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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:35:43 +0200 (CEST)
From: md2@freenet.de
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: ? Looking for works by Kathinka Sutro-Schuecking
Hello everyone,=0D=0A=0D=0ASorry for posting this twice -- my first m=
essage came out quite mangled. Maybe this will be more readable!=0D=
=0A=0D=0AI'm looking for any and all works by the German-American wom=
an writer Kathinka Sutro-Sch=FCcking [that's "u" with an umlaut!] (18=
34-1911), and these two in particular:=0D=0A=0D=0A1) "Doctor Zernowit=
z. Villa Montrose". Chicago: Laird & Lee, 1894.=0D=0A2) "Eine lieblos=
e Ehe und andere Erz=E4hlungen". Comp. and ed. Paul Emil Sutro (n.p.,=
n.d.)=0D=0A3) "Caroline Wasenburg"=0D=0A=0D=0AThe copy at the Univ. =
of Cin
cinnati cannot be photocopied or microfilmed, the copy at the NYPL wa=
s stolen, and the CPP doesn't have the copy listed in the Nat. Union =
Cat. of pre-1956 holdings. Can anyone help with these, or any other =
works by Sutro-Sch=FCcking? (I've checked out just about everything e=
xcept for individual libraries' card catalogs!)=0D=0A=0D=0A(except: "=
In beiden Hemisphaeren", "Die Erlebnisse einer Schutzlosen", and "Ums=
onst" which I already have)=0D=0A=0D=0AVariant spellings: Sutro-Schuc=
king, Sutro-Schuecking, Sutro, etc.=0D=0A=0D=0ADoes any
one know of the existence/whereabouts of Laird & Lee archives?=0D=
=0A=0D=0AThank you for your assistance!=0D=0A=0D=0AMatthew Gaskins=
=0D=0Amd2@freenet.de=0D=0A=0D=0A-- =0D=0A=0D=0AIhrPreis.de - Aus Freu=
de am Sparen! Hier klicken:=0D=0Ahttp://www.freenet.de/shopping/wunsc=
hpreis/index.html=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 07:47:54 -0400
From: Don Saklad
To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu, dsaklad@gnu.org
Subj: Reference Desks customer services excellence. Discarded Listings.
How could you persuade our cities' public libraries to
be more responsive to our cities' public libraries
users/customers/consumers and to be more responsive
to our public libraries workers?...
Too often when concerns, suggestions and questions are
raised, library users and library workers raising the
concerns, suggestions and questions do not find robust
responses in a spirit of the mission of our cities'
public libraries to our communities' constituencies.
Example:
-Please forward to Bill Taylor Collections Committee BPL Board
Bill Taylor, Collections Committee BPL Board
c/o BPL Clerk Jamie McGlone jmcglone@bpl.org
Bernie Margolis, BPL President bmargolis@bpl.org
Nicholson Baker nb@well.com
Dear Bernie Margolis,
Via email, please arrange for me to read listings of
Boston Public Library discards or make the information
available via BPL web links.
Reference:
Double Fold
by Nicholas Baker
page 270 Epilogue Four Recommendations
This is another reference question about Referece Desks
and customer services excellence that stumped the BPL
team and Sally Beecher, Head Boston Public Library
General Reference Department
oo__ dWs
Guide to Problematical Library Use
http://GuideToProblematicalLibraryUse.WebLogs.com/Stories
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:40:03 -0400
From: thomas.d.fuller@us.andersen.com
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Cc: nigel.rees@btinternet.com
Subj: % Bogart ""even the dead can talk""
Nigel Rees sent me the following message he got from Pete Atkin about this
quotation:
*************************
Pete's message:
OK. Now I've asked Clive about Bogart and "even the dead can talk". He said
it was from a 1960 movie called 'Murder, Incorporated' directed by the amazingly
named Bretaigne Windust. Now that would be fine except that, according to
Halliwell's Film Guide at any rate, Bogart wasn't in it. LH says it's a
"tedious and poorly made gangster thriller [with] unforgivable
faults considering the many admirable models it has to follow." It features
Stuart Whitman, Mai Britt, Henry Morgan, and (probably crucially) Peter Falk
(who was nominated for an Oscar for it). My guess is that faulty memory is at
work, Clive would have seen it (I imagine) in Sydney and the song wasn't
written for another ten years or so, and it's perhaps not too hard to imagine
remembering Peter Falk as Humphrey B.
There's another inconsistency: the movie wasn't directed by Mr Windust, at
least not according to LH who credits Burt Balaban and Stuart Rosenberg
(apparently his first film). Two directors is always a sign of something
untoward, of course. Maybe BW really directed but his name was kept off (a
blacklist connection maybe?). Then again, BW died in 1960, so maybe the others
finished it. Or ...
I'll pursue it further with Clive when I next get a chance to speak to him. It
may be that he has the full explanation.
****************************
Nigel then followed up with:
Actually, Pete Atkin was in error. The Bogart film in question is The Enforcer
(directed by Bretaigne Windust) in 1951, which for some reason was known in the
UK (and probably in Clive James's Australia) as Murder, Inc. It's supposed to
be very good. Now all we need is someone to check it out!
*****************************
Anybody feel like watching a gangster movie tonight?
-- Tom, who doesn't
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:51:41 -0400
From: Robert L Hadden
To: Don Saklad , stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subj: Discarded Listings
Dear Don Saklad:
First off, Mr. Baker doesn't know what he is talking about. While he
dismisses the libraries' problems of lack of space, budget and staff, now
that he owns 7,000 volumes of old newspaper volumes he finds he needs help
to house the collection, run the facility and make it available to the
public, and to preserve/conserve his collection. His accusations against
libraries for being held hostage to these three problems is pathetic enough
to make me laugh, if I didn't cry instead.
In these days of reducing taxes, library services are also reduced.
The number of hours the public libraries in my home county are open have
just last month come back to the same level they were in 1990 because of
cutbacks in taxes. Redundant or less important tasks are being eliminated
so more important ones can be retained. If you want more services, you will
have to fight politically against those who want to reduce taxes and
government services. Good luck, cobber!
Providing lists of weeded books by large libraries is sterile. Since
they are on their way out, once they are removed from the library catalog
they become dross, as is discarded furniture, used office equipment and
bent paper clips. Taking the time to sort and list the items to be
discarded is an enormous time taking task.
You don't believe me? Then offer to be responsible for doing this as a
volunteer, and promise not to hold up the process ever because of your
conflicting time requirements, vacations, sick days, etc. Volunteer to use
your own equipment and home space, and to provide public access and assume
security. Also do all the planing so the books are arranged
annually/monthly/weekly in the same order on your list, with separate
divisions for the convenience of the easily outraged patrons, such as Easy
books, children's books, juvenile, fiction, nonfiction, reference,
sub-divided and arranged by call number or author's name or title, and make
sure there are no misspellings or inaccurate data. List all periodical
issues and serials to be disposed, and be willing to locate only those
issues called for, and not all the rest.
Now, you also have to volunteer to hold all the surplus items in
storage, and in retrievable order, in case someone wants to argue with the
disposal of twenty worn copies from all the branches of Titanic movie books
filled with Leonard DiCaprio's pictures and many a junior high school
girl's hopes.
Actually, I have been there, done that, and bought the T-shirt. When I
worked in an Army post library overseas (think of a public library on a
military base, used by soldiers, their families, dependents, retirees and
government workers), when books were to be disposed, a list was made and
sent to all the other army posts, who could then pick what they wanted (if
anything) and the items would be shipped to them. The manpower of handling
this chore was not worth the value of the books, and this idiot system died
a well deserved death many years ago. However, many control freaks miss
this system which turned the library books into accountable items that the
librarian was responsible for, rather than disposable items which the
librarian is not responsible for, title by title. These terms are business
terms, and refer to the principle of having either x amount of inventory in
the library instead of a listing of each separate item. For libraries, this
has always been confusing since we use one method to help patrons find a
unique item, and another method to hold the library accountable. An
interesting and unique example of how good business practices should not be
used in a professional library system, since the benefits do not outweigh
the costs.
Can this task be done again? Certainly. All it takes is money, space
and staff. Do you have any?
Lee Hadden
rhadden@usgs.gov
Don Saklad
cc:
Subject: Reference Desks customer services
05/01/2001 excellence. Discarded Listings.
07:47 AM
How could you persuade our cities' public libraries to
be more responsive to our cities' public libraries
users/customers/consumers and to be more responsive
to our public libraries workers?...
Too often when concerns, suggestions and questions are
raised, library users and library workers raising the
concerns, suggestions and questions do not find robust
responses in a spirit of the mission of our cities'
public libraries to our communities' constituencies.
Example:
-Please forward to Bill Taylor Collections Committee BPL Board
Bill Taylor, Collections Committee BPL Board
c/o BPL Clerk Jamie McGlone jmcglone@bpl.org
Bernie Margolis, BPL President bmargolis@bpl.org
Nicholson Baker nb@well.com
Dear Bernie Margolis,
Via email, please arrange for me to read listings of
Boston Public Library discards or make the information
available via BPL web links.
Reference:
Double Fold
by Nicholas Baker
page 270 Epilogue Four Recommendations
This is another reference question about Referece Desks
and customer services excellence that stumped the BPL
team and Sally Beecher, Head Boston Public Library
General Reference Department
oo__ dWs
Guide to Problematical Library Use
http://GuideToProblematicalLibraryUse.WebLogs.com/Stories
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:59:15 -0400
From: thomas.d.fuller@us.andersen.com
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: % Azziza
No help on the book, I'm afraid, although the graph at
http://www.prenoms.com/free/prenom.php?fiche=azziza
indicates that the popularity of the name (in France, at least) spiked in the
late 1970's and early 1980's. (If "spiked" is a statistically useful term for a
name that appeared only 73 times in 100 years). I presume that the patron
already knows that the name means "dearest" in Arabic.
-- Tom
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 09:25:32 -0400
From: "Hendon, Alison"
To: "'stumpers-l@cuis.edu'"
Subj: RE: Reference Desks customer services excellence. Discarded Listi ngs.
Don Saklad writes:
>Dear Bernie Margolis,
>Via email, please arrange for me to read listings of
>Boston Public Library discards or make the information
>available via BPL web links.
Do public libraries have listings of discarded material? Not in my
experience.
ALison Hendon
speaking only for myself
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:51:41 -0400
From: Robert L Hadden
To: Don Saklad , stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subj: Discarded Listings
Dear Don Saklad:
First off, Mr. Baker doesn't know what he is talking about. While he
dismisses the libraries' problems of lack of space, budget and staff, now
that he owns 7,000 volumes of old newspaper volumes he finds he needs help
to house the collection, run the facility and make it available to the
public, and to preserve/conserve his collection. His accusations against
libraries for being held hostage to these three problems is pathetic enough
to make me laugh, if I didn't cry instead.
In these days of reducing taxes, library services are also reduced.
The number of hours the public libraries in my home county are open have
just last month come back to the same level they were in 1990 because of
cutbacks in taxes. Redundant or less important tasks are being eliminated
so more important ones can be retained. If you want more services, you will
have to fight politically against those who want to reduce taxes and
government services. Good luck, cobber!
Providing lists of weeded books by large libraries is sterile. Since
they are on their way out, once they are removed from the library catalog
they become dross, as is discarded furniture, used office equipment and
bent paper clips. Taking the time to sort and list the items to be
discarded is an enormous time taking task.
You don't believe me? Then offer to be responsible for doing this as a
volunteer, and promise not to hold up the process ever because of your
conflicting time requirements, vacations, sick days, etc. Volunteer to use
your own equipment and home space, and to provide public access and assume
security. Also do all the planing so the books are arranged
annually/monthly/weekly in the same order on your list, with separate
divisions for the convenience of the easily outraged patrons, such as Easy
books, children's books, juvenile, fiction, nonfiction, reference,
sub-divided and arranged by call number or author's name or title, and make
sure there are no misspellings or inaccurate data. List all periodical
issues and serials to be disposed, and be willing to locate only those
issues called for, and not all the rest.
Now, you also have to volunteer to hold all the surplus items in
storage, and in retrievable order, in case someone wants to argue with the
disposal of twenty worn copies from all the branches of Titanic movie books
filled with Leonard DiCaprio's pictures and many a junior high school
girl's hopes.
Actually, I have been there, done that, and bought the T-shirt. When I
worked in an Army post library overseas (think of a public library on a
military base, used by soldiers, their families, dependents, retirees and
government workers), when books were to be disposed, a list was made and
sent to all the other army posts, who could then pick what they wanted (if
anything) and the items would be shipped to them. The manpower of handling
this chore was not worth the value of the books, and this idiot system died
a well deserved death many years ago. However, many control freaks miss
this system which turned the library books into accountable items that the
librarian was responsible for, rather than disposable items which the
librarian is not responsible for, title by title. These terms are business
terms, and refer to the principle of having either x amount of inventory in
the library instead of a listing of each separate item. For libraries, this
has always been confusing since we use one method to help patrons find a
unique item, and another method to hold the library accountable. An
interesting and unique example of how good business practices should not be
used in a professional library system, since the benefits do not outweigh
the costs.
Can this task be done again? Certainly. All it takes is money, space
and staff. Do you have any?
Lee Hadden
rhadden@usgs.gov
Don Saklad
cc:
Subject: Reference Desks customer services
05/01/2001 excellence. Discarded Listings.
07:47 AM
How could you persuade our cities' public libraries to
be more responsive to our cities' public libraries
users/customers/consumers and to be more responsive
to our public libraries workers?...
Too often when concerns, suggestions and questions are
raised, library users and library workers raising the
concerns, suggestions and questions do not find robust
responses in a spirit of the mission of our cities'
public libraries to our communities' constituencies.
Example:
-Please forward to Bill Taylor Collections Committee BPL Board
Bill Taylor, Collections Committee BPL Board
c/o BPL Clerk Jamie McGlone jmcglone@bpl.org
Bernie Margolis, BPL President bmargolis@bpl.org
Nicholson Baker nb@well.com
Dear Bernie Margolis,
Via email, please arrange for me to read listings of
Boston Public Library discards or make the information
available via BPL web links.
Reference:
Double Fold
by Nicholas Baker
page 270 Epilogue Four Recommendations
This is another reference question about Referece Desks
and customer services excellence that stumped the BPL
team and Sally Beecher, Head Boston Public Library
General Reference Department
oo__ dWs
Guide to Problematical Library Use
http://GuideToProblematicalLibraryUse.WebLogs.com/Stories
================================================================================
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:02:43 -0500
From: Mary Spila
To:
Cc: "'stumpers-l@cuis.edu'"
Subj: Re: Reference Desks customer services excellence. Discarded Listi ngs.
