. 2000). It refers to a pile of stones, the ruins of a tower > in a > >pasture in England. > > Can anyone tell me where he got this odd phrase? The OED refers > to the > >Hawaiian volcano goddess, Pele, but I don't see any relation to > Todd's > >phrase. The stones are *not* volcanic. > > Please respond to me directly, I'm not signed up. > >TIA!! > Michael Caricofe Pain is simply a reminder that we are still alive. Smile and go on. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:12:11 +0100 From: Sylvia Milne <SMilne6@compuserve.com> Sender: SMilne6@compuserve.com To: Stumpers <STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ""pele tower""--hunhh? The OED gives "peel" as a small castle or tower. In the next village to ours is a big house called Peel Hall. Sylvia Milne Please visit me at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/SMilne6 ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 06:24:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Karrie Waarala <coyotegirl4@yahoo.com> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Sheet music - thanks! Thank you to everyone who helped out with the sheet music, esp. Judy Ewbank for faxing a copy of "Making Memories." My patron was delighted. Karrie Waarala Sturgis Public Library __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:08:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dexter Honeycutt (SAR)" <honeycut@virtu.sar.usf.edu> To: STUMPERS <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Deforestation replies Many thanks to Lee, T(ops)O(n)D(eforestation)D(esertification), Tsviya, Chris (& send my thanks to Renee), Marilyn, and Karen. I'm passing along the information you all sent to the patron. Your responses also made me read my question again - what a horrible patron I make. My patron is doing research on the effects of deforestation of the world's rainforests and is looking for maps that would show or demonstrate the effects of humans "cutting down all the trees for the wood." His theory is that humans "helped along" climatic changes. And he would like maps that could illustrate his point of historical environmental degredation. Thanks again. Dexter who still can visualize the young patron not understanding why he couldn't get the newspaper photo of the signing of the Decalaration of Independence "I enjoyed learning those cataloguing rules: they seemed designed to hide books so that no one, outside a small circle of initiates, would ever be able to find them again." -Oxford Exit- Veronica Stallwood ******************************************************************** Dexter Honeycutt Environmental Librarian Selby Public Library 1331 First Street Sarasota, FL 34236 941-316-1181, ext 260 941-316-1188 fax ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:11:09 -0400 (EDT) From: K Smuz/Dunedin <smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: obit.--Riverside CA My patron is looking for an obituary for Henry Alderton, who died June 5, 1997. He lived in Riverside CA. We checked the databases we have and found 2 Henry Aldertons, but not the right year or location Do any western w*mb*ts have access to the archives from a newspaper for that area? Many thanks-- Kathy Smuz Dunedin Public Library 223 Douglas Ave. Dunedin, FL 34698 (727) 298-3080 FAX (727) 298-3088 ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:15:02 -0500 From: "Lesli M. Moore" <lesli@acad.udallas.edu> To: Stumpers1 <StumPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: No ? just FYI - Wombat book Found the perfect book for the wombats. Carolyn Cushman. _Witch and Wombat_. The creatures of fairy tales are in danger of extinction because they require human belief in them to exist, and in a world of television and computers, children are not being told fairy tales anymore. A troll named Bentwood decides to inveigle humans into visiting Fairyland by pretending it's an ultimate virtual reality game. He hires Hali (a witch) and her familiar, Bernie (a crow, converted into a wombat because he's cuter that way) to guide the first four adventurers, an oddly assorted lot of three teenage game experts and one sneering middle-aged game reviewer. Wonderful fun, and a terrific read-aloud. [from http://marylaine.com/bookbyte/fantasy.html] Hmmm, now how can we make this work for libraries?? :) Lesli M. Moore Digital Library Coordinator/ Reference Librarian University of Dallas ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:27:43 -0400 From: Charles Early <ctearly@yahoo.com> To: "Dexter Honeycutt (SAR)" <honeycut@virtu.sar.usf.edu>, Subj: Re: Deforestation replies One classic publication on this topic is: Man's role in changing the face of the earth. Author: International Symposium on Man's Role in Changing the Face of the Earth (1955 : Princeton, N. J.) mn Title: Man's role in changing the face of the earth. Edited by William L. Thomas, with the collaboration of Carl O. Sauer, Marston Bates [and] Lewis Mumford. Physical description: xxxviii, 1193 p. illus., maps (part fold. col. on lining papers) 25 cm. Publisher: Chicago, Published for the Wenner-Gren Foundation for Anthropological Research and the National Science Foundation by the University of Chicago Press [1956] Subjects: Human geography --Congresses. Geography --congresses Other entry(ies): Thomas, William Leroy, 1920- Notes: Includes bibliographies. OCLC number : 00276231 At 10:08 AM 5/10/2001 -0400, Dexter Honeycutt (SAR) wrote: >Many thanks to Lee, T(ops)O(n)D(eforestation)D(esertification), Tsviya, >Chris (& send my thanks to Renee), Marilyn, and Karen. I'm passing along >the information you all sent to the patron. > >Your responses also made me read my question again - what a horrible >patron I make. My patron is doing research on the effects of deforestation >of the world's rainforests and is looking for maps that would show or >demonstrate the effects of humans "cutting down all the trees for the >wood." His theory is that humans "helped along" climatic changes. And he >would like maps that could illustrate his point of historical >environmental degredation. Thanks again. > >Dexter >who still can visualize the young patron not understanding why he >couldn't get the newspaper photo of the signing of the Decalaration of >Independence > >"I enjoyed learning those cataloguing rules: they seemed designed to hide >books so that no one, outside a small circle of initiates, would ever be >able to find them again." -Oxford Exit- Veronica Stallwood > > ******************************************************************** > Dexter Honeycutt > Environmental Librarian > Selby Public Library > 1331 First Street > Sarasota, FL 34236 > 941-316-1181, ext 260 > 941-316-1188 fax _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:13:55 -0700 From: "DeFato, Joan" <joan.defato@arboretum.org> To: 'K Smuz/Dunedin' <smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: RE: obit.--Riverside CA This is the site for the local history section of the Riverside Public Library. Perhaps they index obituary information. http://www.ci.riverside.ca.us/library/Local_History.htm The homepage for the Riverside Press-Enterprise is http://www.inlandempireonline.com/ but I did not find the name in the archives for 1997. Joan DeFato Plant Science Library The Arboretum of Los Angeles County 301 North Baldwin Avenue Arcadia, CA 91007-2697 Phone: (626) 821-3213 Fax: (626) 445-1217 -----Original Message----- From: K Smuz/Dunedin [mailto:smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 7:11 AM To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: obit.--Riverside CA My patron is looking for an obituary for Henry Alderton, who died June 5,1997. He lived in Riverside CA. Do any western w*mb*ts have access to the archives from a newspaper for that area? ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:32:57 -0700 (PDT) From: John Riffe <alfredhitchcock@yahoo.com> To: K Smuz/Dunedin <smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: % Re: obit.--Riverside CA > My patron is looking for an obituary for Henry > Alderton, who died June 5, > 1997. He lived in Riverside CA. We checked the > Many thanks-- > > Kathy Smuz > Dunedin Public Library > 223 Douglas Ave. > Dunedin, FL 34698 > (727) 298-3080 > FAX (727) 298-3088 > The newspaper for the Riverside California area is The Inland Empire. They are online at http://www.inlandempire.com They have an online archives. I searched for an obit from June 5 though June 15, 1997 and did not find one. You are welcome to try yourself. Sorry I didn't have any luck. John Riffe Parmly Billings Library 510 N. Broadway Billings MT 59101 ===== " Drama is life with the dull bits left out. " Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:38:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John Riffe <alfredhitchcock@yahoo.com> To: smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: URL CORRECTION sFwd: % Re: obit.--Riverside CA OOPS I need to make a url correction the newspaper url is http://www.inlandempireonline.com Sorry about the mistake. John --- John Riffe <alfredhitchcock@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:32:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: John Riffe <alfredhitchcock@yahoo.com> > Subject: % Re: obit.--Riverside CA > To: K Smuz/Dunedin <smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org>, > stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu > > > My patron is looking for an obituary for Henry > > Alderton, who died June 5, > > 1997. He lived in Riverside CA. We checked the > > Many thanks-- > > > > Kathy Smuz > > Dunedin Public Library > > 223 Douglas Ave. > > Dunedin, FL 34698 > > (727) 298-3080 > > FAX (727) 298-3088 > > > > The newspaper for the Riverside California area is > The > Inland Empire. They are online at > http://www.inlandempire.com They have an online > archives. I searched for an obit from June 5 though > June 15, 1997 and did not find one. You are welcome > to > try yourself. Sorry I didn't have any luck. > > John Riffe > Parmly Billings Library > 510 N. Broadway > Billings MT 59101 > > ===== > " Drama is life with the dull bits left out. " > Alfred Hitchcock > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ===== " Drama is life with the dull bits left out. " Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:07:18 -0500 From: Daphne Drewello <drewello@daktel.com> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ? Re: Maggots *Do not read if you have a sensitive stomach.* Today when I was working in the children's library, I received the following question: "Hey Lady! My friend says you guys know everything. Would you get sick if you ate fly maggots? What about if they had been eating something like rotten meat? "And dogs and birds eat fly maggots and they don't get sick so why do people? If they do? Do animals have different stom- achs?" I'm going to assume that the ingestion of the "fly maggots" would be accidental. Over to you folks. Lady Drewello Alfred Dickey Library Jamestown, ND ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:15:03 -0500 From: Daphne Drewello <drewello@daktel.com> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ? 'Toilets' on immigrant ships Another question from the children's section. A young lady read in one of the American Girl Kirsten books that there were no toilets on the ships the immigrants sailed in. Well, of course, I knew that. But then she asked "So where did they go? In a bucket? Down a hole? Over the side? Did they get to go by themselves or was everyone watching? And did they empty the bucket right away? And did they have to bring their own bucket along from Sweden? And how did they wash their hands? And did they have water to drink? And did they have to bring along ANOTHER bucket for their water?" I can hardly wait til the summer programs begin. Bemused in North Dakota. Daphne Drewello Alfred Dickey Library Jamestown, ND ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:18:16 -0700 From: "DeFato, Joan" <joan.defato@arboretum.org> To: 'K Smuz/Dunedin' <smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: RE: obit.--Riverside CA I did a search on the California death records at http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi and found Henry George Alderton who died in Riverside County on June 5, 1997. It gives a Social Security number as well but searching that number in the Social Security Death Index gives a negative result. Joan DeFato Plant Science Library The Arboretum of Los Angeles County 301 North Baldwin Avenue Arcadia, CA 91007-2697 Phone: (626) 821-3213 Fax: (626) 445-1217 -----Original Message----- From: K Smuz/Dunedin [mailto:smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 7:11 AM To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: obit.--Riverside CA My patron is looking for an obituary for Henry Alderton, who died June 5, 1997. He lived in Riverside CA. We checked the databases we have and found 2 Henry Aldertons, but not the right year or location ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:44:31 -0700 (PDT) From: John Riffe <alfredhitchcock@yahoo.com> To: Stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?You Don't Own Me Lyrics from First Wives Club This question is for me. I am the patron on this one. I am looking for a copy of the lyrics to You Don't Own Me as sung by Goldie Hawn, Diane Keaton and Bette Midler in The First Wives Club movie. I think the lyrics are somewhat different than the original version done by Lesley Gore. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. John Riffe Parmly Billings Library 510 N. Broadway Billings MT 59101 ===== " Drama is life with the dull bits left out. " Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:55:10 -0500 From: LIB_SME <LIB_SME@shsu.edu> To: 'John Riffe' <alfredhitchcock@yahoo.com>, Stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: RE: ?You Don't Own Me Lyrics from First Wives Club John, I found the The lyrics at the following website: http://www.bettelyrics.com/y.htm#You5 I did a google search for "you don't own me lyrics first wives club" Might as well cut and paste for you as well :) Susanna Eng Sam Houston State University You Don't Own Me trio with Diane Keaton and Goldie Hawn by John Madara and David White from the soundtrack to "The First Wives Club" Bette: You don't own me. I'm not just one of your many toys. Goldie: You don't own me. Don't say I can't go with other boys. B&G: Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba Diane: And don't tell me what to do. And don't tell me what to say. And when I go out with you, don't put me on display. G: "Pretty good!" B: "I'm impressed!" (In the movie, Bette says, "You remember!") All: You don't own me. Don't try to change me in any way. You don't own me. Don't tie me down 'cause I'll never stay. B: I don't tell you what to say. G: I don't tell you what to do. D: So just let me be myself. All: That's all I ask of you. I'm young and I love to be young. I'm free and I love to be free; to live my life the way that I want; to say and do whatever I please. D: I'm young B: I'm young G: and I love to be young. D: I'm free G: I'm free B: and I love to be free; All: to live my life the way that I want; to say and do whatever I please. No, no! You don't own me. You don't own me. You don't own me. Forever young and free. Darling, you don't own me. You don't own me. You don't own me. Forever young and free. Darling, you don't own me. You don't own me. You don't own me. Forever young and free. Darling, you don't own me. You don't own me. You don't own me. Forever young and free. Darling, you don't own me. You don't own me. You don't own me. Forever young and free. Darling, you don't own me. You don't own me. You don't own me. Forever young and free. Darling, you don't own me . . . -----Original Message----- From: John Riffe [mailto:alfredhitchcock@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:45 PM To: Stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: ?You Don't Own Me Lyrics from First Wives Club This question is for me. I am the patron on this one. I am looking for a copy of the lyrics to You Don't Own Me as sung by Goldie Hawn, Diane Keaton and Bette Midler in The First Wives Club movie. I think the lyrics are somewhat different than the original version done by Lesley Gore. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. John Riffe Parmly Billings Library 510 N. Broadway Billings MT 59101 ===== " Drama is life with the dull bits left out. " Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:57:58 -0400 From: Beth Nicholson <nicholsb@clark.lib.wv.us> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: ?What president worked in a broom factory This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_cM1ckwPqpLpJ/nhWoOlaYQ) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I've been trying unsuccessfully for a couple of days to get to the ar= chives, so forgive me if this is already there.=0D=0A=0D=0AA local in= structor likes to use the president who started in a broom factory an= d ended in the White House as a motivational tour. Unfortunately, he = has forgotten which president.=0D=0A=0D=0AThe reference staff and I h= ave been searching for 2 days, learned a ton of presidential trivia w= e never wanted to know, and have come up empty. I can't even begin to= tell you where all we have looked, since we=20 think we have left no stone unturned inhouse or on the Internet.=0D= =0A=0D=0AI know one of you knows the answer. Help!=0D=0A=0D=0AThanks,= =0D=0ABeth=0D=0A=0D=0ABeth Nicholson, Director=0D=0AClarksburg-Harris= on Public Library=0D=0A404 W. 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Unfortunately, he= =0D=0Ahas forgotten which president.</DIV>=0D=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>= =0D=0A<DIV>The reference staff and I have been searching for 2 days, = learned a ton of =0D=0Apresidential trivia we never wanted to know, a= nd have come up empty. I can't =0D=0Aeven begin to tell you where all= we have looked, since we think we have left no =0D=0Astone unturned = inhouse or on the Internet.</DIV>=0D=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0D=0A<DIV>I = know one of you knows the answer. Help!</DIV>=0D=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>= =0D=0A<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>=0D=0A<DIV>Beth</DIV>=0D=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>= =0D=0A<DIV>Beth Nicholson, Director<BR>Clarksburg-Harrison Public Lib= rary<BR>404 W. =0D=0APike Street<BR>Clarksburg, WV&nbsp; 26301<BR>(30= 4)627-2236, FAX =0D=0A(304)627-2239<BR><A =0D=0Ahref=3D"mailto:nichol= sb@clark.lib.wv.us">nicholsb@clark.lib.wv.us</A></DIV></BODY></HTML>= =0D=0A= --Boundary_(ID_cM1ckwPqpLpJ/nhWoOlaYQ)-- ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:12:05 -0700 (PDT) From: John Riffe <alfredhitchcock@yahoo.com> To: LIB_SME <LIB_SME@shsu.edu>, Stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: * RE: ?You Don't Own Me Lyrics from First Wives Club A special thank you to Susanna Eng for coming up with The First Wives Club's version of You Don't Own Me. As always the folks on Stumpers are the best! Thanks, John ===== " Drama is life with the dull bits left out. " Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:23:48 -0400 From: Dusty Gres <gresd@mail.toombs.public.lib.ga.us> To: Beth Nicholson <nicholsb@clark.lib.wv.us>, STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: RE: ?What president worked in a broom factory This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_BNtwz0dq5gMFRyaahUY90w) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Is it possible that your patron has his famous people mixed up? John Muir, the famous naturalist and first President of the Sierra Club, worked in a broom factory when young. ***** Dusty Gres, Director Ohoopee Regional Library System Hdqrts: Vidalia-Toombs County Library 610 Jackson Street Vidalia, GA 30474 PH: (912)537-9283 FAX: (912) 537-3735 Email: gresd@mail.toombs.public.lib.ga.us Web: http://www.toombs.public.lib.ga.us -----Original Message----- From: Beth Nicholson [mailto:nicholsb@clark.lib.wv.us] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 3:58 PM To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subject: ?What president worked in a broom factory I've been trying unsuccessfully for a couple of days to get to the archives, so forgive me if this is already there. A local instructor likes to use the president who started in a broom factory and ended in the White House as a motivational tour. Unfortunately, he has forgotten which president. The reference staff and I have been searching for 2 days, learned a ton of presidential trivia we never wanted to know, and have come up empty. I can't even begin to tell you where all we have looked, since we think we have left no stone unturned inhouse or on the Internet. I know one of you knows the answer. Help! Thanks, Beth Beth Nicholson, Director Clarksburg-Harrison Public Library 404 W. Pike Street Clarksburg, WV 26301 (304)627-2236, FAX (304)627-2239 nicholsb@clark.lib.wv.us --Boundary_(ID_BNtwz0dq5gMFRyaahUY90w) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">=0D= =0A<HTML><HEAD>=0D=0A<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dwindows-12= 52" http-equiv=3DContent-Type>=0D=0A<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314= .1000" name=3DGENERATOR>=0D=0A<STYLE></STYLE>=0D=0A</HEAD>=0D=0A<BODY= bgColor=3D#ffffff>=0D=0A<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size= =3D2><SPAN class=3D930292220-10052001>Is it =0D=0Apossible that your = patron has his famous people mixed up?&nbsp; John Muir, the =0D=0Afam= ous naturalist and first President of the Sierra Club, worked in a br= oom =0D=0Afactory when young.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>=0D=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</D= IV><BR><BR>=0D=0A<P><FONT size=3D2>*****<BR>Dusty Gres, Director<BR>O= hoopee Regional Library =0D=0ASystem<BR>Hdqrts: Vidalia-Toombs County= Library<BR>610 Jackson =0D=0AStreet<BR>Vidalia, GA 30474<BR>PH: (912= )537-9283<BR>FAX: (912) =0D=0A537-3735<BR>Email: gresd@mail.toombs.pu= blic.lib.ga.us<BR>Web: <A =0D=0Ahref=3D"http://www.toombs.public.lib.= ga.us/" =0D=0Atarget=3D_blank>http://www.toombs.public.lib.ga.us</A> = </FONT></P>=0D=0A<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=0D=0A <DIV= align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DTah= oma =0D=0A size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Beth = Nicholson =0D=0A [mailto:nicholsb@clark.lib.wv.us]<BR><B>Sent:</B> T= hursday, May 10, 2001 3:58 =0D=0A PM<BR><B>To:</B> STUMPERS-L@cuis.e= du<BR><B>Subject:</B> ?What president worked =0D=0A in a broom facto= ry<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>=0D=0A <DIV>I've been trying unsuccessfully f= or a couple of days to get to the =0D=0A archives, so forgive me if = this is already there.</DIV>=0D=0A <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0D=0A <DIV>A l= ocal instructor likes to use the president who started in a broom = =0D=0A factory and ended in the White House as a motivational tour. = Unfortunately, he =0D=0A has forgotten which president.</DIV>=0D= =0A <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0D=0A <DIV>The reference staff and I have bee= n searching for 2 days, learned a ton =0D=0A of presidential trivia = we never wanted to know, and have come up empty. I =0D=0A can't even= begin to tell you where all we have looked, since we think we have = =0D=0A left no stone unturned inhouse or on the Internet.</DIV>=0D= =0A <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0D=0A <DIV>I know one of you knows the answer= . Help!</DIV>=0D=0A <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0D=0A <DIV>Thanks,</DIV>=0D= =0A <DIV>Beth</DIV>=0D=0A <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0D=0A <DIV>Beth Nichol= son, Director<BR>Clarksburg-Harrison Public Library<BR>404 W. =0D= =0A Pike Street<BR>Clarksburg, WV&nbsp; 26301<BR>(304)627-2236, FAX = =0D=0A (304)627-2239<BR><A =0D=0A href=3D"mailto:nicholsb@clark.lib= .wv.us">nicholsb@clark.lib.wv.us</A></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>= =0D=0A= --Boundary_(ID_BNtwz0dq5gMFRyaahUY90w)-- ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:27:53 -0500 From: Heidi Armstrong Temple <htemple@tc.umn.edu> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ? rules for ""estimate"" card game Patron would like the rules for a card game called "Estimate." The only details provided are that 52 cards are used and you bid on what a hand is worth. So far, we've checked several books on card games and have spent some time at www.pagat.com. There's nothing for this name. Do these sketchy details ring any bells with you? Thanks in advance! --------------------------------------------------------------- Heidi Armstrong Temple MINITEX Reference Services University of Minnesota htemple@tc.umn.edu ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:47:59 +1200 From: Myles McIntyre <myles@paradise.net.nz> To: "Dexter Honeycutt (SAR)" <honeycut@virtu.sar.usf.edu>, Subj: Re: Deforestation replies Hi Dexter, I have the following book: Goudie, Andrew. The Human impact on the natural environment. Blackwell, 1986 2nd edition ISBN 0631137599 ISBN 0631137580 (pbk) This has a chapter "The human impact on vegetation" which discusses deforestation and includes a map showing the changing distribution of forest in Central Europe between 900 AD and 1900 AD. May be of some use. Regards Myles McIntyre ************************************************** Myles McIntyre Information Solutions 143 Clyde Road, Christchurch, New Zealand Email: infosol@paradise.net.nz Phone and Fax: +64 3 351 8950 Information -- Knowledge -- Excellence *********************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dexter Honeycutt (SAR)" <honeycut@virtu.sar.usf.edu> To: "STUMPERS" <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 2:08 AM Subject: Deforestation replies > Many thanks to Lee, T(ops)O(n)D(eforestation)D(esertification), Tsviya, > Chris (& send my thanks to Renee), Marilyn, and Karen. I'm passing along > the information you all sent to the patron. > > Your responses also made me read my question again - what a horrible > patron I make. My patron is doing research on the effects of deforestation > of the world's rainforests and is looking for maps that would show or > demonstrate the effects of humans "cutting down all the trees for the > wood." His theory is that humans "helped along" climatic changes. And he > would like maps that could illustrate his point of historical > environmental degredation. Thanks again. > > Dexter > who still can visualize the young patron not understanding why he > couldn't get the newspaper photo of the signing of the Decalaration of > Independence > > "I enjoyed learning those cataloguing rules: they seemed designed to hide > books so that no one, outside a small circle of initiates, would ever be > able to find them again." -Oxford Exit- Veronica Stallwood > > ******************************************************************** > Dexter Honeycutt > Environmental Librarian > Selby Public Library > 1331 First Street > Sarasota, FL 34236 > 941-316-1181, ext 260 > 941-316-1188 fax > > ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:21:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul Ritty Jr." <pritty@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: terms A. D. & B. C. How did the terms B. C. & A. D. come to be used, who may have instituted their use? Essentially, how did it originate. We know what they mean, so we don't need that information. Paul Ritty ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:50:11 -0500 (CDT) From: C V <cvj@metronet.com> To: "Paul Ritty Jr." <pritty@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us> Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: terms A. D. & B. C. On Thu, 10 May 2001, Paul Ritty Jr. wrote: > How did the terms B. C. & A. D. come to be used, who may have instituted > their use? Essentially, how did it originate. We know what they mean, > so we don't need that information. > Paul Ritty > Must be time for spring cleaning, here we go again, yet again from the archives ... I understand this is more than requested, but the answer isn't exactly as cut and dried as presumed ... Connie (again) This is a section of the document 'gopher_root:[searchidx]stumpers-l_2000-09.txt;30'. Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:59:13 -0500 (CDT) From: C V <cvj@metronet.com> To: edith smith <billsmom02@yahoo.com> Cc: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: Origin of an Acronym On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, edith smith wrote: > We have a question bouncing around our library from an > online questor: Why is B.C. in English and A.D. in > Latin (or is there a Latin translation for the > abbreviation B.C.?) > From the archives ... I searched on "anno". Connie This is a section of the document 'gopher_root:[searchidx]stumpers-l_1997-03.txt;31'. Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:41:12 -0500 (EST) From: JEFF <JCRAMER@MBLN.LIB.MA.US> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ? A.D. vs B.C. A patron would like to know why the time designators A.D. and B.C. are in different languages: Anno Domini (in the year of our Lord = Latin) and Before Christ (English)? Many thanks in advance for any help you can give. -- Jeff Cramer Boston Public Library jcramer@mbln.lib.ma.us This is a section of the document 'gopher_root:[searchidx]stumpers-l_1997-03.txt;31'. Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:33:44 -0800 From: Rich Hansen <rhansen@best.com> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? A.D. vs B.C. >This of course does not answer the question as to why AD is Latin and BC = is English. My dictionaries and encyclopedias are of no help there and I = really would like to know the answer to this one. I have absolutely no proof of this surmise. However, that hasn't stopped me before. I suspect that the AD usage in English comes from Royal, and other charters in the Middle Ages (when all documents of any importance where in Latin). Mediaeval charters always ended with something to the effect "Given at Westminster in the 8th year of King Edward in the year of our Lord xxx". Of course the -in the year of our Lord - was -in anno domine- FWIW The fact that until renaissance and modern times there wasn't a need to refer to any time period BC. In the early Europen period you would be much more likely to run into AUC (Ab Urbs Condite -From the founding of the City - ie Rome Rich This is a section of the document 'gopher_root:[searchidx]stumpers-l_1996-12.txt;31'. Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:22:33 +0200 (IST) From: Tsviya Polani <tpolani@bgumail.bgu.ac.il> To: Stumpers <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: bce and ce Since questions concerning the origin of the use of bce and ce among Jews have now been raised twice on Stumpers, I decided to try to do some research based on Fred Shaprio's citation of the OED. For what it is worth, for the archives, and for anyone who might be interested, here is what I found out. The OED attributes the first use of BCE to Lady Katie Emanuel Magnus (1844-1924?) in the book About the Jews Since Bible Times, published in 1881 and the first use of CE to Lady Magnus in Outlines of Jewish History, published in 1886. I have no access to the former, unless I look it up in the Jewish National and University Library next time I am in Jerusalem, but I do have a copy of the 1890 second revised edition of the Outlines of Jewish History. Here the references are to BC and either AC or CE. AC, according to the Acronyms, Initialisms and Abbreviations Dictionary as well as several regular dictionaries, stands for After Christ or Anno Christi. I found four uses of CE in Outlines of Jewish History. On page 45: "Hillel was president of the Sanhedrin from 31 B.C. till the year 9 of the common era." On page 53, "the Alexandrian philosopher Philo ... was born about the year 1 C.E." And on page 69, "on the 7th of Ab, 3830 of the Jewish era (corresponding to the year 70 C.E.)..." Also on the (I've forgotten my introduction to bibliography course but think it is called the) running title page "Outlines of Jewish History, B.C. 586 to C.E. 1890" As Lady Magnus says herself in her preface, this book is intended for children; and Cecil Roth in The Evolution of Anglo-Jewish Literature, London, Edward Goldston Ltd., 1937 refers to Outlines as "the most popular School History." (page 11) The fact that the author at no time explains her use of AC or CE (other than simply writing "common era" once) in a book intended for children would imply that the terms needed no explanation. In other words, they were in common use. The OED gives one other related citation, also from London. 