We just finished a large non-fiction weed over the winter, and I suppose
one could have created a report of materials with the status of "To be
Withdrawn". However, by the time things are weeded here, the items are
in pretty grim shape, and anything that might possibly be wanted is
pulled for the ongoing "Items for Sale" shelves.
Some university libraries, I know do get involved in an "Exchange
Program" where they would send around lists of weeded materials and
maintain the materials on shelves just in case someone would want
something. At the University I used to work for this was practically a
full time job, and over 98% of the stuff sat on the shelves for years
before we could get approval to finally pitch it.
Mary S.
"Hendon, Alison" wrote:
> Don Saklad writes:
>
> >Dear Bernie Margolis,
> >Via email, please arrange for me to read listings of
> >Boston Public Library discards or make the information
> >available via BPL web links.
>
> Do public libraries have listings of discarded material? Not in my
> experience.
>
> ALison Hendon
> speaking only for myself
--
Mary M. Spila
Reference Librarian
East Shore Public Library
Dauphin County Library System
WWW.DCLS.ORG
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:00:38 -0400
From: ibbetson
To: Robert L Hadden
Cc: Don Saklad , stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Discarded Listings
At 08:51 AM 5/1/2001 -0400, Robert L Hadden wrote:
> Actually, I have been there, done that, and bought the T-shirt. When I
>worked in an Army post library overseas (think of a public library on a
>military base, used by soldiers, their families, dependents, retirees and
>government workers), when books were to be disposed, a list was made and
>sent to all the other army posts, who could then pick what they wanted (if
>anything) and the items would be shipped to them. The manpower of handling
>this chore was not worth the value of the books, and this idiot system died
>a well deserved death many years ago. However, many control freaks miss
>this system which turned the library books into accountable items that the
>librarian was responsible for, rather than disposable items which the
>librarian is not responsible for, title by title.
As everybody on this list must know, I am not a librarian. I write as a user.
I feel strongly that weeding should not be performed on a branch basis, but
for a library system. (I am not referring to removing damaged books.
Though, if it's the only copy in the system and is out of print it may need
to be professionally conserved, even in a public library system.)
I am also unhappy with the local purchase system, under which paper-backs
are only classified as "popular novel" or whatever, with the result that
they aren't found when I want to reserve a particular book.
-------------------
Going off on a tangent, why are reserved books returned to their home
branch? Generally, why do books have a home branch. If a book is reserved
from a particular branch that's evidence that it's needed in the area
served by that branch. Leaving returned books at the branch they are
returned to would migrate books to where they're wanted.
In the days of paper records such a system would have been impractical,
today it can easily be done. Has it been tried? Are there some major
disadvantages? Do all the books migrate to a small branch that lacks space?
What does happen?
David the idiotic ib
David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4
mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com
Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:09:09 -0400
From: "Hendon, Alison"
To: 'ibbetson '
Cc: "'stumpers-l@cuis.edu'"
Subj: RE: Discarded Listings & Local Holdings
David Ibbetson wrote:
-------------------
Going off on a tangent, why are reserved books returned to their home
branch? Generally, why do books have a home branch. If a book is
reserved
from a particular branch that's evidence that it's needed in the area
served by that branch. Leaving returned books at the branch they are
returned to would migrate books to where they're wanted.
In the days of paper records such a system would have been impractical,
today it can easily be done. Has it been tried? Are there some major
disadvantages? Do all the books migrate to a small branch that lacks
space?
What does happen?
David, in the system in which I work (Brooklyn Public Library) we have 58
branches, each with their own allotted budgets. Branches select books for
their collection according to their community interest - and we have a very
diverse community in Brooklyn. If Branch A has bought a book, and Branch B
has not, and a patron at Branch B requests it - fine. It will be sent to
Branch B. But when returned it will be sent back to A (as you state)
because A paid for it and A thinks that their community will be interested
in the book. Librarians at Branch B are able to ask Collection Development
to either buy them a copy or to put the book on a list to be purchased again
in the future.
The major disadvantage that I can see is loss of local control which is very
important to us. And that the books may end up where there is 1 patron (who
requested the books) interested, vs. at the branch that bought it where more
may be interested.
Does this help at all?
Alison Hendon
Speaking only for herself
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:29:44 -0400
From: Donna Kotting
To: stumpers-L@cuis.edu
Subj:
I am trying to find the title of a book I read long ago with my daughter.
I was told that I could write to this email address and that many people
would try to help! Thank you in advance to those who reply. I hope the
policy is to reply directly to the person with the question since I don't
belong to the listserv to read answers.
The book was about a young boy who lived in the trees in a fantasy world.
Homes were built in the trees, and people moved from branch to branch to
visit others. The people were unaware of another group living underground
in tunnels below the trees. There was a computer game modeled on the
story which my daughter and I used to play on an Apple IIe computer. I
vaguely remember that berry bushes were important and that there were
treasures underground. I don't remember much more, but my nostalgic
daughter (after being away at college for her first year) has been
thinking of special things we shared together when she was young, and
would love to find a copy of the book. Does this sound familiar to anyone?
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:41:06 -0400
From: Hilary Caws-Elwitt
To: stumpers
Subj: * 2 art terms from definitions
Many, many thanks to Donna Burton, Karen Weiss, John Dyson, Jon George, Tom
Fuller, and anyone else who may chime in on this question. The patron likes
"allegory" for #1 and "contrapposto" for #2. I asked her to let me know if
she finds out for sure what was meant, so there may be a follow-up. Thanks
again!
--
Hilary Caws-Elwitt, Public Services Librarian -- sctylibrary@stny.rr.com
Susquehanna County Library, 2 Monument Sq, Montrose PA 18801 --
570-278-1881
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:03:02 -0400
From: Hilary Caws-Elwitt
To: Donna Kotting
Cc: stumpers-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: book about boy living in trees
This sounds like _Below the Root_ by Zilpha Keatley Snyder, a wonderful
book (just re-read it a few years ago and it holds up). I didn't know it
was a game, but that was confirmed at the Amazon page:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0689304579/qid=988732796/sr=1-4/ref=sc_b_5/107-0954870-5562164
Most large children's collections would have it, I think, so check your
local library as it appears to be out of print. If you want to buy it, try
http://www.bookfinder.com or the like.
--
Hilary Caws-Elwitt, Public Services Librarian -- sctylibrary@stny.rr.com
Susquehanna County Library, 2 Monument Sq, Montrose PA 18801 --
570-278-1881
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:31:20 -0500
From: "Bratton, Phyllis"
To: 'ibbetson' , 'Robert L Hadden'
Cc: 'Don Saklad' ,
Subj: RE: Discarded Listings
David --
Here in ND, the State Library usually holds the last copy of a book in
state.
Libraries around the state check to see if they are discarding the last
copy,
and if so, send it on. Does this happen always? Probably not. Does the SL
keep everything that gets sent to them? Probably not. But it is one way of
keeping things available locally (believe me, this IS local in our
situation)
and assigning responsibility.
I think also that one has to consider the costs of maintaining a rarely used
item against the costs of borrowing it through ILL. Of course SOMEONE has
to
keep a copy in order for others to borrow it, but it is ultimately cheaper
to
discard several hundred unused volumes and borrow back the 10 or so that
were
mistakenly put in this category than it is to build an extension on to the
library and hire the staff to maintain it.
Phyllis
Phyllis Ann K. Bratton
Director, Raugust Library
6070 College Lane
Jamestown, ND 58405
(701) 252-3467, ext.2433
pbratton@jc.edu
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:40:57 -0400
From: Beverly Choltco-Devlin
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ?United Nations Cemetery and MacArthur
One of our patrons believes that Douglas MacArthur was present at the
dedication ceremony of the United Nations Cemetery in Pusan, Korea and
possibly even gave the dedication address. They would like to confirm
that MacArthur was present and the date of the dedication. I have
checked every MacArthur biography and Korean War book that we have here,
several websites and have sent email messages to several people in Pusan
(including a tourist webpage for Pusan) with no luck. Any help that you
could offer would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Beverly
--
Beverly Choltco-Devlin
Reference Specialist
Mid-York Library System
1600 Lincoln Avenue
Utica, NY 13502
voice: 315-735-8328
fax: 315-735-0943
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 00:50:10 +0800
From: timothypwee@nlb.gov.sg
To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Discarded Listings - Books Not Returned Home
It's been tried here. The problem with books wandering all over a library system
without a home branch is that they tend to migrate in certain patterns - some
branches are popular for dropping off books while others get borrowed from
heavily. If books are not returned to their home branch, some branches will
rapidly develop storage problems while others will end up with empty shelves
(usually the downtown libraries where people borrow from). The other problem is
number of copies per title at a branch. Just by random chance, a handful of
popular titles will end up concentrated at certain branches and absent at
others.
Timothy Pwee
Librarian
Singapore
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:20:43 -0500
From: Sam Shipley
To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ?What Color is ""Goaling Green""?
Have a patron who has seen reference to "goaling green" as a particular
shade of green. Can anyone tell us more about this color and about the
origination of the term?
Thank you for your help.
//////////////////////////
Sam Shipley
Reference
Dodge City Public Library
1001 Second Avenue
Dodge City, KS 67801
phone: 1-800-657-2533
fax: 316-225-0252
e-mail: iyam@trails.net
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 13:46:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: Lois Fundis
To: Sam Shipley
Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?What Color is ""Goaling Green""?
At 12:20 PM 05/01/2001 -0500, Sam Shipley wrote:
>Have a patron who has seen reference to "goaling green" as a particular
>shade of green. Can anyone tell us more about this color and about the
>origination of the term?
Sam,
I can't find "goaling green" as a phrase anywhere. Google asked me if I mean
"bowling green"!
However, when I left the quotation marks off the phrase I found some
references to Irish sports, apparently especially hurling, that indicate
that it "raises the green" (a green flag is raised) when a player succeeds
in "goaling" (scoring a goal):
http://www.homestead.com/stradballysport/OLDNOTES.html
FROM THE ARCHIVES
The following piece comes from March 1931and
detailed a Junior
Football Championship match between Stradbally and
Touraneena.
"G.A.A. Stradbally V Touraneena
A Drawn Game at Dungarvan on Sunday.
In the opening minutes Stradbally were dangerous,
but a strong
defence held the line. Both teams were now getting
into their stride,
and the leather was kept moving at a fast pace.
After fifteen minutes
Stradbally opened the scoring with a point.
Touraneena pressed from
the delivery, and were awarded a free but drove
wide. Stradbally
after a fine passing bout brought play into their
opponents half, and a
'fifty' resulted. The free was well directed, but
Touraneena effected a
good save, and play quickly changed to the other
end, where
Touraneena raised the green flag. Before the
interval Stradbally lost a
good chance of goaling, when one of their forwards
let the ball fall
outside and no one but the goalie to beat. The
short whistle left
Touraneena leading by one goal to one point."
To be continued
and later on the same page:
UNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
Stradbally 1-07 Nire 1-11
We played the Nire in this decider last Saturday
afternoon in Abbeyside
and our interest in football for this year is now
over. Robbie Aherne
opened our account soon into the game with Eoin
Cunningham pointing
two frees, sandwiched in between by a point from the
foot of the
impressive Alan Darcy. Unfortunately the Nire had
amassed a total of
1-07 in the first period.
Six points down going into the second half is a big
total to pull back.
We outscored our opponents alright in this half but
not by enough.
Robbie Aherne put over another point as he had done
at the start of
the game. Paul Casey from mid-field scored our
sixth point before Alan
Darcy stormed through to smash a goal and raise the
green. The same
player lofted over another point soon later. But
the final score read
1-11 to 1-07 to the men from Ballymac to whom we
wish the best of
luck in the next round.
Team:K Kirwan, P Walsh, J Halpin, D Power, P Doyle,
K Coffey, D
Coffey, P Casey, E Cummins, E Cunningham, R Aherne,
M O'Brien, T
Kiely, A Darcy, C Cleary, P Kiely, J Curran, R Gough.
and still later on the same page (it's a long page):
SENIOR HURLING
STRADBALLY 2-10 ERINS OWN 1-10
There is little doubt that this encounter had much
as stake as the
Taysiders had to prove their potential against city
side Erins Own and
while the reds did not play to their previous
performances, a win by a
goal at the conclusion was a well deserved win.
Glimpses of two
months ago were evident in spells throughout the
game but our game
will improve.
Ten minutes on the clock and scores were level with
Michael Walsh
and Trevor Curran points before another Curran point
edged us ahead
only for Erins Own to come back to equal status.
Predatory full
forward George delivered the first goal of the match
with an excellent
groundstroke soon later. The City side responded
with three points
before another Walsh clinical groundstroke restored
our lead after an
excellent delivery from Stephen Cunningham to raise
a green flag. Our
lead could have been increased were it not for an
excellent save from
a Niall Curran pile driver. Cunningham then passed
to Curran for an
excellent point to leave the interval score at 2-04
to 0-6 in favour of the
Reds.
The same player increased our lead on the resumption
with a point
before George Walsh set up Trevor Curran for a
superb point. Curran
then pointed again from an acute angle. Erin's Own
came back with
two points before Damian Byrne who had been moved
from full back to
full forward, was taken down in the penalty area.
Our opponent's
keeper travelled the full length of the field in
Davy Fitzgerald fashion to
blast the slioter to the net. Our lead was now the
minimum, one point.
Hope was restored with a Trevor Curran point but an
opposing score
from a free cancelled this out. Whatever lingering
hopes of victory
were being eroded rapidly by our opponents until the
final minutes
when Stephen Cunningham who sailed through the
defence for the
best score of the match delivered the best score of
the match. Our
victory was sealed by a Trevor Curran point to give
us a morale
boasting win.
Team: L O'Brien, K Coffey, J Halpin, O Costello, K
Coffey, T Walsh, P
Kiely, J Coffey, G Power, S Cunningham, J Hearne, M
Walsh, T Curran,
G Walsh, A Darcy, N Curran, E O'Brien.
I stopped after that; there may be still more references.
The only indication of a particular shade of green is a green button at the
top of the page that takes you back to their homepage,
http://www.homestead.com/stradballysport/waterford.html
* * * *
Lois Aleta Fundis, Reference ^~~~~^ and Gov't. Documents Librarian
Mary H. Weir Public Library, (O) (O) Weirton, WV 26062
fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us . \/ . 304-797-8510 (fax -8526)
"Carpe librum!"
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:56:40 -0600
From: "T.F. Mills"
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?What Color is ""Goaling Green""?
On 1 May 2001, at 12:20, Sam Shipley wrote:
> Have a patron who has seen reference to "goaling green" as a particular
> shade of green. Can anyone tell us more about this color and about the
> origination of the term?
I think you are looking for "gosling" green. It's a brownish green.
The term was very common in the 18th century, and still survives.