1838 Elias Hayyim Lindo. Jewish Calendar. Tables for Continuing the Calendar to AM 6000 - 2240 C AE (that is ae written attached). Also a heading in this book: 3760 C. AE (attached). Commencement of the Christian Aera (again, AE attached). AM is anno mundi, reflecting the fact that the traditional Jewish calendar is dated from the creation of the world. I think, however, that C AE can be taken as a direct precursor to CE. Since my comments are half verified and half opinion, I will add that I think there is a substantial difference philosophically to a non-Christian between CE or AC and AD. Tsviya Polani Reference Librarian Aranne Library Ben-Gurion University of the Negev ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:48:48 -0800 From: Beth Bishop <bethb@juneau.lib.ak.us> To: "Ak (E-mail)" <aslill@educ.state.ak.us>, Subj: HOMEPAGE VIRUS Do not open homepage!!!!! Beth Bishop Interlibrary Loans Juneau Public Library 292 Marine Way Juneau, AK 99801 Ph: 907-586-0437 Fax: 907-586-5383 ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:53:24 -0700 From: Ellen Cousins <ellen@smithie.com> To: Beth Nicholson <nicholsb@clark.lib.wv.us> Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?What president worked in a broom factory What a great example for tomorrow's leaders: Warren G. Harding made brooms in a sawmill as a youngster: As a boy Warren helped his father on the farm. During summer vacations he worked in a sawmill making brooms and drove a team of horses for the Toledo and Ohio Central Railroad. His father later said of him, "Warren was always willing to work hard if there was any money in it." He also worked as a printer's devil, or apprentice, and office boy on the Caledonia Argus, a local newspaper. There he learned how to set type and gained his first newspaper experience. http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/nbk/bios/29phard.html Ellen C. Beth Nicholson wrote: > I've been trying unsuccessfully for a couple of days to get to the > archives, so forgive me if this is already there. > > > > A local instructor likes to use the president who started in a broom > factory and ended in the White House as a motivational tour. > Unfortunately, he has forgotten which president. > > > > The reference staff and I have been searching for 2 days, learned a ton > of presidential trivia we never wanted to know, and have come up empty. > I can't even begin to tell you where all we have looked, since we think > we have left no stone unturned inhouse or on the Internet. > > > > I know one of you knows the answer. Help! > > > > Thanks, > > Beth > > > > Beth Nicholson, Director > Clarksburg-Harrison Public Library > 404 W. Pike Street > Clarksburg, WV 26301 > (304)627-2236, FAX (304)627-2239 > nicholsb@clark.lib.wv.us <mailto:nicholsb@clark.lib.wv.us> ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:53:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Lois Fundis <fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us> To: "Paul Ritty Jr." <pritty@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us> Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: terms A. D. & B. C. At 06:21 PM 05/10/2001 -0400, Paul Ritty Jr. wrote: >How did the terms B. C. & A. D. come to be used, who may have instituted >their use? Essentially, how did it originate. We know what they mean, >so we don't need that information. This topic has come up several times before. If you can access the Stumpers Archives, try to look under the full terms "Anno Domini" and/or "Before Christ". The former term dates back to the Middle Ages, which is why it's in Latin, but the latter term is relatively newer. The archives are at gopher://gopher.cuis.edu/77:nosort:gopher_root:[000000]_search.shell%20gophe r_root:[searchidx]stumpers-l* (Or go to http://www.cuis.edu/~stumpers/ and click where it says, "Search the Stumpers Archives.") There are modern variants, "C.E" for "Common Era" and "B.C.E.", for "Before the Common Era", that are often seen in more modern scholarly works. These acknowledge that (a) the dating of the birth of Christ is almost certainly a few years off (He was probably born in 4 to 6 B.C., not 1 B.C. as the calendar would have it) and (b) not everyone is Christian and many non-Christians are uncomfortable with imposing religion on something as common as a dating system. And remember: there was no Year Zero, so 1 B.C. was followed by 1 A.D. (or 1 B.C.E. was followed by 1 C.E., if you prefer), which is why this year, 2001, is the first year of the new millennium, and not last year as many people assumed when they saw the 000's roll over. Although if we really knew when Jesus was really born, He'd probably be at least 2005 now. Lois (whose car is due to "roll over" at 100,000 miles sometime this summer) * * * * Lois Aleta Fundis, Reference ^~~~~^ and Gov't. Documents Librarian Mary H. Weir Public Library, (O) (O) Weirton, WV 26062 fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us . \/ . 304-797-8510 (fax -8526) "Carpe librum!" ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:52:16 -0600 From: "T.F. Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: terms A. D. & B. C. On 10 May 2001, at 18:21, Paul Ritty Jr. wrote: > How did the terms B. C. & A. D. come to be used, who may have instituted > their use? Essentially, how did it originate. We know what they mean, > so we don't need that information. The monk Dionysius Exiguus invented the calendar dating the Christian era from the birth of Christ in 525 AD. It caught on very slowly, and the term "Before Christ" for dating came later. Counting in the west until then was generally from the founding of Rome. Dionysius placed Christ's birth at 753 AUC (ab urbe condita), which in turn makes the founding of Rome 753 BC. He was a few years off (which makes the dating of our new millennium a minor academic discussion about an odometer roll-over). T(empus) F(ugit) Mills tfmills@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado, USA) Stumpers-L Unofficial Pages: http://wombats.areawesome.net ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:36:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> To: Ellen Cousins <ellen@smithie.com> Cc: Beth Nicholson <nicholsb@clark.lib.wv.us>, STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?What president worked in a broom factory On Thu, 10 May 2001, Ellen Cousins wrote: > > What a great example for tomorrow's leaders: Warren G. Harding made > brooms in a sawmill as a youngster: > > As a boy Warren helped his father on the farm. During summer vacations > he worked in a sawmill making brooms and drove a team of horses for the > Toledo and Ohio Central Railroad. His father later said of him, "Warren > was always willing to work hard if there was any money in it." He also > worked as a printer's devil, or apprentice, and office boy on the > Caledonia Argus, a local newspaper. There he learned how to set type and > gained his first newspaper experience. > > http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/nbk/bios/29phard.html > > Ellen C. > > > > Beth Nicholson wrote: > > > I've been trying unsuccessfully for a couple of days to get to the > > archives, so forgive me if this is already there. > > > > A local instructor likes to use the president who started in a broom > > factory and ended in the White House as a motivational tour. > > Unfortunately, he has forgotten which president. > > > > > > > > The reference staff and I have been searching for 2 days, learned a ton > > of presidential trivia we never wanted to know, and have come up empty. > > I can't even begin to tell you where all we have looked, since we think > > we have left no stone unturned inhouse or on the Internet. > > > > > > > > I know one of you knows the answer. Help! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Beth After finding out which President it is, your instructor may want to choose another President, since Harding always finishes in the Worst category of every poll taken of major historians over the past fifty years, a distinction he shares with Ulysses Grant. If he want some presidential examples aside from Lincoln who started life under less than favorable circumstances, good choices would be Millard Fillmore (apprenticed to a wool carder and no formal education till age 18; he later married his teacher), Andrew Johnson (a runaway tailor's apprentice whose wife taught him to read), and James Garfield (lost his father at an early age and worked on the Erie Canal as a youth). Dwight Eisenhower's family was poor, but I believe all six sons managed to get a college education (in Ike's case, West Point), and his brother Milton was a renowned educator who became President of Johns Hopkins. Quite a pair for one family! ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:05:08 -0500 (CDT) From: C V <cvj@metronet.com> To: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> Cc: Ellen Cousins <ellen@smithie.com>, Subj: Re: ?What president worked in a broom factory Lest we forget Harry Truman ... who went bankrupt. His life was not the greatest when he was 60. He came into office very ill prepared, and endured one of the most hostile Congresses. It was not until many years had passed that he was given grudging credit for doing a very demanding job, inherited under terrible circumstances, somewhat admirably. Warren Harding should have stuck with brooms, he left such a mess that the whole factory couldn't have swept it up. Connie On Thu, 10 May 2001, Denise_Montgomery wrote: > > On Thu, 10 May 2001, Ellen Cousins wrote: > > > > What a great example for tomorrow's leaders: Warren G. Harding made > > brooms in a sawmill as a youngster: > > After finding out which President it is, your instructor may want to > choose another President, since Harding always finishes in the Worst > category of every poll taken of major historians over the past fifty > years, a distinction he shares with Ulysses Grant. If he want some > presidential examples aside from Lincoln who started life under less than > favorable circumstances, good choices would be Millard Fillmore > (apprenticed to a wool carder and no formal education till age 18; he > later married his teacher), Andrew Johnson (a runaway tailor's apprentice > whose wife taught him to read), and James Garfield (lost his father at an > early age and worked on the Erie Canal as a youth). Dwight Eisenhower's > family was poor, but I believe all six sons managed to get a college > education (in Ike's case, West Point), and his brother Milton was a > renowned educator who became President of Johns Hopkins. Quite a pair for > one family! ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:05:45 -0400 (EDT) From: LILongJr@aol.com To: pritty@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us, STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: terms A. D. & B. C. --Boundary_(ID_us5O2VdfTm8vdQum3CuRFw) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 5/10/2001 3:30:12 PM US Mountain Standard Time, pritty@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us writes: > How did the terms B. C. & A. D. come to be used, who may have instituted > their use? Essentially, how did it originate. We know what they mean, > B.C. allegedly means "Before Christ" and A.D. is an abbreviation of the Latin "Anno Domini", or "In the Year of the [Our] Lord". Neither my Random House unabridged, nor my American Heritage unabridged give origins other than that. However, for the record, they record usage notes that are almost identical. "B.C." comes after the date, as in 325 B.C.; however, "A.D." comes BEFORE the date, as in "A.D. 2001". Cute, hmm? 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I thought Harding was a strong possibility, but we could find nothing to back it up. Thanks again, everybody. Beth ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:47:04 -0400 From: "Dunham, Christopher" <CDunham@mail.fairfield.edu> To: "'stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: ?NY State Youth Labor Law Happy Spring, everyone! A friend has asked me to confirm or refute that the State of New York requires anyone under 18 years of age to have a physical examination within the past year in order to get working papers. Without easy access to New York codes and regulations, I'd like to know broadly, but the instance in question involves summer camp jobs, if that matters in anyone's search. Thanks, Christopher S. Dunham, Reference Librarian DiMenna-Nyselius Library, Fairfield University 1073 North Benson Road Fairfield, CT 06430-5195 (203)254-4206 ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:51:11 -0400 From: "Peter T. Prunka" <pprunka@prunka.com> To: "Dunham, Christopher" <CDunham@mail.fairfield.edu>, Subj: RE: !!NY State Youth Labor Law From the website of the MYS Department of Labor: "Minors can obtain employment certificates or permits from the school they attend or from the superintendent of schools in that area. The paperwork required include: "Written permission from a parent to work. (There are exceptions for minors considered to be emancipated by school authorities) Proof of age, either a birth certificate or some other document at least two years old that satisfies the officer issuing the certificate; A certificate of physical fitness to assure that the young person is in sound health and that the work will not impair his/her physical condition. "School medical doctors or physicians designated by the Department of Health give physical examinations. Otherwise minors may obtain a certificate of physical fitness from their own doctor. Minors from neighboring states who seek work in New York can use a certificate issued by a physician in their home state. Physicians who find that a youth age l4 to l8 is not physically fit for some occupations but may engage safely in other types of work, can issue a certificate of limited physical fitness." http://www.labor.state.ny.us/html/workprot/certperm.htm#obtaincerts Hope that helps. Peter T. Prunka TGW Computer Solutions 631 722 3050 -----Original Message----- From: Dunham, Christopher [mailto:CDunham@mail.fairfield.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 8:47 PM To: 'stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu' Subject: ?NY State Youth Labor Law Happy Spring, everyone! A friend has asked me to confirm or refute that the State of New York requires anyone under 18 years of age to have a physical examination within the past year in order to get working papers. Without easy access to New York codes and regulations, I'd like to know broadly, but the instance in question involves summer camp jobs, if that matters in anyone's search. Thanks, Christopher S. Dunham, Reference Librarian DiMenna-Nyselius Library, Fairfield University 1073 North Benson Road Fairfield, CT 06430-5195 (203)254-4206 ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 23:36:48 -0400 (EDT) From: AllenAmet@aol.com To: JCRAMER@mbln.lib.ma.us Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re:%terms A. D. & B. C. In a message dated 01-05-10 18:52:16 EDT, you write: << A patron would like to know why the time designators A.D. and B.C. are in different languages: Anno Domini (in the year of our Lord = Latin) and Before Christ (English)? Many thanks in advance for any help you can give. -- Jeff Cramer >> ************** I vaguely recall posting something last time this came around. The term "B.C." wasn't popularized until the English translations of the work of Denys Petau (Petavius), based on his 1627 work. The concept had been "in the air" for over 100 years. "A.D.", referring to the period of the incarnation of Christ, was suggested, as some have said, by Exiguus, ca. 531 (AD), and was suggested by him to replace an earlier system based on the reign of Diocletian. A letter of his is supposedly the first such document so dated. allen koenigsberg ================================================================================ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 23:07:49 -0700 From: jswink@mail.adnc.com To: "Dexter Honeycutt (SAR)" <honeycut@virtu.sar.usf.edu>, Subj: Re: Deforestation replies At 10:08 AM 5/10/01 -0400, Dexter Honeycutt (SAR) wrote: > My patron is doing research on the effects of deforestation >of the world's rainforests and is looking for maps that would show or >demonstrate the effects of humans "cutting down all the trees for the >wood." His theory is that humans "helped along" climatic changes. Reading this triggered a thought about the Tarahumara of Northwest Mexico. Lumber companies and mining companies, beginning in the late 19th century and into post-WW II decades, devastated the forests of the high mountains in which the Tarahumara live. The deforestation has caused extended drought - high altitude desertification - and famine. I don't know about maps but this is a topic to research for maps. I just did a Google search on +Tarahumara +deforestation and here a URL to begin with: http://www.american.edu/projects/mandala/TED/mexdefor.htm There's a Richard Fisher who has published several editions of books on Copper Canyon and the national parks of Northwest Mexico who may have addressed these issues in his books, esp. recent editions. Hope these thoughts help. Judy Swink ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:17:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Donna Burton <burtond@union.edu> To: "Dunham, Christopher" <CDunham@mail.fairfield.edu> Cc: "'stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ?NY State Youth Labor Law To add to what Peter has already given you, the Labor Dept. has a web page on working papers: http://www.labor.state.ny.us/html/wphmpg.htm for "everything you always wanted to know..." On Thu, 10 May 2001, Dunham, Christopher wrote: > A friend has asked me to confirm or refute that the State of New York > requires anyone under 18 years of age to have a physical examination within > the past year in order to get working papers. Without easy access to New > York codes and regulations, I'd like to know broadly, but the instance in > question involves summer camp jobs, if that matters in anyone's search. Donna Burton Schaffer Library, Union College Schenectady, NY 12308 burtond@union.edu Phone and voice mail: 518-388-6635 Fax: 518-388-6641 ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:22:06 -0400 From: Lesley Lawrence <Lesley.Lawrence@dol.net> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: ?New England Catalog Company Hi, all-- Just in time for Mother's Day... I'm the patron here ... or actually my mother is. I got a phone call from her. She wants to know the name of the catalog company in New England--maybe Massachusetts but on second thought maybe New Hampshire or maybe it is Massachusetts but definitely in New England--that sells tableware (particularly flatware) at a real discount. "You know, the place where I ordered extra place settings. I get the catalog. You have to know the name." (I live in Delaware. She lives in Iowa. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to know what catalogs the mailman delivers to her. <g>) Many--if not all of you--have mothers just like mine who expect you to pluck things out of the air on the flimsiest of info so you can sympathize. Can anyone come to my rescue and suggest a possible name? (No, it's not L. L. Bean. <g>) TIA. Lesley Lawrence U.S. Courts Library Wilmington, DE ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:39:28 -0400 From: Dan Robinson <drobinson@hwwexch.hwwilson.com> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: RE: ?New England Catalog Company Lesley, the company is Ross-Simons. http://www.ross-simons.com/ .= =0D=0A=0D=0AThey have a form on the site to request a catalog.=0D= =0A=0D=0ADan Robinson=0D=0Adrobinson@hwwilson.com=0D=0A(yes, we get t= he catalog at home <grin>)=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A> -----Origin= al Message-----=0D=0A> From: Lesley Lawrence [mailto:Lesley.Lawrence@= dol.net]=0D=0A> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:22 AM=0D=0A> =0D=0A> = =0D=0A> Hi, all--=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Just in time for Mother's Day...= =0D=0A> =0D=0A> I'm the patron here ... or actually my mother is. I = got a =0D=0A> phone call from=0D=0A> her. She wants to know th e name of the catalog company in New=0D=0A> England--maybe Massachuse= tts but on second thought maybe New =0D=0A> Hampshire or=0D=0A> maybe= it is Massachusetts but definitely in New England--that sells=0D= =0A> tableware (particularly flatware) at a real discount. "You = =0D=0A> know, the place=0D=0A> where I ordered extra place settings. = I get the catalog. =0D=0A> You have to know=0D=0A> the name." (I l= ive in Delaware. She lives in Iowa. I'm not =0D=0A> sure how I'm= =0D=0A> supposed to know what catalogs the mailman delivers to her. <= g>)=0D=0A> =0D=0A>=20 Many--if not all of you--have mothers just like mine who expect you t= o=0D=0A> pluck things out of the air on the flimsiest of info so you = =0D=0A> can sympathize.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Can anyone come to my rescue a= nd suggest a possible name? =0D=0A> (No, it's not L.=0D=0A> L. Bean.= <g>)=0D=0A> =0D=0A> TIA.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Lesley Lawrence=0D=0A> U.S. = Courts Library=0D=0A> Wilmington, DE=0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:29:12 -0400 From: "Dunham, Christopher" <CDunham@mail.fairfield.edu> To: "'stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: *NY State Youth Labor Law My sincere thanks to Peter and Donna who speedily found what was needed. Chris ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:35:07 -0400 From: "Waters, Sally" <WATERS@law.stetson.edu> To: "'J. Shore'" <shorej@thpl.org> Cc: "'stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: RE: Spanish version of FL Constitution Well, the news about the Spanish version of the Fla. Constitution is - no news! While we've still got a few last desperate calls to make, it seems that no one has this!We've called several sources in Miami (the poor librarian in the Miami P.L.'s Florida Room apparently got loads of requests for it this week, since several of our sources started looking for it, for us); we've tried individual legislators, bar associations, law school libraries, state agencies, etc., most of which have said that they'd sure like a copy, if/when we find it! The web has the Spanish version of the proposed Revision to the Constitution, but not the Constitution itself. Several people mentioned using an Internet translation tool, such as Babelfish, but having tried those in the past, I can definitely say that, while convenient, the translations are not the best (to say the least) and with an official document like the Constitution, I'd hate to see a really bad translation given out by the professors. Thanks to all of you who have worked on this for us, and I wish I had some more favorable news on it! Sally -----Original Message----- From: J. Shore [mailto:shorej@thpl.org] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 9:24 AM To: WATERS@law.stetson.edu Subject: Spanish version of FL Constitution So, Sally, were you planning to tell the Stumpers community if you ever found a copy of the Florida Constitution in Spanish? J. -- Mr. J. Shore Serials Librarian / Cataloger Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library shorej@thpl.org ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:42:51 -0400 From: Hilary Caws-Elwitt <sctylibrary@stny.rr.com> To: Daphne Drewello <drewello@daktel.com> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Re: Maggots People all around the world eat insect larvae. See the neat book _Man Eating Bugs_ (Mendel and D'Aluisio) and others. Fly maggots are basically fat and some protein. Raised in a clean environment (assuming the adults who laid the eggs weren't carrying anything), there's nothing about them that could be harmful. In fact, some fly maggots are used to heal wounds! (bet your little patron will love that one--see http://www.sfu.ca/mediapr/sfnews/2000/July13/andersonr.html ) The problem with flies, of course, is where they go and what they eat. If your maggot meal was tainted with rotten meat, bacteria from the meat could make you sick. If you washed the maggots, I don't know whether the contents of their gut would still be harmful or not. I doubt it, personally, but there could be other bacteria or even viruses possibly harbored in the maggot. Our digestive system is very similar to a dog's, and most likely anything they could eat, we could; but there are various diseases that affect species differently. In other words: most likely a person eating maggots would not get sick, but don't try this at home, kids! -- Hilary Caws-Elwitt, Public Services Librarian -- sctylibrary@stny.rr.com Susquehanna County Library, 2 Monument Sq, Montrose PA 18801 -- 570-278-1881 ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:54:18 -0500 (CDT) From: C V <cvj@metronet.com> To: Hilary Caws-Elwitt <sctylibrary@stny.rr.com> Cc: Daphne Drewello <drewello@daktel.com>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Re: Maggots As opposed to shrimp? Or cat fish? Bottom feeders, both. Connie On Fri, 11 May 2001, Hilary Caws-Elwitt wrote: > The problem with flies, of course, is where they go and what they eat. If > your maggot meal was tainted with rotten meat, bacteria from the meat could ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:01:48 -0400 (EDT) From: AllenAmet@aol.com To: sctylibrary@stny.rr.com Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: % Re: Maggots In a message dated 01-05-11 10:49:55 EDT, you write: << People all around the world eat insect larvae. See the neat book _Man Eating Bugs_ (Mendel and D'Aluisio) and others. >> ********** thinking along the lines of the customary reversal - "man bites dog" - I seem to recall that an early treatment for gangrene involved applying the maggots to the wound, in order to keep it clean. What a world... Allen ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:06:37 -0700 From: "Bricker-Barrett, Nannette" <nbricker@lib.sbcounty.gov> To: 'Stumpers' <Stumpers-L@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: *poem about wretched marriage This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_fTe2rz/m8FZBdc1S0m11iQ) Content-type: text/plain Many thanks to Dennis Lien, David Kresh, and Beth Banks. With Dennis' info I e-mail Mervy Cadwallader who says he got the phrase from John Sperling and used it in lectures to high schools in the Bay area in the 60's, but there is no poem that he knows of. This is the information we've passed on to the patron--if I ever find a poem will let you all know. 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Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: Kee Malesky <KMalesky@npr.org> Cc: "'stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ? Origin: show one's stripes On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Kee Malesky wrote: > I've been trying to track down the origin of the phrase "to show > [one's] stripes" ... does it refer to tigers or zebras, or military > insignia? Or what? Hi Kee, I never saw a response to this and the April archives look like fettuccine Alfredo au ground zero, so I can't check to make sure there wasn't one. I don't have a documented origin, but I do have a theory. The OED lists "stripe" in the singular as a mid-19th-century Americanism for one's political or religious persuasion; i.e., to be of a certain stripe or shade. "To show one's stripe" will therefore have been a metaphor for revealing one's true feelings or beliefs. With the passage of time, the singular "stripe" --with no readily apparent referent-- looks to have been confused with the military use of "stripes" to indicate rank. "Stripes" doesn't make much sense in the new context since soldiers do not conceal their stripes. But literal stripes wouldn't make any sense either for the same reason: tigers, zebras and skunks don't hide theirs. In short, I suspect the original saying to have been "to show one's stripe," now nicely muddled by being made both plural and illogical. John Dyson Spanish and Portuguese Indiana University ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:39:00 -0400 From: "Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian ****" <karenpdo@gate.net> To: Hilary Caws-Elwitt <sctylibrary@stny.rr.com>, Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Re: Maggots Which reminds me of an article I read ages ago(maybe someone else recalls) that most processed/canned food often contains a certain degree / minute percentage of things like rodent hair/feces - insect parts & feces & subinsect particles ie. maggots - yum Too ~much in the food & the Health Dept. shuts you down but certain amounts are "acceptable"(?). Speaking of bottom feeders ie. catfish - most are now bred in nice hygenic fish farms - Just imagine someday though, the farming of those squrmy plump larvae things that they had to eat on the first "survivor" show: The new "McLarvae" or how about "Larvae King" "Kentucky Fried Larvae" "Roast Larvae Lo Mein" ??.. I think it'll be awhile - don't you?? Karen Not that long ago, a At 10:42 AM 5/11/2001 -0400, Hilary Caws-Elwitt wrote: >People all around the world eat insect larvae. See the neat book _Man >Eating Bugs_ (Mendel and D'Aluisio) and others. Fly maggots are basically >fat and some protein. Raised in a clean environment (assuming the adults >who laid the eggs weren't carrying anything), there's nothing about them >that could be harmful. In fact, some fly maggots are used to heal wounds! >(bet your little patron will love that one--see >http://www.sfu.ca/mediapr/sfnews/2000/July13/andersonr.html ) > >The problem with flies, of course, is where they go and what they eat. If >your maggot meal was tainted with rotten meat, bacteria from the meat could >make you sick. If you washed the maggots, I don't know whether the contents >of their gut would still be harmful or not. I doubt it, personally, but >there could be other bacteria or even viruses possibly harbored in the >maggot. Our digestive system is very similar to a dog's, and most likely >anything they could eat, we could; but there are various diseases that >affect species differently. > >In other words: most likely a person eating maggots would not get sick, but >don't try this at home, kids! >-- >Hilary Caws-Elwitt, Public Services Librarian -- sctylibrary@stny.rr.com >Susquehanna County Library, 2 Monument Sq, Montrose PA 18801 -- >570-278-1881 > > ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:38:05 +0100 From: Sylvia Milne <SMilne6@compuserve.com> Sender: SMilne6@compuserve.com To: Stumpers <STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: %Toilet facilities on immigrant ships "The floating brothel", by Sian Rees, describes life on board the Lady Julian, a ship taking female convicts to Botany Bay in 1789. The immigrant ships were probably similar. "During the daytime, toilet arrangements at sea were clean and efficient. The "heads" was an open platform with holes cut in it, lashed to the aftmost section of the bowsprit. this was the lavatory through which sailors and women urinated or defecated into the sea below, rinsing off from a bucket of salt water....By night, when 200 women were shut into the orlop hold, it was all rather less hygienic. The orlop was equipped with "easing chairs" or commodes." Sylvia Milne Please visit me at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/SMilne6 ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:09:04 -0400 From: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com> To: AllenAmet@aol.com Cc: sctylibrary@stny.rr.com, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: % Re: Maggots At 11:01 AM 5/11/2001 -0400, AllenAmet@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 01-05-11 10:49:55 EDT, you write: > ><< People all around the world eat insect larvae. See the neat book _Man > Eating Bugs_ (Mendel and D'Aluisio) and others. >> >********** > thinking along the lines of the customary reversal - "man bites dog" - I >seem to recall that an early treatment for gangrene involved applying the >maggots to the wound, in order to keep it clean. What a world... Leeches are still used in cosmetic surgery. Again they help keep the wound clean and remove blood that gets in the way of a nice healing. David ib David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:22:35 -0400 From: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com> To: "Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian ****" <karenpdo@gate.net> Cc: Hilary Caws-Elwitt <sctylibrary@stny.rr.com>, Subj: Re: ? Re: Maggots At 11:39 AM 5/11/2001 -0400, Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian **** wrote: >Which reminds me of an article I read ages ago(maybe someone else recalls) >that most processed/canned food often contains a certain degree / minute >percentage of things like rodent hair/feces - insect parts & feces & >subinsect particles ie. maggots - yum >Too ~much in the food & the Health Dept. shuts you down but certain amounts >are "acceptable"(?). Today it frequently happens that tests for substances can detect and measure percentages that are well below the danger limit. So, as Karen read, the regulations allow measurable amounts of these substances. To require zero amounts in paints, foodstuffs or whatever would close down industries whenever a new and more sensitive test was developed. "You must eat a peck of dirt before you die" David ib David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:38:47 -0400 From: Mario Rups <rupsm@sil.si.edu> To: AllenAmet@aol.com, ibbetson@idirect.com Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu, sctylibrary@stny.rr.com Subj: Re: % Re: Maggots Ummmm ... got news for you both, AllenAmet and David ib ... Maggots = are *still* (or, I should say, *again*) in use. See, e.g., http://de= tnews.com/1997/accent/9711/07/11070029.htm ("Take two maggots, and ca= ll us in the morning") for a general account; and http://www.ucihs.uc= i.edu/path/sherman/order.htm (The "Maggot Therapy Order Form") if you= wish to order a vial or so of medicinal maggots. (Disinfected larva= e, species Phaenicia sericata, $70 for about 500 to 1000 per vial, av= ailable FedEx Priority Overni ght ...)