T.F. Mills
tfmills@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado, USA)
Stumpers-L Unofficial Pages:
http://wombats.areawesome.net
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 13:52:22 -0400
From: "Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian ****"
To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subj: another hunt -
All;
This is my week for tough requests! - I'm now also looking for alt. access
to a database called NAPRALERT from the university of Ill. @ Urbana
Descriptives say it's a STN database - Other searches seem to put it in
Dialog but I wasn't successful locating it there. Has anyone used this
db before/can tell me what universities & commercial services offer access
to NAPRALERT?(acronym for NAtural PRoducts ALERT)
Karen Mahnk
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State of Florida Public Defender,
11th Judicial Circuit
1320 NW 14th Street, Suite 330
Miami, Fl.,33125
(305)545-1889 FAX (305)545-1694 ~~opinions are my own and not of my
employer~~
Contents is intended only for the recipient(s) listed above &
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 13:17:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "John P. Dyson"
To: Stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Singing psalms in Italian (was Translate Latin Motet)
I include this solely for the archives, realizing that it may be of scant
interest. The question came up a few days ago about the existence of an
Italian analogue to Latin "psallo (psallere)" and its possible conjugation
class. I have located an obsolete verb "psallere" in Italian. Its form
reveals it to be ecclesiastical/learned Italian (the retention of the
initial "ps"), but it also shows that it entered Italian in the second
conjugation; i.e., in the equivalent of its original third conjugation
in Latin. That seems to argue for "psallat" as subjunctive in the motet
in question.
Source: Alfred Hoare, AN ITALIAN DICTIONARY (2nd ed.), Cambridge
Universitry Press, 1925.
John Dyson
Spanish and Portuguese
Indiana University
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:05:05 -0600
From: "T.F. Mills"
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: floating collections (was: Discarded Listings)
On 1 May 2001, at 10:00, ibbetson wrote:
> Going off on a tangent, why are reserved books returned to their home
> branch? Generally, why do books have a home branch. If a book is reserved
> from a particular branch that's evidence that it's needed in the area
> served by that branch. Leaving returned books at the branch they are
> returned to would migrate books to where they're wanted.
>
> In the days of paper records such a system would have been impractical,
> today it can easily be done. Has it been tried? Are there some major
> disadvantages? Do all the books migrate to a small branch that lacks space?
> What does happen?
The ability to do this would depend on the ILS's ability to float
collections, and the willingness of the library district to do so. For
some districts with very diverse branches and special collections
this would be impractical. For a fairly homogenous district with
strong central control, this is a good idea. Patrons have the luxury
of returning a book to the most convenient branch. The library then
assumes that is where the book should most logically reside. This
then becomes a valuable indicator for collection development and
branch growth.
I think the first library system to implement this scheme was Pikes
Peak Library District in Colorado Springs under its then director
"Mr. Electronic Library" Ken Dowlin (ca. 1980). (His claim to fame
subsequently met doom at SFPL.) The home-grown circulation
system that permitted this was very primitive, and was continued
with migration to CARL ca. 1986. The district is now migrating to
SIRSI, and although I am out of touch with the inner workings, I
would expect the choice of SIRSI to revolve heavily around the
ability to perpetuate this scheme.
T.F. Mills
tfmills@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado, USA)
Stumpers-L Unofficial Pages:
http://wombats.areawesome.net
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:18:00 -0700
From: "DeFato, Joan"
To: "'Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian ****'" ,
Subj: RE: another hunt -
Did you look at this page? http://www.cas.org/ONLINE/DBSS/napralertss.html
Joan DeFato
Plant Science Library
The Arboretum of Los Angeles County
301 North Baldwin Avenue
Arcadia, CA 91007-2697
Phone: (626) 821-3213 Fax: (626) 445-1217
-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian **** [mailto:karenpdo@gate.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:52 AM
To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subject: another hunt -
All;
This is my week for tough requests! - I'm now also looking for alt. access
to a database called NAPRALERT from the university of Ill. @ Urbana
Descriptives say it's a STN database - Other searches seem to put it in
Dialog but I wasn't successful locating it there. Has anyone used this
db before/can tell me what universities & commercial services offer access
to NAPRALERT?(acronym for NAtural PRoducts ALERT)
Karen Mahnk
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:31:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Riffe
To: Beverly Choltco-Devlin , stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: % Re: ?United Nations Cemetery and MacArthur
According to:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.lifeinkorea.com/cgi-bin/travinfonjs.cfm%3FTravelID%3D313+UN+Memorial+Cemetery&hl=en&client=googlet
The Cemetery covers over 35 acres and was
established by the United Nations Command
on January 18, 1951, when interments were
begun. Remains were transferred from six
other cemeteries located at Gaeseong,
Incheon, Daejeon, Daegu, Miryang, and Masan. The
dedication ceremony was held on April 5, 1951. The
Korean government granted the land to the United
Nations without charge, in perpetuity, as a
permanent tribute to all those who gave up their
lives in resisting aggression in Korea and in
upholding the cause of peace and freedom from
1950-53.
MacArthur was not sent home from Korea until April
11. Less then a week after the cemetery was
dedicated so it is possible he was at the dedication
ceremony but I can't find anything to confirm that
theory.
John Riffe
Parmly Billings Library
510 N. Broadway
Billings MT 59101
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Alfred Hitchcock
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 14:31:34 -0400
From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ?Russian poet
Does anyone know of the poem or poet (supposedly Russian, circa 1960) who
wrote "Never tell lies to school children"?
Ted Nesbitt
West Liberty State College, WV
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 13:54:28 -0400
From: ibbetson
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Discarded listings
I want to thank the w*mb*ts who have explained to me some of the realities
of operating within an underfunded library system.
A few years back my local branch was downgraded to the status of satellite
to another branch. Books were sold off cheap (that's how I got my
out-of-date Britannica) and shelves were spread out to hide the fact that
there were less books. We also lost a reference librarian to somewhere else
in the system. . . .
Nowadays I make most of my reservations by computer and mainly visit the
branch for pick-up and return. I hate to imagine what my habits do to
computer-calculated figures on the relative importance of various branches.
David ib
Tiresome, complaining, a praiser of the times that were when he was
a boy, a castigator and censor of the young generation -- Horace
David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4
mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com
Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 14:59:24 -0400
From: David B G Kresh
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu, tedjnesbitt@netscape.net
Subj: Re: ?Russian poet
A Russian poet circa 1960 whom we Americans have heard of is probably
Yevtushenko, and in fact a line very close to this is the first line
of his poem "Lies," which can be found several places by doing a
search on www.google.com under: yevtushenko lies
David Kresh
Humanities & Social Sciences Division
Library of Congress
dakr@loc.gov
>>> 05/01 2:31 PM >>>
Does anyone know of the poem or poet (supposedly Russian, circa 1960)
who
wrote "Never tell lies to school children"?
Ted Nesbitt
West Liberty State College, WV
__________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:26:18 -0400
From: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net
To: dakr@loc.gov
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?Russian poet
Thanks, David. I didn't find the line at the beginning of the poem, but
near the end. I'm hoping that this is it.
Ted Nesbitt
"David B G Kresh" wrote:
>
> A Russian poet circa 1960 whom we Americans have heard of is probably
> Yevtushenko, and in fact a line very close to this is the first line
> of his poem "Lies," which can be found several places by doing a
> search on www.google.com under: yevtushenko lies
>
> David Kresh
> Humanities & Social Sciences Division
> Library of Congress
> dakr@loc.gov
>
> >>> 05/01 2:31 PM >>>
> Does anyone know of the poem or poet (supposedly Russian, circa 1960)
> who
> wrote "Never tell lies to school children"?
>
> Ted Nesbitt
> West Liberty State College, WV
> __________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:32:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Early
To: "DeFato, Joan" ,
Subj: RE: another hunt -
The _Gale Directory of Databases_ (2001, Part 2)lists
it as available by dial-up from the U. of Ill. at
Chicago, College of Pharmacy, Program for
Collaborative
Research in the Pharmaceutical Sciences (PCRPS), STN,
and CompuServe. There's also a website with contact
information at http://www.ag.uiuc.edu/~ffh/napra.html
--- "DeFato, Joan" wrote:
> Did you look at this page?
> http://www.cas.org/ONLINE/DBSS/napralertss.html
>
> Joan DeFato
> Plant Science Library
> The Arboretum of Los Angeles County
> 301 North Baldwin Avenue
> Arcadia, CA 91007-2697
> Phone: (626) 821-3213 Fax: (626) 445-1217
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian ****
> [mailto:karenpdo@gate.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:52 AM
> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu
> Subject: another hunt -
>
>
> All;
> This is my week for tough requests! - I'm now also
> looking for alt. access
> to a database called NAPRALERT from the university
> of Ill. @ Urbana
> Descriptives say it's a STN database - Other
> searches seem to put it in
> Dialog but I wasn't successful locating it there.
> Has anyone used this
> db before/can tell me what universities & commercial
> services offer access
> to NAPRALERT?(acronym for NAtural PRoducts ALERT)
> Karen Mahnk
>
>
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:09:52 -0400
From: cci
To: ibbetson , stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Under funded libraries
Reality: If the local library community, which includes patrons, does not get their
local Foundation off their doff to raise permanent funds to produce permanent incomes, the
community deserves what it should have expected. Government spending and local taxes
will produce less and less.
The Foundation is there to RAISE money not merely collect envelopes.
If they say "How do we do that?", you have the wrong members and a poor
chairman---BOTH!.
Above remarks are those of the undersigned and are not meant state the position of
the WLPL administration or staff.
John Seonac
Music Reference West Lafayette PL
Fx: 765 463 5695
cci@nlci.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "ibbetson"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:54 PM
Subject: Discarded listings
> I want to thank the w*mb*ts who have explained to me some of the realities
> of operating within an underfunded library system.
>
> A few years back my local branch was downgraded to the status of satellite
> to another branch. Books were sold off cheap (that's how I got my
> out-of-date Britannica) and shelves were spread out to hide the fact that
> there were less books. We also lost a reference librarian to somewhere else
> in the system. . . .
>
> Nowadays I make most of my reservations by computer and mainly visit the
> branch for pick-up and return. I hate to imagine what my habits do to
> computer-calculated figures on the relative importance of various branches.
>
> David ib
> Tiresome, complaining, a praiser of the times that were when he was
> a boy, a castigator and censor of the young generation -- Horace
>
> David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4
> mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com
> Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:49:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Donna Burton
To: tedjnesbitt@netscape.net
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?Russian poet
Found this text:
Do not tell lies to children, who are trusting,
do not convince them of a lying word,
do not assure them that there is nothing
except for peace and quiet in the world.
Do not deceive the kids, by any means,
by building for them castles in the air.
Don't try to teach them to believe in things
which we do not believe in, as it were.
He who deludes a child will make him isolated,
confuse on purpose honor with disgrace.
Let children see both what will happen later
and what, in fact, is going on these days.
A nice sweet lie is poison in the ladle.
Don't pardon puppies a mendacious whine.
and our kids will not forgive us later
for our being forgiving down the line.
It as at this URL:
http://lat.www.vladivostok.com/Speaking_In_Tongues/yevtushenko.html
about half way down the scroll.
On Tue, 1 May 2001 tedjnesbitt@netscape.net wrote:
> Does anyone know of the poem or poet (supposedly Russian, circa 1960) who
> wrote "Never tell lies to school children"?
Donna Burton
Schaffer Library, Union College
Schenectady, NY 12308
burtond@union.edu
Phone and voice mail: 518-388-6635
Fax: 518-388-6641
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:30:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Dunham, Christopher"
To: 'Glen Wiles'
Cc: "'stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu'"
Subj: RE: Virus Found in message ""Bruce
8-24-99
4th Block
6. What is "
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 16:28:00 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Glen,
For your information, my virus protection found one in your message..
Christopher S. Dunham, Reference Librarian
DiMenna-Nyselius Library, Fairfield University
1073 North Benson Road
Fairfield, CT 06430-5195
(203)254-4206
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glen Wiles [mailto:glenw@spis.net]
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:44 PM
> Subject: Virus Found in message "Bruce8-24-994th Block6.
> What is "
>
> Norton AntiVirus found a virus in an attachment from Glen Wiles.
>
>
> Attachment: setup32.exe
> Virus name: W32.Magistr.24876@mm
> Action taken: Clean succeeded :
> File status: Clean
> First ten amendments
> Listed on question #7
>
> 13. Did the electoral college ever vote unanimously for any
> President other then Georage Washington? ( I need more than a
> yes or no... give me some information..)
> yes, because James Monrol missed by one electoral
> vote.
>
> 19. Under what circumstances may the President call a
> special session of congress?
> Only under extreme and important measurers, like a war
> or earthquake.
>
> 25. Who defines the congressional districts, the United
> States or States?
> The states define congressional areas.
>
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:24:20 -0400
From: "Hartung, Steven"
To: "Stumpers--POSTING Q & A's (E-mail)"
Subj: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym
Would anyone know this? Thanks!
(Patron thinks last name begins with "P")
Steve Hartung, Pamunkey Regional Library
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:26:46 -0400
From: ibbetson
To: cci
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Under funded libraries
At 03:09 PM 5/1/2001 -0400, cci wrote:
>Reality: If the local library community, which includes patrons, does not
>get their
>local Foundation off their doff to raise permanent funds to produce
>permanent incomes, the
>community deserves what it should have expected. Government spending and
>local taxes
>will produce less and less.
Things work differently in different countries. We didn't have Foundations
such as you speak of in the UK and I haven't met one in Ontario. Our public
libraries are paid for out of the rates and in the UK a conscious effort
was and, I hope, still is made to ensure that poor areas get as good
libraries as rich areas. The aims of the Toronto Public Library service
are, I believe, similar.
For quality of service to depend on how rich the locals are is contrary to
the way that I was brought up in the UK and. It is I believe contrary to
the beliefs of most Canadians.
David
David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4
mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com
Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:48:10 -0400
From: James Lynch
To: "'Hartung, Steven'" ,
Subj: RE: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym
Hello,
You mean a pseudonym that Dexter has used? Because his name is Norman Colin
Dexter, the son of Alfred and Dorothy Dexter (Contemporary Authors, 65-68).
Gale's online literary index (http://www.galenet.com/servlet/LitIndex) lists
N. C. Dexter as the only "variant" name.
The "MacGuffin Guide to Detective Fiction" (http://www.macguffin.net/) lists
Colin Dexter under pseudonyms for Norman Colin Dexter.
Bookbrowser's (http://www.bookbrowser.com/) list of author pseudonyms
doesn't list Dexter at all.
Nom de Guerre (http://www.walshnet.com/walshnet/realname/index.html), a
listing of names used by various people, not just authors (Catherine Deneuve
was born Catherine Dorleac, who knew?) doesn't list Colin Dexter.