=0D=0A=0D=0AWhat a world, indeed. But if it works, it works.= =0D=0A=0D=0AMario Rups=0D=0Arupsm@sil.si.edu=0D=0A=0D=0A>>> ibbetson = <ibbetson@idirect.com> 05/11/01 12:09PM >>>=0D=0AAt 11:01 AM 5/11/200= 1 -0400, AllenAmet@aol.com wrote:=0D=0A>In a message dated 01-05-11 1= 0:49:55 EDT, you write:=0D=0A>=0D=0A><< People all around the world e= at insect larvae. See the neat book _Man=0D=0A> Eating Bugs_ (Mendel= and D'Aluisio) and others. >>=0D=0A>**********=0D=0A> thinking alo= ng the lines of the customary reversal - "man bites dog" - I=0D=0A>se= em to recall that an early treatment for gangrene involved applying the=0D=0A>maggots to = the wound, in order to keep it clean. What a world...=0D=0A=0D=0ALeec= hes are still used in cosmetic surgery. Again they help keep the woun= d =0D=0Aclean and remove blood that gets in the way of a nice healing= .=0D=0A=0D=0ADavid ib=0D=0A=0D=0ADavid Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street *= Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4=0D=0A mailto:ibbetso= n@idirect.com =0D=0APhone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax= :(416)363-4987=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:58:48 -0500 From: "Lesli M. Moore" <lesli@acad.udallas.edu> To: AllenAmet@aol.com, sctylibrary@stny.rr.com Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: RE: % Re: Maggots Along the cleaning with maggots theme.... Have a friend who (when she was working on her PT volunteer hours) got a chance to see maggots in action on gangrene. Can I just say I shuddered for weeks after her nifty little tale. However, I must admit, it was rather interesting procedure. Not quite along the same lines as using leaches after re-attachment surgeries, but close. Lesli M. Moore Digital Library Coordinator/ Reference Librarian University of Dallas -----Original Message----- From: AllenAmet@aol.com [mailto:AllenAmet@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:02 AM To: sctylibrary@stny.rr.com Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: Re: % Re: Maggots In a message dated 01-05-11 10:49:55 EDT, you write: << People all around the world eat insect larvae. See the neat book _Man Eating Bugs_ (Mendel and D'Aluisio) and others. >> ********** thinking along the lines of the customary reversal - "man bites dog" - I seem to recall that an early treatment for gangrene involved applying the maggots to the wound, in order to keep it clean. What a world... Allen ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:03:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Mariand919@aol.com To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: %%Re: Maggots --Boundary_(ID_UCMAwuYSlABQf+hIT4J98A) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2fQ/y6XJq8UkN/Y8XjFpcA)" --Boundary_(ID_2fQ/y6XJq8UkN/Y8XjFpcA) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 5/11/01 7:49:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sctylibrary@stny.rr.com writes: > In other words: most likely a person eating maggots would not get sick, but > don't try this at home, kids! > People have involuntarily eaten maggots in many circumstances over the centuries -- on old sailing ships, among other places. When food was scarce, people ate what they had, even if it was infested with weevils or maggots. This may be disgusting, but -- just read some of the first-person accounts of sailing ships, early 19th century immigrant ships, prisons ... And the eaters may have become ill and died, but more likely from starvation or typhus than from anything in the maggots. True anecdote: about 15 years ago, my son found himself riding around the Gaza Strip (long story and off-topic how he got there). All they had to eat -- he was with a group of nomadic people -- was some kind of flatbread cooked in a fire. He noticed small black specks in the flatbread, but was hungry so started eating it anyway. Then he saw that the specks had legs. But -- he was hungry and there was nothing else to eat, so ... And he survived, and is now teaching economics at Hawaii Pacific University, not that I think there's any real relationship between those things, but sometimes one wonders ... By the way, in case the child patron is wondering, I have read that many supposedly strictly vegan cultures (vegan meaning no foods of animal origin are eaten) remain healthy only because of the Vitamin B12 they are getting from the very small insect contaminants in their food. They don't know the bugs are there, but there's enough B12 in the insect fragments to prevent the illness that happens to American vegans who aren't careful about getting their B12. So it can be beneficial to eat insects. I am not sure, though, that maggots qualify... but they probably would, as long as they're not contaminated with harmful bacteria. > > Marian Drabkin > --Boundary_(ID_2fQ/y6XJq8UkN/Y8XjFpcA) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: BASE64 PEhUTUw+PEZPTlQgRkFDRT1hcmlhbCxoZWx2ZXRpY2E+PEZPTlQgIFNJWkU9Mj5J biBhIG1lc3NhZ2UgZGF0ZWQgNS8xMS8wMSA3OjQ5OjU1IEFNIFBhY2lmaWMgRGF5 bGlnaHQgVGltZSwgDQo8QlI+c2N0eWxpYnJhcnlAc3RueS5yci5jb20gd3JpdGVz Og0KPEJSPg0KPEJSPjxCTE9DS1FVT1RFIFRZUEU9Q0lURSBzdHlsZT0iQk9SREVS LUxFRlQ6ICMwMDAwZmYgMnB4IHNvbGlkOyBNQVJHSU4tTEVGVDogNXB4OyBNQVJH SU4tUklHSFQ6IDBweDsgUEFERElORy1MRUZUOiA1cHgiPkluIG90aGVyIHdvcmRz OiBtb3N0IGxpa2VseSBhIHBlcnNvbiBlYXRpbmcgbWFnZ290cyB3b3VsZCBub3Qg Z2V0IHNpY2ssIGJ1dA0KPEJSPmRvbid0IHRyeSB0aGlzIGF0IGhvbWUsIGtpZHMh DQo8QlI+PC9CTE9DS1FVT1RFPg0KPEJSPlBlb3BsZSBoYXZlIGludm9sdW50YXJp bHkgZWF0ZW4gbWFnZ290cyBpbiBtYW55IGNpcmN1bXN0YW5jZXMgb3ZlciB0aGUN CjxCUj5jZW50dXJpZXMgLS0gb24gb2xkIHNhaWxpbmcgc2hpcHMsIGFtb25nIG90 aGVyIHBsYWNlcy4gJm5ic3A7V2hlbiBmb29kIHdhcyBzY2FyY2UsDQo8QlI+cGVv cGxlIGF0ZSB3aGF0IHRoZXkgaGFkLCBldmVuIGlmIGl0IHdhcyBpbmZlc3RlZCB3 aXRoIHdlZXZpbHMgb3IgbWFnZ290cy4NCjxCUj5UaGlzIG1heSBiZSBkaXNndXN0 aW5nLCBidXQgLS0ganVzdCByZWFkIHNvbWUgb2YgdGhlIGZpcnN0LXBlcnNvbiBh Y2NvdW50cyBvZg0KPEJSPnNhaWxpbmcgc2hpcHMsIGVhcmx5IDE5dGggY2VudHVy eSBpbW1pZ3JhbnQgc2hpcHMsIHByaXNvbnMgLi4uICZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNw O0FuZCB0aGUgDQo8QlI+ZWF0ZXJzDQo8QlI+bWF5IGhhdmUgYmVjb21lIGlsbCBh bmQgZGllZCwgYnV0IG1vcmUgbGlrZWx5IGZyb20gc3RhcnZhdGlvbiBvciB0eXBo dXMgdGhhbg0KPEJSPmZyb20gYW55dGhpbmcgaW4gdGhlIG1hZ2dvdHMuDQo8QlI+ VHJ1ZSBhbmVjZG90ZTogJm5ic3A7YWJvdXQgMTUgeWVhcnMgYWdvLCBteSBzb24g Zm91bmQgaGltc2VsZiByaWRpbmcgYXJvdW5kIHRoZQ0KPEJSPkdhemEgU3RyaXAg KGxvbmcgc3RvcnkgYW5kIG9mZi10b3BpYyBob3cgaGUgZ290IHRoZXJlKS4gJm5i c3A7QWxsIHRoZXkgaGFkIHRvIGVhdCANCjxCUj4tLQ0KPEJSPmhlIHdhcyB3aXRo IGEgZ3JvdXAgb2Ygbm9tYWRpYyBwZW9wbGUgLS0gd2FzIHNvbWUga2luZCBvZiBm bGF0YnJlYWQgY29va2VkDQo8QlI+aW4gYSBmaXJlLiAmbmJzcDtIZSBub3RpY2Vk IHNtYWxsIGJsYWNrIHNwZWNrcyBpbiB0aGUgZmxhdGJyZWFkLCBidXQgd2FzIGh1 bmdyeSBzbw0KPEJSPnN0YXJ0ZWQgZWF0aW5nIGl0IGFueXdheS4gJm5ic3A7VGhl biBoZSBzYXcgdGhhdCB0aGUgc3BlY2tzIGhhZCBsZWdzLiAmbmJzcDtCdXQgLS0g aGUNCjxCUj53YXMgaHVuZ3J5IGFuZCB0aGVyZSB3YXMgbm90aGluZyBlbHNlIHRv IGVhdCwgc28gLi4uICZuYnNwOyZuYnNwO0FuZCBoZSBzdXJ2aXZlZCwgYW5kDQo8 QlI+aXMgbm93IHRlYWNoaW5nIGVjb25vbWljcyBhdCBIYXdhaWkgUGFjaWZpYyBV bml2ZXJzaXR5LCBub3QgdGhhdCBJIHRoaW5rIA0KPEJSPnRoZXJlJ3MNCjxCUj5h bnkgcmVhbCByZWxhdGlvbnNoaXAgYmV0d2VlbiB0aG9zZSB0aGluZ3MsIGJ1dCBz b21ldGltZXMgb25lIHdvbmRlcnMgLi4uDQo8QlI+DQo8QlI+QnkgdGhlIHdheSwg aW4gY2FzZSB0aGUgY2hpbGQgcGF0cm9uIGlzIHdvbmRlcmluZywgSSBoYXZlIHJl YWQgdGhhdCBtYW55DQo8QlI+c3VwcG9zZWRseSBzdHJpY3RseSB2ZWdhbiBjdWx0 dXJlcyAodmVnYW4gbWVhbmluZyBubyBmb29kcyBvZiBhbmltYWwgb3JpZ2luIA0K PEJSPmFyZSBlYXRlbikgcmVtYWluIGhlYWx0aHkgb25seSBiZWNhdXNlIG9mIHRo ZSBWaXRhbWluIEIxMiB0aGV5IGFyZSBnZXR0aW5nIA0KPEJSPmZyb20NCjxCUj50 aGUgdmVyeSBzbWFsbCBpbnNlY3QgY29udGFtaW5hbnRzIGluIHRoZWlyIGZvb2Qu ICZuYnNwO1RoZXkgZG9uJ3Qga25vdyB0aGUgYnVncw0KPEJSPmFyZSB0aGVyZSwg YnV0IHRoZXJlJ3MgZW5vdWdoIEIxMiBpbiB0aGUgaW5zZWN0IGZyYWdtZW50cyB0 byBwcmV2ZW50IHRoZSANCjxCUj5pbGxuZXNzDQo8QlI+dGhhdCBoYXBwZW5zIHRv IEFtZXJpY2FuIHZlZ2FucyB3aG8gYXJlbid0IGNhcmVmdWwgYWJvdXQgZ2V0dGlu ZyB0aGVpciBCMTIuDQo8QlI+U28gaXQgY2FuIGJlIGJlbmVmaWNpYWwgdG8gZWF0 IGluc2VjdHMuICZuYnNwO0kgYW0gbm90IHN1cmUsIHRob3VnaCwgdGhhdCBtYWdn b3RzDQo8QlI+cXVhbGlmeS4uLiAmbmJzcDtidXQgdGhleSBwcm9iYWJseSB3b3Vs ZCwgYXMgbG9uZyBhcyB0aGV5J3JlIG5vdCBjb250YW1pbmF0ZWQgd2l0aDwvRk9O VD48Rk9OVCAgQ09MT1I9IiMwMDAwMDAiIFNJWkU9MyBGQU1JTFk9IlNBTlNTRVJJ RiIgRkFDRT0iQXJpYWwiIExBTkc9IjAiPjwvQkxPQ0tRVU9URT4NCjxCUj4gJm5i c3A7Jm5ic3A7aGFybWZ1bCBiYWN0ZXJpYS48L0ZPTlQ+PEZPTlQgIENPTE9SPSIj MDAwMDAwIiBTSVpFPTIgRkFNSUxZPSJTQU5TU0VSSUYiIEZBQ0U9IkFyaWFsIiBM QU5HPSIwIj4NCjxCUj48L0ZPTlQ+PEZPTlQgIENPTE9SPSIjMDAwMDAwIiBTSVpF PTMgRkFNSUxZPSJTQU5TU0VSSUYiIEZBQ0U9IkFyaWFsIiBMQU5HPSIwIj4NCjxC Uj48L0ZPTlQ+PEZPTlQgIENPTE9SPSIjMDAwMDAwIiBTSVpFPTIgRkFNSUxZPSJT QU5TU0VSSUYiIEZBQ0U9IkFyaWFsIiBMQU5HPSIwIj48QkxPQ0tRVU9URSBUWVBF PUNJVEUgc3R5bGU9IkJPUkRFUi1MRUZUOiAjMDAwMGZmIDJweCBzb2xpZDsgTUFS R0lOLUxFRlQ6IDVweDsgTUFSR0lOLVJJR0hUOiAwcHg7IFBBRERJTkctTEVGVDog NXB4Ij4NCjxCUj5NYXJpYW4gRHJhYmtpbg0KPEJSPjwvQkxPQ0tRVU9URT4NCjxC Uj4NCjxCUj4NCjxCUj48L0ZPTlQ+PC9IVE1MPg0K --Boundary_(ID_2fQ/y6XJq8UkN/Y8XjFpcA)-- --Boundary_(ID_UCMAwuYSlABQf+hIT4J98A) Content-type: message/rfc822 Return-path: <Mariand919@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:01:15 EDT From: Mariand919@aol.com Subject: Re: ? Re: Maggots To: sctylibrary@stny.rr.com Message-id: <23.b839a67.282d74db@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_hh4uPvyvslgPQ7zK81S5eQ)" Full-name: Mariand919 --Boundary_(ID_hh4uPvyvslgPQ7zK81S5eQ) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 5/11/01 7:49:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sctylibrary@stny.rr.com writes: > In other words: most likely a person eating maggots would not get sick, but > don't try this at home, kids! > People have involuntarily eaten maggots in many circumstances over the centuries -- on old sailing ships, among other places. When food was scarce, people ate what they had, even if it was infested with weevils or maggots. This may be disgusting, but -- just read some of the first-person accounts of sailing ships, early 19th century immigrant ships, prisons ... And the eaters may have become ill and died, but more likely from starvation or typhus than from anything in the maggots. True anecdote: about 15 years ago, my son found himself riding around the Gaza Strip (long story and off-topic how he got there). All they had to eat -- he was with a group of nomadic people -- was some kind of flatbread cooked in a fire. He noticed small black specks in the flatbread, but was hungry so started eating it anyway. Then he saw that the specks had legs. But -- he was hungry and there was nothing else to eat, so ... And he survived, and is now teaching economics at Hawaii Pacific University, not that I think there's any real relationship between those things, but sometimes one wonders ... By the way, in case the child patron is wondering, I have read that many supposedly strictly vegan cultures (vegan meaning no foods of animal origin are eaten) remain healthy only because of the Vitamin B12 they are getting from the very small insect contaminants in their food. They don't know the bugs are there, but there's enough B12 in the insect fragments to prevent the illness that happens to American vegans who aren't careful about getting their B12. So it can be beneficial to eat insects. I am not sure, though, that maggots qualify... 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The OED lists "stripe" in the singular as a mid-19th-century Americanism for one's political or religious persuasion; >> ---------- Webster's New World Dictionary: <<4. a distinctive type, kind, or sort ("a man of his stripe") >> ************* as you say, it may well be that "stripe" was originally a swatch of color or mark of ID. That's where the trouble started... it impinged on all those other "stripes". What was once clear then became obscure... ;-) Different stripes for different types. allen koenigsberg ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:26:11 -0400 (EDT) From: AllenAmet@aol.com To: Mariand919@aol.com Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: %%Re: Maggots In a message dated 01-05-11 13:18:03 EDT, you write: << People have involuntarily eaten maggots in many circumstances over the centuries -- on old sailing ships, among other places. >> *********** isn't there that famous close-up scene in Eisenstein's "The Battleship Potemkin"? You mean there would have been no 1905 Mutiny if they knew that meat was safe to eat? ;-) I empathized with the sailors right away! allen ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:39:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Mariand919@aol.com To: AllenAmet@aol.com Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: %%Re: Maggots, also %shipboard sanitation --Boundary_(ID_QuiU3v0Jng52Vzq3lhpuvQ) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 5/11/01 10:26:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Allen Amet writes: > isn't there that famous close-up scene in Eisenstein's "The Battleship > Potemkin"? > Yes, there sure is! I'd forgotten about that -- the scene of the baby pram careening down the stairs kind of eclipsed everything else. But yes, I do remember those wriggling maggots in the sailors' rations. Quite horrid, and quite accurate. > You mean there would have been no 1905 Mutiny if they knew that meat was > safe to eat? ;-) I empathized with the sailors right away! > Didn't we all! But the truth of the matter is that the maggots in the salt beef (or whatever that food was) would have been a matter of course in most sailing ships before shipboard refrigeration. Maggoty meat and weevily hardtack were facts of life in 15th century sailing ships, for example, and there are many descriptions. Whaling ships on long voyages often had problems too -- hence the emphasis on stopping for fresh food every place they could possibly stop. Often the water barrels were contaminated with wriggly things with legs ... And to tie this in with another thread (and another query), on those old sailing ships, there were no sanitary arrangements except for a kind of wooden framework built out from one of the decks, used to hold on to while the sailor squatted to defecate. This was how it was done on Columbus' ships. (My source: having done the research on Lawrence Hall of Science's "1492" exhibit, back in 1992. Very interesting it was, too. Loads of material on shipboard living at that time.) 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Do it today! <BR><br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p></html> ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:06:09 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: Daphne Drewello <drewello@daktel.com> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? 'Toilets' on immigrant ships On Thu, 10 May 2001, Daphne Drewello wrote: > A young lady read in one of the American Girl > Kirsten books that there were no toilets on the > ships the immigrants sailed in. Well, of course, > I knew that. But then she asked > > "So where did they go? In a bucket? Down a > hole? Over the side? Did they get to go by > themselves or was everyone watching? And > did they empty the bucket right away? And > did they have to bring their own bucket along > from Sweden? And how did they wash their > hands? And did they have water to drink? > And did they have to bring along ANOTHER > bucket for their water?" Hello Daphne, If one enters "steerage class" into Google, a slug of information comes up regarding conditions aboard ship. If the immigrants came across in the open-door period from 1880-1924, bathing and toilet facilities were available for steerage travelers two levels above them on the lower promenade deck. Whether one chose to clamber up there at night is another matter. I suspect the use of a thunder mug to spare the nocturnal trip. The shipping company provided food, water, bunks and mattresses, but meals were taken in steerage, not in a dining hall. Toward the end of the period, cabins for six replaced the earlier barracks-like accommodations. Prior to 1880, the conditions were a good deal more spartan and scuzzy. John Dyson Spanish and Portuguese Indiana University ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:13:07 -0500 From: Janis Test <janis.test@alc.org> To: 'Geneva Library' <genevalibrary@hotmail.com>, Subj: %Antique oil well equipment This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_VOABmISntxNE6SzZIhosZQ) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Rose, try contacting the Petroleum Museum in Midland, Texas through this address - jphares@petroleummuseum.org They may be able to answer your question, since they have 42 acres of old and antique oil field equipment, and an Archives and Library. I hope this helps you. Janis C. Test **************************************************************************** Janis C. Test email: janis.test@alc.org Head of Information Services homepage: www.abilenetx.com/apl Abilene Public Library (`-"""""-`) 202 Cedar / 6 6 \ Abilene, Tx 79601 |.--._.--.| (915) 676-6025 / \ fax: (915)738-8082 \ (o o) / `-u---u-` jgs **************************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: Geneva Library [mailto:genevalibrary@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:01 PM To: Stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subject: Antique oil well equipment Patron is searching for information concerning a "go-devil" used in oil well drilling at the turn of the century. This equipment is approx. 11 inches long and comes to a 3-grooved cross point. It is apparently made of steel.&nb sp; From what we understand, nitro was dropped in the well pit and the go-devil was dropped on top to start the blast. We would like to varify this info and find value of such a piece. Contacts or books welcomed. Please answer to genevalibrary@hotmail.com. Thanks, Rose Bryan Rose Bryan, Director Geneva Public Library 305 E Line St. Box 189 Geneva IN 46740 219-368-7270 (phone) 219-368-9776 (fax) Visit us on the web at : www.genevapl.lib.in.us **************************************** Rea ding is good for the soul. 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Do it today! <BR><BR clear= =3Dall>=0D=0A <HR>=0D=0A Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at = <A =0D=0A href=3D"http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</= A><BR>=0D=0A <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>=0D=0A= --Boundary_(ID_VOABmISntxNE6SzZIhosZQ)-- ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:25:23 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: Lesley Williams <l-williams@epl.org> Cc: STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? ""Cook's Rheumatism"" On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Lesley Williams wrote: > Our patron is researching mid-18th century health and medical lingo. In a > diary from that period she found a reference to "cook's rheumatism" and she > wants to know what it is. She suspects it may have something to do with > syphillis, a euphemism perhaps? I have checked the *Encyclopedia of Medical > History*, Gale's *American Eras* for the colonial period, *Dictionary of > American Regional English* , Partridge, *The Historical Dictionary of > American Slang*, and various other references to 18th century slang and > medicine but have found nothing. Any ideas? Can you get an actual peek at the source for this? I suspect it's "the cook's rheumatism" rather than "cook's rheumatism." In other words, not a mystery disease, just the one the cook suffered from. In the 18th century the cook may have been referred to in the household as "cook" with no name attached. John Dyson ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 07:45:48 -0400 From: ibbetson <ibbetson@idirect.com> To: jswink@mail.adnc.com Cc: "Dexter Honeycutt (SAR)" <honeycut@virtu.sar.usf.edu>, Subj: Re: Deforestation replies At 11:07 PM 5/10/2001 -0700, jswink@mail.adnc.com wrote: >At 10:08 AM 5/10/01 -0400, Dexter Honeycutt (SAR) wrote: > > My patron is doing research on the effects of deforestation > >of the world's rainforests and is looking for maps that would show or > >demonstrate the effects of humans "cutting down all the trees for the > >wood." His theory is that humans "helped along" climatic changes. "The Year of Thermopylae" by Ernle Bradford has several incidental references to the deforestation of Greek hillsides. However, no maps deal with this topic. David ib David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4 mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987 ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:56:50 -0600 (MDT) From: Barbara Blair <bblair@albuq.rgv.lib.nm.us> To: stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subj: Antique oil well equipment Do a Google search on "go devil" and "oil". Also search for "doodlebuggers". It seems that there were, and still are, many sizes, shapes, etc of go devils which, as you noted, are used to fire the nitro. I'm not sure what the nitro was used for at the turn of the century but later/now it is used so doodlebuggers (field geologists) can get seismic readings and determine the sub-surface structures. ************************** Original Message ************************* From: Geneva Library <genevalibrary@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:01:07 +0000 To: Stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subject: Antique oil well equipment <html><DIV>Patron is searching for information&nbsp;concerning a "go-devil" used in oil well drilling at the turn of the century.&nbsp; This equipment is approx. 11 inches long and comes to a 3-grooved cross point.&nbsp; It is apparently made of steel.&nbsp; From what we understand, nitro was dropped in the well pit and the go-devil was dropped on top to start the blast.&nbsp; We would like to varify this info and find value of such a piece.&nbsp; Contacts or books welcomed.&nbsp; Please answer to <A href="mailto:genevalibrary@hotmail.com">genevalibrary@hotmail.com</A>.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV>Rose Bryan</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Rose Bryan, Director <BR>Geneva Public Library 305 E Line St. Box 189 Geneva IN 46740 <BR>219-368-7270 (phone) 219-368-9776 (fax) <BR>Visit us on the web at : www.genevapl.lib.in.us <BR><BR>**************************************** <BR>Reading is good for the soul. Do it today! <BR><br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p></html> ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:50:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?What president worked in a broom factory (fwd) I did think of mentioning Truman, but actually, he had a great start in life: his family owned a farm and could afford to buy books and hire farm hands, he wasn't orphaned, he didn't have to take a job as a child and had enough leisure to read a number of books from the local public library, and he graduated from high school, which, considering the curriculum of the time, is probably equivalent to graduating from college today. It's only after he became an adult that he met with adversity: his fiancee kept him dangling almost twenty years before she married him, he had in-law problems (even after he became President, his mother-in-law still thought Bess could have done better in the choice of a mate), he went bankrupt operating a men's clothing store and spent years paying off the debts, his financial situation was so dismal when he ran for re-election to the Senate in 1940 that he slept in his car at night and was unable to prevent foreclosure on the family farm, throughout his career he was accused of being a tool of Kansas City's Pendergast machine, as well as the other details you mentioned. But the fact that he was able to endure all this probably has a lot to do with the security of his childhood and the values that were instilled in him. Source for the above details: Merle Miller. Plain Speaking: An Oral Biography of Harry Truman. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ? ? ? ? Denise Montgomery "Knowledge is of two kinds; ? ? Valdosta State Univ Library we know a subject ourselves, ? ? Valdosta, GA 31698 or we know where we can find ? ? information upon it." ? ? (912) 333-5867 Dr. Samuel Johnson, Boswell's ? ? (912) 333-5862 FAX Life of Johnson, April 15, ? ? dmontgom@valdosta.edu 1775 ? ? http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Outlet/8896/ ? ? ? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:45:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> To: "Thornlow, Bruce" <Thornlowb@ndu.edu> Cc: "'STUMPERS-L@CRF.CUIS.EDU'" <STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu>, Subj: Re: % Fr. Troop Strength - 1821 - 1850 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --Boundary_(ID_8Kd7A/j7yO5VwtPlXVlctA) Content-id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1010511174332.4725H@grits> Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN I passed your reply on to Dr. Melanie Byrd, one of our history faculty whose specialty is French history and who wrote her dissertation on Napoleon's campaign in Egypt. Here is what she told me: The period from 1815-1850 was characterized by little participation in foreign military campaigns, partially because the Bourbons were in power and they were not interested in such matters, and partially because the French themselves were weary of war, since the last few years of Napoleon's rule had resulted in tremendous losses of French manpower. The few exceptions to this were the periods of 1821-1822, when the French intervened in the Spanish uprising; the early 1820s, when troops from France and several of the other powers went to Morea (southern Greece) during that country's uprising. There was also some activity by French troops in Algeria during that period, but she didn't give me a date. The upheaval of 1848 caused some troop activity, but that was basically to quell rioting within the country, which was similar to what happened in a number of other countries that year. Only when Napoleon III came to power around 1850 was the army on the move again in quest of Napoleonic La Gloire. At any rate, she said that this information was not going to be in some nice neat handy source and probably not in English. She suggested the Spectateur Militaire, as well as French encyclopedias or reference books of the period. I did a search in Worldcat using the terms France and Armed Forces and Statistics and came up with the following record: Annuaire militaire historique,topographique, statistique et anecdotique / Author(s):Sicard,; capitaine. Publication: Paris : Au Bureau de la direction ... : Renard libraire ... [and 3 others], Year: 18uu 9999 Frequency: Annual Description: Ceased with anne 1839.; v. :; ill. ;; 22 cm. Language: French Abstract: This is a French military yearbook which includes the organization of the War Ministry, description of various units of the French Army and their officers plus French military schools, military history and art of war of ancient armies and statistics and description of the contempory armed forces of other European countries. OCLC # 18424112 The only US library which owns this title is The US Army Military History Institute Library at Carlisle Barracks, PA. OCLC doesn't list its holdings, but since this title wouldn't entirely answer your query because it stopped in 1839, you might want to contact them about this topic. It's probably the best US library for answering a question of this sort, since their holdings in military history are international as well as US in scope. You can contact them at: http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/ContactMHI.html This brings up a reference query form that you can fill out to ask your question. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ? ? ? ? Denise Montgomery "Knowledge is of two kinds; ? ? Valdosta State Univ Library we know a subject ourselves, ? ? Valdosta, GA 31698 or we know where we can find ? ? information upon it." ? ? (912) 333-5867 Dr. Samuel Johnson, Boswell's ? ? (912) 333-5862 FAX Life of Johnson, April 15, ? ? dmontgom@valdosta.edu 1775 ? ? http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Outlet/8896/ ? ? ? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? --Boundary_(ID_8Kd7A/j7yO5VwtPlXVlctA)-- ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:30:30 +0000 From: Roberta Price <roberta_price@hotmail.com> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Astronaut quote PGh0bWw+PERJVj5PaCwgZ3JlYXQgV29tYkB0czo8L0RJVj4NCjxESVY+Jm5ic3A7 PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPkRvZXMgYW55b25lIHJlY29nbml6ZSBhIHF1b3RlIHRoYXQg aXMgc29tZXRoaW5nIGxpa2UgIkkgY2FuJ3QgZG8gdGhpcyB3aG9sZSBtaXNzaW9u IGJ5IG15c2VsZiwgYnV0IEkgY2FuIGRvIG15IHBhcnQsIGFuZCB5b3Ugd29uJ3Qg ZmFpbCBvbiBhY2NvdW50IG9mIG1lLiImbmJzcDsgQXBwYXJlbnRseSwgdGhpcyBx dW90ZSBhcHBlYXJlZCBpbiBhIE5hdGlvbmFsIEdlb2dyYXBoaWMgdmlkZW8gb24g dGhlIHNwYWNlIHByb2dyYW0sIHdpdGhvdXQgYXR0cmlidXRpb24uJm5ic3A7IERv ZXMgdGhpcyBzb3VuZCBmYW1pbGlhciB0byBhbnlvbmUuPC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPiZu YnNwOzwvRElWPg0KPERJVj5JIHdvcmsgaW4gYSBtZWRpY2FsIGxpYnJhcnksIGFu ZCBJIGhhdmUgbm90IGZvdW5kIG11Y2ggb24gdGhlIHdlYiwgbXkgb25seSByZXNv dXJjZSBmb3IgdGhpcyBzb3J0IG9mIHRoaW5nLiZuYnNwOyBJIGNhbid0IGdldCBp bnRvIHRoZSBhcmNoaXZlcywgc28gcGxlYXNlIGZvcmdpdmUgbWUgaWYgdGhpcyBp cyB0aGVyZS48L0RJVj4NCjxESVY+Jm5ic3A7PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPlRoYW5rcyw8 L0RJVj4NCjxESVY+Um9iZXJ0YSBQcmljZTwvRElWPg0KPFA+PC9QPjxCUj4tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLSA8QlI+Um9iZXJ0YSBQcmljZSA8QlI+TGlicmFyaWFuIDxCUj5H cm9zc21vbnQgSG9zcGl0YWwgTGlicmFyeSA8QlI+KDYxOSk2NDQtNDE1MiA8QlI+ PEJSPiJUaGVyZSBpcyBub3RoaW5nIG9mIHdoaWNoIGV2ZXJ5IG1hbiBpcyBzbyBh ZnJhaWQgYXMgZ2V0dGluZyB0byBrbm93IGhvdyBlbm9ybW91c2x5IG11Y2ggaGUg aXMgY2FwYWJsZSBvZiBkb2luZyBhbmQgYmVjb21pbmcuIiA8QlI+LS1Tb3JlbiBL aWVya2VnYWFyZCA8QlI+PEJSPjxiciBjbGVhcj1hbGw+PGhyPkdldCB5b3VyIEZS RUUgZG93bmxvYWQgb2YgTVNOIEV4cGxvcmVyIGF0IDxhIGhyZWY9Imh0dHA6Ly9l eHBsb3Jlci5tc24uY29tIj5odHRwOi8vZXhwbG9yZXIubXNuLmNvbTwvYT48YnI+ PC9wPjwvaHRtbD4NCg== ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:28:04 -0700 From: "BALIS/PLS/SVLS Reference Center, SF Branch" <srcsf@mindspring.com> To: Stumpers <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: * Re: Dictionary, alphabetized backwards **Many thanks** to Daphne Drewello, Dennis Kluk, Jay Dillon, & Shari Haber, for helping with this question. Here's one other title to add to those they've identifed: _Word-game companion: having fun with words, including a 60,000 word list sorted backwards_ , by Fred G. Thompson (Ottawa: Futurescan Int'l, 1993, OCLC #35947736). A few additional comments, for the record - Most rhyming dictionaries were not helpful, since most such sources offer a limited selection of words which are grouped by pronunciation. The one that Dennis Kluk identified, however, is a very substantial list which *is* arranged strictly alphabetically. Subject headings remained difficult to get a grasp on, and are quite varied among the titles identified. The most likely sounding "English language - Reverse indexes", which was assigned to some of the older titles identified by Jay Dillon, is applied to a different sort of contemporary publication. For example, the _Oxford reverse dictionary_, published 1999, contains groupings of synonyms (much like a thesaurus). Other works currently assigned this heading include thematic suffix dictionaries. Again, many thanks for all your good help! - Catherine Sylvia BALIS/PLS/SVLS System Reference Center, SF Branch c/o San Francisco Public Library 100 Larkin Street, 3rd floor San Francisco, CA 94102 tel: (415) 552-5042 fax: (415) 552-5067 email: srcsf@mindspring.com ================================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:07:57 -0400 (EDT) From: LILongJr@aol.com To: AllenAmet@aol.com Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: % Origin: show one's stripes --Boundary_(ID_HpA6KkUG5c79KC3z4Jz6ww) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 5/11/2001 10:28:44 AM US Mountain Standard Time, AllenAmet@aol.com writes: > as you say, it may well be that "stripe" was originally a swatch of color > or mark of ID. That's where the trouble started... it impinged on all those > other "stripes". What was once clear then became obscure... ;-) Different > Hmmmm..."stripe" as a synonym for "colours" or "livery". Sounds reasonable to me, especially since many coats of arms (greatly reduced in a livery patch) looked like so many stripes or circles.... 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Woodruff" <cierpke@prodigy.net> To: Roberta Price <roberta_price@hotmail.com> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: Astronaut quote roberta: It sounds like a paraphrase of one of the two following quotes I am only one But still I am one I cannot do everything, But still I can do something. And because I cannot do everything I will not refuse to do the something that I can do.And by the grace of God, I will.--Edward Everett Hale I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do.--Helen Keller Kevin At 10:30 PM 5/11/2001 +0000, you wrote: ><html><DIV>Oh, great Womb@ts:</DIV> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV>Does anyone recognize a quote that is something like "I can't do this whole mission by myself, but I can do my part, and you won't fail on account of me."&nbsp; Apparently, this quote appeared in a National Geographic video on the space program, without attribution.&nbsp; Does this sound familiar to anyone.</DIV> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV>I work in a medical library, and I have not found much on the web, my only resource for this sort of thing.&nbsp; I can't get into the archives, so please forgive me if this is there.</DIV> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV>Thanks,</DIV> ><DIV>Roberta Price</DIV> ><P></P><BR>-------------------------------------------------------------- <BR>Roberta Price <BR>Librarian <BR>Grossmont Hospital Library <BR>(619)644-4152 <BR><BR>"There is nothing of which every man is so afraid as getting to know how enormously much he is capable of doing and becoming." <BR>--Soren Kierkegaard <BR><BR><br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p></html> > Kevin W. Woodruff, M. Div. Library Director/Reference Librarian Professor of New Testament Greek Cierpke Memorial Library Tennessee Temple University/Temple Baptist Seminary 1815 Union Ave. Chattanooga, Tennessee 37404 United States of America 423/493-4252 (office) 423/698-9447 (home) 423/493-4497 (FAX) Cierpke@prodigy.net (preferred) kwoodruf@utk.edu (alternate) http://pages.prodigy.net/cierpke/woodruff.htm ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:10:12 +0200 From: Zendry =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sv=E4rdkrona?= <z@press.nu> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: What Time? Hello!=0D=0A=0D=0AI would like to know what time in the morning, in g= eneral, the schoolday=0D=0Astarts in as many countries as possible. I= f you can help me I would=0D=0Aappreciate your help before Saturday 2= 3.30 CET.=0D=0A=0D=0AThanks in advance.=0D=0A=0D=0ARegards,=0D=0A= =0D=0AZendry=0D=0A--=0D=0A___________________________________________= ____________=0D=0A* Zendry Sv=E4rdkrona | z@press.nu = *=0D=0A* 08-725 20 00(jobb) | http://Press.nu (researchsida)*= =0D=0A* 08-562 52 822 (fax) | PGPid:0x9173A5E2 *=0D= =0A* Reporter Aftonbladet| =20 *=0D=0A--------------------------------------= -----------------=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:58:55 -0400 From: ibbetson <dibbet6692@home.com> To: Zendry =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sv=E4rdkrona?= <z@press.nu> Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: What Time? At 07:10 PM 5/12/2001 +0200, Zendry Sv=E4rdkrona wrote:=0D=0A>I would= like to know what time in the morning, in general, the schoolday= =0D=0A>starts in as many countries as possible. If you can help me I = would=0D=0A>appreciate your help before Saturday 23.30 CET.=0D=0A= =0D=0AMy memory is that in the UK elementary schools (under 12) start= ed at 9:30am=0D=0A=0D=0AThe school I attended afterwards was in the C= ity of London (its name is =0D=0A"The City of London School") and mos= t of us had a journey of an hour or, in =0D=0Asome cases, more each w= ay. We started at 9:00am had a morning break, a 45 =0D=0Aminute lunch break= , an afternoon break and finished (apart from =0D=0Aafter-school acti= vities) at 3:30pm. The idea was that we didn't have to =0D=0Atravel h= ome during the rush hour.=0D=0A=0D=0ADavid ib=0D=0ADavid Ibbetson * 1= 33 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4=0D=0A = mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com=0D=0APhone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416= )831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:13:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AllenAmet@aol.com To: cierpke@prodigy.net Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: %Astronaut quote In a message dated 01-05-12 12:24:21 EDT, Kevin writes: I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do.--Helen Keller>> <<Does anyone recognize a quote that is something like "I can't do this whole mission by myself, but I can do my part, and you won't fail on account of me." Apparently, this quote appeared in a National Geographic video on the space program, without attribution. Does this sound familiar to anyone.>> ----------- long and winding connection dept. The National Geoghraphic was founded by Alexander Graham Bell, and he was an early tutor of Helen Keller. allen koenigsberg ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:02:32 -0800 From: Karen Weiss <kathwe@rain.org> To: Zendry =?UNKNOWN?Q?Sv=E4rdkrona?= <z@press.nu>, Subj: %What Time? Zendry Svärdkrona wrote: > > Hello! > > I would like to know what time in the morning, in general, the schoolday > starts in as many countries as possible. If you can help me I would > appreciate your help before Saturday 23.30 CET. > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > > Zendry I am at home and my only access to information is the web. Here is the best information I could find in about 1 hour's search. http://talkaboutsleep.com/print_versions/dailylife/lamberg/PRsleeping_teens.htm "Although the biological wake-up time for a teenager who goes to sleep at 11 p.m. is 8:20 a.m., classes in most schools in the United States and other countries start well before that. Classes also start about 30 to 60 minutes earlier today than they did when parents of today's students attended high school." --Karen Weiss Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. 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On 12 May 01, at 19:10, Zendry Sv=E4rdkrona wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> I wou= ld like to know what time in the morning, in general, the schoolday= =0D=0A> starts in as many countries as possible. If you can help me I= would=0D=0A> appreciate your help before Saturday 23.30 CET.=0D=0A= =0D=0AThis assumes a central control and other factors which may not = exist in=0D=0Amany countries. Urban and agrarian needs are likely to= vary within many a=0D=0Acountry. Half of Ecuador's population is un= der age 15. This calls for three=0D=0Aschool shifts during the day.= =0D=0A=0D =0AT.F. Mills=0D=0Awombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado,= USA)=0D=0AStumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net= =0D=0AThe Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!"=0D=0A=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 04:34:08 +0800 From: timothypwee@nlb.gov.sg To: Zendry Sv=?iso-8859-1?Q?=E4rdkrona?= <z@press.nu> Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: What Time? In Singapore, generally 7:30am for morning session classes and 1:00pm for afternoon session classes. My own alma mater starts at 7:15am and 12:30am respectively. There is a move now towards full-day classes. Regards, Timothy Pwee (who appreciates that his library working day only starts at 8:00am) Librarian Information Packaging National Library Board Singapore ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:45:59 -0700 (MST) From: Louis Howley <lhowley@lib.ci.phoenix.az.us> To: stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subj: ?Quotation I have a patron who is looking for the end of a quotation and the source of that quotation. He believes the source is a "raconteur." When asked "what are the ingredients that are necessary for people to have good conversation?", he replied: "That's easy. The participants must have only a passing acquaintance with the Almighty, the participants must have a modicum of financial security." There is a third part that is necessary that the patron does not recall. I work in a medium-size public library. I have checked our quotation sources to no avail for this information. ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:55:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnaGieschen@aol.com To: stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subj: ?Old poem about finding a farm machine part This is a question of my own, that I have no idea how to answer - I just heard North Dakota singer Chuck Suchy's "parts man" song, and it started me trying again to recall something my mother used to recite, about a farmer trying to describe to a dealer the part he needed for his broken down mower without knowing the name of the part. I suspect it was something in a farm magazine a long time ago - thirties maybe. It could be older than that - she was born in 1912. I think the first line was something like, "The farmer gazed with _____ frown, upon his mower broken down...." Does anyone have an idea on this? Anna Gieschen Wegner Center Sioux Falls, South Dakota ================================================================================ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:09:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Kathy Heil <heil@cbl.umces.edu> To: Zendry =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sv=E4rdkrona?= <z@press.nu> Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re:% What Time? =09Most of Maryland starts High Schools around 7:15; Middle School= =0D=0Aaround 7:45 and Elementary schools around 8:30. This is becaus= e the same=0D=0Abusses route kids at each level in the same area (rur= al parts anyhow -=0D=0Acities are probably different). There are som= e places where they are=0D=0Atrying High School later mainly because = of new studies on Sleep patterns=0D=0Aof H.S. age students.=0D=0AKath= y=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AOn Sat, 12 May 2001, Zendry [iso-8859-1] Sv=E4rdkr= ona wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> Hello!=0D=0A> =0D=0A> I would like to know wh= at time in the morn ing, in general, the schoolday=0D=0A> starts in as many countries as = possible. If you can help me I would=0D=0A> appreciate your help befo= re Saturday 23.30 CET.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Thanks in advance.=0D=0A> =0D= =0A> Regards,=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Zendry=0D=0A> --=0D=0A> ________________= _______________________________________=0D=0A> * Zendry Sv=E4rdkrona = | z@press.nu *=0D=0A> * 08-725 20 00(jobb) | = http://Press.nu (researchsida)*=0D=0A> * 08-562 52 822 (fax) | PGPid= :0x9173A5E2 *=0D=0A> * Reporter Aftonbladet| = =0D=0A> =20 *=0D=0A> -------------------------------------------------------= =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 08:37:33 -0400 From: thomas.d.fuller@us.andersen.com To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: % Bass trumpets The mysterious "bass trumpet" reference in the English version of the libretto to Verdi's opera OTELLO has been satisfactorily explained as a mondegreen for "base strumpet". Ever thirsty for knowledge, though, I got to thinking whether the original could possibly contain a reference to bass trumpets anyhow. The answer is just barely. The bass trumpet was invented by Richard Wagner for his RING cycle, and first appears in the orchestration for DAS RHEINGOLD, which premiered in 1869. Later composers, including R. Strauss and Stravinsky, fiddled with it (no pun intended), but not very convincingly; when you're talking about bass trumpets, you're really talking about the Ring. (See Norman Delmar's astoundingly erudite ANATOMY OF THE ORCHESTRA for details.) OTELLO premiered in 1887 and was translated into English the same year. The original English translation was by Francis Hueffer (see http://www.dlib.indiana.edu/variations/scores/bhr3363/ for a letter from him to the original librettist) and seems to have been a respectful attempt to follow the libretto with special reference to the original Shakespeare text (no bass trumpets there -- 265 years too early!). Of course, nothing would prevent a later translator from including the reference. There is no bass trumpet in the opera's orchestration; see http://php.indiana.edu/~lneff/libretti/verotel0.html#Orch While I can't categorically say that Verdi never scored for the instrument, I can find no evidence that he did so. These idle delvings have satisfied me that the a priori expectation of finding a connection between OTELLO and bass trumpets is very low. I post them on this sleepy Sunday morning before collaborating on breakfast in bed for someone whose time is spent in duties far more demanding and important than daydreaming about bass trumpets. -- Tom, wishing everyone a happy Mother's Day *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:10:06 +1000 From: Timothy Ferguson <ferguson@beyond.net.au> To: Stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subj: ? First reference to skiing in Switzerland Dear Wombats, As an ex-member (recently made redundant) I come to beg an answer - replies to my personal address, please. I'm working on a book to do with C13th century Switzerland and Austria and need to confirm if skiing is in-period -specifically in this region-. I've tried simple encyclopaedia searches (Britannica, Americana), Googling the Web, and asking local a reference librarian (who was so very helpful that she told me that it was a prehistoric practice without either checking her sources or asking me what research I'd done myself - charming.) but local collections in tropical Queensland contain very little about skiing. I know it's a prehistoric practice that diffused from Lapland or Sweden - what I need to know is did people in Switzerland and Austria ski during the C13th? I know they didn't do it for sport (C.18th) and I know they didn't Alpine ski (C19th), but I need to know if they Nordic/cross-country skied in this place, at this time... Thanks, in advance, for all assistance --- Timothy Ferguson ferguson@beyond.net.au ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 14:20:35 -0500 From: Kate Wolicki <Kwolicki@nileslibrary.org> To: 'Lesley Lawrence' <Lesley.Lawrence@dol.net> Cc: "'stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: RE: ?New England Catalog Company Just to be truly horrible...I seem to recall a factory that made flatware in New England figuring in a mystery by Charlotte MacLeod..but maybe it was Nancy Drew... But seriously, she wouldn't mean something like an Oneida factory outlet or something, would she? Those seem to be peppered around in Factory Outlet Malls in the Midwest. I found this one: http://www.chinafairinc.com/index.html by searching "discount flatware" on google. There were more than 4000 hits but this one mentions New England. Kate Wolicki Niles Public Library District Niles, IL -----Original Message----- From: Lesley Lawrence [mailto:Lesley.Lawrence@dol.net] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:22 AM To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subject: ?New England Catalog Company Hi, all-- Just in time for Mother's Day... I'm the patron here ... or actually my mother is. I got a phone call from her. She wants to know the name of the catalog company in New England--maybe Massachusetts but on second thought maybe New Hampshire or maybe it is Massachusetts but definitely in New England--that sells tableware (particularly flatware) at a real discount. "You know, the place where I ordered extra place settings. I get the catalog. You have to know the name." (I live in Delaware. She lives in Iowa. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to know what catalogs the mailman delivers to her. <g>) Many--if not all of you--have mothers just like mine who expect you to pluck things out of the air on the flimsiest of info so you can sympathize. Can anyone come to my rescue and suggest a possible name? (No, it's not L. L. Bean. <g>) TIA. Lesley Lawrence U.S. Courts Library Wilmington, DE ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:53:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Daria Phair <dphair@mail.pratt.lib.md.us> To: Louise Sullivan <lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: %Words and Music for Three Songs Needed On Wed, 2 May 2001, Louise Sullivan wrote: > We have a customer who needs the words and music to the following: > > 1) Until (words and music by Jack Fulton and Bob Crosby, 1948. Recorded by > Tommy Dorsey; vocal by Harry Prine). > > 3) Au Revoir, but Not Goodbye, Soldier Boy (words by Lew Brown, music by > Albert von Tilger, 1917). Dear Louise, I'm a little late responding, and I can't get into the archives to see if #3 was already found. But, Pratt Library has the sheet music for "Au Revoir..." I also found a *Tune-Dex* card (melody line, guitar chords, and not necessarily all of the lyrics) for "Until" by Jack Fulton, Bob Crosby, and Hunter Kahler. I will fax them today. HTH and wasn't redundant or too late. Yours tunefully, Daria Phair/Enoch Pratt Library/Baltimore, MD (410) 396-5471 (Collection Management Dept.) ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:58:03 -0600 From: "T.F. Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> To: Timothy Ferguson <ferguson@beyond.net.au> Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? First reference to skiing in Switzerland On 13 May 01, at 22:10, Timothy Ferguson wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> I'm work= ing on a book to do with C13th century Switzerland and Austria and= =0D=0A> need to confirm if skiing is in-period -specifically in this = region-.=0D=0A> I know it's a prehistoric practice that diffused from= Lapland or Sweden -=0D=0A> what I need to know is did people in Swit= zerland and Austria ski during the=0D=0A> C13th? I know they didn't = do it for sport (C.18th) and I know they didn't=0D=0A> Alpine ski (C1= 9th), but I need to know if they Nordic/cross-country skied=20 in=0D=0A> this place, at this time...=0D=0A=0D=0AAccording to:=0D= =0Ahttp://www.torino2006.it/eng/giochi/alpino_storia.asp=0D=0A=0D= =0A"In the history of skiing, the slopes of the Alps have always requ= ired a=0D=0Aspecial sliding technique, much different from that used = in the northernmost=0D=0Acountries of Europe. The first testimonies t= o the use of skis in central Europe=0D=0Awere recorded by the Austria= n, Valvasor, who in his Die Ehre des=0D=0AHerzogtumes Krain, publishe= d in 1689, points out that in the small province=0D=0Aof Carniola (Au= stria) the l ocals habitually used skis to go down through the=0D=0Awoods."=0D= =0A=0D=0AAccording to a book blurb for "La grande histoire du ski" by= le Mus=E9e=0D=0ADauphinois (Grenoble, 1994) in conjunction with thei= r exhibition on the=0D=0Asubject:=0D=0Ahttp://www.musee-dauphinois.fr= /02mused/publ/md/ski.html=0D=0A=0D=0A"Contrairement =E0 une id=E9e tr= op r=E9pandue, le ski n'est pas une invention=0D=0Acontemporaine mais= =E9tait d=E9j=E0 utilis=E9, il y a 4000 ans environ, par les=0D=0Ape= uples nordiques pour se d=E9placer sur la neige. Hormis une exception= =0D=0Anotable en Slov=E9nie=20 o=F9 le ski est connu d=E8s le XVIIe si=E8cle, l'Europe ne=0D=0Ad= =E9couvre cet outil qu'=E0 la fin du XIXe si=E8cle, pour le transform= er aussit=F4t en=0D=0Ainstrument de loisir."=0D=0A=0D=0ATranslation: = Contrary to widely held belief, skiing is not a modern invention,= =0D=0Abut was used about 4000 years ago by nordic peoples (i.e. scand= inavian) for=0D=0Atransport. But with the notable exception of Slove= nia, where skiing was=0D=0Aknown in the 17th century, Europe did not = discover this tool until the end of=0D=0Athe 19th century, turning it= into a instr ument for leisure.=0D=0A=0D=0AScandinavians were almost single-handed= ly responsible for the spread of=0D=0Askiing in the 19th century. No= rwegians took downhill competition (16-foot=0D=0Askis!) to the Califo= rnia gold rush in 1849. Fridtjof Nansen's 1888 ski trek=0D=0Aacross = Greenland (published in 1890) caught the imagination of Europe.=0D= =0ANorwegian students brought skiing to Switzerland in the 1890s. The= German=0D=0Ageologist Wilhelm Paulcke was the first to traverse the = Bernese Oberland on=0D=0Askiis in 1897. The French Army introdu ced ski troops in 1901 (Briancon),=0D=0Aand this led to the creation = of a military ski school in 1904.=0D=0A=0D=0AAccording to:=0D=0Ahttp:= //www.multimania.com/pyreneespassion/histoire_ski.htm=0D=0A"Il faudra= attendre la fin du XIX=B0 si=E8cle pour que le ski p=E9n=E8tre dans = les Alpes=0D=0AFran=E7aises. Henri Duhamel, alpiniste de Grenoble, d= =E9couvre =E0 l'Exposition=0D=0Ade 1878 de grandes raquettes canadien= nes et de longues et =E9troites=0D=0Aplanchettes, qu'un exposant Su= =E9dois lui recommande pour le parcours sur la=0D=0Aneige. =C9prouvan= t de grandes diffic ult=E9s =E0 les utiliser, il doit attendre 1889=0D=0Apour que toute u= ne documentation sur l'utilisation de ces skis lui=0D=0Aparvienne de = Finlande."=0D=0A=0D=0ATranslation: Skiing did reach the French Alps = until the end of the 19th=0D=0Acentury. Henri Duhamel, an alpinist o= f Grenoble, discovered at the 1878=0D=0AExposition some canadian snow= shoes and long narrow planks=0D=0Arecommended by a Swede for traversi= ng snow. Experiencing great difficulty=0D=0Ain their use, he had to = wait until 1889 for full documentation on their use to=0D=0Aarrive fr om Finland.=0D=0A=0D=0AUntil the 18th-19th century the mountains in S= witzerland were fearsome,=0D=0Aassociated with all sorts of deathly d= anger. In fact demons were thought to=0D=0Alive in the mountains (de= spite the Psalms!) In 1387 Lucerne imprisoned six=0D=0Amonks who att= empted to climb Mount Pilatus. Some mountain passes were=0D=0Athorou= ghfares in antiquity, and the Romans built hostels (later maintained = by=0D=0Amonks). The Saint Bernard is one such, with plenty of archeo= logical=0D=0Aevidence of travelers spending the night at the=20 top since Roman times.The=0D=0Atrip already being fraught with danger= , I doubt any would deliberately magnify=0D=0Athe risk by speeding do= wn the mountain on planks. Skiing is a learned skill,=0D=0Aand the p= eople who ventured across the mountains would not likely have=0D=0Ain= vented or learned something that they rarely needed. There is a muse= um=0D=0Aat the Saint Bernard Pass, but I don't recall anything about = travelers or=0D=0Amonks on skis before the 20th century.=0D=0A=0D= =0ABy contrast, the plains in Switzerland are not as snowy as for eigners might=0D=0Aexpect, and that would explain why ski transport d= id not develop as in=0D=0AScandinavia.=0D=0A=0D=0AThe British (mad do= gs) developed alpinism in the mid 19th century, and the=0D=0ASwiss to= urist industry began. One of my gg..fathers built one of the first h= igh=0D=0Aaltitude hotels in 1859. St. Moritz became the first winter= tourist station in=0D=0A1864 -- but still, no skiing. I have an 186= 7 guide to Switzerland which=0D=0Acontains not a hint of skiing.=0D= =0A=0D=0ASo, to answer your question: it seems highly doubtful that = an ybody was=0D=0Adoing skiing of any kind in Switzerland in the 13th ce= ntury.=0D=0A=0D=0AT(elemark) F(un)=0D=0Awombat@regiments.org = (Denver, Colorado, USA)=0D=0AStumpers Unofficial Page: http://womb= ats.areawesome.net=0D=0AThe Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!"= =0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:35:07 -0400 From: "Robert T. Jones" <jonesrt@bellsouth.net> To: Stumpers <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: ""In the first place"" Will some grammarians out there please explain the correct usage of the phrase (idiom?) "In the first place..." I recently wrote in a piece about criticism, "Critics tend to overstate things. In the first place, you shouldn't trust critics anyway." I was castigated for writing this, and it does seem wrong, but I can't figure out WHY. Can somebody please help? ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:55:11 -0400 From: ibbetson <isserlis@home.com> To: "Robert T. Jones" <sharpears32@hotmail.com> Cc: Stumpers <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ""In the first place"" At 04:35 PM 5/13/2001 -0400, Robert T. Jones wrote: >Will some grammarians out there please explain the correct usage of the >phrase (idiom?) "In the first place..." I recently wrote in a piece about >criticism, "Critics tend to overstate things. In the first place, you >shouldn't trust critics anyway." I was castigated for writing this, and it >does seem wrong, but I can't figure out WHY. Can somebody please help? The only objection I know is that it's a wordy alternative for "first" or "firstly". (The choice between "first" and "firstly" is fashion. Current practice seems to call for "firstly".) David ib ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:30:44 -0600 From: "T.F. Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> To: Stumpers <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ""In the first place"" At 04:35 PM 5/13/2001 -0400, Robert T. Jones wrote: > Will some grammarians out there please explain the correct usage of the > phrase (idiom?) "In the first place..." I recently wrote in a piece about > criticism, "Critics tend to overstate things. In the first place, you shouldn't > trust critics anyway." I was castigated for writing this, and it does seem > wrong, but I can't figure out WHY. Incomplete parallelism? Did your argument lack a "second place", "third" etc.? This is the same construction as not... but both... and either... or not only... but also T(here) F(ore) Mills wombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado, USA) Stumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net The Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!" ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 18:51:13 -0400 (EDT) From: LILongJr@aol.com To: sharpears32@hotmail.com, stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ""In the first place"" --Boundary_(ID_ZiONgAJXqze3yozAyT/NfA) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 5/13/2001 1:48:19 PM US Mountain Standard Time, jonesrt@bellsouth.net writes: > Will some grammarians out there please explain the correct usage of the > phrase (idiom?) "In the first place..." I recently wrote in a piece about > criticism, "Critics tend to overstate things. In the first place, you > shouldn't trust critics anyway." I was castigated for writing this, and it > does seem wrong, but I can't figure out WHY. Can somebody please help? > Well, in the first place, you should only use it to introduce the first of several arguments. In the second place (see what I mean?), it's VERY overused. And, finally, in the third place, you shouldn't put down critics; they serve a useful purpose, much like cockroaches. <Eg> Source: Strunk and White, "The Elements of Style" (except for the third place; everyone creative knows that one...). 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(By the way, this thing seems to be circulating again. Two of my co-workers recently received it. Oddly, I got the oil changed in my car the weekend before!). It is at http://www.geocities.com/loisnotlane/gry.html Meanwhile, I added a couple of "solutions" that were recently sent to me by people who apparently found the site from a search engine (probably Google). One of them even makes a certain amount of sense! Then I added a no-graphics (no "Scream"!) version at http://www.geocities.com/loisnotlane/gryplain.html I have not yet made links to the plain version from either the illustrated version or my homepage (or vice versa), though. I've also made a few small changes to the Rivers That Flow North page, adding one river (the Arecibo, aka Rio Grande de Arecibo, in Puerto Rico). http://www.geocities.com/loisnotlane/rivers.html Please try these, especially if you had trouble accessing them before, and let me know if they work OK this time! -- ^~~~~^ Lois lfundis@weir.net 0 0 http://www.geocities.com/loisnotlane/index.html \/ Calvin: "What's the point of a propeller beanie if you can't even fly when you wear it?!" -- Bill Watterson, March 18, 1989 http://www.calvinandhobbes.com/index.html ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:54:40 -0400 From: Lesley Lawrence <Lesley.Lawrence@dol.net> To: Dan Robinson <drobinson@hwwexch.hwwilson.com>, STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: RE: ?New England Catalog Company My mother confirms that it is Ross-Simons. Thanks to all who responded. Lesley At 09:39 AM 5/11/01 -0400, Dan Robinson wrote: >Lesley, the company is Ross-Simons. http://www.ross-simons.com/ . > >They have a form on the site to request a catalog. > >Dan Robinson >drobinson@hwwilson.com >(yes, we get the catalog at home <grin>) > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lesley Lawrence [mailto:Lesley.Lawrence@dol.net] >> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:22 AM >> >> >> Hi, all-- >> >> Just in time for Mother's Day... >> >> I'm the patron here ... or actually my mother is. I got a >> phone call from >> her. She wants to know th >e name of the catalog company in New >> England--maybe Massachusetts but on second thought maybe New >> Hampshire or >> maybe it is Massachusetts but definitely in New England--that sells >> tableware (particularly flatware) at a real discount. "You >> know, the place >> where I ordered extra place settings. I get the catalog. >> You have to know >> the name." (I live in Delaware. She lives in Iowa. I'm not >> sure how I'm >> supposed to know what catalogs the mailman delivers to her. <g>) >> >> >Many--if not all of you--have mothers just like mine who expect you to >> pluck things out of the air on the flimsiest of info so you >> can sympathize. >> >> Can anyone come to my rescue and suggest a possible name? >> (No, it's not L. >> L. Bean. <g>) >> >> TIA. >> >> Lesley Lawrence >> U.S. Courts Library >> Wilmington, DE >> >> >> > ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:09:10 -0700 From: Marilyn Wilkerson <maralinn@visto.com> Sender: maralinn@visto.com To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ""In the first place"" I suspec that the person who castigated you thought that having both = "in the first place" and "anyway" is redundant. Personally, I would h= ave cut one or the other.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A-----Original Messag= e-----=0D=0AFrom: Robert T. Jones jonesrt@bellsouth.net=0D=0ASent:= Sun, 13 May 2001 16:35:07 -0400=0D=0ATo: stumpers-l@cuis.edu= =0D=0ASubject: "In the first place"=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AWill some gramma= rians out there please explain the correct usage of the=0D=0Aphrase (= idiom?) "In the first place..." I recently wrote in a piece about= =0D=0Acriticism , "Critics tend to overstate things. In the first place, you=0D=0Asho= uldn't trust critics anyway." I was castigated for writing this, and = it=0D=0Adoes seem wrong, but I can't figure out WHY. Can somebody ple= ase help?=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A________________________= ___________________________________________________=0D=0AVisit http:/= /www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications center.=0D= =0AVisto.com. Life on the Dot.=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:36:29 +0000 (GMT0BST) From: Adrian Smith <lib6as@library.novell.leeds.ac.uk> To: STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu Subj: (Fwd) Poem request ""I thought of you once today"" ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:22:09 +0100 mailto:lis-link@jiscmail.ac.uk One of students would like to find a poem, but the only information he has is that it _contains_ the line "I thought of you once today, and the thought lasted all day" or something like it. Can anyone help? Also, does anyone have any recommendations of websites for finding poetry, other than the ordinary search engines? Thanks ------- End of forwarded message ------- ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:40:16 -0400 From: Mario Rups <rupsm@sil.si.edu> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ""In the first place"" Actually, simply taking the two sentences out of context (since you p= rovide none), I can see several problems. Caveat: although I write i= nformally in e-mail, I am very much in favour of a more formal writin= g style in essays and the like; my statements reflect this but may no= t reflect your professor's / editor's opinions.