Are you sure he's used one?
Jim Lynch
jlynch@bccc.state.md.us
STUMPERS-L unsubscribe address is: mailserv@cuis.edu
unsubscribe message is: unsubscribe STUMPERS-L
-----Original Message-----
From: Hartung, Steven [mailto:shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org]
Sent: Tuesday, 01 May, 2001 16:24
To: Stumpers--POSTING Q & A's (E-mail)
Subject: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym
Would anyone know this? Thanks!
(Patron thinks last name begins with "P")
Steve Hartung, Pamunkey Regional Library
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:50:10 -0400
From: "John W. Bush"
To: ibbetson , cci
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Under funded libraries
It is also contrary to the beliefs of a good many Americans, including this
one. We have a collective phobia here about centralized government, which went
on extended holiday in 1933 but has been back in full force since 1980. It goes
far to explain the insufferable mess we call a health insurance system.
------------
Things work differently in different countries. We didn't have Foundations
such as you speak of in the UK and I haven't met one in Ontario. Our public
libraries are paid for out of the rates and in the UK a conscious effort
was and, I hope, still is made to ensure that poor areas get as good
libraries as rich areas. The aims of the Toronto Public Library service
are, I believe, similar.
For quality of service to depend on how rich the locals are is contrary to
the way that I was brought up in the UK and. It is I believe contrary to
the beliefs of most Canadians.
David
David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4
mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com
Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987
================================================================================
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 06:04:57 +0800
From: timothypwee@nlb.gov.sg
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: RE: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym
Could it be the client is thinking of Michael Pennington who is the narrator for
several of Dexter's audio books?
Timothy
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:03:46 -0600
From: "T.F. Mills"
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dorl=E9ac_=28was:_=3FColin_Dexter_pseudonym=29?=
On 1 May 2001, at 17:48, James Lynch wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> ... (Catheri=
ne Deneuve was born Catherine Dorl=E9ac, who knew?) ...=0D=0A=0D=0AMo=
i! Parceque j'aimais sa soeur. Real sister Fran=E7oise Dorl=E9ac=
=0D=0Aplayed Catherine's stage sister in Les Demoiselles de Rochefort=
=0D=0Ashortly before her death in a car accident in 1967 (and a handf=
ul of=0D=0Aother fun movies).=0D=0A=0D=0AT(oujours) F(ran=E7oise) Mil=
ls=0D=0Atfmills@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado, USA)=0D=0AStumpers-=
L Unofficial Pages:=0D=0Ahttp://wombats.areawesome.net=0D=0A=00=00=
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:17:18 -0500
From: Dennis Lien
To: James Lynch ,
Subj: RE: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym
At 05:48 PM 5/1/01 -0400, James Lynch wrote:
>Hello,
>
>You mean a pseudonym that Dexter has used? Because his name is Norman Colin
>Dexter, the son of Alfred and Dorothy Dexter (Contemporary Authors, 65-68).
>Gale's online literary index (http://www.galenet.com/servlet/LitIndex) lists
>N. C. Dexter as the only "variant" name.
>
>The "MacGuffin Guide to Detective Fiction" (http://www.macguffin.net/) lists
>Colin Dexter under pseudonyms for Norman Colin Dexter.
>
>Bookbrowser's (http://www.bookbrowser.com/) list of author pseudonyms
>doesn't list Dexter at all.
>
>Nom de Guerre (http://www.walshnet.com/walshnet/realname/index.html), a
>listing of names used by various people, not just authors (Catherine Deneuve
>was born Catherine Dorleac, who knew?) doesn't list Colin Dexter.
>
>Are you sure he's used one?
>
>Jim Lynch
>jlynch@bccc.state.md.us
>STUMPERS-L unsubscribe address is: mailserv@cuis.edu
>unsubscribe message is: unsubscribe STUMPERS-L
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hartung, Steven [mailto:shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org]
>Sent: Tuesday, 01 May, 2001 16:24
>To: Stumpers--POSTING Q & A's (E-mail)
>Subject: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym
>
>
>Would anyone know this? Thanks!
>(Patron thinks last name begins with "P")
>
>
>Steve Hartung, Pamunkey Regional Library
HAWK'S AUTHORS' PSEUDONYMS also lists no Colin Dexter pseuds, and 3rd
ed. of TWENTIETH CENTURY CRIME AND MYSTERY WRITERS (admittedly ten
years old) notes that he had published nonfiction as N.C. Dexter
(LIBERAL STUDIES: AN OUTLINE COURSE 1-2 with E.G. Rayner; Oxford and
New York: 1984; and GUIDE TO CONTEMPORARY POLITICS, with E.G. Rayner,
Oxford:1966) but has no hint of a "real" pseud. Nor do I recall any
mention of such in interviews etc. with him that I've read, nor does
the LC Copyright File have any pseud cross-references for him.
Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu
"The Librarian knuckled swifly through the outer regions of the
University's library, although terms like 'outer' were hardly
relevant in a library so deeply immersed in L-space. It is known
that knowledge is power, and power is energy, and energy is matter,
and therefor large accumulations of knowledge distort time and
space. This is why all bookshops look alike, and why all second-hand
bookshops seem so much bigger on the inside--and why all libraries,
everywhere, are connected. Only the innermost circle of librarians
know this, and take care to guard the secret. Civilization would
not survive for long if it was generally known that a wrong turn in
the stacks would lead into the Library of Alexandria just as the
invaders were looking for the matches, or that a tiny patch of floor
in the reference section is shared with the library in Braseneck
College where Dr. Whitbury proved that gods cannot possibly exist,
just before that rather unfortunate thunderstorm."
-- THE SCIENCE OF DISCWORLD, chapter 25, by Terry Pratchett, Ian
Stewart, and Jack Cohen (London: 1999)
================================================================================
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:19:48 -0400
From: James Lynch
To: "'timothypwee@nlb.gov.sg'" , STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: RE: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym
Our local public library has versions read by Edward Woodward, Patrick Tull,
and Kevin "Sgt. Lewis" Whately. Nice piece of thinking, Timothy.
Jim Lynch
jlynch@bccc.state.md.us
STUMPERS-L unsubscribe address is: mailserv@cuis.edu
unsubscribe message is: unsubscribe STUMPERS-L
-----Original Message-----
From: timothypwee@nlb.gov.sg [mailto:timothypwee@nlb.gov.sg]
Sent: Tuesday, 01 May, 2001 18:05
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subject: RE: ?Colin Dexter pseudonym
Could it be the client is thinking of Michael Pennington who is the narrator
for
several of Dexter's audio books?
Timothy
================================================================================
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:37:39 -0400
From: "Hartung, Steven"
To: "Stumpers--POSTING Q & A's (E-mail)"
Subj: *Colin Dexter pseudonym
Thank you, Timothy in Singapore. Michael Pennington was
indeed who the (confused) patron wanted!
Steven Hartung
Pamunkey Regional Library
Hanover, Virginia
shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org
================================================================================
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:50:10 -0400
From: "John W. Bush"
To: ibbetson , cci
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Under funded libraries
It is also contrary to the beliefs of a good many Americans, including this
one. We have a collective phobia here about centralized government, which went
on extended holiday in 1933 but has been back in full force since 1980. It goes
far to explain the insufferable mess we call a health insurance system.
------------
Things work differently in different countries. We didn't have Foundations
such as you speak of in the UK and I haven't met one in Ontario. Our public
libraries are paid for out of the rates and in the UK a conscious effort
was and, I hope, still is made to ensure that poor areas get as good
libraries as rich areas. The aims of the Toronto Public Library service
are, I believe, similar.
For quality of service to depend on how rich the locals are is contrary to
the way that I was brought up in the UK and. It is I believe contrary to
the beliefs of most Canadians.
David
David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4
mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com
Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987
================================================================================
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:17:16 -0400
From: Don Saklad
To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu, dsaklad@gnu.org
Subj: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome.
With respect to acquired immune deficiency syndrome,
what is the rate of new infections?...
...not the death rate
The data via
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1201/table3.htm
and others of those links did not make entirely clear
what is the rate of new infections.
oo__ dWs
http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com
================================================================================
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:50:10 -0400
From: "John W. Bush"
To: ibbetson , cci
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Under funded libraries
It is also contrary to the beliefs of a good many Americans, including this
one. We have a collective phobia here about centralized government, which went
on extended holiday in 1933 but has been back in full force since 1980. It goes
far to explain the insufferable mess we call a health insurance system.
------------
Things work differently in different countries. We didn't have Foundations
such as you speak of in the UK and I haven't met one in Ontario. Our public
libraries are paid for out of the rates and in the UK a conscious effort
was and, I hope, still is made to ensure that poor areas get as good
libraries as rich areas. The aims of the Toronto Public Library service
are, I believe, similar.
For quality of service to depend on how rich the locals are is contrary to
the way that I was brought up in the UK and. It is I believe contrary to
the beliefs of most Canadians.
David
David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4
mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com
Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987
================================================================================
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:44:45 -0400
From: Louise Sullivan
To: Don Saklad
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome.
Don,
Try the website for CDC's National Prevention Network, a source for
resources on the prevention of HIV, STDs, and Tuberculosis. The url is:
http://www.cdcnpin.org/
Louise Sullivan
Reference Librarian
Spokane Public Library
At 07:17 PM 5/1/01 -0400, you wrote:
>With respect to acquired immune deficiency syndrome,
>what is the rate of new infections?...
>
>...not the death rate
>
>
>The data via
>http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1201/table3.htm
>
>and others of those links did not make entirely clear
>what is the rate of new infections.
>
>
>
>
>oo__ dWs
>
>http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com
>
Louise Sullivan
Reference Librarian
Spokane Public Library
Ph: 509-444-5336
Fax: 509-444-5364
lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org
================================================================================
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 21:03:47 -0400
From: Don Saklad
To: lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org, dsaklad@gnu.org
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu, dsaklad@gnu.org
Subj: Re: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome.
Thank you Louise Sullivan!
The question is not answered at that link either!
================================================================================
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:44:21 -0700
From: Louise Sullivan
To: Don Saklad
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome.
Don,
Our local regional health department collects these statistics. They then
submit them to the state department of health. I believe that the state
submits them to the CDC. The toll free telephone number for the CDC
National Prevention Information Network is:
1-800-458-5231
Louise Sullivan
Reference Librarian
Spokane Public Library
At 07:17 PM 5/1/01 -0400, you wrote:
>With respect to acquired immune deficiency syndrome,
>what is the rate of new infections?...
>
>...not the death rate
>
>
>The data via
>http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1201/table3.htm
>
>and others of those links did not make entirely clear
>what is the rate of new infections.
>
>
>
>
>oo__ dWs
>
>http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com
>
Louise Sullivan
Reference Librarian
Spokane Public Library
Ph: 509-444-5336
Fax: 509-444-5364
lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 01:07:45 -0400
From: Don Saklad
To: lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org, dsaklad@gnu.org
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu, dsaklad@gnu.org
Subj: Re: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome.
Thanks Louise Sullivan!
In trying them and others like
Center for Population and Development Studies
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hcpds/
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/cbar/
http://www.aids.harvard.edu/
that have not had a clear answer either for the question,
What is the rate of new infections?...
another possibility now is the list server forum stumpers-l
It's really a stumper!
Kind regards,
oo__ dWs
http://notb4weknow.editthispage.com
================================================================================
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 02:17:15 -0400
From: "Dennis J. Cunniff"
To: Don Saklad , stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome.
The number of newly infected persons is the 'incidence' rate.
The number of currently infected persons is the 'prevalence' rate.
To obtain the incidence rate, you need to find the the difference
between the prevalence in a single population at two separate times and
divide by the unit of time you want the incidence in. Corrections have
to be made if there are deaths of seropositive or seronegative
individuals in the time period measured.
New cases of HIV positivity are reported only in about half of the 50
United States, and these states are not representative. So all estimates
of HIV incidence are back-calculated from the number of AIDS cases,
which are reportable in all 50 states, or from seroconversion studies
done on other defined populations.
For a discussion of the way this is done, and references, see:
The bottom line for the United States is that there is a near steady
state, with deaths from AIDS roughly equal to new infections. The death
rate is about 40,000--50,000 Americans/year, and there are also about
40,000-50,000 new infections in that year and the seroprevalence
(600,000--800,000) remains unchanged.
Dennis J. Cunniff.
==============
> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:17:16 -0400
> From: Don Saklad
> To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu, dsaklad@gnu.org
> Subj: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome.
>
> With respect to acquired immune deficiency syndrome,
> what is the rate of new infections?...
>
> ...not the death rate
>
================================================================================
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 02:34:36 -0400
From: Don Saklad
To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu, Dennis J Cunniff ,
Cc: dsaklad@gnu.org
Subj: Re: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome.
Thank you Dennis J. Cunniff !
It's enlightening reading this information that helps
make more clear the question,
What is the rate of new infections?...
while not completely clear yet
1. What is the rate of new infections?...
2. Is the rate of new infections decreasing, plateaued
or increasing?...
Kind regards,
oo__ dWs
http://notb4weknow.editthispage.com
================================================================================
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:27:06 +0200
From: md2@freenet.de
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: ? German-American journal ""Der Auswanderer""
Hello!
(Sorry for this second, and last, posting of the question.)
Here's a difficult one:
I'm looking for a German-American periodical from the 19th century called "Der Auswanderer".
Here's the info. on it:
Title: Der Auswanderer/The Emigrant [double-title]
Frequency: 2x per month (1886-1891), 1x per month (1891-1910)
Place of publication: New York/Chicago
Editor: D. Schnitzer (Office: 38 Broadway, Room 11)
Cost: 1 Dollar / 5 Mark
Additional offices in: Hamburg, Bremen, Rotterdam
I've had no success with *any* of my searches, whether electronic (WorldCat FirstSearch, various individual lib. catalogs) or non-electronic (Nat. Union Cat. of pre-1956 holdings, Nat. Union Serials, NYPL black books, major German libraries, etc). Any ideas would be *greatly* appreciated!
(Part of the difficulty searching for this title electronically is that the term "Auswanderer" appears everywhere, and I'm not so convinced that the sub-title "The Emigrant" was ever used!)
The ciculcation numbers for this journal are relatively high, so it seems unlikely that the one known copy of one issue (at the Schuecking-Museum in Sögel, Germany, and also at the Pressemuseum in Aachen, Germany) is the only one left. It's much more likely, I think, that it just never made its way into the electronic catalogs...
I'm a subscriber to the list, but, if possible, please also send positive responses directly to "md2@freenet.de".
THANK YOU!
Matthew Gaskins
================================================================================
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:46:09 +0900
From: John Garside
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Myth of Japanese Uniqueness
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Hi,
I'm looking for a copy of this out of print book --
Peter N. DALE, The Myth of Japanese Uniqueness, 1986.
Cheers
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:09:08 -0400
From: James Lynch
To: 'Stumpers'
Subj: Latin phrases (from an old surveying book)
Hello,=0D=0A=0D=0A=09A friend of mine mentioned a bit of trouble with=
some Latin phrases,=0D=0Aand I said I'd forward them on to the long-=
headed Latinophones at Stumpers=0D=0A(well, I didn't say "long-headed=
Latinophones," but you get the idea). His=0D=0Amessage follows.=0D=
=0A=0D=0ADate: Tuesday, 01 May, 2001 17:09=0D=0ASubject: Latin phrase=
s=0D=0A=0D=0A>Hail Jim,=0D=0A>=0D=0A>As I mentioned, I have a photoco=
py of an old surveying book=0D=0A>from 1725. It has several Latin in=
phrases in it that I would like to=0D=0A>get a translation for. Any=
help would be appre
ciated. The phrases (and=0D=0A>their contexts) are:=0D=0A>=0D=0A>[1]=
: On the title page as what looks like a slogan near the bottom:=0D=
=0A>=0D=0A>Socrates, hunc finem Geometrie Principalem esse statuebat;=
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he work Trigonometry.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>[2]: In the Preface:=0D=0A>=0D=
=0A>Ornari res ipsa negat content a doceri.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>From this pa=
ragraph:=0D=0A> But I shall forb
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:40:39 -0400
From: Michael VanHouten
To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subj: Indexing question
Hello everyone -=0D=0A=0D=0AA patron is looking for some simple-to-us=
e indexing software for someone who is working on a book and needs to=
develop an index.=0D=0A=0D=0ACan anyone suggest any programs that ar=
e relatively low in cost and easy to use (if there is such a thing)?=
=0D=0A=0D=0AThanks!=0D=0A=0D=0AMike=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AMichael Van Hout=
en=0D=0AAssistant Director of Libraries and Head=0D=0A of Public =
Services=0D=0AStockwell-Mudd Libraries=0D=0AAlbion College=0D=0A602 E=
. Cass St.=0D=0AAlbion, MI 49224=0D=0A517-629-0382=0D=0Amvanhouten@al=
bion.edu=0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 07:55:45 -0500
From: Lambrini Papangelis
To: Michael VanHouten
Cc: stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Indexing question
Yes, Michael, and I believe the name of the software is "ProCite."
Lambrini
Michael VanHouten wrote:
> Hello everyone -
>
> A patron is looking for some simple-to-use indexing software for someone who is working on a book and needs to develop an index.
>
> Can anyone suggest any programs that are relatively low in cost and easy to use (if there is such a thing)?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
>
> Michael Van Houten
> Assistant Director of Libraries and Head
> of Public Services
> Stockwell-Mudd Libraries
> Albion College
> 602 E. Cass St.
> Albion, MI 49224
> 517-629-0382
> mvanhouten@albion.edu
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:06:59 -0400
From: Dan Robinson
To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Cc: mvanhouten@albion.edu
Subj: RE: Indexing question
Procite is designed for constructing bibliographies not indexes. It c=
an=0D=0Agenerate lists, but none of the examples show a real index.=
=0D=0A=0D=0ADan Robinson=0D=0Adrobinson@hwwilson.com=0D=0A=0D=0A> ---=
--Original Message-----=0D=0A> From: Lambrini Papangelis [mailto:Lamb=
rini.Papangelis@wku.edu]=0D=0A> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:56 AM=
=0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> Yes, Michael, and I believe the name of the s=
oftware is "ProCite."=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Lambrini=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Michael =
VanHouten wrote:=0D=0A> =0D=0A> > Hello everyone -=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> > =
A patron is looking for some simple-to
-use indexing =0D=0A> software for someone who is working on a book a=
nd needs to =0D=0A> develop an index.=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> > Can anyone su=
ggest any programs that are relatively low in =0D=0A> cost and easy t=
o use (if there is such a thing)?=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> > Thanks!=0D=0A> >=
=0D=0A> > Mike=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> > Michael Van Houten=0D=0A> > Assistan=
t Director of Libraries and Head=0D=0A> > of Public Services=
=0D=0A> > Stockwell-Mudd Libraries=0D=0A> > Albion College=0D=0A> > 6=
02 E. Cass St.=0D=0A> > Albion, MI 49224=0D=0A> > 517-629-0382=0D=
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:06:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: wmcree@InfoAve.Net
To:
Cc: 'stumpers-lcrfcuisedu'
Subj: Quotes
Hi, all,
I have a patron looking for the source(s) of the following two quotes:
"Power is a gift of fools to cowards."
"A man may be known better by his enemies than his friends."
Any help you may give will be greatly appreciated.
Bill McRee
Greenville County Library System
Greenville, SC
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:10:43 -0600 (MDT)
From: Eva Greenberg
To: STUMPERS-L@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: *THANKS Death during Surgery
My thanks go to David Ibbetson, Allen Amet, and John Riffe for their =
answers=0D=0Ato my question as to who is responsible for the operatin=
g costs if the patient=0D=0Adies during surgery. =0D=0A=0D=0A John--I=
took you up on your suggestion and called the local hospital about=
=0D=0Athis. A person from the billing department told me very indign=
antly that=0D=0A"just because a person dies doesn't mean the hospital=
shouldn't get paid!" The=0D=0Abill would be sent to the patient's in=
surance co., through Medicaid, or the=0D=0Aestate, or to whatev
er company is handling the paperwork. I wasn't=0D=0Aconfrontational=
when I asked my question but her answer was full of=0D=0Aresentment.=
Eva=0D=0A=0D=0AEva M. Greenberg=0D=0AOberlin Public Library=0D=0AOb=
erlin, OH 44074=0D=0ATel: 440-775-4790=0D=0AFax: 440-774-2880=0D=0A=
=0D=0A_______________________________________________________________=
_____=0D=0AGet free email and a permanent address at http://www.netad=
dress.com/?N=3D1=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:36:47 -0400
From: "J. Shore"
To: Dan Robinson
Cc: stumpers-l@cuis.edu, mvanhouten@albion.edu
Subj: Re: Indexing question
Michael VanHouten wrote:
> A patron is looking for some simple-to-use indexing
> software for someone who is working on a book and needs to
> develop an index.
>
First off, I can tell you from experience that this is not the sort of
thing left to amateurs.
I took a course on Indexing and Abstracting for my MLS which included
practical examples such as indexing a chapter from a book. It is not an
easy task (even for the person who wrote the book).
That said, I'd advise the patron to check out the web site for the
American Society of Indexers. (http://www.asindexing.org/)
Under Resources, there is a link to Software tools. Some of these tools
have free demo versions available for "experimenting" with. I tried at
least two during my course. (Yes, it was allowed -- even encouraged.) I
personally preferred just typing terms and pages into a Word table.
While at the ASI site s/he can also find other suggestions about
indexing, including answers to FAQ and lists of books for reference.
J.
--
Mr. J. Shore
Serials Librarian / Cataloger
Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library
shorej@thpl.org
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:07:05 -0400
From: ibbetson
To: dsaklad@gnu.org
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome.
I haven't intervened previously, but in the 1660s it was noted that true
death rates from venereal diseases (then syphilis) are unobtainable because
death certificates aren't honestly completed. IIRC you will find a
discussion in the Stumpers archives, which includes the following quotation:
-----------------------------
Foreasmuch as by the ordinary discourse of the world it seems a great part
of men have, at one time or other, had some species of this disease
[Syphilis], I wondering why so few died of it, especially because I could
not take that to be so harmless, whereof so many complained very fiercely;
upon enquiry, I found that those who died of it out of the hospitals*
(especially that of Kingsland, and the Lock in Southwark) were returned as
ulcers and sores. And in brief, I found, that all mentioned to die of the
French Pox were returned by the clerks of St Giles' and St Martin's in the
Fields only, in which places I understood that most of the vilest and most
miserable houses of uncleanness were: from whence I concluded, that only
hated persons, and such, whose very noses were eaten off were reported by
the searchers to have died of this too frequent malady
-- _The economic Writings of Sir William Petty together with the
Observations upon the Bills of Mortality more probably by Captain John
Graunt_, Ed. Prof Hull, Cambridge, 1899
* Here "out of the hospitals" means "from the hospitals".
David ib
David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4
mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com
Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:17:08 -0400
From: Joan M O'Kane
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: REFQ: Jewish History
A colleague is trying to verify a date in Jewish history. He found a
web site
http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/bhyom/may.htm that says that on May 14,
1637, the Jews of Venice were denied the right to practice law. He
would like to
verify this date and perhaps find out more about it.
Does anyone know anything about this event or can you suggest a source
where I might be able to find more information? I checked the
Encyclopedia Judaica, but found nothing. The web site is based on the
book Day by Day in Jewish History, but the book doesn't have any more
detail than the web site.
Please reply to me directly as I am not a Stumpers member (just a fan!).
Many Thanks!
Joan O'Kane
Senior Information Specialist
Fannie Mae
Research & Information Center
3900 Wisconsin Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20016-2892
202-752-7493 phone
202-752-6134 fax
joan_m_o'kane@fanniemae.com
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:49:19 -0500
From: Sam Shipley
To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related?
Have a patron who would like to know if the French verbs "gesir" (with an
accent aigu over the "e")
and "giter" (with an accent circonflex over the "i") are related in their
derivations, not just in their meanings.
Thanks for any help.
//////////////////////////
Sam Shipley
Reference
Dodge City Public Library
1001 Second Avenue
Dodge City, KS 67801
phone: 1-800-657-2533
fax: 316-225-0252
e-mail: iyam@trails.net
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:42:33 -0700
From: Louise Sullivan
To: Joan M O'Kane
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: REFQ: Jewish History
Joan,
You might want to check the book The Course in Modern Jewish History by
Howard Sachar. It's been a long time since I read it and my library
doesn't own it so I can't confirm that it will have this information. In
fact, Sachar is a professor of history at George Washington University (my
alma mater!). I checked GW's website, his phone number is 202-994-6428.
His email address is sachar@gwu.edu.
If that doesn't work, you might want to contact the Judaic Studies
department at GW at 202-994-2190. The Gelman Library at GW has an
extensive Judaic collection. The phone number for the library is
202-994-6455.
I hope this helps.
Louise Sullivan
Reference Librarian
Spokane Public Library
At 11:17 AM 5/2/01 -0400, you wrote:
>A colleague is trying to verify a date in Jewish history. He found a
>web site
>http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/bhyom/may.htm that says that on May 14,
>1637, the Jews of Venice were denied the right to practice law. He
>would like to
>verify this date and perhaps find out more about it.
>
>Does anyone know anything about this event or can you suggest a source
>where I might be able to find more information? I checked the
>Encyclopedia Judaica, but found nothing. The web site is based on the
>book Day by Day in Jewish History, but the book doesn't have any more
>detail than the web site.
>
>Please reply to me directly as I am not a Stumpers member (just a fan!).
>
>Many Thanks!
>
>Joan O'Kane
>Senior Information Specialist
>Fannie Mae
>Research & Information Center
>3900 Wisconsin Ave., NW
>Washington, DC 20016-2892
>202-752-7493 phone
>202-752-6134 fax
>joan_m_o'kane@fanniemae.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
Louise Sullivan
Reference Librarian
Spokane Public Library
Ph: 509-444-5336
Fax: 509-444-5364
lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:00:40 -0400
From: Lesley Lawrence
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Overheard at Borders
Hi all--
This is slightly off-topic, but I thought librarians would appreciate it.
I went out to Borders Books after work yesterday. There was a little boy,
approx. 4-5 yrs., there with his father. I overheard him say, "This is a
library store, isn't it, Daddy?"
Now that's a kid who's been raised right!
Lesley Lawrence
U.S. Courts Library
Wilmington, DE
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:17:44 -0500
From: Lambrini Papangelis
To: Sam Shipley
Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related?
Dear Sam,
Your question is very hard! I'll work on it after lunch.
Lambrini
First-prize winner, National French Contest (1978)
Sam Shipley wrote:
> Have a patron who would like to know if the French verbs "gesir" (with an
> accent aigu over the "e")
> and "giter" (with an accent circonflex over the "i") are related in their
> derivations, not just in their meanings.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> //////////////////////////
> Sam Shipley
> Reference
> Dodge City Public Library
> 1001 Second Avenue
> Dodge City, KS 67801
> phone: 1-800-657-2533
> fax: 316-225-0252
> e-mail: iyam@trails.net
> //////////////////////////
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:30:24 +0100
From: janice.sim@newport.ac.uk
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: * Bogart """"even the dead can talk""""
Tom,
Many thanks for this.
Gosh! reply from the songwriters themselves - you have excellent contacts!
There are now about 400 members of Pete's email discussion list Midnight
Voices combing the TV schedules for The Enforcer/ Murder, Inc. all ready to
check it out!
Janice
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:40:03 -0400
From: thomas.d.fuller@us.andersen.com
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Cc: nigel.rees@btinternet.com
Subj: % Bogart ""even the dead can talk""
Nigel Rees sent me the following message he got from Pete Atkin about this
quotation:
*************************
Pete's message:
OK. Now I've asked Clive about Bogart and "even the dead can talk". He
said
it was from a 1960 movie called 'Murder, Incorporated' directed by the
amazingly
named Bretaigne Windust. Now that would be fine except that, according to
Halliwell's Film Guide at any rate, Bogart wasn't in it. LH says it's a
"tedious and poorly made gangster thriller [with] unforgivable
faults considering the many admirable models it has to follow." It
features
Stuart Whitman, Mai Britt, Henry Morgan, and (probably crucially) Peter
Falk
(who was nominated for an Oscar for it). My guess is that faulty memory
is at
work, Clive would have seen it (I imagine) in Sydney and the song wasn't
written for another ten years or so, and it's perhaps not too hard to
imagine
remembering Peter Falk as Humphrey B.
There's another inconsistency: the movie wasn't directed by Mr Windust, at
least not according to LH who credits Burt Balaban and Stuart Rosenberg
(apparently his first film). Two directors is always a sign of something
untoward, of course. Maybe BW really directed but his name was kept off (a
blacklist connection maybe?). Then again, BW died in 1960, so maybe the
others
finished it. Or ...
I'll pursue it further with Clive when I next get a chance to speak to him.
It
may be that he has the full explanation.
****************************
Nigel then followed up with:
Actually, Pete Atkin was in error. The Bogart film in question is The
Enforcer
(directed by Bretaigne Windust) in 1951, which for some reason was known in
the
UK (and probably in Clive James's Australia) as Murder, Inc. It's supposed
to
be very good. Now all we need is someone to check it out!