=0D=0A=0D=0A1) Overuse= of "In the first place" ... it's trite. A minor sin, but if the pie= ce was for a writing class, I can see why the professor / editor woul= d want you to avoid it, especially if you do not have an "In the second place". A more forceful writing s= tyle would also omit alternative terms such as "First" or "Firstly".= =0D=0A=0D=0A2) The "anyway" ... too informal. If the whole piece is = informal and that's your style, and if you are established enough as = a writer to be allowed an informal style, that would be another matte= r, but in a writing class or for a formal article / essay, this sort = of informality is too jarring.=0D=0A=0D=0A3) The statement as a whole= ... unsubstantiated opinion, as it stands, an d very sweeping. Much better coming as the culmination of an argumen= t to support the statement, even if the argument itself appears after= ward. Do you have such an argument? Does one follow hard upon the s= tatement? If not, the reader you address so directly (use of "you") = will want to know why (s)he should not trust [all, any?] critics.= =0D=0A=0D=0A4) "In the first place" implies an explanation or argumen= t supporting the "Critics tend to overstate things" sentence, yet it = neither explains nor supports. It merely follows. (For that matter, do you have any substantiation for your = point that critics overstate things? What sort of things do they ten= d to overstate? Not having a better context makes it harder to answe= r your basic "Why did the professor / editor castigate me?" question.= )=0D=0A=0D=0AHave you asked what the specific objection was? Was it = really against the use of "In the first place" or against something e= lse?=0D=0A=0D=0AMario Rups=0D=0Arupsm@sil.si.edu=0D=0A=0D=0AFrom: = Robert T. Jones jonesrt@bellsouth.net =0D=0ASent: Sun, 13=20 May 2001 16:35:07 -0400=0D=0ATo: stumpers-l@cuis.edu =0D=0ASubje= ct: "In the first place"=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AWill some grammarians out t= here please explain the correct usage of the=0D=0Aphrase (idiom?) "In= the first place..." I recently wrote in a piece about=0D=0Acriticis= m=0D=0A, "Critics tend to overstate things. In the first place, you= =0D=0Ashouldn't trust critics anyway." I was castigated for writing t= his, and it=0D=0Adoes seem wrong, but I can't figure out WHY. Can som= ebody please help?=0D=0A_____________________________________________= ______ ________________________=0D=0AVisit http://www.visto.com/info, your f= ree web-based communications center.=0D=0AVisto.com. Life on the Dot.= =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:19:42 -0500 From: State Library Reference <aslref@asl.lib.ar.us> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Cc: aslref@arkstar.asl.lib.ar.us Subj: Thank you Many thanks to Stumpers Archives. You came through yet again when I had a question that I was sure had never been asked of Stumpers. Checked the Archives, and there it was. Stumpers is the best! Elizabeth Danley, Reference Arkansas State Library One Capitol Mall Little Rock, AR 72201 (501) 682-2053 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:38:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Neal <carolyn@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us> To: stumpers list <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Portland Daily Journal of Commerce? Morning, I hate to ask but if anyone subscribes to the Portland, Oregon edition of the Daily Journal of Commerce could you please fax me an ad from the May 7 issue? It's an ad for a research project, company is Art Anderson Associates in Bremerton, WA. Thanks! Carolyn Neal Phone 360-405-9117 Kitsap Regional Library Fax 360-405-9128 1301 Sylvan Way Bremerton, WA 98310 carolyn@krl.org ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement I'm asking this on behalf of a friend of mine whose daughter does not do very well in math as to whether there are any colleges or universities which do not require taking college level mathematics in order to graduate. I know Brown University doesn't, since they changed their curriculum back during the 60s to reflect the less structured trends of the time, and have never changed it back, but it would be nice to have some more options available. A student shouldn't be barred from attending college simply because she can't do math, especialy if she is a liberal arts or fine arts major whose later career will have nothing to do with algegra, calculus, trig, etc. I've tried Google, ERIC, Education Abstracts, Lexis-Nexis, Ebscohost, and Proquest, but turned up nothing. I also tried the database of college catalogs, but it did not offer that as one of the search criteria, and free-text searching only pulled up the catalogs themselves, not the pinpointed information. Anyone have any ideas on this or know of individual colleges that don't require math? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ? ? ? ? Denise Montgomery "Knowledge is of two kinds; ? ? Valdosta State Univ Library we know a subject ourselves, ? ? Valdosta, GA 31698 or we know where we can find ? ? information upon it." ? ? (912) 333-5867 Dr. Samuel Johnson, Boswell's ? ? (912) 333-5862 FAX Life of Johnson, April 15, ? ? dmontgom@valdosta.edu 1775 ? ? http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Outlet/8896/ ? ? ? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:25:28 -0400 From: "Ehrig, Ellen" <EhrigEH@alfredstate.edu> To: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: RE: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement My stepdaughter graduated from Eastern Kentucky University (in Richmond) 10 years ago and she did not take any math. She was a Police Administration (Law Enforcement?) major. Don't know if things have changed since then, but it is a start. Ellen ============================ Ellen H. Ehrig W.C. Hinkle Library SUNY College of Technology at Alfred Alfred, NY 14802 PHONE: 607-587-4313 FAX: 607-587-4351 EMAIL: ehrigeh@alfredstate.edu ============================ -----Original Message----- From: Denise_Montgomery [mailto:dmontgom@valdosta.edu] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:12 PM To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement I'm asking this on behalf of a friend of mine whose daughter does not do very well in math as to whether there are any colleges or universities which do not require taking college level mathematics in order to graduate. I know Brown University doesn't, since they changed their curriculum back during the 60s to reflect the less structured trends of the time, and have never changed it back, but it would be nice to have some more options available. A student shouldn't be barred from attending college simply because she can't do math, especialy if she is a liberal arts or fine arts major whose later career will have nothing to do with algegra, calculus, trig, etc. I've tried Google, ERIC, Education Abstracts, Lexis-Nexis, Ebscohost, and Proquest, but turned up nothing. I also tried the database of college catalogs, but it did not offer that as one of the search criteria, and free-text searching only pulled up the catalogs themselves, not the pinpointed information. Anyone have any ideas on this or know of individual colleges that don't require math? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ? ? ? ? Denise Montgomery "Knowledge is of two kinds; ? ? Valdosta State Univ Library we know a subject ourselves, ? ? Valdosta, GA 31698 or we know where we can find ? ? information upon it." ? ? (912) 333-5867 Dr. Samuel Johnson, Boswell's ? ? (912) 333-5862 FAX Life of Johnson, April 15, ? ? dmontgom@valdosta.edu 1775 ? ? http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Outlet/8896/ ? ? ? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:24:40 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: Stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ""In the first place"" =0D=0A=0D=0AOn Sun, 13 May 2001, John P. Dyson wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> On= Sun, 13 May 2001, Robert T. Jones wrote:=0D=0A> =0D=0A> > Will some = grammarians out there please explain the correct usage of the=0D=0A> = > phrase (idiom?) "In the first place..." I recently wrote in a piec= e about=0D=0A> > criticism, "Critics tend to overstate things. In the= first place, you=0D=0A> > shouldn't trust critics anyway." I was cas= tigated for writing this, and it=0D=0A> > does seem wrong, but I can'= t figure out WHY. Can somebody please help?=0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> We= ll, Robert,=20 your sample doesn't require a grammarian, just an editor.=0D=0A>=0D= =0A> As for the correct usage of "in the first place," that phrase is= a=0D=0A> clich=E9, so it's best usage is never.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AOn = the other hand, one who writes "it's" when "its" is meant most=0D= =0Aassuredly *does* require the services of a grammarian!=0D=0A=0D= =0A=0D=0AJD=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 12:44:26 +0100 From: Sylvia Milne <SMilne6@compuserve.com> Sender: SMilne6@compuserve.com To: Stumpers <STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: What time? This is the timetable for a primary school (ages 5-11) in Cheshire, England, Vine Tree County Primary schook. It is pretty typical. From its webpage http://www.s-cheshire.ac.uk/web/schools/vinetree/ 9.00 a.m. -School starts 10.30 a.m. to 10.45 a.m. -Morning break 12.00 p.m. to 1.00 p.m. -Lunchtime 2.05 p.m. to 2.15 p.m. -Afternoon break - Key Stage 1 2.20 p.m. to 2.30 p.m. -Afternoon break - Key Stage 2 3.00 p.m. -End of school for Key Stage 1 3.30 p.m. -End of school for Key Stage 2 Another school Woodfall Infant School (ages 5-8)http://www.woodfallinfant.school.cheshire.org.uk/prospec.htm is as follows: The School Day School commences at 9.00 a.m. with registration. We open the playground door for the children to come in at 8.50 a.m. Please feel able to bring your child into school and the classroom in their early days in school. The playground door is locked at 9.00 a.m. and if you arrive after that time you must enter School by the front door. Similarly, if you need to collect your child during the school day please use the front door and report to the school secretary, Mrs. J. Williams, and sign the Absent Book. Twenty one hours are spent on teaching during the normal school week, including religious education, but excluding the statutory act of collective worship, registration and breaks. At the end of the afternoon session, which is at 3.15 p.m., we ask that all our children are collected. Children must come back into school if they cannot see the person who is collecting them. If you are unavoidably detained, please ring us so that we can reassure your child. Children are the responsibility of their parents after 3.15 p.m. Sylvia Milne Please visit me at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/SMilne6 ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 20:56:39 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: "Dexter Honeycutt (SAR)" <honeycut@virtu.sar.usf.edu> Cc: STUMPERS <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: Deforestation replies Hi Dexter, I think your patron will find a map of the estimated extent of the ancient cedars of Lebanon in John Perlin, A FOREST JOURNEY: THE ROLE OF WOOD IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF CIVILIZATION (New York: W. W. Norton, 1989). There is a subsequent Harvard University Press reprint or edition as well. It's been years since I've looked at it and the local copy is checked out, but perhaps someone on Stumpers can verify the accuracy of my memory for us both. John Dyson Spanish and Portuguese Indiana University ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 14:06:59 +0100 From: Sylvia Milne <SMilne6@compuserve.com> Sender: SMilne6@compuserve.com To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Zendry_Sv=E4rdkrona?= <z@press.nu> Cc: Stumpers <STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: What time This is the timetable for a primary school (ages 5-11) in Cheshire, England, Vine Tree County Primary schook. It is pretty typical. From its webpage http://www.s-cheshire.ac.uk/web/schools/vinetree/ 9.00 a.m. -School starts 10.30 a.m. to 10.45 a.m. -Morning break 12.00 p.m. to 1.00 p.m. -Lunchtime 2.05 p.m. to 2.15 p.m. -Afternoon break - Key Stage 1 2.20 p.m. to 2.30 p.m. -Afternoon break - Key Stage 2 3.00 p.m. -End of school for Key Stage 1 3.30 p.m. -End of school for Key Stage 2 Another school Woodfall Infant School (ages 5-8)http://www.woodfallinfant.school.cheshire.org.uk/prospec.htm is as follows: The School Day School commences at 9.00 a.m. with registration. We open the playground door for the children to come in at 8.50 a.m. Please feel able to bring your child into school and the classroom in their early days in school. The playground door is locked at 9.00 a.m. and if you arrive after that time you must enter School by the front door. Similarly, if you need to collect your child during the school day please use the front door and report to the school secretary, Mrs. J. Williams, and sign the Absent Book. Twenty one hours are spent on teaching during the normal school week, including religious education, but excluding the statutory act of collective worship, registration and breaks. At the end of the afternoon session, which is at 3.15 p.m., we ask that all our children are collected. Children must come back into school if they cannot see the person who is collecting them. If you are unavoidably detained, please ring us so that we can reassure your child. Children are the responsibility of their parents after 3.15 p.m. Sylvia Milne Please visit me at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/SMilne6 ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 20:47:16 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: "Robert T. Jones" <sharpears32@hotmail.com> Cc: Stumpers <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ""In the first place"" =0D=0A=0D=0AOn Sun, 13 May 2001, Robert T. Jones wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> = Will some grammarians out there please explain the correct usage of t= he=0D=0A> phrase (idiom?) "In the first place..." I recently wrote i= n a piece about=0D=0A> criticism, "Critics tend to overstate things. = In the first place, you=0D=0A> shouldn't trust critics anyway." I was= castigated for writing this, and it=0D=0A> does seem wrong, but I ca= n't figure out WHY. Can somebody please help?=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AWell, = Robert, your sample doesn't require a grammarian, just an editor.= =0D=0A"Criti cs tend to overstate things" is your introductory and thesis=0D=0Asen= tence. Your reader expects you to show how that is so and why it=0D= =0Amatters to your argument. Instead you immediately introduce a seco= nd and=0D=0Aunrelated idea (at the same time incorrectly calling it "= first" in the=0D=0Aseries). The problem in this example isn't grammar= , it's inconsistency.=0D=0A=0D=0AAs for the correct usage of "in the = first place," that phrase is a clich=E9,=0D=0Aso it's best usage is n= ever.=0D=0A=0D=0AJohn Dyson=0D=0ASpanish and Portuguese=0D=0AIndiana = Universi ty=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:10:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dexter Honeycutt (SAR)" <honeycut@virtu.sar.usf.edu> To: STUMPERS <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Douglas Adams of ""42"" fame Dear Friends Since the importance of the answer "42" has arisen a number of times in the past, I thought this should be added to the archives. Douglas Adams, the man responsible for this answer and the creator of The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, has passed on. From The Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20543-2001May12.html comes this obituary. For future reference there is also a website about the phenom and other nonsense http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/ And we should all remember those now famous words found in "friendly red letters on the cover of that wholely remarkable book - DON'T PANIC" Thank you Douglas Dexter whose son has memorized all six hours of the radio broadcasts - complete with incidental noises - and often bases any theological discussions on same "I enjoyed learning those cataloguing rules: they seemed designed to hide books so that no one, outside a small circle of initiates, would ever be able to find them again." -Oxford Exit- Veronica Stallwood ******************************************************************** Dexter Honeycutt Environmental Librarian Selby Public Library 1331 First Street Sarasota, FL 34236 941-316-1181, ext 260 941-316-1188 fax ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:55:12 -0400 From: ibbetson <isserlis@home.com> To: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement At 12:11 PM 5/14/2001 -0400, Denise_Montgomery wrote: > A student shouldn't be barred from attending >college simply because she can't do math, especialy if she is a liberal >arts or fine arts major whose later career will have nothing to do with >algegra, calculus, trig, etc. What does "can't do math" mean? * Can she give change without a machine to help her? * Does she know whether 40% is bigger than 2/5? * Can she do long division (again without a machine)? * What geometry does she know? * Does she have some idea of the metric prefixes (such as micro and kilo)? (In a metricised country, such as Canada, I expect familiarity with all of them, but don't find it.) David the ib with a degree in maths. ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:22:36 -0400 From: Barbara Bristow <BBristow@hwwexch.hwwilson.com> To: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: RE: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement When I went to Douglass College (part of Rutgers University) in the m= id=0D=0Ato late 70's, all the subjects were grouped into four catego= ries. I=0D=0Ahad to take six credits (two classes) in each of the ca= tegories except=0D=0Afor the one that held my major. One of the cate= gories was science and=0D=0Amath, and the college offered a "Biology = for Liberal Arts Majors" and a=0D=0A"Math for Liberal Arts Majors." = Somehow I missed the math class and=0D=0Awound up in pre-calc, but th= e bio course was very basic. Or I could=0D=0Ahave done t wo science courses if I had been so inclined. Things may=0D=0Ahave c= hanged since then, but it's worth a look.=0D=0A=0D=0ABarbara Bristow = (class of '79)=0D=0AEditor, OmniFile=0D=0AH. W. Wilson=0D=0A=0D=0A= =0D=0A> -----Original Message-----=0D=0A> =0D=0A> I'm asking this on = behalf of a friend of mine whose daughter =0D=0A> does not do=0D=0A> = very well in math as to whether there are any colleges or universitie= s=0D=0A> which do not require taking college level mathematics in ord= er to=0D=0A> graduate. I know Brown University doesn't, since they ch= anged their=0D=0A> curr iculum back during the 60s to reflect the less structured =0D=0A> tre= nds of=0D=0A> the time, and have never changed it back, but it would = be nice to have=0D=0A> some more options available. A student shouldn= 't be barred =0D=0A> from attending=0D=0A> college simply because she= can't do math, especialy if she is =0D=0A> a liberal=0D=0A> arts or = fine arts major whose later career will have nothing =0D=0A> to do wi= th=0D=0A> algegra, calculus, trig, etc.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> I've tried Goo= gle, ERIC, Education Abstracts, Lexis-Nexis, =0D=0A> Ebscohost, and= =0D=0A> Proque st, but turned up nothing. I also tried the database of college=0D= =0A> catalogs, but it did not offer that as one of the search criteri= a, and=0D=0A> free-text searching only pulled up the catalogs themsel= ves, not the=0D=0A> pinpointed information. Anyone have any ideas on = this or know of=0D=0A> individual colleges that don't require math?= =0D=0A> =0D=0A> ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????= ?????????=0D=0A> ???????????? ? = =0D=0A> ?=0D=0A> ? = =20 =0D=0A> ?=0D=0A> ? Denise Mo= ntgomery "Knowledge is of two =0D=0A> kinds; ?= =0D=0A> ? Valdosta State Univ Library we know a subject = =0D=0A> ourselves, ?=0D=0A> ? Valdosta, GA 31698 = or we know where we =0D=0A> can find ? =0D=0A> ? = information upon it." =0D=0A> ?= =0D=0A> ? (912) 333-5867 Dr. Samuel Johnson= , =0D=0A> Boswell's ? =0D=0A> ? (912) 333-5862 FAX = Lif e of Johnson, =0D=0A> April 15, ? =0D=0A> ? dmontgom@valdosta.ed= u =0D=0A> 1775 ?=0D=0A> ? = http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Outlet/8896/ =0D=0A> = ?=0D=0A> ? = =0D=0A> ?=0D=0A> ??????????????????????????????= ????????????????????????????????=0D=0A> ???????????? =0D=0A> = =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> = =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:33:24 -0400 From: Mario Rups <rupsm@sil.si.edu> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu, dmontgom@valdosta.edu Subj: Re: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement At least in the late 1960's / early 1970's, William and Mary in Willi= amsburg, Virginia offered a choice between math or philosophy as a re= quired course. Much may have changed since then, and some definitely= has: we certainly had no computer class requirements back then, wher= eas there appear to be some now, at least in some concentrations. Al= as, their website is unhelpful (the main requirements page has not ye= t been made available, far as I can tell), but W&M is at least a poss= ibility.=0D=0A=0D=0AA lot, of course, depends upon the young woman's major.=0D=0A=0D=0AMario Rups=0D=0Arup= sm@sil.si.edu=0D=0A=0D=0A>>> Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu= > 05/14/01 12:11PM >>>=0D=0A=0D=0AI'm asking this on behalf of a frie= nd of mine whose daughter does not do=0D=0Avery well in math as to wh= ether there are any colleges or universities=0D=0Awhich do not requir= e taking college level mathematics in order to=0D=0Agraduate. I know = Brown University doesn't, since they changed their=0D=0A ...=0D=0A= =0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:49:44 -0400 From: "Hendon, Alison" <A.Hendon@BrooklynPublicLibrary.org> To: 'Denise_Montgomery ' <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> Cc: "'stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: RE: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement This is just a brief suggestion but I used a Google search for Great books colleges. I found that Boston University, for instance, has a math OR science requirement. Some of the schools listed may be of interest. I was also thinking about St. John's University in Maryland that has a 4-year Great Books program... Alison Hendon Brooklyn Public Library I'm asking this on behalf of a friend of mine whose daughter does not do very well in math as to whether there are any colleges or universities which do not require taking college level mathematics in order to graduate. I know Brown University doesn't, since they changed their curriculum back during the 60s to reflect the less structured trends of the time, and have never changed it back, but it would be nice to have some more options available. A student shouldn't be barred from attending college simply because she can't do math, especialy if she is a liberal arts or fine arts major whose later career will have nothing to do with algegra, calculus, trig, etc. I've tried Google, ERIC, Education Abstracts, Lexis-Nexis, Ebscohost, and Proquest, but turned up nothing. I also tried the database of college catalogs, but it did not offer that as one of the search criteria, and free-text searching only pulled up the catalogs themselves, not the pinpointed information. Anyone have any ideas on this or know of individual colleges that don't require math? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?? ? ? ? ? ? Denise Montgomery "Knowledge is of two kinds; ? ? Valdosta State Univ Library we know a subject ourselves, ? ? Valdosta, GA 31698 or we know where we can find ? ? information upon it." ? ? (912) 333-5867 Dr. Samuel Johnson, Boswell's ? ? (912) 333-5862 FAX Life of Johnson, April 15, ? ? dmontgom@valdosta.edu 1775 ? ? http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Outlet/8896/ ? ? ? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?? ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:53:50 -0300 From: "Christine F. Corston" <CORSTOCF@gov.ns.ca> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?opposite of bowdlerize The patron here is my 83-year-old mother, an inveterate adder of marg= inalia and other materials, such as clippings about the author, etc.,= to books she is reading. Now she wonders if there is a verb for this= activity. If bowdlerizing is removing material deemed objectionable = =66rom published work, then is there a term for adding materials of i= nterest as described above? Tried the one thesaurus I have at hand (R= oget's II) and several online, and have found only synonyms or no ent= ry at all on bowdlerize. So ove r to the collective Womb@t Wisdom :-)=0D=0ACheers!=0D=0AChris=0D=0A= =0D=0A_________________________________=0D=0AChristine F. Corston= =0D=0ANova Scotia Advisory Council=0D=0Aon the Status of Women=0D= =0APO Box 745=0D=0AHalifax=0D=0ANS B3J 2T3=0D=0Avoice: 902.424= -5828=0D=0AFax: 902. 424-0573=0D=0Ae-mail: corstocf@gov.ns.ca= =0D=0Aweb: http://www.gov.ns.ca/staw=0D=0A___________________________= ________=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:04:11 -0400 From: Jim L <phoenixnyc@hotmail.com> To: dmontgom@valdosta.edu, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement What's your friend's daughter's field? She might want to look at a specialized school (such as a conservatory if she's a performer, or an art school if she's an artist, etc.). Many of them don't even have math classes, much less requirements. Also, many liberal arts colleges (for example, Manhattanville, which is where Maria Shriver and I went) have...well, liberal definitions of "math". If she's a social sciences devotee, she could get away with a statistics course. Jim Longo Practising Law Institute >From: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> >To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu >Subject: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement >Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:11:42 -0400 (EDT) > > >I'm asking this on behalf of a friend of mine whose daughter does not do >very well in math as to whether there are any colleges or universities >which do not require taking college level mathematics in order to >graduate. I know Brown University doesn't, since they changed their >curriculum back during the 60s to reflect the less structured trends of >the time, and have never changed it back, but it would be nice to have >some more options available. A student shouldn't be barred from attending >college simply because she can't do math, especialy if she is a liberal >arts or fine arts major whose later career will have nothing to do with >algegra, calculus, trig, etc. > >I've tried Google, ERIC, Education Abstracts, Lexis-Nexis, Ebscohost, and >Proquest, but turned up nothing. I also tried the database of college >catalogs, but it did not offer that as one of the search criteria, and >free-text searching only pulled up the catalogs themselves, not the >pinpointed information. Anyone have any ideas on this or know of >individual colleges that don't require math? > >?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > ? ? >? ? >? Denise Montgomery "Knowledge is of two kinds; ? >? Valdosta State Univ Library we know a subject ourselves, ? >? Valdosta, GA 31698 or we know where we can find ? >? information upon it." ? >? (912) 333-5867 Dr. Samuel Johnson, Boswell's ? >? (912) 333-5862 FAX Life of Johnson, April 15, ? >? dmontgom@valdosta.edu 1775 ? >? http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Outlet/8896/ ? >? ? >?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:56:05 -0700 From: "DeFato, Joan" <joan.defato@arboretum.org> To: "'Christine F. Corston'" <CORSTOCF@gov.ns.ca>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: RE: ?opposite of bowdlerize How about annotate? Joan DeFato Plant Science Library The Arboretum of Los Angeles County 301 North Baldwin Avenue Arcadia, CA 91007-2697 Phone: (626) 821-3213 Fax: (626) 445-1217 -----Original Message----- From: Christine F. Corston [mailto:CORSTOCF@gov.ns.ca] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 10:54 AM To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: ?opposite of bowdlerize The patron here is my 83-year-old mother, an inveterate adder of marginalia and other materials, such as clippings about the author, etc., to books she is reading. Now she wonders if there is a verb for this activity. If bowdlerizing is removing material deemed objectionable from published work, then is there a term for adding materials of interest as described above? ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:05:56 -0400 From: Jennifer Schrager <JSchrager@ASTD.org> To: 'Denise_Montgomery' <dmontgom@valdosta.edu>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ! RE: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement I did it! Ohio University's Honors Tutorial College is an honors college based on the tutorial system at Cambridge. Each major in HTC (it is a degree granting college, like Arts & Science, not a program) has its own specific requirements. Students in HTC do not have to complete the general requirements of the university. As a political science major in HTC, I did not have to take a math course EVER! My requirements were 1 100 level Eng. comp. (which I tested out of), a 300 level Eng. comp., completion of a foreign language through the 200 level (meaning one class at the 300 level finished off the requirement), 9 independent studies (tutorials), and my honors thesis. In addition, HTC students get graduate privileges in the library (quarter loan), schedule for classes first, & are not required to meet the prerequisites of any class to get in, as long as they have their advisors approval (short of signing up for quantum physics without a science/math background, this is a formality). It means getting all the advantages of a small college in the construct of a mid-large university. It is an AWESOME program. However, this is only the Honors College, not the university as a whole. Acceptance to the school is competitive and is done by major (so you can *not* be undecided). The school only carries 26? majors, but they are general enough majors that they cover most people and you can adjust the program to match your interests. This is the honors college home page. http://www.ohiou.edu/honors/index.html Jennifer Schrager Internet Project Specialist, ASTD jschrager@astd.org 703-683-9589 -----Original Message----- From: Denise_Montgomery [mailto:dmontgom@valdosta.edu] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:12 PM To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement I'm asking this on behalf of a friend of mine whose daughter does not do very well in math as to whether there are any colleges or universities which do not require taking college level mathematics in order to graduate. I know Brown University doesn't, since they changed their curriculum back during the 60s to reflect the less structured trends of the time, and have never changed it back, but it would be nice to have some more options available. A student shouldn't be barred from attending college simply because she can't do math, especialy if she is a liberal arts or fine arts major whose later career will have nothing to do with algegra, calculus, trig, etc. I've tried Google, ERIC, Education Abstracts, Lexis-Nexis, Ebscohost, and Proquest, but turned up nothing. I also tried the database of college catalogs, but it did not offer that as one of the search criteria, and free-text searching only pulled up the catalogs themselves, not the pinpointed information. Anyone have any ideas on this or know of individual colleges that don't require math? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ? ? ? ? Denise Montgomery "Knowledge is of two kinds; ? ? Valdosta State Univ Library we know a subject ourselves, ? ? Valdosta, GA 31698 or we know where we can find ? ? information upon it." ? ? (912) 333-5867 Dr. Samuel Johnson, Boswell's ? ? (912) 333-5862 FAX Life of Johnson, April 15, ? ? dmontgom@valdosta.edu 1775 ? ? http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Outlet/8896/ ? ? ? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:06:50 -0700 From: BLIC <bginfo@rain.org> To: "Christine F. Corston" <CORSTOCF@gov.ns.ca> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?opposite of bowdlerize Annotate? ***** Christine F. Corston wrote: If bowdlerizing is removing material deemed objectionable from published work, then is there a term for adding materials of interest as described above? ****** Chris Gallery Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:13:31 -0500 From: Kate Wolicki <Kwolicki@nileslibrary.org> To: 'Denise_Montgomery' <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> Cc: "'stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: RE: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement I graduated from the University of Wisconsin at Madison in 1998 as a Secondary Education - English major. I didn't have to take any math at all, but I did have to test into a certain math level to not have to take math. I didn't have to take any foreign languages either, which I found shocking, since I was an Ed major, but I wasn't about to complain, since I got to take costume shop and fun things like that instead. She can probably work out with her academic advisor a way to take something in place of math, or there may be a course she can take that's designed for people who aren't good in math (I think UW's was "Math for Poets" or something along those lines). Talking to a good advisor at each school is the best way I can think of to handle this. Kate Wolicki (Who, with a 1999 library degree is probably no longer the youngest person on Stumpers, but may have been for a while!) -----Original Message----- From: Denise_Montgomery [mailto:dmontgom@valdosta.edu] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:12 AM To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement whether there are any colleges or universities which do not require taking college level mathematics in order to ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:13:14 -0700 From: "Charles R. Anderson" <anderson@the-indexer.com> To: "Christine F. Corston" <CORSTOCF@gov.ns.ca>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: RE: ?opposite of bowdlerize What about annotation, or emendation? Charles R. Anderson The-Indexer.com PO Box 15642, Seattle, WA 98115-0642 5028 37th Ave.NE, Seattle, WA 98105 (non-USPS deliveries) (206) 985-8799 (voice) (206) 985-8796 (fax) Web: http://www.the-indexer.com Email: mailto://anderson@the-indexer.com -----Original Message----- From: Christine F. Corston [mailto:CORSTOCF@gov.ns.ca] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 10:54 AM To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: ?opposite of bowdlerize The patron here is my 83-year-old mother, an inveterate adder of marginalia and other materials, such as clippings about the author, etc., to books she is reading. Now she wonders if there is a verb for this activity. If bowdlerizing is removing material deemed objectionable from published work, then is there a term for adding materials of interest as described above? Tried the one thesaurus I have at hand (Roget's II) and several online, and have found only synonyms or no entry at all on bowdlerize. So ove r to the collective Womb@t Wisdom :-) Cheers! Chris _________________________________ Christine F. Corston Nova Scotia Advisory Council on the Status of Women PO Box 745 Halifax NS B3J 2T3 voice: 902.424-5828 Fax: 902. 424-0573 e-mail: corstocf@gov.ns.ca web: http://www.gov.ns.ca/staw ___________________________________ ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:48:06 -0400 From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net (Ted Nesbitt) To: CORSTOCF@gov.ns.ca Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?opposite of bowdlerize Christine -- Here's my two cents (for what it's worth, which is probably only a couple of pennies): In addition to annotate (annotator), I'd suggest the following--- glossator or glossarist -- according to Random House, a gloss is written in the margin and then ends up at the back of the book in the "glossary." explicator -- especially if what your mother writes is an explanation of what is printed on the page commentator -- if what your mother writes is her opinion of or reaction to what is printed on the page exegete -- if she is explaining in a scholarly fashion what is on the page (this word has become increasingly associated with the Bible or anything scriptural, so your mother should be a theologian or, at the very least, pious) [I once thought "exegesis" meant that it came out of the mouth of Jesus, and then I went to library science school.] Ted Nesbitt West Liberty State College, WV "Christine F. Corston" <CORSTOCF@gov.ns.ca> wrote: > > The patron here is my 83-year-old mother, an inveterate adder of marginalia and other materials, such as clippings about the author, etc., to books she is reading. Now she wonders if there is a verb for this activity. If bowdlerizing is removing material deemed objectionable from published work, then is there a term for adding materials of interest as described above? Tried the one thesaurus I have at hand (Roget's II) and several online, and have found only synonyms or no entry at all on bowdlerize. So ove > r to the collective Womb@t Wisdom :-) > Cheers! > Chris > > _________________________________ > Christine F. Corston > Nova Scotia Advisory Council > on the Status of Women > PO Box 745 > Halifax > NS      B3J  2T3 > voice:  902.424-5828 > Fax:     902. 424-0573 > e-mail: corstocf@gov.ns.ca > web: http://www.gov.ns.ca/staw > ___________________________________ > > -- Elbin Library West Liberty State College West Virginia __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:50:48 -0500 From: Dennis Lien <Dennis.K.Lien-1@tc.umn.edu> To: "Christine F. Corston" <CORSTOCF@gov.ns.ca>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: %%% Re: ?opposite of bowdlerize At 02:53 PM 5/14/01 -0300, Christine F. Corston wrote: >The patron here is my 83-year-old mother, an inveterate adder of marginalia and other materials, such as clippings about the author, etc., to books she is reading. Now she wonders if there is a verb for this activity. If bowdlerizing is removing material deemed objectionable from published work, then is there a term for adding materials of interest as described above? Tried the one thesaurus I have at hand (Roget's II) and several online, and have found only synonyms or no entry at all on bowdlerize. So ove >r to the collective Womb@t Wisdom :-) >Cheers! >Chris In the specific sense of anti-Bowdlerizing, I've seen a couple people joking use "impurgated" (as an antonym of "expurgated"). But I realize that's not of much help here, since you're not really talking about subtracting/adding "objectionable" material per se. (A couple of porno publishers, notably Calga Publications, used to take classic works of fiction which were out of copyright, insert allegedly "previously suppressed" sex scenes, and publish the result as, say, THE ADULT VERSION OF FRANKENSTEIN or THE ADULT VERSION OF THE SEA WOLF (to list a couple findable on WorldCat). This not only saved their hacks the task of producing an entire book-length manuscript, it also gave them an easy out on the "redeeming social or literary qualities" or whatever the cliche used to be.) In the sense of your mother's activity, this sounds like a print media version of the DVD industry's expectation that a DVD version of an old movie will have all sorts of "extras" added (trailers, blooper reels, rejected variant bits, "behind the scenes" info, interviews with the actors, etc.) Is there a standard name for this activity in the context of DVDs? Maybe just "enhancing"? Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu (who doesn't have a DVD player, and hates the whole idea of such extras in those cases anyway--it's hard enough to force myself to set through an entire movie, even one I like, when so many thousand unread books beckon: why would I want to add to my filmic burden?) ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:53:35 -0400 From: Robin Carroll-Mann <rmann@njpublib.org> To: "Christine F. Corston" <CORSTOCF@gov.ns.ca> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?opposite of bowdlerize "Christine F. Corston" wrote: > > The patron here is my 83-year-old mother, an inveterate adder of marginalia and other materials, such as > clippings about the author, etc., to books she is reading. Now she wonders if there is a verb for this > activity. There is a recent book on this subject, entitled _Marginalia: Readers Writing in Books_. The reviews of the book seem to use the verb "annotate" to describe this activity. A look at this book might be illuminating, and your mother might in any case enjoy reading it. -- Robin Carroll-Mann Summit Free Public Library, Summit, New Jersey, USA rmann@infolink.org *** fax: 908-273-2809 "I'd best head for the library. Research beckons." -- Rupert Giles ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:17:26 -0500 (CDT) From: C V <cvj@metronet.com> To: Jim L <phoenixnyc@hotmail.com> Cc: dmontgom@valdosta.edu, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement Well, can't speak for many other "specialized" schools, but good luck in a school in which music is featured. It's rather difficult to advance in the study of music without a rather large foundation in math. Music is more than a little based on math. Art (as in drawing) has a great deal of math involved, also, as does dance. My advice would be to quit whining, get a tutor, and suck it up. FWIW, I'm nearly a dunce in math, and I had to be hand held through every class in music theory and music physics, but one can't get through even the first year without it. It's very good for character. Connie On Mon, 14 May 2001, Jim L wrote: > What's your friend's daughter's field? She might want to look at a > specialized school (such as a conservatory if she's a performer, or an art > school if she's an artist, etc.). Many of them don't even have math > classes, much less requirements. > > Also, many liberal arts colleges (for example, Manhattanville, which is > where Maria Shriver and I went) have...well, liberal definitions of "math". > If she's a social sciences devotee, she could get away with a statistics > course. > Jim Longo > Practising Law Institute > > >From: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> > >To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu > >Subject: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement > >Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:11:42 -0400 (EDT) > > > >I'm asking this on behalf of a friend of mine whose daughter does not do > >very well in math as to whether there are any colleges or universities > >which do not require taking college level mathematics in order to > >graduate. I know Brown University doesn't, since they changed their > >curriculum back during the 60s to reflect the less structured trends of > >the time, and have never changed it back, but it would be nice to have > >some more options available. A student shouldn't be barred from attending > >college simply because she can't do math, especialy if she is a liberal > >arts or fine arts major whose later career will have nothing to do with > >algegra, calculus, trig, etc. > > > >I've tried Google, ERIC, Education Abstracts, Lexis-Nexis, Ebscohost, and > >Proquest, but turned up nothing. I also tried the database of college > >catalogs, but it did not offer that as one of the search criteria, and > >free-text searching only pulled up the catalogs themselves, not the > >pinpointed information. Anyone have any ideas on this or know of > >individual colleges that don't require math? ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:19:16 -0300 From: "Christine F. Corston" <CORSTOCF@gov.ns.ca> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: *Thanks opposite of bowdlerize Thanks so much for the swift responses from Joan DeFato, Chris Galler= y, Charles Anderson, Ted Nesbitt, John Dyson, Dennis Lien, Robin Carr= oll-Mann, and any others who may be "in the pipe" as I send this . I'= ll be passing all your suggestions on to my mother, who will doubtles= s make a note of them and stick it into one of her books ;-) And by t= he way, she is a huge Stumpers fan, based on second-hand accounts fro= m me, since she neither owns nor desires to own a computer, but also= based on the fact that regul ar w'bat Daria Phair once faxed me the words and music to an extremel= y obscure song that my dad used to sing 50 or more years back.=0D= =0ACheers!=0D=0AChris=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:05:27 -0500 (EST) From: "John P. Dyson" <dyson@indiana.edu> To: "Christine F. Corston" <CORSTOCF@gov.ns.ca> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ?opposite of bowdlerize On Mon, 14 May 2001, Christine F. Corston wrote: > The patron here is my 83-year-old mother, an inveterate adder of > marginalia and other materials, such as clippings about the author, > etc., to books she is reading. Now she wonders if there is a verb for > this activity. If bowdlerizing is removing material deemed objectionable > from published work, then is there a term for adding materials of > interest as described above? Tried the one thesaurus I have at hand > (Roget's II) and several online, and have found only synonyms or no > entry at all on bowdlerize. So over to the collective Womb@t Wisdom :-) Your mother appears to be a supplementer, Chris. At an earlier time, she may even have been a supplementrix. John Dyson Spanish and Portuguese Indiana University ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:24:17 -0500 From: lhartman@wakarusa.lib.in.us (Linda Hartman) To: Stumpers listserve <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: <no subject> unsubscribe ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:52:06 -0400 From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net (Ted Nesbitt) To: sharpears32@hotmail.com Cc: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: ""In the first place"" Robert: I am a grammarian and a volunteer in the grammar and writing area of allexperts.com, where I frequently encounter your question. In addition to the comments you have already received (and John Dyson was very perceptive in his analysis of your switching topics right after you name your "first place"), I'd like to expand on the trite aspect of the phrase "in the first place." My high school English teacher (11th grade) would interrupt (or write on our papers) after we used "In the first place," "lived Adam and Eve." When we started off with "On the other hand," she chimed in with "there was a wart." At one time, these transitional phrases may have been unique and charming, but after decades (perhaps centuries) of use, they should be interred in the Cemetery of Worn Out Idioms. Now, we must discourage people, especially politicians, from beginning their sentences with "The fact of the matter is . . . ." When they commit this atrocity, the "meaty part" of their sentence, which should be the subject, will be relegated to what follows "is" -- a dependent clause, invariably beginning with that wonderfully powerful word "that." And, since they are politicians, we are already assured that what they are saying is not FACT, and neither does it MATTER. Ted Nesbitt West Liberty State College, WV "Robert T. Jones" <sharpears32@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Will some grammarians out there please explain the correct usage of the > phrase (idiom?) "In the first place..."  I recently wrote in a piece about > criticism, "Critics tend to overstate things. In the first place, you > shouldn't trust critics anyway." I was castigated for writing this, and it > does seem wrong, but I can't figure out WHY. Can somebody please help? > > > -- Elbin Library West Liberty State College West Virginia __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:59:52 -0400 From: Hilary Caws-Elwitt <sctylibrary@stny.rr.com> To: stumpers <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: ? Steps of army induction in 1973 Hi W0mb@ts, Patron needs to know what procedures were in place in 1973 for induction into the army--physical etc, but details of exactly what the sequence of steps was. I've checked what print resources we have that seem relevant, tried the archives but the server is not responding, and did some web searching, but feel like I'm floundering on this one. Any help would be great! Thanks, -- Hilary Caws-Elwitt, Public Services Librarian -- sctylibrary@stny.rr.com Susquehanna County Library, 2 Monument Sq, Montrose PA 18801 -- 570-278-1881 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:54:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Fred Shapiro <fred.shapiro@yale.edu> To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ? Table of Contents Data I am not sure that this is a question that people on this list will be likely to be knowledgeable about, but let me try. Some libraries purchase "table of contents" data, for books added to their collection, from Blackwell North America. Does anyone know if it is possible through some avenue to search the full database of Blackwell North America table of contents information, regardless of whether a particular library holds the books covered? Fred Shapiro -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fred R. Shapiro Editor Associate Librarian for Public Services YALE DICTIONARY OF QUOTATIONS and Lecturer in Legal Research Yale University Press, Yale Law School forthcoming e-mail: fred.shapiro@yale.edu http://quotationdictionary.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:06:50 -0400 From: Jim L <phoenixnyc@hotmail.com> To: cvj@metronet.com Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement Very true....but when I was doing my B.Mus., none of the music theory courses I took counted toward my math requirement--I still had to do a semester of calc and a semester of statistics to get through. j. >From: C V <cvj@metronet.com> >To: Jim L <phoenixnyc@hotmail.com> >CC: dmontgom@valdosta.edu, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu >Subject: Re: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement >Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:17:26 -0500 (CDT) > >Well, can't speak for many other "specialized" schools, but good luck in a >school in which music is featured. It's rather difficult to advance in >the study of music without a rather large foundation in math. Music is >more than a little based on math. Art (as in drawing) has a great deal of >math involved, also, as does dance. My advice would be to quit whining, >get a tutor, and suck it up. FWIW, I'm nearly a dunce in math, and I had >to be hand held through every class in music theory and music physics, but >one can't get through even the first year without it. It's very good for >character. Connie > >On Mon, 14 May 2001, Jim L wrote: > > What's your friend's daughter's field? She might want to look at a > > specialized school (such as a conservatory if she's a performer, or an >art > > school if she's an artist, etc.). Many of them don't even have math > > classes, much less requirements. > > > > Also, many liberal arts colleges (for example, Manhattanville, which is > > where Maria Shriver and I went) have...well, liberal definitions of >"math". > > If she's a social sciences devotee, she could get away with a statistics > > course. > > Jim Longo > > Practising Law Institute > > > > >From: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> > > >To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu > > >Subject: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement > > >Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:11:42 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > >I'm asking this on behalf of a friend of mine whose daughter does not >do > > >very well in math as to whether there are any colleges or universities > > >which do not require taking college level mathematics in order to > > >graduate. I know Brown University doesn't, since they changed their > > >curriculum back during the 60s to reflect the less structured trends of > > >the time, and have never changed it back, but it would be nice to have > > >some more options available. A student shouldn't be barred from >attending > > >college simply because she can't do math, especialy if she is a liberal > > >arts or fine arts major whose later career will have nothing to do with > > >algegra, calculus, trig, etc. > > > > > >I've tried Google, ERIC, Education Abstracts, Lexis-Nexis, Ebscohost, >and > > >Proquest, but turned up nothing. I also tried the database of college > > >catalogs, but it did not offer that as one of the search criteria, and > > >free-text searching only pulled up the catalogs themselves, not the > > >pinpointed information. Anyone have any ideas on this or know of > > >individual colleges that don't require math? > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:57:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Monica Ollendorff <mollendo@westga.edu> To: STUMPERS <STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: re: A.D. and B.C. Paul, There is another abbreviation to look at, B.C.E. This is used by Jews (and others). It stands for "Before the Common Era". There are those who prefer C.E. and B.C.E. instead of A.D. and B.C. A GOOGLE search on "Before the Common Era" brought up a number of sites with information. Perhaps one of these will help. http://www.linguistlist.org/~ask-ling/archive-1997.10/msg00800.html http://www.radix.net/~dglenn/defs/ce.html Monica A. Ollendorff Instruction Librarian State University of West Georgia Carrollton, GA 30118 "The real purpose of books phone (770) 830-2358 is to trap the mind e-mail: mollendo@westga.edu into doing its own thinking." fax: 770-836-6626 Christopher Morley http://www.westga.edu/~mollendo ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:18:17 -0700 From: Kathleen Veldhuisen <kathleen@exchange.chemeketa.edu> To: "'STUMPERS-L@CUIS.EDU'" <STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu> Cc: "'CORSTOCF@gov.ns.ca'" <CORSTOCF@gov.ns.ca> Subj: RE: ! Opposite of bowdlerize There is indeed a word for adding supplementary material to books. It is "grangerize." Technically, it refers only to illustrative material added from other sources. "Christine F. Corston" wrote: > > The patron here is my 83-year-old mother, an inveterate adder of marginalia and other materials, such as > clippings about the author, etc., to books she is reading. Now she wonders if there is a verb for this > activity. ---------------------------------------- Kathleen Veldhuisen, Reference Librarian Chemeketa Community College Library 4000 Lancaster Drive NE, Salem, OR 97309 503-399-5203 kathleen@chemeketa.edu ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:48:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Grippando <grippand@sls.lib.il.us> To: stumpers <STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Tim Fisher/Nature tours My patron is looking for contact information for Tim(othy H.) Fisher and his company Philippine Nature Tours located in the Philippines. TF writes on birds in the Philippines and leads/organizes tours for birders. The patron does not want to deal with American affiliates. We checked the Web (lots of TF bird books but no company) and called the Philippine consulate who told us that he is not in the Manila phone book but that they will look into it. Can Stumpers beat the Philippine consulate in Chicago? Pauline Grippando River Forest Public Library fax: (708) 366-8699 ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:05:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Lois Fundis <fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us> To: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement At 12:11 PM 05/14/2001 -0400, Denise_Montgomery wrote: > >I'm asking this on behalf of a friend of mine whose daughter does not do >very well in math as to whether there are any colleges or universities >which do not require taking college level mathematics in order to >graduate. I know Brown University doesn't, since they changed their >curriculum back during the 60s to reflect the less structured trends of >the time, and have never changed it back, but it would be nice to have >some more options available. A student shouldn't be barred from attending >college simply because she can't do math, especialy if she is a liberal >arts or fine arts major whose later career will have nothing to do with >algegra, calculus, trig, etc. You may need to look on a college-by-college and even a major-by-major level. A lot of college catalogs, and now web sites, list required courses for each major. As other people have mentioned, math can be important even in some fields that you might not think of. You mention arts and others have mentioned music, but there's also architecture. And nowadays with so many people changing fields, a good math background may be needed in a field you want to switch to later. Business, for example -- a lot of bookkeeping and accounting involved there. Or computer science. (I once had a reference question from a woman who wanted to know why, when her daughter applied for a job at a bank, the bank asked the daughter if she knew algebra. The mother couldn't understand why algebra might be important in working in a bank. I tried to explain that it might prove to the bank that the daughter was good at math but the mom didn't see what algebra had to do with it.) There's an article at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010514/hl/memory.html about math anxiety and how it afflicts many college students. It says that in one study, the greatest levels of math anxiety was in elementary-education majors. (Which leads me to wonder how many people "catch" math anxiety from math-anxious teachers!) That said, my alma mater, the University of Pittsburgh, had what was called in my day "Distribution of Studies" which meant that you had to take so many credits in Humanities, so many in Social Sciences, and so many in Natural Sciences. (Not to mention the Phys. Ed. classes, 2, one of which had to be swimming.) Unless your program specifically required courses, you could choose which ones to take. The sciences included math but also biology, physics, etc. I *did* take a math course, trigonometry, for part of my DOS requirement -- and I took it specifically *because* I had had trig in high school, but hadn't really understood it, and it annoyed me that I hadn't. I understood it better after the college course, and so put behind me some of the math anxiety that had resulted, but not well enough to progress to calculus; and although I haven't really needed calculus I've always felt that not having it is a weakness in my intellectual background. I'm not quite sure how it works these days at Pitt though, and I can't find it on their web site at the moment. * * * * Lois Aleta Fundis, Reference ^~~~~^ and Gov't. Documents Librarian Mary H. Weir Public Library, (O) (O) Weirton, WV 26062 fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us . \/ . 304-797-8510 (fax -8526) "Carpe librum!" ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:14:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Barbara Bussart <barbarbt@lori.state.ri.us> To: Grippando <grippand@sls.lib.il.us> Cc: stumpers <STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: Tim Fisher/Nature tours Hi, Pauline If you check http://www.philngo.com/haribon1.htm, you;ll find that Timothy H. Fisher is on the board of the Haribon Foundation, and there is contact info for them. Maybe your patron can contact him this way? Barbara J. Bussart Chief Information and Adult Services Librarian Woonsocket Harris Public Library 303 Clinton St. Woonsocket, RI 02895 (401) 767-4123 Fax : 401-767-4140 http://www.ultranet.com/~whpl ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ To listen is an effort, and just to hear is no merit. A duck hears also. Igor Stravinsky ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ On Mon, 14 May 2001, Grippando wrote: > My patron is looking for contact information for Tim(othy H.) Fisher and > his company Philippine Nature Tours located in the Philippines. TF > writes on birds in the Philippines and leads/organizes tours for > birders. The patron does not want to deal with American affiliates. > > We checked the Web (lots of TF bird books but no company) and called the > Philippine consulate who told us that he is not in the Manila phone book > but that they will look into it. Can Stumpers beat the Philippine > consulate in Chicago? > > Pauline Grippando > River Forest Public Library > fax: (708) 366-8699 > ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:24:56 -0500 From: Dennis Lien <Dennis.K.Lien-1@tc.umn.edu> To: Fred Shapiro <fred.shapiro@yale.edu>, stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu Subj: % Table of Contents Data At 04:54 PM 5/14/01 -0400, Fred Shapiro wrote: > >I am not sure that this is a question that people on this list will be >likely to be knowledgeable about, but let me try. Some libraries purchase >"table of contents" data, for books added to their collection, from >Blackwell North America. Does anyone know if it is possible through some >avenue to search the full database of Blackwell North America table of >contents information, regardless of whether a particular library holds the >books covered? > >Fred Shapiro Well, it used to be..."Blackwell's Table of Contents" database was available from RLG (RLIN; Eureka) for several years and I used it many times. A few months ago it went away: From RLG Focus 47, December 2000 Access to Blackwell's Table of Contents Ends As previously announced, in e-mail to RLG's members and users and in a memo sent with October invoices, access to the Blackwell's Table of Contents database through RLG will cease as of January 1, 2001. Search interfaces and our informational Web pages are being updated to reflect this database withdrawal. RLG did not charge users for access to the Table of Contents database, but offered it as essentially a free good. Unfortunately, Blackwell's need to increase the price substantially meant that this arrangement was no longer feasible. Blackwell's Upgraded LC-CIP records will continue to go into the RLG union catalog without interruption, under the Library Identifier XBCP. Please share this information with others in your organization whose searching may be affected. Questions can be directed to Sue.Marsh@notes.rlg.org. Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:57:06 -0500 From: Stumpers-l@highlands.com (David Harris) Sender: David_Harris@highlands.com (David Harris) To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement Since Goddard College (Plainfield, VT) doesn't offer courses, I don't see how it could require any math courses. (Yes, it's accredited: it's a self-directed program of study.) dmh ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:32:21 -0500 From: "ALD (LIB)" <ALD@omaha.lib.ne.us> To: "'stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: ?Chilean musical group This stumper comes by way of a very persistent patron who has spoken with numerous librarians throughout the system and various departments at the Main Library. So far, no one has been able to provide the information she is seeking. In the 1950s and 1960s there was a Chilean musical group that played around Santiago, Chile known as Los Chicanos. They did a general South American revue of music, went on world tour, and recorded music. They may also have recorded some CDs in later years. The patron wishes to contact anyone in the group, because she visited with them when they performed in Omaha, NE years ago. The performers would probably be in their sixties now. The names of the family in the group were: Bebe Dapena, Lupe Dapena, Pepe Dapena, and Sene Dapena. The leader of the group may have been Chico Martinez. The distributor of their recorded music was Orefor. As always, any and all assistance is greatly appreciated! TIA! Sherry Forrest Arts & Literature Dept. Omaha Public Library (NE) ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:08:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Neal <carolyn@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us> To: stumpers list <stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: !Thanks--Daily Journal of Commerce Thanks to Tony Greiner in Tigard, Oregon for faxing the Daily Journal of Commerce blurb. The patron now thinks I'm terrific when the truth is that I just have access to terrific people. :) Carolyn Neal Phone 360-405-9117 Kitsap Regional Library Fax 360-405-9128 1301 Sylvan Way Bremerton, WA 98310 carolyn@krl.org ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:24:48 -0400 (EDT) From: LILongJr@aol.com To: maralinn@visto.com, stumpers-l@cuis.edu Cc: jonesrt@bellsouth.net Subj: Re: ""In the first place"" --Boundary_(ID_zStUgshoCUOgkvhr1EV8hg) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 5/14/2001 7:21:28 AM US Mountain Standard Time, maralinn@visto.com writes: > I suspec that the person who castigated you thought that having both "in the > first place" and "anyway" is redundant. Personally, I would have cut one or > While that is certainly a possibility (and I MISSED it!), it is not true to the modern version of Modern English. 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Now she wonders if there is a verb for this activity. If > bowdlerizing is removing material deemed objectionable from published work, > then is there a term for adding materials of interest as described above? > Tried the one thesaurus I have at hand (Roget's II) and several online, and > have found only synonyms or no entry at all on bowdlerize. So ove > Restore (to the author's original vision)? 