*****************************
Anybody feel like watching a gangster movie tonight?
-- Tom, who doesn't
Janice Sim
Head of Technical Services
Library and Learning Resources
University of Wales College, Newport
Allt-Yr-Yn Campus
Newport, South Wales. NP20 5XR
Tel: 01633 432323 Fax: 01633 432343
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:37:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "John P. Dyson"
To: Sam Shipley
Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related?
=0D=0A=0D=0AOn Wed, 2 May 2001, Sam Shipley wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> Have =
a patron who would like to know if the French verbs "gesir" (with an =
=0D=0A> accent aigu over the "e")=0D=0A> and "giter" (with an accent =
circonflex over the "i") are related in their =0D=0A> derivations, no=
t just in their meanings.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0ASam,=0D=0A=0D=0A"G=E9sir" =
comes from Latin "jacere" (to lie) and entered French in the 10th=
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oun derived=0D=0Afrom "g=E9sir" and introduced toward the end of the =
12th century with the=0D=0Aori
ginal sense of "resting place." It later took on other meanings=0D=
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to ore=0D=0Adeposits and to the the starboard or port list of naval =
craft. About the=0D=0A13th century, a back-formation from the noun le=
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:49:01 -0600
From: "T.F. Mills"
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related?
On 2 May 2001, at 12:37, John P. Dyson wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> "G=E9sir" =
comes from Latin "jacere" (to lie) and entered French in the 10th=
=0D=0A> century as both a funeral and a military term. "G=EEte" was a=
noun derived=0D=0A> from "g=E9sir" ...=0D=0A> Standard and previousl=
y mentioned etymological dictionaries apply.=0D=0A=0D=0AOr, as Andr=
=E9 G=EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A=0D=0AT(ilting) F(oolishly) a=
t (wind)Mills, as listing badly with port=0D=0Atfmills@regiments.org =
(Denver, Colorado, USA)=0D=0AStumpers-L Unofficial Pages:=0D=0Ahttp:=
//wombats.areawesome.net
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:00:28 -0700
From: BLIC
To: stumpers
Subj: ""Sundown laws"" in California
Patron heard during a sermon in church that his town, Fillmore,
California, had a law (written or unwritten) in the 1930s that
blacks/African Americans could not remain in town over night. He wants
to follow up on this assertion to see whether, in fact, there was such a
law in Fillmore, or in Ventura County, where it is located.
I believe such laws were known as "sundown laws." I find some web
references to them in Oregon, and I've heard of them elsewhere, too. (I
watched To Kill a Mockingbird a couple of months ago, perhaps this is
where I recently heard reference to them? By the way, that movie is
gorgeous--a striking contrast to the short-attention-span style of
modern movies, it really conveys the feel of back when time was slower.)
I've looked in several encyclopedias of African-American history, Encyc
Brit, World Book Encyc, a few books of the history of blacks in
California, WorldCat. I may contact the NAACP.
Any ideas of other sources I might consult?
TIA,
-- Chris Gallery
Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System
c/o Santa Barbara Public Library
P.O. Box 1019
Santa Barbara, CA 93102
Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 22:15:33 -0800
From: Louise Sullivan
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ?Words and Music for Three Songs Needed
We have a customer who needs the words and music to the following:
1) Until (words and music by Jack Fulton and Bob Crosby, 1948. Recorded by
Tommy Dorsey; vocal by Harry Prine).
2) Until (words by Edward Teschemescher, music by Wilfred Sanderson, 1918).
3) Au Revoir, but Not Goodbye, Soldier Boy (words by Lew Brown, music by
Albert von Tilger, 1917).
We have searched numerous song indices both in paper and on the Internet.
We have found sites on the Internet that list the sheet music for songs #1
and #3 for sale but not the words or music. If anyone who has the words
and music in their collection would be willing to fax it to us, we would be
grateful. If that's not possible, if anyone is aware of a title that might
include these songs, that also would be helpful.
Thanks for the assistance.
Louise Sullivan
Reference Librarian
Spokane Public Library
Ph: 509-444-5336
Fax: 509-444-5364
lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:37:31 -0500
From: Sam Shipley
To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Thanks! ""Gesir"" and ""Giter""
Thanks to John Dyson for the answer to the question about the etymology of
the French verbs
"gesir" and "giter." And thank you, T.F. Mills, for the funny addition to
the discussion. Also a thanks to any who might yet offer a response to
this question.
Sam Shipley
Dodge City Public Library
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:35:56 -0500 (EST)
From: "John P. Dyson"
To: Joan M O'Kane
Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: REFQ: Jewish History
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Joan M O'Kane wrote:
> A colleague is trying to verify a date in Jewish history. He found a
> web site
> http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/bhyom/may.htm that says that on May 14,
> 1637, the Jews of Venice were denied the right to practice law. He
> would like to
> verify this date and perhaps find out more about it.
>
> Does anyone know anything about this event or can you suggest a source
> where I might be able to find more information? I checked the
> Encyclopedia Judaica, but found nothing. The web site is based on the
> book Day by Day in Jewish History, but the book doesn't have any more
> detail than the web site.
I'd take a look a Cecil Roth's VENICE (1930) to confirm that. I seem to
recall that in the period you cite there were both rabbinical courts and
Christian courts in Venice, but I don't recall how jurisdictions were
determined.
John Dyson
Spanish and Portuguese
Indiana University
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:56:03 -0400
From: James Lynch
To: 'Stumpers'
Subj: Latin phrases - repeat of query, did I miss anything?
E-mail has been out most of the day here. Could anyone who responded =
to my=0D=0Aearlier query resend the response (to me only, to spare th=
e digesters).=0D=0AThanks, Jim.=0D=0A=0D=0AHello,=0D=0A=0D=0A=09A fri=
end of mine mentioned a bit of trouble with some Latin phrases,=0D=
=0Aand I said I'd forward them on to the long-headed Latinophones at =
Stumpers=0D=0A(well, I didn't say "long-headed Latinophones," but you=
get the idea). His=0D=0Amessage follows.=0D=0A=0D=0ADate: Tuesday, 0=
1 May, 2001 17:09=0D=0ASubject: Latin phrases=0D=0A=0D=0A>Hail Jim,=
=0D=0A>=0D=0A>As I mentioned, I
have a photocopy of an old surveying book=0D=0A>from 1725. It has s=
everal Latin in phrases in it that I would like to=0D=0A>get a transl=
ation for. Any help would be appreciated. The phrases (and=0D=0A>th=
eir contexts) are:=0D=0A>=0D=0A>[1]: On the title page as what looks =
like a slogan near the bottom:=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Socrates, hunc finem Geom=
etrie Principalem esse statuebat; Ut agrum=0D=0A>planum metire divide=
req; possit. - Pitiscus Geod.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Pitiscus is assumably Bar=
tholomo Pitiscus, author of mathematical books=0D=0A>in the 1600s, in=
clud
ing one which introduced the work Trigonometry.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>[2]: In =
the Preface:=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Ornari res ipsa negat content a doceri.=
=0D=0A>=0D=0A>From this paragraph:=0D=0A> But I shall forbear any Pa=
negyrical Expressions in Praise of the Art=0D=0A>itself, (tho' much m=
ight be said on that Head), on Account of its=0D=0A>Antiquity, Salubr=
ity, Pleasantness, and above all, its Usefulness,=0D=0A>Ornari res ip=
sa negat content a doceri.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>[3]: Also in the Preface:=
=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Rumpatur quisquis rumpitur invidi=E2.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>From=
this paragraph:=0D=0A> As for the Bo
ok itself, tho' perhaps some ill-natur'd Artists may be=0D=0A>offende=
d therewith, because several Things herein are discovered (which=0D=
=0A>they would have been as well pleased should have been concealed) =
like=0D=0A>Flowers gathered and placed in one Garland, and prostitute=
d to every=0D=0A>one's View; yet if it proves in any way useful to th=
ose for whom it was=0D=0A>designed, I have my End in Publishing it. =
Rumpatur quisquis rumpitur=0D=0A>invidi=E2.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>[4]: In a se=
ction on surveying Commons:=0D=0A>=0D=0A>mutatis mutandis=0D=0A>=0D=
=0A>From this=20
paragraph:=0D=0A> So if a Piece of Common was to be enclosed, and di=
vided amongst=0D=0A>several Tenants, according to the Number of Beast=
-Gates which each=0D=0A>Ten-ant hath in the Common, it is to be perfo=
rmed (mutatis mutandis) by=0D=0A>the same Rule.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>I feel t=
he intent of these is often obvious, but I'd rather get a decent=0D=
=0A>translation. I looked in a Latin dictionary and a Latin grammar,=
but I=0D=0A>just don't know enough.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Thanks very much.=
=0D=0A>=0D=0A>YITB,=0D=0A>David=0D=0A>=0D=0A>--=0D=0A>David Manthey=
=0D=0A>manthey@orbitals.com=0D=0A>Auth
or of Carte Primus Cribbage http://www.orbitals.com/cp=0D=0A>Author =
of Graphic Viewer http://www.orbitals.com/gv=0D=0A>Author of =
Orbital Viewer http://www.orbitals.com/orb=0D=0A>=0D=0A=0D=
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:48:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Haltjv@aol.com
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ?does anyone know how to measure a saddle
Does anyone know how to measure a saddle?
Methods of measurement apparently are different for western and English saddles.
T.J.
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:46:30 -0500
From: Daphne Drewello
To: James Lynch , 'Stumpers'
Subj: Re: Latin phrases - repeat of query, did I miss anything?
Jim Lynch wrote
E-mail has been out most of the day here.
Mine has too, so I apologize if this has been mentioned.
>
>[3]: Also in the Preface:
>
>Rumpatur quisquis rumpitur invidiâ.
Whoever bursts from envy, let him burst.
Daphne Drewello
Alfred Dickey Library
Jamestown, ND
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:39:18 -0500
From: Bruce Bumbalough
To: Stumpers
Subj: Military vital records
Patron is a minister of church who is trying to help a parishioner obtain a copy
of the death certificate for a member of the US military who died in Germany.
He also needs to obtain a copy of the birth certificate of the son of the
deceased person above. The son was born in Germany.
What agency should he contact? I assume some thing in the Department of Defense
or Department of State, but don't know where.
I have looked at the U.S. Government Manual, International Vital Records
Handbook and How to Locate Anyone Who Is or Has Been in the Military.
--
Bruce L. Bumbalough
Reference Librarian
Grapevine Public Library
1201 Municipal Way
Grapevine, TX 76051
Voice: (817) 410-3404
Fax: (817) 410-3080
E-mail: bbumbalough@grapevine.lib.tx.us
The views are mine, not those of the City of Grapevine.
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:04:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: C V
To: Louise Sullivan
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?Words and Music for Three Songs Needed
I have "Until the Real Thing Comes Along", but, there are no composers
listed. First line is "I'd work for you, I'd beg for you", final title
line "if that isn't love, it'll have to do, UNTIL THE REAL THING COMES
ALONG". Connie
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Louise Sullivan wrote:
> We have a customer who needs the words and music to the following:
>
> 1) Until (words and music by Jack Fulton and Bob Crosby, 1948. Recorded by
> Tommy Dorsey; vocal by Harry Prine).
>
> 2) Until (words by Edward Teschemescher, music by Wilfred Sanderson, 1918).
>
> 3) Au Revoir, but Not Goodbye, Soldier Boy (words by Lew Brown, music by
> Albert von Tilger, 1917).
>
> We have searched numerous song indices both in paper and on the Internet.
> We have found sites on the Internet that list the sheet music for songs #1
> and #3 for sale but not the words or music. If anyone who has the words
> and music in their collection would be willing to fax it to us, we would be
> grateful. If that's not possible, if anyone is aware of a title that might
> include these songs, that also would be helpful.
>
> Thanks for the assistance.
> Louise Sullivan
> Reference Librarian
> Spokane Public Library
> Ph: 509-444-5336
> Fax: 509-444-5364
> lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org
>
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:01:59 -0700
From: "DeFato, Joan"
To: 'Louise Sullivan' , stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: RE: %Words and Music for Three Songs Needed
I think the composer of #3 is Albert von Tilzer.
Joan DeFato
Plant Science Library
The Arboretum of Los Angeles County
301 North Baldwin Avenue
Arcadia, CA 91007-2697
Phone: (626) 821-3213 Fax: (626) 445-1217
-----Original Message-----
From: Louise Sullivan [mailto:lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:16 PM
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subject: ?Words and Music for Three Songs Needed
We have a customer who needs the words and music to the following:
1) Until (words and music by Jack Fulton and Bob Crosby, 1948. Recorded by
Tommy Dorsey; vocal by Harry Prine).
2) Until (words by Edward Teschemescher, music by Wilfred Sanderson, 1918).
3) Au Revoir, but Not Goodbye, Soldier Boy (words by Lew Brown, music by
Albert von Tilger, 1917).
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:06:45 -0700
From: "J. Mark Sugars"
To: JLynch@bccc.state.md.us, manthey@orbitals.com
Cc: STUMPERS-LIST
Subj: Latin phrases (from an old surveying book)
James Lynch wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> A friend of mine mentioned a bit of trouble with some Latin phrases,
> >Socrates, hunc finem Geometrie Principalem esse statuebat; Ut agrum
> >planum metire dividereq; possit. - Pitiscus Geod.
Socrates declared that this was the principal goal of Geometry: that one
would be able to measure and divide a flat field. --- Pitiscus the
Surveyor.
> >Ornari res ipsa negat contenta doceri.
The matter itself, content to be revealed, refuses to be adorned.
(note correction of "content a" to "contenta")
> >Rumpatur quisquis rumpitur
> >invidiâ.
May whoever bursts with envy, burst.
> >(mutatis mutandis)
After those things, that must be changed, have been changed, (in other
words) after the appropriate changes have been made.
J. Mark Sugars
Irvine, California
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:24:55 -0400
From: C Tremblay
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: ? Phoebe Beebe children's poem or book
A patron is looking for a childhood book or poem called "Phoebe B. Beebe and
her New Canoe Canal in Saugatuc near Naugatuck Connecticut" I found on the
web a "tongue pleaser" attributed to Steve Allen that goes "Phoebe P.
Beebe's in Paducah's New Canoe Canal".
Does anyone know if this is actually a book or poem? I can't find it on
Bibliofind or Amazon. Our Children's Librarian is not familiar with it.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Carolyn Tremblay
Reference Dept
Dover Public Library
Dover NH
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:37:11 -0400
From: "J. Shore"
To: Bruce Bumbalough
Cc: Stumpers
Subj: Re: Military vital records
Bruce Bumbalough wrote:
>
> Patron is a minister of church who is trying to help a parishioner obtain a copy
> of the death certificate for a member of the US military who died in Germany.