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Hello, a patron is trying to find what this item is and the history behind the "polycrystalline diamond" which he believes is a manmade substance. He's been unable to find it in a dictionary and encyclopedia and I've looked at both our dated mineral dictionaries and reference books as well as online ones. I've also looked under technology and the patent database at least appears (before the patron had to get to class) to other patents but not the actual "substance." Any clues? Norman ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:20:29 -0500 From: cci <cci@nlci.com> To: z STUMPERS LIST <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Need song: ""You're My World."" The song is "You're My World", (Bindi & Sigman composers) Need full printed version versus Fake version. Thank you VERY much. Here is the Chorus: You're my world You are my night My day You're my world You're every breath I take If our love ceases to be Then it's the end of my world for me John Seonac Music Reference West Lafayette PL Fx: 765 463 5695 cci@nlci.com ================================================================================ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:08:39 -0400 From: ibbetson <isserlis@home.com> To: Norman Buchwald <nbuchwald@clpccd.cc.ca.us> Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: %%%Re: What is a polycrystalline diamond? At 06:43 PM 5/14/2001 -0700, Norman Buchwald wrote: >Hello, a patron is trying to find what this item is and the history >behind the "polycrystalline diamond" which he believes is a manmade >substance. He's been unable to find it in a dictionary and encyclopedia >and I've looked at both our dated mineral dictionaries and reference >books as well as online ones. I've also looked under technology and the >patent database at least appears (before the patron had to get to class) >to other patents but not the actual "substance." Any clues? A normal diamond is a single crystal. I don't know about diamonds, but sometimes crystals grow into each other and this may be what has happened. Such a structure is either valuable because of its rarity or of low value because it doesn't refract light as well as a pure diamond. An auction house or jewellery appraiser should be able to tell you whether I'm talking nonsense. David ib ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:01:58 -0500 From: Daphne Drewello <drewello@daktel.com> To: Norman Buchwald <nbuchwald@clpccd.cc.ca.us>, STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: What is a polycrystalline diamond? Norman Buchwald wrote > Hello, a patron is trying to find what this item is and the history > behind the "polycrystalline diamond" which he believes is a manmade > substance. These sites might help. There are many others. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/diamond/sky.html (especially the third paragraph) http://www.uni-greifswald.de/~geo/foley/engl/p-diamond-e.html (pictures) There seem to be natural as well as synthetic ones. Daphne Drewello Alfred Dickey Library Jamestown, ND ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:39:03 +0000 (GMT0BST) From: Adrian Smith <lib6as@library.novell.leeds.ac.uk> To: MILLISK@DEPAUW.EDU Cc: STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu Subj: (Fwd) re: ? Need advice on Biology Reference Works - ELS is Launched <biology sourcebook online> ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Nature Publishing Group is proud to announce the much anticipated launch of the Encyclopedia of Life Sciences. 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Specifically, is it a fair use to scan a copyrighted image from a book or other published source and incorporate it in a presentation (with credit, of course)? Is comparable to, for instance, photocopying a "Dilbert" cartoon onto a transparency and using it on an overhead projector to illustrate a point during a presentation? Same question for an image that is in the public domain, but for which the source most available to you is a copyrighted work (for instance, a reproduction of an engraving depicting a historical event, which is used in several books on the subject). Thanks, Ross A. Holt Head of Reference Randolph County Public Library 201 Worth Street Asheboro, NC 336-318-6806 fax 336-318-6823 Vice-President/President-Elect North Carolina Library Association 4646 Mail Service Center Raleigh, NC 27699-4646 The views expressed in this e-mail do not necessarily reflect the views of my organization. ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:11:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles J Cody <ccody@gcfn.org> To: "ALD (LIB)" <ALD@omaha.lib.ne.us> Cc: "'stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu'" <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: ?Chilean musical group There is an entry on a group by that name at http://www.allmusic.com I don't know if it's the same group. Chuck Cody Columbus Metro. Library On Mon, 14 May 2001, ALD (LIB) wrote: > This stumper comes by way of a very persistent patron who has spoken with > numerous librarians throughout the system and various departments at the > Main Library. So far, no one has been able to provide the information she > is seeking. > > In the 1950s and 1960s there was a Chilean musical group that played around > Santiago, Chile known as Los Chicanos. They did a general South American > revue of music, went on world tour, and recorded music. They may also have > recorded some CDs in later years. The patron wishes to contact anyone in > the group, because she visited with them when they performed in Omaha, NE > years ago. The performers would probably be in their sixties now. The > names of the family in the group were: Bebe Dapena, Lupe Dapena, Pepe > Dapena, and Sene Dapena. The leader of the group may have been Chico > Martinez. The distributor of their recorded music was Orefor. > > As always, any and all assistance is greatly appreciated! TIA! > > > Sherry Forrest > Arts & Literature Dept. > Omaha Public Library (NE) ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:35:39 -0400 From: Robert L Hadden <rhadden@usgs.gov> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu, Norman Buchwald <nbuchwald@clpccd.cc.ca.us> Subj: Re: What is a polycrystalline diamond? =0D=0A "polycrystal" is defined in the Glossary of Geology as: "A= n assemblage=0D=0Aof crystal grains of a mineral, of an unspecified n= umber, shape, size,=0D=0Aorientation, or bonding, that together form = a solid body. "=0D=0A As such, the term can be used in different = ways while speaking of=0D=0Adiamonds. (Dare I say "In the first place= ?"), it can refer to inclusions in=0D=0Athe diamond of other minerals= . Many times these inclusions in diamonds are=0D=0Aseen as flaws, and= are removed in cleaving, cutting, sawing or polishing=0D=0At he diamond. Other times, the inclusions are retained. The "Pink Panth= er"=0D=0Adiamond of movie fame was fictional, but shows how a flaw, i= n this case=0D=0Aappearing to have the image of a leaping panther, is= retained and gives=0D=0Aadded value to a gem, not to mention a monik= er.=0D=0A The most common usage refers to microscopic diamonds wi= thin an=0D=0Aimpacted matrix. Some meteors are good examples of this = process, where=0D=0Aimpacts caused diamonds to be formed, that themse= lves become=0D=0A"polycrystalline" inside the matrix.=0D=0A =20 "Twinned" or "twining" diamonds are crystals that develop that hav= e=0D=0Athe appearance of two or more crystals, in contact or "interpe= netrating",=0D=0Athat are identical or mirror images of each other.= =0D=0A In the field of crystallography, the term "polycrystalline= " has=0D=0Aprecise usage. Outside the field, the term can be used, ei= ther correctly=0D=0Aand wrongly, consciously or unconsciously, to hel= p sell diamonds and other=0D=0Amaterials. Not knowing how the term is= used with your patron can mean that=0D=0Athe term was used either incorrectly or not.=0D=0A Most geological databases have = a great deal of information on=0D=0Apolycrystalline diamonds. GeoRef = has an easy sixty or so references dating=0D=0Aback to the 1960's, an= d NTIS has over a hundred.=0D=0A=0D=0A This term "polycrystalline= diamond" may also be applied to the=0D=0Amanufacture of diamonds as = well. Dr. Henri Moissan demonstrated the methods=0D=0Ain which meteor= ic diamonds are formed almost a hundred years ago.=0D=0A Moissani= te was named by Dr. George F. Kunz in honor of his good frien d=0D=0Aand colleague, Professor Henri Moissan. Dr. Moissan first sepa= rated the=0D=0Aelement fluorine, and also did significant work on the= Canyon Diablo=0D=0Ameteorite. For his many accomplishments in chemis= try, he was awarded the=0D=0ANobel Prize in 1907, shortly before his = death.=0D=0A "...Moissan produced diamonds of those compara= ble to those found=0D=0A in meteorites by placing finely divi= ded carbon in a cylinder under=0D=0A great pressure and subjecti= ng it to greater pressure by heating it in=0D=0A a bath=20 of molten iron within an electric furnace, then suddenly=0D= =0A cooling it by plunging it into a crucible of molten l= ead. This=0D=0A treatment quickly formed a solid crust of met= al within the cooling=0D=0A iron (which like water expands u= pon freezing) was forced to exert=0D=0A tremendous pressure on = the enclosed carbon. When the mass was=0D=0A dissolved, s= mall diamonds were found in the residue, some of which=0D=0A m= easured up to a 0.5 millimeter." H. H. Nininger. Out of the Sky: An=0D=0A Introduction to Meteoritics. New York: Dover = Publications. 1952. Page=0D=0A 122.=0D=0A=0D=0A I hope this e= xplanation helps.=0D=0A=0D=0ALee Hadden=0D=0A=0D=0A******************= ******=0D=0AR. Lee Hadden,=0D=0AReference Librarian=0D=0AUS Geologica= l Survey=0D=0AMail Stop 950, National Center=0D=0AReston, VA 20192= =0D=0ATEL: (703) 648-6088=0D=0AFAX: (703) 648-6373=0D=0Arhadden@usgs.= gov=0D=0Ahttp://www.usgs.gov/library=0D=0A*************************= =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A = =0D=0A=20 Norman Buchwald = =0D=0A <nbuchwald@clpccd = To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu =0D=0A = .cc.ca.us> cc: = =0D=0A = Subject: What is a polycrystalline diamond? =0D=0A = 05/14/2001 09:43 = =0D=0A PM =20 = =0D=0A = =0D=0A = =0D= =0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AHello, a patron is trying to find what this item= is and the history=0D=0Abehind the "polycrystalline diamond" which h= e believes is a manmade=0D=0Asubstance. He's been unable to find it = in a dictionary and encyclopedia=0D=0Aand I've looked at both our dat ed mineral dictionaries and reference=0D=0Abooks as well as online on= es. I've also looked under technology and the=0D=0Apatent database a= t least appears (before the patron had to get to class)=0D=0Ato other= patents but not the actual "substance." Any clues?=0D=0A=0D=0ANorma= n=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:41:53 -0400 From: Jackie Skinner <jskinner@northland.lib.mi.us> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: ?Short story: Mrs. Brown goes to Opera Hello! I have a patron who is looking for the short story, "Mrs. Brown goes to the Opera." I have searched with WorldCat and 4 different search engines and all my reference resources, but I have been unable to find any mention of this short story. Is anyone out there familiar with this short story? TIA Jackie -- ********************************************************** Jackie Skinner (517) 732-5841 Public Services Librarian (517) 732-9401 (FAX) Otsego County Library jskinner@northland.lib.mi.us 700 South Otsego Avenue http://www.otsego.lib.mi.us Gaylord, Michigan 49735 *********************************************************** ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:38:51 -0500 From: Zach Merchant <zmerchan@Connect.bedlib.org> To: Stumpers <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: war stories/divine intervention Hi all. I had a reference question passed to me from my boss, and I'm really stuck. The patron needs war stories that deal with divine intervention. One example I was given was that of an american soldier in WWII who had 150 Japanese troops surrender to him because they could not fight his reinforcements in white robes (angels). The other story was something to the effect of the Israelis being out of ammunition and surrounded by Palestinians so Israeli commander told his troops to pray. The Palestinians then surrendered after seeing the Israeli "reinforcements" (again, angels). Does anyone know where I can get more stories like this? I've searched the web some with poor results. Any help or suggestions at all would be appreciated. Thank you. Zach Merchant "The only reason we're 7-0 is because we've won all seven of our games." -- David Garcia, baseball team manager ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:55:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Kathy Heil <heil@cbl.umces.edu> To: stumpers <STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: ?MRID I have a student come in asking for the definition of MRID No. We found lots of uses of it, but no definition. It is in a lot of EPA documents on toxicity. The document she had in hand cited Mayer (1968) We found a document by Mayer, that looks like the right document, however, it isn't defined there either. __ 0 o \ 0 )___\ /^\/^\\ o 0 o \0 )____\__________/_\_//\ /\/ \_______________ \ o __________ )--- Kathleen Heil .:.:...:.__- O \ \o l CATCH ] )------ U. of Md., C.E.S - ( / ( . \| l answers l )--- - Chesapeake Biol.Lab (_/ ( ( :----/J l & reel l )----- Solomons, Md__20688-0038__(__(_______/ l__'m in__l )----/ (410)326-7287_____ ----- ( ) ____l l_____ )---/ Aquatic Sciences () Librarian III l ____ l )---/ E-mail: heil@cbl.umces.edu (410)326-7430(fax) l____________l ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:10:34 -0400 From: "J. Shore" <shorej@thpl.org> To: Kathy Heil <heil@cbl.umces.edu> Cc: stumpers <STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: Re: !MRID Kathy Heil wrote: > > I have a student come in asking for the definition of MRID No. > We found lots of uses of it, but no definition. It is a made up number to identify a study submitted to the EPA. From http://www.ceris.purdue.edu/info/bluebook/glossary.txt : MRID NUMBER - The Master Record Identification (MRID) Number is a unique cataloging number assigned to an individual study at the time of submission to the Agency. It is EPA's system of tracking studies used in support of pesticide product registration. Information on how the EPA assigns the number should be in PR Notice 86-5 (http://www.epa.gov/PR_Notices/pr86-5.html) J. -- Mr. J. Shore Serials Librarian / Cataloger Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library shorej@thpl.org ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:26:36 -0400 (EDT) From: SpinDoc10@aol.com To: zmerchan@connect.bedlib.org, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: % Re: war stories/divine intervention There are many examples in world history of alleged divine intervention in warfare. Since other wombats will likely want to feed you, I'll provide only one example; In the third century A.D., Diocletian divided the Roman empire into East and West, leaving his successors to vie for dominance. After the death of Constantinius I, the chief ruler in the West, his son Constantine took command of the army and invaded Italy in an effort to claim his rightful title. As Constantine prepared in A.D. 312 to face his foe Maxentius at the Milvian Bridge, he saw a vision of a flaming cross emblazoned against the sky. Constantine's victory in battle at the Milvian Bridge convinced him that the cross symbolized the truth and power of Christianity. Soon after seeing the monogram in the sky, he captured Rome and made himself emperor. Though not yet a full convert to Christianity, Constantine became a generous patron of the Christian church. In the year 313 he and the ruler of the Eastern Empire reached an agreement later called the Edict of Milan, pronouncing freedom of worship for all religions. He declared Sunday a day of rest, restored the churches, and gave them permission to acquire property. He exempted Christians from participating in pagan sacrifices. On his deathbed Constantine accepted the rite of baptism, making Christianity in effect the religion of the empire. 2:197 My source for the brief passage above was various references to Constantine in 400 pages of personal notes I've taken as I work toward writing a brief history of Judaism and Christianity. ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:37:17 -0700 From: BLIC <bginfo@rain.org> To: Zach Merchant <zmerchan@Connect.bedlib.org> Cc: Stumpers <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: war stories/divine intervention How about Joan of Arc? She saw visions and heard voices of an angel which guided her to successful campaigns. ********************* The patron needs war stories that deal with divine intervention. ********************* --Chris Gallery Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:33:22 -0500 From: Zach Merchant <zmerchan@Connect.bedlib.org> To: Stumpers <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: Heroes quote A patron is looking for the exact wording of a quote. He thinks it's something along these lines: "Heroes are not extraordinary people who do extraordinary things, they are ordinary people doing what they ought to be doing." I've looked with no luck in Bartlett's, Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, and a few web sites. Thanks. Zach Merchant "Caution: Cape does not enable user to fly." -- Batman Costume warning label ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:53:31 -0500 From: cci <cci@nlci.com> To: z STUMPERS LIST <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu>, BLIC <bginfo@rain.org> Subj: Re: !!Need song: ""You're My World."" Judy Ewbank has generously agreed to fax it. Thanks, Chris. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "BLIC" <bginfo@rain.org> To: "cci" <cci@nlci.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:44 AM Subject: Re: Need song: "You're My World." > John: > Have you tried Chappell Music? They had/have US rights, according to the > fake book page. (We have only fake book.) > > Chris Gallery > > cci wrote: > > > > The song is "You're My World", (Bindi & Sigman composers) > > Need full printed version versus Fake version. > > > > Thank you VERY much. > > > > Here is the Chorus: > > > > You're my world > > You are my night > > My day > > You're my world > > You're every breath I take > > If our love ceases to be > > Then it's the end of my world for me > > > > John Seonac > > Music Reference West Lafayette PL > > Fx: 765 463 5695 > > cci@nlci.com > > -- > Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System > c/o Santa Barbara Public Library > P.O. Box 1019 > Santa Barbara, CA 93102 > Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org > ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:55:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Lois Fundis <fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us> To: SpinDoc10@aol.com Cc: zmerchan@connect.bedlib.org, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: % Re: war stories/divine intervention At 12:26 PM 05/15/2001 -0400, SpinDoc10@aol.com wrote: > There are many examples in world history of alleged divine intervention >in warfare. Well, if you're willing to go to Classical sources, why not the Iliad, in which the various Olympian gods took sides, and even participated in the fighting. (Aphrodite should have stuck to love, not war!) And in the Bhagavad-Gita, the Krishna is the charioteer of the hero Arjuna. They discuss various matters of duty and philosophy, and eventually Krishna reveals himself as God and explains the nature and duty of worship. * * * * Lois Aleta Fundis, Reference ^~~~~^ and Gov't. Documents Librarian Mary H. Weir Public Library, (O) (O) Weirton, WV 26062 fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us . \/ . 304-797-8510 (fax -8526) "Carpe librum!" ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:56:16 -0400 From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" <cierpke@prodigy.net> To: Zach Merchant <zmerchan@Connect.bedlib.org> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: war stories/divine intervention Zach:=0D=0A=0D=0AOne of th emost famous stories was the legend of the= angel of Mons in WWI. =0D=0A=0D=0Ahttp://www.awm.gov.au/research/enc= yclopedia/a/angel_doc.htm=0D=0A=0D=0AThe Battle of Edgehill in 1642 d= uring the English Civil War was followed by=0D=0Arumors of the dead f= romthe struggle rising from the earth before the eyes of=0D=0Athe sur= vivors. Afterwards, a battle on Marston Moor reportedly featured a= =0D=0Abody of horsemen in the sky. Spirits reportedly even made it to= the New=0D=0AWorld and purportedly assaulted a British garrison ther= e i n 1692. In the=0D=0AEighteenth century there were heavenly sightings = at Culloden and twice at a=0D=0Abattlefield called Souter Fell. =0D= =0AAnother story:=0D=0AIn the early days of World Ware II, Britain's = air force saved it from=0D=0Ainvasion and defeat. In her book, _Tell = No Man_, Adela Rogers St. John=0D=0Adescribes a strange aspect of tha= t weeks-long air war. Her information comes=0D=0Afrom a celebration h= eld some months after the war, honoring Air Chief=0D=0AMarshal Lord H= ugh Dowding. The King, the Prime Minister and scores of=0D=0Adignit aries were there. In his remarks, the Air Chief Marshal recounted the= =0D=0Astory of his legendary conflict where his pitifully small compl= ement of men=0D=0Ararely slept, and their planes never stopped flying= . He told about airmen on=0D=0Aa mission who, having been hit, were e= ither incapacitated or dead. Yet their=0D=0Aplanes kept flying and fi= ghting; in fact, on occasion pilots in other planes=0D=0Awould see a = figure still operating the controls. What was the explanation?=0D= =0AThe Air Chief Marshal said he believed angels had actu ally flown some of the=0D=0Aplanes whose pilots sat dead in their coc= kpits. =0D=0A=0D=0AEusebius of Casarea inHistory of the the church r= elates the following story:=0D=0AIt is said that when Marcus Aurelius= C=E6sar was forming his troops in order=0D=0Aof battle against the G= ermans and Sarmatians, he was reduced to extremities=0D=0Aby a failur= e of water. Meanwhile the soldiers in the so-called Melitene=0D=0Aleg= ion, which for its faith remains to this day, knelt down upon the gro= und,=0D=0Aas we are accustomed to do in prayer, and betook them selves to supplication.=0D=0AAnd whereas this sight was strange to th= e enemy, another still more strange=0D=0Ahappened immediately,=97thun= derbolts, which caused the enemy's flight and=0D=0Aoverthrow; and upo= n the army to which the men were attached, who had=0D=0Acalled upon= God, a rain, which restored it entirely when it was all but=0D=0Aper= ishing by thirst." He adds, that this account was given by heathens = as=0D=0Awell as by Christians, though they did not allow that the pr= ayers of=0D=0AChristians were concerned in the event. Then=20 he quotes Apollinaris for the=0D=0Afact that in consequence the legi= on received from the Emperor the name of=0D=0A"Thundering." Again, Te= rtullian speaks of "the letters of Marcus Aurelius,=0D=0Aan Emperor o= f great character, in which he testifies to the quenching of=0D=0Atha= t German thirst by the shower gained by the prayers of soldiers who= =0D=0Ahappened to be Christians He adds that, "while the Emperor did= not openly=0D=0Aremove the legal punishment from persons of that des= cription, yet he did in=0D=0Afact dispense with it by placi ng a penalty, and that a more fearful one, on=0D=0Atheir accusers." = And in his Ad Scapulam: "Marcus Aurelius in the German=0D=0Aexpeditio= n obtained showers in that thirst by the prayers offered up to God= =0D=0Aby Christian soldiers." =0D=0A The statement, then, as given= by two writers, one writing at the very=0D=0Atime, the other about t= wenty years later, is this: that the soldiers in or=0D=0Aof one of th= e Roman legions, gained by their prayers a seasonable storm of=0D= =0Arain and thunder and lightning, when the army was perishing=20 by thirst, and=0D=0Awas surrounded by an enemy; and they add two evid= ences of it=97Apollinaris,=0D=0Athat the legion in which these soldi= ers were found was thenceforth called=0D=0Athe Thundering Legion; an= d Tertullian, that the Emperor in consequence=0D=0Apassed an edict in= favour of the Christians.=0D=0A=0D=0AHope this helps=0D=0A=0D=0AKevi= n=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AAt 10:38 AM 5/15/2001 -0500, you wrote:=0D=0A>Hi a= ll.=0D=0A>I had a reference question passed to me from my boss, and I= 'm really=0D=0A>stuck. The patron needs war stories that deal with d= ivine intervention =2E=0D=0A>One example I was given was that of an american soldier in = WWII who had=0D=0A>150 Japanese troops surrender to him because they = could not fight his=0D=0A>reinforcements in white robes (angels). Th= e other story was something=0D=0A>to the effect of the Israelis being= out of ammunition and surrounded by=0D=0A>Palestinians so Israeli co= mmander told his troops to pray. The=0D=0A>Palestinians then surrend= ered after seeing the Israeli "reinforcements"=0D=0A>(again, angels).= =0D=0A>=0D=0A>Does anyone know where I can get more stories like th is? I've searched=0D=0A>the web some with poor results. Any help or s= uggestions at all would be=0D=0A>appreciated. Thank you.=0D=0A>=0D= =0A>Zach Merchant=0D=0A>"The only reason we're 7-0 is because we've w= on all seven of our games."=0D=0A>=0D=0A> -- David= Garcia, baseball team manager=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0AKevin W. Woodruff, = M. Div.=0D=0ALibrary Director/Reference Librarian=0D=0AProfessor of N= ew Testament Greek=0D=0ACierpke Memorial Library=0D=0ATennessee Templ= e University/Temple Baptist Seminary=0D=0A1815 Union Ave. =0D=0AChatt= anooga, Tennessee 37404=0D=0AUn ited States of America=0D=0A423/493-4252 (office)=0D=0A423/698-9447 (= home)=0D=0A423/493-4497 (FAX)=0D=0ACierpke@prodigy.net (preferred)= =0D=0Akwoodruf@utk.edu (alternate)=0D=0Ahttp://pages.prodigy.net/cier= pke/woodruff.htm=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:35:05 -0400 (EDT) From: K Smuz/Dunedin <smuzk@snoopy.tblc.org> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: thanks! Riverside CA obit Thanks to all who replied and gave us some good leads. My patron has enough to go on now that she thinks she can get the info she wants. Kathy Smuz Dunedin Public Library 223 Douglas Ave. Dunedin, FL 34698 (727) 298-3080 FAX (727) 298-3088 ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:46:54 -0500 From: Heidi Armstrong Temple <htemple@tc.umn.edu> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: *Thanks on ""estimate"" card game Thank you to Genevieve Foskett, Patricia Guy, and Nancy Carriar for their help/suggestions on rules for the card game "Estimate" (52 cards are used and you bid on what a hand is worth). Nancy thought it sounded like "Oh Hell," so we're sending the patron rules for that game from http://www.pagat.com/index.html. It looks like a thorough site on card games, at least to a rarely-plays-cards librarian like me. --------------------------------------------------------------- Heidi Armstrong Temple MINITEX Reference Services University of Minnesota htemple@tc.umn.edu ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:58:14 -0400 From: Wendy Rosen <wendyrose@LatinMail.com> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Quilting Question I am a reference librarian at the New Bern-Craven County Public Library who has a difficult reference question. A patron is looking for the origin of the "Drunkard's Path" quilt pattern. This is a blue and white pattern, which was adopted by the Women's Christian Temperance Union in 1880. The quilt also has other names: Falling Timbers; Solomons Puzzle; Rocky Road; World Puzzle; and Sailor's Walk. I have found some information on the Internet regarding the Temperance Union and the Drunkard's Path quilt. My patron wants the date when the pattern originated. She does not have time to send for a book on the pattern (one does exist). Any help would be appreciated. Wendy L. Rosen, Reference Librarian New Bern-Craven County Public Library 400 Johnson St. New Bern, NC 28560 (252) 638-7807 Fax: (252) 638-7817 _________________________________________________________ http://www.latinmail.com. Gratuito, latino y en español. ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:08:03 -0400 From: Mario Rups <rupsm@sil.si.edu> To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu Subj: RE: ! Opposite of bowdlerize According to an article from the New Republic back in March, the epon= ym of "grangerize" is " ...James Granger, an eighteenth-century cleri= c who made catalogues of portraits, which the purchaser could adorn w= ith reproductions of the portraits." Another term is "extra-illustra= tion".=0D=0A=0D=0AThe article, as of this writing available online at= http://www.thenewrepublic.com/032601/kermode032601_print.html , is a= review by Frank Kermode of H.J. Jackson's _Marginalia: Readers Writi= ng in Books_.=0D=0A=0D=0AMario Rups=0D=0Arupsm@si l.si.edu=0D=0A=0D=0A>>> Kathleen Veldhuisen <kathleen@exchange.chemek= eta.edu> 05/14/01 05:18PM >>>=0D=0AThere is indeed a word for adding = supplementary material to books. It is=0D=0A"grangerize." Technicall= y, it refers only to illustrative material added=0D=0Afrom other sour= ces.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A"Christine F. Corston" wrote:=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Th= e patron here is my 83-year-old mother, an inveterate adder of=0D= =0Amarginalia and other materials, such as > clippings about the auth= or, etc.,=0D=0Ato books she is reading. Now she wonders if there is a= verb for th is >=0D=0Aactivity.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A--------------------------------= --------=0D=0AKathleen Veldhuisen, Reference Librarian=0D=0AChemeketa= Community College Library=0D=0A4000 Lancaster Drive NE, Salem, OR 9= 7309=0D=0A503-399-5203 kathleen@chemeketa.edu=0D=0A=0D=0A=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:12:57 -0400 From: ibbetson <isserlis@home.com> To: Zach Merchant <zmerchan@Connect.bedlib.org> Cc: Stumpers <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: war stories/divine intervention At 10:38 AM 5/15/2001 -0500, Zach Merchant wrote: >I had a reference question passed to me from my boss, and I'm really >stuck. The patron needs war stories that deal with divine intervention. >One example I was given was that of an american soldier in WWII who had >150 Japanese troops surrender to him because they could not fight his >reinforcements in white robes (angels). The other story was something >to the effect of the Israelis being out of ammunition and surrounded by >Palestinians so Israeli commander told his troops to pray. The >Palestinians then surrendered after seeing the Israeli "reinforcements" >(again, angels). > >Does anyone know where I can get more stories like this? I've searched >the web some with poor results. Any help or suggestions at all would be >appreciated. Thank you. There are a number of such stories relating to Greece's Persian wars. For example, before the battle of Salamis Dicaeus and Demaratus heard voices and saw a cloud of dust from the direction of Eleusis, as though the usual sacred rites were in progress. "Coming as it did from the direction of Eleusis, he [Dicaeus] concluded that it must necessarily betoken something of ill-omen towards these foreign invaders of the sacred soil. He came to the conclusion that the singing was of some divine nature (not the voices of distant troops, who were out of sight, singing in a foreign mode and tongue) and that it could only mean that some unearthly power was about to save the Athenians and their allies...." -- Ernle Bradford _The Year of Thermopolae_ citing Herodotus. The Bible tells us of a wall falling down when trumpets were sounded, &c. David ib ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:31:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Sarah Ziegenbein <sarahz@fones.cals.lib.ar.us> To: Wendy Rosen <wendyrose@LatinMail.com> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: Quilting Question Wendy--=0D=0A=0D=0AIf your person can wait until tomorrow, I'll be gl= ad to check my copy. In=0D=0Athe meantime, if you have access to Bar= bara Brackman's book Encyclopedia =0D=0Aof Pieced Quilt Patterns, it'= s pretty complete, at least as to date. I'll=0D=0Acheck with one of = our branches who does have a copy.