> He also needs to obtain a copy of the birth certificate of the son of the
> deceased person above. The son was born in Germany.
>
> What agency should he contact? I assume some thing in the Department of Defense
> or Department of State, but don't know where.
Bruce,
Due to reorganization of the records keeping functions, the records may
be in any one of three places depending on how long ago the death was,
etc...
Have the parishioner call the VA (toll free) at 1-800-827-1000 to
identify the current location of specific health records and to find out
how to obtain releasable documents or information.
J.
--
Mr. J. Shore
Serials Librarian / Cataloger
Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library
shorej@thpl.org
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:42:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Riffe
To: Haltjv@aol.com, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ! Re: ?does anyone know how to measure a saddle
--- Haltjv@aol.com wrote:
> Does anyone know how to measure a saddle?
> Methods of measurement apparently are different for
> western and English saddles.
There are insturctions on how to measure both Western
and English saddles at the following url:
http://www.cooltack.com/toklat.htm
I found this site searching Google. I hope this helps.
John Riffe
Parmly Billings Library
510 N. Broadway
Billings MT 59101
=====
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Alfred Hitchcock
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:59:56 -0600 (MDT)
From: McCarty Jennifer
To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subj: ""Proactiv"" acne treatment and wombat sighting
Hello womb@ts.
I saw a television program about womb@ts the other day. I had no idea
they were so big! They're wobbly like weebles (sp?), and pretty cute.
But that's not the question here. I'm the patron, so no rush. I'm trying
to find out more about the acne treatment "Proactiv." I've seen their web
site. I'm hoping for information from objective sources. If anyone on
the list knows someone who has used it, that would also be useful to me.
I can't find any evidence of a study of its effectiveness, but if someone
else comes up with one, great! Even a basic critique by someone who
reviews skin care or something -- just someone who isn't hand-picked or
paid by Proactiv. (smile)
If I've overlooked something, I'm grateful for any pointers. If not, I'll
feel confident that I've done an exhaustive search and I'll ask my doctor
at my next check-up.
Sources checked:
Stumpers archives
Medline
Infotrac Health Reference Center
A consumer index I don't remember the name of
A medical products index I also don't remember the name of
Health Abstracts
Thanks.
Jennifer
-----------------------------
Jennifer E. McCarty
Reference and Instruction Librarian
University of Colorado at Boulder
jennifer.mccarty@colorado.edu
303-492-8887
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:28:32 -0400
From: Louise Sullivan
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ?Science Fair Project-Bell Curve
We have a customer who is certain that she checked out a book from our
library a couple of years ago that had a science fair project that focused
on the bell curve. The bell curve was the main emphasis of the project.
In fact, her son presented this project. She'd like to find the experiment
again for her daughter. She thinks that the book might have been by Janice
VanCleave. We have checked the Janice VanCleave books that we own but do
not find anything like that. We have looked through many other science
fair project books as well. Other sources consulted include Science Fair
roject Index- 1985-89; Experiment Central; More Science Experiments on
File; and the Internet using google. Any assistance would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Louise Sullivan
Reference Librarian
Spokane Public Library
Ph: 509-444-5336
Fax: 509-444-5364
lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:28:32 -0400
From: Louise Sullivan
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ?Science Fair Project-Bell Curve
We have a customer who is certain that she checked out a book from our
library a couple of years ago that had a science fair project that focused
on the bell curve. The bell curve was the main emphasis of the project.
In fact, her son presented this project. She'd like to find the experiment
again for her daughter. She thinks that the book might have been by Janice
VanCleave. We have checked the Janice VanCleave books that we own but do
not find anything like that. We have looked through many other science
fair project books as well. Other sources consulted include Science Fair
roject Index- 1985-89; Experiment Central; More Science Experiments on
File; and the Internet using google. Any assistance would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Louise Sullivan
Reference Librarian
Spokane Public Library
Ph: 509-444-5336
Fax: 509-444-5364
lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:00:44 -0400
From: Louise Sullivan
To: McCarty Jennifer
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ""Proactiv"" acne treatment
Jennifer,
I checked Proactiv's site to try to determine what the ingredients are. It
seems that benzoyl peroxide and sulfur as well as their "special
formulation." The American Academy of Dermatology has an acne webpage
called Acnenet. This is what the site says about benzoyl peroxide:
Benzoyl peroxide. Benzoyl peroxide works by destroying the bacteria
associated with acne, P. acnes. It usually takes about 2 weeks to work
and it must be used continuously to keep acne at bay until you outgrow
getting acne. This is because it does not affect sebum production or
the way the skin follicle cells are shed, and when you stop using
it, the
acne comes back. It is available in a wide range of vehicles: creams,
lotions, gels. It often works quite well for milder cases of acne.
The url for the website is:
http://www.skincarephysicians.com/acnenet/treatmnt.html
Louise Sullivan
Reference Librarian
Spokane Public Library
At 02:59 PM 5/2/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Hello womb@ts.
>
>I saw a television program about womb@ts the other day. I had no idea
>they were so big! They're wobbly like weebles (sp?), and pretty cute.
>
>But that's not the question here. I'm the patron, so no rush. I'm trying
>to find out more about the acne treatment "Proactiv." I've seen their web
>site. I'm hoping for information from objective sources. If anyone on
>the list knows someone who has used it, that would also be useful to me.
>I can't find any evidence of a study of its effectiveness, but if someone
>else comes up with one, great! Even a basic critique by someone who
>reviews skin care or something -- just someone who isn't hand-picked or
>paid by Proactiv. (smile)
>
>If I've overlooked something, I'm grateful for any pointers. If not, I'll
>feel confident that I've done an exhaustive search and I'll ask my doctor
>at my next check-up.
>
>Sources checked:
>
>Stumpers archives
>Medline
>Infotrac Health Reference Center
>A consumer index I don't remember the name of
>A medical products index I also don't remember the name of
>Health Abstracts
>
>Thanks.
>
>Jennifer
>
>-----------------------------
>Jennifer E. McCarty
>Reference and Instruction Librarian
>University of Colorado at Boulder
>jennifer.mccarty@colorado.edu
>303-492-8887
>
>
Louise Sullivan
Reference Librarian
Spokane Public Library
Ph: 509-444-5336
Fax: 509-444-5364
lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:47:30 +0200
From: md2@freenet.de
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: ? last posting - looking for Kathinka Sutro-Schu:cking
[Sorry everyone! - This is my very last re-posting of the question, as I finally figured out how to make this readable on the list. Typical newbie problem, I guess...]
[*I've indicated umlauts with a colon, u:, o:, a:*]
Hello!
I'm *really* stumped on this one! (And it's also my last resort!)
(I've subscribed to the stumper's list, but would appreciate it if a copy of positive answers could also be sent to me directly at "md2@freenet.de".)
I'm a student in the master's degree program in the American Studies Department at Humboldt University in Berlin, Germany and for my master's thesis am working on the German-American woman writer Kathinka Sutro-Schu:cking (1834-1910). Though I was able to find a number of her works, I've had a great deal of trouble locating the following:
1) Sutro-Schu:cking, Kathinka. Doctor Zernowitz. Villa Montrose. Chicago: Laird & Lee, 1894.
(two novellas published together in one book)
2) Sutro-Schu:cking, Kathinka. Eine lieblose Ehe und andere Erzählungen. Comp. and ed. Paul Sutro (n.p., n.d.)
3) Sutro-Schu:cking, Kathinka. Caroline Wassenburg. (probably published in installment in some German-American literary journal or newspaper?)
Although I did find "Doctor Zernowitz" in the German-Americana collection at the University of Cincinnati, the curator there, Don Heinrich Tolzmann, has informed me that no photocopies or microfilm of works in the collection could be made due to the rarity of the materials. Unfortunately, my limited research funds won't allow me to fly to Cincinnati. The NYPL's copy of the book, though listed in their on-line catalog, was stolen a number of years ago (!), and the librarians at the College of Philadelphia
Physicians, listed in the National Union Catalog of pre-1956 holdings as having "Doctor Zernowitz", were not able to locate the work in their holdings.
- Does anyone know where I might be able to find any of these works?
- I'm also interested in finding out about the existence and whereabouts of any other works (books, poems, articles, letters, etc.) by Sutro-Schu:cking. I've already located and have copies of the following, however, so no more information on these will be necessary:
--In beiden Hemisphären
--Die Erlebnisse einer Schutzlosen
--Umsonst
Variant spellings of her name in the catalogs are numerous: Sutro-Schucking, Sutro-Schuecking, Sutro, and even Schu:cking-Sutro, Schucking-Sutro, Schuecking-Sutro. In addition, it might be helpful to know that Kathinka was related to Adolph Sutro (German immigrant to the U.S. and former mayor of San Francisco), as she married his brother Emil Sutro. At various points in her life she lived in New York City, Hoboken, NJ, Baltimore, and Philadelphia. Some of her works may also have been published posthumously
by her son, Paul Emil Sutro, and some of her earliest works (important: pre-1867 only!) may have been published under her husband's name.
I think checking in individual card catalogs is the only remaining chance to find any of this.
Considering that "Doctor Zernowitz" was published by Laird & Lee in Chicago, does anyone know of the existence of any Laird & Lee archives? I imagine that this might be one way of finding the book.
It would be really fantastic if a copy of this (other than the one in the German-Americana collection at the University of Cincinnati) or any other works by this author could be found. Sutro-Schu:cking really is an undeservedly forgotten writer.
Thank you for your assistance! If you are unable to help me, but know of someone who might and could forward this to them, I would be very grateful!
Sincerely,
Matthew Gaskins
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:47:30 +0200
From: md2@freenet.de
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: ? last posting - looking for Kathinka Sutro-Schu:cking
[Sorry everyone! - This is my very last re-posting of the question, as I finally figured out how to make this readable on the list. Typical newbie problem, I guess...]
[*I've indicated umlauts with a colon, u:, o:, a:*]
Hello!
I'm *really* stumped on this one! (And it's also my last resort!)
(I've subscribed to the stumper's list, but would appreciate it if a copy of positive answers could also be sent to me directly at "md2@freenet.de".)
I'm a student in the master's degree program in the American Studies Department at Humboldt University in Berlin, Germany and for my master's thesis am working on the German-American woman writer Kathinka Sutro-Schu:cking (1834-1910). Though I was able to find a number of her works, I've had a great deal of trouble locating the following:
1) Sutro-Schu:cking, Kathinka. Doctor Zernowitz. Villa Montrose. Chicago: Laird & Lee, 1894.
(two novellas published together in one book)
2) Sutro-Schu:cking, Kathinka. Eine lieblose Ehe und andere Erzählungen. Comp. and ed. Paul Sutro (n.p., n.d.)
3) Sutro-Schu:cking, Kathinka. Caroline Wassenburg. (probably published in installment in some German-American literary journal or newspaper?)
Although I did find "Doctor Zernowitz" in the German-Americana collection at the University of Cincinnati, the curator there, Don Heinrich Tolzmann, has informed me that no photocopies or microfilm of works in the collection could be made due to the rarity of the materials. Unfortunately, my limited research funds won't allow me to fly to Cincinnati. The NYPL's copy of the book, though listed in their on-line catalog, was stolen a number of years ago (!), and the librarians at the College of Philadelphia
Physicians, listed in the National Union Catalog of pre-1956 holdings as having "Doctor Zernowitz", were not able to locate the work in their holdings.
- Does anyone know where I might be able to find any of these works?
- I'm also interested in finding out about the existence and whereabouts of any other works (books, poems, articles, letters, etc.) by Sutro-Schu:cking. I've already located and have copies of the following, however, so no more information on these will be necessary:
--In beiden Hemisphären
--Die Erlebnisse einer Schutzlosen
--Umsonst
Variant spellings of her name in the catalogs are numerous: Sutro-Schucking, Sutro-Schuecking, Sutro, and even Schu:cking-Sutro, Schucking-Sutro, Schuecking-Sutro. In addition, it might be helpful to know that Kathinka was related to Adolph Sutro (German immigrant to the U.S. and former mayor of San Francisco), as she married his brother Emil Sutro. At various points in her life she lived in New York City, Hoboken, NJ, Baltimore, and Philadelphia. Some of her works may also have been published posthumously
by her son, Paul Emil Sutro, and some of her earliest works (important: pre-1867 only!) may have been published under her husband's name.
I think checking in individual card catalogs is the only remaining chance to find any of this.
Considering that "Doctor Zernowitz" was published by Laird & Lee in Chicago, does anyone know of the existence of any Laird & Lee archives? I imagine that this might be one way of finding the book.
It would be really fantastic if a copy of this (other than the one in the German-Americana collection at the University of Cincinnati) or any other works by this author could be found. Sutro-Schu:cking really is an undeservedly forgotten writer.
Thank you for your assistance! If you are unable to help me, but know of someone who might and could forward this to them, I would be very grateful!
Sincerely,
Matthew Gaskins
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:11:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Patricia A. Guy"
To: Stumpers
Subj: ? Poem: My journey begins
Our patron's checking to see if this is a published poem,
suspecting the claiment may be dabbling in plagiarism. Please go to NO
trouble searching. Does anyone recognize it?
My Journey Begins
To touch the sky
To break through the sky
To sprinkle the ocean
To swim in the sea
To break the bonds of my earthly me.
Thanks, all. On this one my journey's almost over.
Pat Guy
Guy-Wired for the
System Reference Center
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:33:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: LILongJr@aol.com
To: bginfo@rain.org
Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" in California
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In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:03:32 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
bginfo@rain.org writes:
> Patron heard during a sermon in church that his town, Fillmore,
> California, had a law (written or unwritten) in the 1930s that
> blacks/African Americans could not remain in town over night. He wants
> to follow up on this assertion to see whether, in fact, there was such a
>
I've heard that from the Civil War up to the 1920s, these type of laws (which
were not exclusively against blacks/African-Americans; they included Native
Americans [Indians], Jews, "Wobblies" [members of the IWW, I believe], and
just about anyone else who wasn't "from the right side of the tracks", as it
were) were very common throughout the Midwest, West, and South of the U.S.
I've not been able to find any sources, just anecdotes, usually in fictional
writings.
Luke Owens
Tucson
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:33:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: LILongJr@aol.com
To: ibbetson@idirect.com, dsaklad@gnu.org
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Rate of new infections. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome.
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In a message dated 5/2/2001 8:25:15 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
ibbetson@idirect.com writes:
> I haven't intervened previously, but in the 1660s it was noted that true
> death rates from venereal diseases (then syphilis) are unobtainable because
>
Indeed. One only has to look at the deaths of Rock Hudson and Liberace to
realize that there has been a great deal of covering up when it comes to HIV
Disease (the new name, I guess). How many people have known someone to die of
complications due to AIDS, but saw the obituary and/or death certificate
listing other causes? Many family members are so afraid of being "marked" as
a close relative of a homosexual that this type of lie is still being
perpetrated 20 years into the epidemic.