=0D=0A=0D=0ASarah Ziegenbein=0D= =0ADocuments Librarian=0D=0ACentral Arkansas Library System=0D=0Asara= hz@fones.cals.lib.ar.us=0D=0A=0D=0AOn Tue, 15 May 2001, Wendy Rosen w= rote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> I am a reference librarian at the New Bern-Craven = County Public Librar y who has a difficult reference=0D=0A> question. A patron is looking = for the origin of the=0D=0A> "Drunkard's Path" quilt pattern. This is= a blue and=0D=0A> white pattern, which was adopted by the Women's = =0D=0A> Christian Temperance Union in 1880. The quilt also=0D=0A> has= other names: Falling Timbers; Solomons Puzzle;=0D=0A> Rocky Road; Wo= rld Puzzle; and Sailor's Walk. I have=0D=0A> found some information o= n the Internet regarding the=0D=0A> Temperance Union and the Drunkard= 's Path quilt. My=0D=0A> patron wants the date when the pattern ori ginated. She=0D=0A> does not have time to send for a book on the patt= ern=0D=0A> (one does exist). Any help would be appreciated.=0D=0A> = =0D=0A> =0D=0A> Wendy L. Rosen,=0D=0A> Reference Librarian=0D=0A> New= Bern-Craven County Public Library=0D=0A> 400 Johnson St.=0D=0A> New = Bern, NC 28560=0D=0A> (252) 638-7807=0D=0A> Fax: (252) 638-7817=0D= =0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> ________= _________________________________________________=0D=0A> http://www.l= atinmail.com. Gratuito, latino y en espa=F1ol.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D= =0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:43:04 -0400 From: Charles Early <cearly@library.gsfc.nasa.gov> To: Robert L Hadden <rhadden@usgs.gov>, STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu, Subj: Re: What is a polycrystalline diamond? Engineers and physicists are very interested in (man-made) polycrystalline diamond these days. Databases like INSPEC, Compendex, and Web of Science have hundreds of references on the topic, and there's even an Elsevier journal (Diamond and Related Materials). Polycrystalline diamond is used to make superhard cutting tools, and there are many potential electronic and optical applications, among others. Polycrystalline diamond can be made by using heat and high pressure to sinter (fuse together) diamond powder or by chemical vapor deposition onto a surface. At 09:35 AM 5/15/2001 -0400, Robert L Hadden wrote: > "polycrystal" is defined in the Glossary of Geology as: "An assemblage >of crystal grains of a mineral, of an unspecified number, shape, size, >orientation, or bonding, that together form a solid body. " > As such, the term can be used in different ways while speaking of >diamonds. (Dare I say "In the first place?"), it can refer to inclusions in >the diamond of other minerals.. Many times these inclusions in diamonds are >seen as flaws, and are removed in cleaving, cutting, sawing or polishing >t >he diamond. Other times, the inclusions are retained. The "Pink Panther" >diamond of movie fame was fictional, but shows how a flaw, in this case >appearing to have the image of a leaping panther, is retained and gives >added value to a gem, not to mention a moniker. > The most common usage refers to microscopic diamonds within an >impacted matrix. Some meteors are good examples of this process, where >impacts caused diamonds to be formed, that themselves become >"polycrystalline" inside the matrix. > > "Twinned" or "twining" diamonds are crystals that develop that have >the appearance of two or more crystals, in contact or "interpenetrating", >that are identical or mirror images of each other. > In the field of crystallography, the term "polycrystalline" has >precise usage. Outside the field, the term can be used, either correctly >and wrongly, consciously or unconsciously, to help sell diamonds and other >materials. Not knowing how the term is used with your patron can mean that >the term was used > either incorrectly or not. > Most geological databases have a great deal of information on >polycrystalline diamonds. GeoRef has an easy sixty or so references dating >back to the 1960's, and NTIS has over a hundred. > > This term "polycrystalline diamond" may also be applied to the >manufacture of diamonds as well. Dr. Henri Moissan demonstrated the methods >in which meteoric diamonds are formed almost a hundred years ago. > Moissanite was named by Dr. George F. Kunz in honor of his good frien >d >and colleague, Professor Henri Moissan. Dr. Moissan first separated the >element fluorine, and also did significant work on the Canyon Diablo >meteorite. For his many accomplishments in chemistry, he was awarded the >Nobel Prize in 1907, shortly before his death. > "...Moissan produced diamonds of those comparable to those found > in meteorites by placing finely divided carbon in a cylinder under > great pressure and subjecting it to greater pressure by heating it in > a bath > of molten iron within an electric furnace, then suddenly > cooling it by plunging it into a crucible of molten lead. This > treatment quickly formed a solid crust of metal within the cooling > iron (which like water expands upon freezing) was forced to exert > tremendous pressure on the enclosed carbon. When the mass was > dissolved, small diamonds were found in the residue, some of which > measured up to a 0.5 millimeter." H. H. Nininger. Out of > the Sky: An > Introduction to Meteoritics. New York: Dover Publications. 1952. Page > 122. > > I hope this explanation helps. > >Lee Hadden > >************************ >R. Lee Hadden, >Reference Librarian >US Geological Survey >Mail Stop 950, National Center >Reston, VA 20192 >TEL: (703) 648-6088 >FAX: (703) 648-6373 >rhadden@usgs.gov >http://www.usgs.gov/library >************************* > > > > > > > Norman > Buchwald > <nbuchwald@clpccd To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu > > .cc.ca.us> cc: > > Subject: What is a > polycrystalline diamond? > 05/14/2001 > 09:43 > PM > > > > > > > > >Hello, a patron is trying to find what this item is and the history >behind the "polycrystalline diamond" which he believes is a manmade >substance. He's been unable to find it in a dictionary and encyclopedia >and I've looked at both our dat >ed mineral dictionaries and reference >books as well as online ones. I've also looked under technology and the >patent database at least appears (before the patron had to get to class) >to other patents but not the actual "substance." Any clues? > >Norman > > > Charles Early Library, Code 292 (301) 286-0887 Goddard Space Flight Center Charles.T.Early.1@gsfc.nasa.gov Greenbelt, MD 20771 NCI Information Systems, Inc. ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:48:04 -0400 (EDT) From: LILongJr@aol.com To: wendyrose@latinmail.com, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: Quilting Question --Boundary_(ID_NvP23AKGyosuAbSJCAg2XQ) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I don't know the origin date, but I DO know the pattern goes back at least to the pre-Civil War days of the Underground Railroad. I came across a site the other day (I'll have to find it again) that told of how certain quilting patterns were used to signal escaped slaves about routes and such. The Drunkard's Walk pattern was a warning not to go along a straight path. 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She writes that she had 300 shares of Studebaker stock in January of 1934, selling it for a "neat profit" (enough to travel across Siberia to Moscow, to seek a job, and then to go on to New York and set up residence there) sometime from mid-to late April, 1934. She would have had no other money than the proceeds from this stock. I need to find out how much that stock was worth in January, 1934, and then what it was worth from mid-to late April, 1934. I have tried other places, and have not found this information. If anyone can point me in the direction where I could find this out, I would be very grateful. Bette Tomlinson bette@montana.com ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:18:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> To: Timothy Ferguson <ferguson@beyond.net.au> Cc: Stumpers-L@cuis.edu Subj: Re: % First reference to skiing in Switzerland Since no copies of answers to your question have been posted, I am going to take a stab at it. I am going to suggest two Swiss sources: 1. The National Library http://www.snl.ch/e/aktuell/index.htm While I didn't find an electronic reference e-mail address, I did find an address & phone and a more general e-mail address, so I presume whoever receives it will forward it to a reference person. The address is: Swiss National Library Hallwylstrasse 15, CH-3003 Berne Telephone 0041 31 322 89 01 Fax 0041 31 322 84 63 E-mail: IZ-Helvetica@slb.admin.ch 2. The other place is the Swiss National Museum in Zurich. I have visited it and I was tremendously impressed by the way they present the history of the country in rooms which show clothing, furniture, artifacts, etc., and they do have a library on the premises, though it largely deals with archaeology. (Note to you guys who like lead toy soldiers: they have a large room devoted to a very impressive collection of lead toy soldiers arranged on battlefields.) Their web site is at: http://www.slmnet.ch/e/index_d.html At the side of the page there is an icon for mail, so hopefully your question might be forwarded to an appropriate individual. Hope this helps. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ? ? ? ? Denise Montgomery "Knowledge is of two kinds; ? ? Valdosta State Univ Library we know a subject ourselves, ? ? Valdosta, GA 31698 or we know where we can find ? ? information upon it." ? ? (912) 333-5867 Dr. Samuel Johnson, Boswell's ? ? (912) 333-5862 FAX Life of Johnson, April 15, ? ? dmontgom@valdosta.edu 1775 ? ? http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Outlet/8896/ ? ? ? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:20:35 -0400 From: Robert L Hadden <rhadden@usgs.gov> To: BLIC <bginfo@rain.org> Cc: Stumpers <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> Subj: Re: Jean d'Arc/divine intervention Joan of Arc is one of the problems that you have in attributing divine intervention between Christian armies. Although her royalist cause was seen as protected through supernatural solicitation by the Maid, this also implies that God loved the French but did not love the Burgundians and the English (which may be understandable, but is hardly fair of God). As a result, the successful campaigns that were seen in France as Joan's invocation of divine intervention and a cause for piety and thankfulness, in England were seen as a time of weeping and loss. Thus, years later, on the English side, William Shakespeare saw Joan of Arc as a madwoman and a witch, and presented her as such in his histories. It definitely gave her a bad press for many years to come. This problem of divine intervention between Catholics was also one of the several problems which held up Joan's sanctification until 1912. BTW, Saint Catherine, one of the two saints whose voices Joan of Arc claimed to hear, is among other things, a patron of libraries. A library in a monastery named for her in the Sinai (Saint Katherine or St Katrina) has a fabulous collection of books and manuscripts, including a letter signed by the Prophet Mohammed. How could Mohammed, who was illiterate, sign a letter? He inked his right hand and placed the impression on the paper. Saint Catherine was removed from the Roman Catholic church's calendar of saints in the 1960's, but remains revered in the Eastern Orthodox and Coptic churches. Most Americans are familiar with Saint Jerome as a patron of libraries, and many Europeans consider Saint Lawrence as their patrons. There are more than one patron saint of libraries. We certainly need all the heavenly patronage we can get! Lee Hadden ************************ R. Lee Hadden, Reference Librarian US Geological Survey Mail Stop 950, National Center Reston, VA 20192 TEL: (703) 648-6088 FAX: (703) 648-6373 rhadden@usgs.gov http://www.usgs.gov/library ************************* "The e-mail of the species is always more dangerous than the mail." - Science on T-Shirts BLIC <bginfo@rain. To: Zach Merchant org> <zmerchan@Connect.bedlib.org> cc: Stumpers <stumpers-l@cuis.edu> 05/15/2001 Subject: Re: war stories/divine intervention 12:37 PM How about Joan of Arc? She saw visions and heard voices of an angel which guided her to successful campaigns. ********************* The patron needs war stories that deal with divine intervention. ********************* --Chris Gallery Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System c/o Santa Barbara Public Library P.O. Box 1019 Santa Barbara, CA 93102 Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:22:01 -0700 From: "DeFato, Joan" <joan.defato@arboretum.org> To: 'Bette Tomlinson' <bette@montana.com>, stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: RE: ?Value of stocks in 1934 Have you tried looking at a newspaper such as the New York Times for those dates? Joan DeFato Plant Science Library The Arboretum of Los Angeles County 301 North Baldwin Avenue Arcadia, CA 91007-2697 Phone: (626) 821-3213 Fax: (626) 445-1217 -----Original Message----- From: Bette Tomlinson [mailto:bette@montana.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:00 PM To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subject: ?Value of stocks in 1934 Listlings, I am writing a biography and am trying to account for some irregularities in what my subject claims about how she survived. She writes that she had 300 shares of Studebaker stock in January of 1934, selling it for a "neat profit" (enough to travel across Siberia to Moscow, to seek a job, and then to go on to New York and set up residence there) sometime from mid-to late April, 1934. She would have had no other money than the proceeds from this stock. I need to find out how much that stock was worth in January, 1934, and then what it was worth from mid-to late April, 1934. I have tried other places, and have not found this information. If anyone can point me in the direction where I could find this out, I would be very grateful. Bette Tomlinson bette@montana.com ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:39:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Sarah Ziegenbein <sarahz@fones.cals.lib.ar.us> To: Wendy Rosen <wendyrose@LatinMail.com> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: Quilting Question Hi Wendy--=0D=0A=0D=0AOne of our branch people checked in Brackman's = book for me, and says=0D=0Athere's nothing there other than all the v= ariations. I'll check in my=0D=0Acopy of Pepper Cory's book on the d= runkard's path and see what she says.=0D=0A=0D=0ASarah Ziegenbein= =0D=0ADocuments Librarian=0D=0ACentral Arkansas Library System=0D= =0Asarahz@fones.cals.lib.ar.us=0D=0A=0D=0AOn Tue, 15 May 2001, Wendy = Rosen wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> I am a reference librarian at the New Bern-= Craven County Public Library who has a difficult reference=0D=0A> que= stion. A patron is looki ng for the origin of the=0D=0A> "Drunkard's Path" quilt pattern. This= is a blue and=0D=0A> white pattern, which was adopted by the Women's= =0D=0A> Christian Temperance Union in 1880. The quilt also=0D=0A> ha= s other names: Falling Timbers; Solomons Puzzle;=0D=0A> Rocky Road; W= orld Puzzle; and Sailor's Walk. I have=0D=0A> found some information = on the Internet regarding the=0D=0A> Temperance Union and the Drunkar= d's Path quilt. My=0D=0A> patron wants the date when the pattern orig= inated. She=0D=0A> does not have time to send for a book on the p attern=0D=0A> (one does exist). Any help would be appreciated.=0D= =0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> Wendy L. Rosen,=0D=0A> Reference Librarian=0D= =0A> New Bern-Craven County Public Library=0D=0A> 400 Johnson St.= =0D=0A> New Bern, NC 28560=0D=0A> (252) 638-7807=0D=0A> Fax: (252) 63= 8-7817=0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D= =0A> _________________________________________________________=0D= =0A> http://www.latinmail.com. Gratuito, latino y en espa=F1ol.=0D= =0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:23:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: *Thanks for colleges without Math requirement Many thanks to Jessica M Hollands, Andrew Richmond, Ellen Ehrig, Dan Robinson, Barbara Bristow, Mario Rups, Marian, Alison Hendon, Jennifer Schrager, Kate Wolicki, David Ibbetson, Connie, Jim Longo, Lois Fundis, David Harris, Elizabeth Harper and Jan Maher for their exellent suggestions and referrals to colleges that are less rigid about math. I am very sympathetic because my alma mater, Sweet Briar College, had revised their curriculum in the 60s like Brown did and I didn't have to take it, but they have since gone back to more stringent requirements for the degree, so I couldn't recommend it to her. But that didn't mean it was an easy school, since every student had to pass a comprehensive exam in her subject in order to graduate. The English dept. had a six hour exam, which you could opt to take as two three-hour written exams, one three-hour written exam and a twenty page paper, a three-hour written exam and a three-hour oral exam, or you could write a thesis instead. Indeed, it was more demanding than the exam for the Master's degree at the Engish dept of the Univ. of Connecticut. Regrettably, Sweet Briar dropped the comprehensive exam sometime during the 80s, which I think is a shame. It was a great means of synthesizing everything you had learned in that subject, and a wonderful preparation for graduate school. The only other US school I have heard of that offers the comprehensive exam is the Univ. of the South, which also has a unique custom of requiring their professors to wear their academic robes when they teach, which included the librarians doing their bibliographic instruction sessions! ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ? ? ? ? Denise Montgomery "Knowledge is of two kinds; ? ? Valdosta State Univ Library we know a subject ourselves, ? ? Valdosta, GA 31698 or we know where we can find ? ? information upon it." ? ? (912) 333-5867 Dr. Samuel Johnson, Boswell's ? ? (912) 333-5862 FAX Life of Johnson, April 15, ? ? dmontgom@valdosta.edu 1775 ? ? http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Outlet/8896/ ? ? ? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:39:57 -0400 From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" <cierpke@prodigy.net> To: Michael VanHouten <Mvanhouten@albion.edu> Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: A lake in Italy Mike: There is a village southwest of Montpellier in France called Gigean. I can'tfind any trace of it in a gazetteer. Kevin At 04:06 PM 5/15/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Hi everyone - > >One of our faculty members is trying to identify a modern name for a lake in Italy called "Lake Gigeus" or the "Gigean Lake". He has read references to this lake from the 16th century, but can find no modern reference in gazeteers, atlases, etc. He wonders if the lake still exists, or has a different name? > >Can anyone help with this request? > >Thanks! > >Mike > > > >Michael Van Houten >Assistant Director of Libraries and Head > of Public Services >Stockwell-Mudd Libraries >Albion Col >lege >602 E. Cass St. >Albion, MI 49224 >517-629-0382 >mvanhouten@albion.edu > > Kevin W. Woodruff, M. Div. Library Director/Reference Librarian Professor of New Testament Greek Cierpke Memorial Library Tennessee Temple University/Temple Baptist Seminary 1815 Union Ave. Chattanooga, Tennessee 37404 United States of America 423/493-4252 (office) 423/698-9447 (home) 423/493-4497 (FAX) Cierpke@prodigy.net (preferred) kwoodruf@utk.edu (alternate) http://pages.prodigy.net/cierpke/woodruff.htm ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:17:07 -0700 From: "DeFato, Joan" <joan.defato@arboretum.org> To: 'Michael VanHouten' <Mvanhouten@albion.edu>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: RE: A lake in Italy Is there a chance that the place is not in Italy? I don't know if there is a lake but there is a village named Gigean in southern France. http://fr.news.yahoo.com/quid/g_9308.html Joan DeFato Plant Science Library The Arboretum of Los Angeles County 301 North Baldwin Avenue Arcadia, CA 91007-2697 Phone: (626) 821-3213 Fax: (626) 445-1217 -----Original Message----- From: Michael VanHouten [mailto:Mvanhouten@albion.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 1:06 PM To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: A lake in Italy Hi everyone - One of our faculty members is trying to identify a modern name for a lake in Italy called "Lake Gigeus" or the "Gigean Lake". He has read references to this lake from the 16th century, but can find no modern reference in gazeteers, atlases, etc. ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:26:30 -0400 (EDT) From: QED2001@aol.com To: rhadden@usgs.gov, STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu, nbuchwald@clpccd.cc.ca.us Subj: Geneology 1215 --Boundary_(ID_ZpdaVEYZ1OUCcq5CWbKOpQ) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT My family history dates back to 1215. Is the fact that this date coincides with the Magna Carta a significance? Also, when did English overcome French as the popular language in England? I can't find anything more than generalizations about that. 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We certainly need all >the heavenly patronage we can get! And being saints, obviously they return their books on time and don't hog the computers all day. Sorry, couldn't resist. Lois * * * * Lois Aleta Fundis, Reference ^~~~~^ and Gov't. Documents Librarian Mary H. Weir Public Library, (O) (O) Weirton, WV 26062 fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us . \/ . 304-797-8510 (fax -8526) "Carpe librum!" ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:41:00 -0400 From: ibbetson <isserlis@home.com> To: "DeFato, Joan" <joan.defato@arboretum.org> Cc: 'Michael VanHouten' <Mvanhouten@albion.edu>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: %%%RE: A lake in Italy At 01:17 PM 5/15/2001 -0700, DeFato, Joan wrote: >Is there a chance that the place is not in Italy? I don't know if there is >a lake but there is a village named Gigean in southern France. >http://fr.news.yahoo.com/quid/g_9308.html The status of Provence (which Julius Caesar called The Province) has varied over the centuries. IIRC substantial areas moved from "Italy" to "France" in the nineteenth century. David ib ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:03:10 -0600 From: "T.F. Mills" <tfmills@regiments.org> To: QED2001@aol.com, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: Geneology 1215 On 15 May 2001, at 17:26, QED2001@aol.com wrote: > My family history dates back to 1215. Is the fact that this date coincides > with the Magna Carta a significance? If your family is from Ouagadougou or Shihichiachuang there is probably little connection. My ancestor spontaneously generated in Lebanon in 1215. (What a coincidence.) He had no parents. > Also, when did English overcome French as the popular language in > England? I can't find anything more than generalizations about > that. I suggest you try a library for a basic work like "The Story of English" by McCrum, Cran MacNeil. T(iptoeing) through F(amily-history) Mills tfmills@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado, USA) Stumpers-L Unofficial Pages: http://wombats.areawesome.net ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:47:30 -0400 From: David Klappholz <d.klappholz@worldnet.att.net> To: tfmills@regiments.org Cc: stumpers-l@cuis.edu Subj: Re: Geneology 1215 >On 15 May 2001, at 17:26, QED2001@aol.com wrote: > >> My family history dates back to 1215. Is the fact that this date coincides >> with the Magna Carta a significance? > >If your family is from Ouagadougou or Shihichiachuang there is >probably little connection. My ancestor spontaneously generated >in Lebanon in 1215. (What a coincidence.) He had no parents. > >> Also, when did English overcome French as the popular language in >> England? I can't find anything more than generalizations about >> that. > >I suggest you try a library for a basic work like "The Story of English" >by McCrum, Cran MacNeil. That's not very charitable T.F. Everyone knows that Norman invaded in 1066 and that English overcame French on May 11, 1067 at noon. (Had Norman not had such a bad lisp, French might have held on a few more months.) Dave > >T(iptoeing) through F(amily-history) Mills >tfmills@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado, USA) >Stumpers-L Unofficial Pages: >http://wombats.areawesome.net ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:54:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Lois Fundis <fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us> To: tfmills@regiments.org Cc: QED2001@aol.com, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: Geneology 1215 At 05:03 PM 05/15/2001 -0600, T.F. Mills wrote: >On 15 May 2001, at 17:26, QED2001@aol.com wrote: > >> My family history dates back to 1215. Is the fact that this date coincides >> with the Magna Carta a significance? > >If your family is from Ouagadougou or Shihichiachuang there is >probably little connection. On the other hand, if your ancestors -- or a fairly sizable percentage of them -- came from England, there's a good chance you might be descended from one of the barons involved in the Magna Carta, even from King John himself. A well-known genealogist, Alex Shumatoff, has speculated that most if not all people of English descent are descended one way or another (or several ways) from Edward III, who was John's great-great-grandson. Despite T(ree) F(inder) Mills' joke, you probably *did* had ancestors before 1215, but they just don't show up in any records that you have found yet. It may be that no earlier records exist, or that records that once existed have been destroyed. >> Also, when did English overcome French as the popular language in >> England? I can't find anything more than generalizations about >> that. It depends on how you define "English" and how you define "popular". The common people spoke English, or an ancestral form of it, from the time they stepped off the boat and conquered the Celtic peoples (Welsh and Cornish mostly) who were there before. Say from about the late 500's on; the Celtic people who stayed in Anglo-Saxon territory perforce learned their conquerors' language. The French bit came in with the Norman Conquest but was not "popular" except with the nobility, which is an oxymoron. The usual theory is that the royal family probably began speaking English about the time of the aforementioned Edward III, but some of the lesser nobility probably did so before then (thus sometime between 1066 and 1376). Modern English *as we know it* pretty much began about the time of Shakespeare and the King James Version of the Bible, late 1500s/early 1600s, although spellings didn't become standardized until even later! This *is* vague and generalized, but no one back then thought to take notes on such things. The language just was. No one noticed it was changing. "The Story of English" is a great book (and was a great TV series) and I recommend it, too. * * * * Lois Aleta Fundis, Reference ^~~~~^ and Gov't. Documents Librarian Mary H. Weir Public Library, (O) (O) Weirton, WV 26062 fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us . \/ . 304-797-8510 (fax -8526) "Carpe librum!" ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:09:08 -0400 From: Jaroslav Patek <jaroslav.patek@verizon.net> To: Denise_Montgomery <dmontgom@valdosta.edu>, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement While many colleges require mathematics (3 or 6 semester hours), in most cases a liberal arts major may take mathematics courses geared towards those majors. I was awful in mathematics in high school, yet I managed to successfully pass 2 college level mathematics courses. Your daughter shouldn't worry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise_Montgomery" <dmontgom@valdosta.edu> To: <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: ? Colleges or universities with no math requirement > > I'm asking this on behalf of a friend of mine whose daughter does not do > very well in math as to whether there are any colleges or universities > which do not require taking college level mathematics in order to > graduate. I know Brown University doesn't, since they changed their > curriculum back during the 60s to reflect the less structured trends of > the time, and have never changed it back, but it would be nice to have > some more options available. A student shouldn't be barred from attending > college simply because she can't do math, especialy if she is a liberal > arts or fine arts major whose later career will have nothing to do with > algegra, calculus, trig, etc. > > I've tried Google, ERIC, Education Abstracts, Lexis-Nexis, Ebscohost, and > Proquest, but turned up nothing. I also tried the database of college > catalogs, but it did not offer that as one of the search criteria, and > free-text searching only pulled up the catalogs themselves, not the > pinpointed information. Anyone have any ideas on this or know of > individual colleges that don't require math? > > ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ? > ? ? > ? Denise Montgomery "Knowledge is of two kinds; ? > ? Valdosta State Univ Library we know a subject ourselves, ? > ? Valdosta, GA 31698 or we know where we can find ? > ? information upon it." ? > ? (912) 333-5867 Dr. Samuel Johnson, Boswell's ? > ? (912) 333-5862 FAX Life of Johnson, April 15, ? > ? dmontgom@valdosta.edu 1775 ? > ? http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Outlet/8896/ ? > ? ? > ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:37:32 -0400 (EDT) From: LILongJr@aol.com To: sarahz@fones.cals.lib.ar.us, wendyrose@latinmail.com Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subj: Re: Quilting Question --Boundary_(ID_oDdJ/KhYVT/wH2pzFZTcxw) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Also look for a book called "Hidden in Plain Sight". I don't know the author's name, but it's all about the Underground Railroad and features the Drunkard's Walk pattern in the section on quilts. 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He has read references to this lake from the 16th century... Could this possibly be the Gygean Lake, which was created/ developed by the Lydians to irrigate their fields? That one is located in Sardis, about 50 miles east of Izmir in Turkey. Sardis is known for the Temple of Artemis and the legend of King Croesus. Daphne Drewello Alfred Dickey Library Jamestown, ND ================================================================================ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:07:01 -0500 From: "Michael J. Lowrey" <orange@execpc.com> To: "Ross A. Holt" <rholt@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us> Cc: Stumpers list <stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu> Subj: ! fair use & PowerPoint Ross A. Holt asked: >Maybe not exactly the right forum for this question, but it has me stumped. >Therefore.... > >What are the copyright issues regarding appropriation of images for use in >PowerPoint-type presentations? Specifically, is it a fair use to scan a >copyrighted image from a book or other published source and incorporate it >in a presentation (with credit, of course)? Is comparable to, for instance, >photocopying a "Dilbert" cartoon onto a transparency and using it on an >overhead projector to illustrate a point during a presentation? Speaking as a writer, not as a representative of the National Writers Union, I would be inclined to say that unless the presentation is being broadcast or taped, such limited use would be a fair use, if properly credited. However, if the presentation is reproduced or marketed in any way, then you would need to get a license for said image from the copyright holder. >Same question for an image that is in the public domain, but for which the >source most available to you is a copyrighted work (for instance, a >reproduction of an engraving depicting a historical event, which is used in >several books on the subject). As long as you're reproducing the original _image_, not the derivative work in which it is reprinted, I'd say you're in the clear. However, I'd bet that the images in those several books were in fact reproduced from a picture archive such as the Bettmann Archive. In such a case, my first paragraph comes into play. Oh, yes: IANAL [I Am Not A Lawyer] -- Michael J. Lowrey, Editor-in-Chief Sunrise Book & Software Reviews 1847 N. 2d Str.; Milwaukee, WI 53212-3760 414-229-5960 or 414-372-9745 http://www.uwm.edu/~orangest/ Member: National Writers Union/UAW; Wis. State Employees Union/AFSCME; I.U.660/IWW "Government bureaucrats are, ipso facto, incompetent, inefficient and uncaring, while, we know, the wise Invisible Hand of the Market forces efficiency and Goodness upon Superior Corporate Bureaucrats. Any and all evidence suggesting any flaws or missing elements to this theory must be entirely hand-waved aside, of course." -- Gary Farber .