Source? My own writings.
Luke Owens
Tucson
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:49:41 -0600
From: "T.F. Mills"
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related?
On 2 May 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> Or, as Andr=
=E9 G=EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A=0D=0AJust in case some gulli=
ble soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean.=0D=0AIt's Andr=
=E9 Gide, not G=EEte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war-=
=0D=0Amongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now.=0D=0A=
=0D=0AT.F. Mills=0D=0Awombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colora=
do, USA)=0D=0AStumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net=
=0D=0AThe Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!"=0D=0A=00=00=00=
=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:29:22 -0700
From: Shari Haber
To: C Tremblay , STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ? Phoebe Beebe children's poem or book
Actually, it's a short story. It even appeared in some school readers
back in the forties and fifties, but it can be found in Frederick Chase
Taylor's book "You Wouldn't Know Me From Adam". Taylor was known on
radio as Captain Lemuel Stoopnagle. The story appears on pages 159-163
in the abovementioned book. If you want to send me your fax number, I'd
be happy to fax it to you.
Shari Haber
shaber@mcls.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "C Tremblay"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:24 PM
Subject: ? Phoebe Beebe children's poem or book
> A patron is looking for a childhood book or poem called "Phoebe B.
Beebe and
> her New Canoe Canal in Saugatuc near Naugatuck Connecticut" I found on
the
> web a "tongue pleaser" attributed to Steve Allen that goes "Phoebe P.
> Beebe's in Paducah's New Canoe Canal".
> Does anyone know if this is actually a book or poem? I can't find it
on
> Bibliofind or Amazon. Our Children's Librarian is not familiar with
it.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Carolyn Tremblay
> Reference Dept
> Dover Public Library
> Dover NH
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>
>
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:22:40 -0500
From: Lambrini Papangelis
To: tfmills@regiments.org
Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related?
When did André Gide say, "That is my jacket?"
Lambrini
"T.F. Mills" wrote:
> On 2 May 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote:
>
> > Or, as André Gîte said, "Alea jacta est."
>
> Just in case some gullible soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean.
> It's André Gide, not Gîte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war-
> mongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now.
>
> T.F. Mills
> wombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado, USA)
> Stumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net
> The Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!"
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:49:41 -0600
From: "T.F. Mills"
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related?
On 2 May 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> Or, as Andr=
=E9 G=EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A=0D=0AJust in case some gulli=
ble soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean.=0D=0AIt's Andr=
=E9 Gide, not G=EEte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war-=
=0D=0Amongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now.=0D=0A=
=0D=0AT.F. Mills=0D=0Awombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colora=
do, USA)=0D=0AStumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net=
=0D=0AThe Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!"=0D=0A=00=00=00=
=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=
=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:34:36 -0500 (EST)
From: "John P. Dyson"
To: "T.F. Mills"
Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related?
=0D=0A=0D=0AOn Wed, 2 May 2001, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> On 2 M=
ay 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A> =0D=0A> > Or, as Andr=E9 G=
=EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Just in case some gullib=
le soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean.=0D=0A> It's Andr=
=E9 Gide, not G=EEte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war-=
=0D=0A> mongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now.=0D=0A=
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:34:36 -0500 (EST)
From: "John P. Dyson"
To: "T.F. Mills"
Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related?
=0D=0A=0D=0AOn Wed, 2 May 2001, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> On 2 M=
ay 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A> =0D=0A> > Or, as Andr=E9 G=
=EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Just in case some gullib=
le soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean.=0D=0A> It's Andr=
=E9 Gide, not G=EEte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war-=
=0D=0A> mongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now.=0D=0A=
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:49:41 -0600
From: "T.F. Mills"
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related?
On 2 May 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> Or, as Andr=
=E9 G=EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A=0D=0AJust in case some gulli=
ble soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean.=0D=0AIt's Andr=
=E9 Gide, not G=EEte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war-=
=0D=0Amongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now.=0D=0A=
=0D=0AT.F. Mills=0D=0Awombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colora=
do, USA)=0D=0AStumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net=
=0D=0AThe Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!"=0D=0A=00=00=00=
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:49:41 -0600
From: "T.F. Mills"
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related?
On 2 May 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> Or, as Andr=
=E9 G=EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A=0D=0AJust in case some gulli=
ble soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean.=0D=0AIt's Andr=
=E9 Gide, not G=EEte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war-=
=0D=0Amongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now.=0D=0A=
=0D=0AT.F. Mills=0D=0Awombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colora=
do, USA)=0D=0AStumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net=
=0D=0AThe Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!"=0D=0A=00=00=00=
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:11:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mary Lou White
To: Bruce Bumbalough
Cc: Stumpers
Subj: Re: Military vital records
Bruce,
You might start at http://www.usembassy.de/consular/index.htm.
They don't talk about birth & death certificates, but maybe they
can tell you where to start.
Mary Lou
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:49:41 -0600
From: "T.F. Mills"
To: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ?""Gesir"" and ""Giter"" -- Are These French Verbs Related?
On 2 May 01, at 11:49, T.F. Mills wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> Or, as Andr=
=E9 G=EEte said, "Alea jacta est."=0D=0A=0D=0AJust in case some gulli=
ble soul copies this as gospel, I should come clean.=0D=0AIt's Andr=
=E9 Gide, not G=EEte, and the quote is ascribed to J.C. (the war-=
=0D=0Amongering one). I think I'll go have a lie down now.=0D=0A=
=0D=0AT.F. Mills=0D=0Awombat@regiments.org (Denver, Colora=
do, USA)=0D=0AStumpers Unofficial Page: http://wombats.areawesome.net=
=0D=0AThe Wombat sez: "Check the archives first!"=0D=0A=00=00=00=
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:11:50 +0300 (IDT)
From: Tsviya Polani
To: Joan M O'Kane
Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: REFQ: Jewish History
Joan,
I did a quick check of our collection (English and Hebrew but not what we
have in Italian) on the history of Venetian Jewry. Only Roth. History of
the Jews in Venice (already recommended to you) seems to mention it. On
pages 172-3, in the chapter "Life in the Ghetto" he talks about
restrictions placed on the Jews to protect the guilds, and says "In 1637,
and again in 1709, they were forbidden to practice law or to act as
advocates in the Courts of Venice."
I can search further for you but not until next week.
Tsviya Polani
Reference Librarian
Aranne Library
Ben-Gurion University of the Negev
Be'er Sheva, Israel
e-mail: tpolani@bgumail.bgu.ac.il
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Joan M O'Kane wrote:
> A colleague is trying to verify a date in Jewish history. He found a
> web site
> http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/bhyom/may.htm that says that on May 14,
> 1637, the Jews of Venice were denied the right to practice law. He
> would like to
> verify this date and perhaps find out more about it.
>
> Does anyone know anything about this event or can you suggest a source
> where I might be able to find more information? I checked the
> Encyclopedia Judaica, but found nothing. The web site is based on the
> book Day by Day in Jewish History, but the book doesn't have any more
> detail than the web site.
>
> Please reply to me directly as I am not a Stumpers member (just a fan!).
>
> Many Thanks!
>
> Joan O'Kane
> Senior Information Specialist
> Fannie Mae
> Research & Information Center
> 3900 Wisconsin Ave., NW
> Washington, DC 20016-2892
> 202-752-7493 phone
> 202-752-6134 fax
> joan_m_o'kane@fanniemae.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 07:46:11 -0400
From: Robert L Hadden
To: Bruce Bumbalough
Cc: stumpers-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Military vital records
Dear Bruce-
The easiest answer is to have the parishioner call his local
congressional representative's office (usually a local phone call) and ask
the nice person on the phone to get the military records for you. Or even
better, send the congressman or congresswoman a letter with all the
particulars, and ask them to find this information for you. One of the
great things about congressmen is that their office can be used by average
citizens to cut through miles of government red tape.
The cost of the congressman? Almost zero. They simply call their
contact at the Pentagon called the congressional liaison office, and let
some poor second lieutenant do all the legwork and make all the calls. If
you are lucky, the soldier will get the documents/copies for you. If you
are only half lucky, the soldier will find out what office you need to
contact yourself, and will provide you with the correct address and phone
number. Either way, you are ahead in the game.
The congressman is happy because he has done a nice thing with little
effort for someone who might vote for him in the next election, not to
mention all their family or any friends that hear about it. The parson is
happy because his parishioner gets what they want. Everyone is happy but
the poor second lieutenant, who, as soon as he is finished with one
assignment, is given another "congressional rocket" to handle until his
tour of duty is finally finished.
Lee Hadden
************************
R. Lee Hadden,
Reference Librarian
US Geological Survey
Mail Stop 950, National Center
Reston, VA 20192
TEL: (703) 648-6088
FAX: (703) 648-6373
rhadden@usgs.gov
http://www.usgs.gov/library
*************************
"The e-mail of the species is always more dangerous than the mail." -
Science on T-Shirts
Bruce Bumbalough
lib.tx.us> cc:
Subject: Military vital records
05/02/2001 03:39 PM
Patron is a minister of church who is trying to help a parishioner obtain a
copy
of the death certificate for a member of the US military who died in
Germany.
He also needs to obtain a copy of the birth certificate of the son of the
deceased person above. The son was born in Germany.
What agency should he contact? I assume some thing in the Department of
Defense
or Department of State, but don't know where.
I have looked at the U.S. Government Manual, International Vital Records
Handbook and How to Locate Anyone Who Is or Has Been in the Military.
--
Bruce L. Bumbalough
Reference Librarian
Grapevine Public Library
1201 Municipal Way
Grapevine, TX 76051
Voice: (817) 410-3404
Fax: (817) 410-3080
E-mail: bbumbalough@grapevine.lib.tx.us
The views are mine, not those of the City of Grapevine.
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:37:57 -0400
From: James Lynch
To: 'Stumpers'
Subj: *Thanks for Latin Phrases.
Thanks to Tim Elliott, Daphne Drewello, and Jim Sugars, for swift and
efficient responses. My friend says he is glad to have a definite
translation instead of just a vague idea.
Jim Lynch
jlynch@bccc.state.md.us
STUMPERS-L unsubscribe address is: mailserv@cuis.edu
unsubscribe message is: unsubscribe STUMPERS-L
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:46:00 -0400
From: thomas.d.fuller@us.andersen.com
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Cc: md2@freenet.de
Subj: % Kathinka Sutro-Schuecking
On the off chance you haven't thought of this, you might want to try to get in
touch with Dorothea Diver Stuecher, who wrote a book in 1990 called TWICE
REMOVED: THE EXPERIENCE OF GERMAN AMERICAN WOMEN WRITERS IN THE 19TH CENTURY,
ISBN 0-8204-1162-0, published by Peter Lang in New York, Berlin, Frankfurt/M,
and Paris; see
http://db.genderinn.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/recherche/deutsch?w=tab&id=5767
The book is a study of your author, Therese Robinson, and Mathilde Anneke.
Dennis Lien might be able to conjure up a contact address from his considerable
literary resources. (Are you there, Denny?)
-- Tom
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:09:54 -0500
From: Beth Friedmann
To: Stumpers
Subj: Spring has sprung...
Looking for complete and correct text of a poem, possibly by Ogden Nash,
that contains the phrase "Spring has sprung, the grass is riz..."
Please respond directly to me.
Thank you!
Beth Friedmann
MINITEX Reference Service
University of Minnesota
612-624-7873
800-462-5348
mailto:fried004@tc.umn.edu
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:45:34 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Eoin_C._Bair=E9ad?="
To: Elizabeth A Friedmann , Stumpers
Subj: Re: Spring has sprung...
Spring is sprung,
De grass is riz,
I wonder where dem birdies is?
De little birds is on de wing,
Ain’t dat absurd?
De little wing is on de bird!
Eoin C. Bairéad
Dublin, Ireland
03/05/2001 14:09:54, Beth Friedmann wrote:
>Looking for complete and correct text of a poem, possibly by Ogden Nash,
>that contains the phrase "Spring has sprung, the grass is riz..."
>
>Please respond directly to me.
>
>Thank you!
>Beth Friedmann
>MINITEX Reference Service
>University of Minnesota
>612-624-7873
>800-462-5348
>mailto:fried004@tc.umn.edu
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:03:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: ash966
To: Beth Friedmann
Cc: Stumpers
Subj: ?Re: Spring has sprung...
Gee, I never thought I'd be able to help MINITEX. Here's what Poemfinder
has:
Poem Finder - May 3, 2001
http://www.poemfinder.com
Back to SPRING IN THE BRONX
Title: SPRING IN THE BRONX
Author: ANONYMOUS
First Line: SPRING IS SPRUNG
Last Line: DUH LITTLE WIND IN ON DUH BOID
Subject: BRONX, NEW YORK CITY, LIGHT VERSE, SPRING
For reference details click on the book title links below.
Reference: GROSS, JOHN (ED.) - THE OXFORD BOOK OF COMIC VERSE. PAGE 277
1 record(s) found.
Copyright 2001 Roth Publishing Inc.
I had remembered it as "Springtime in Brooklyn". St. Paul Public Library
does not have that book, but I'm sure you can find it somewhere:
(from MNLINK:)
1. Saved Record from Search: ti= ("oxford book of comic verse")
Title: The Oxford book of comic verse / edited by John Gross.
Library: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities
MnSCU/PALS - Metropolitan Region
Dakota County Library
Minneapolis Public Library
Washington County Library
Published: Oxford ; New York : Oxford University Press, 1994.
Description: xxxiv, 512 p. ; 23 cm.
Subjects: Humorous poetry, English.
Humorous poetry, American.
Contributors: Gross, John J.
Notes: Includes bibliographical references (p. 481-485) and
indexes.
ISBN: 0192142070 :
---------- Holdings ----------
Library: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities
Location: WILSON
Call No: PR1195 .H8 O88 1994
Item Status: Available
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Library: MnSCU/PALS - Metropolitan Region
Location: NDC - Normandale CC
Call No: PR1195 H8 O8.8 1994
Status: Available
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Library: Dakota County Library
Location: WESCOTT
Call No: 821.07 Ox2
Status: checked In
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Library: Dakota County Library
Location: BURNHAVEN
Call No: 821.07 Ox2
Status: Claimed returned
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Library: Dakota County Library
Location: HASTINGS
Call No: 821.07 Ox2
Status: checked In
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Library: Dakota County Library
Location: GALAXIE
Call No: 821.07 Ox2
Status: checked In
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Library: Dakota County Library
Location: LAKEVILLE
Call No: 821.07 Ox2
Status: checked In
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Library: Minneapolis Public Library
Location: Central Literature Dept
Call No: PR1195.H8O88 1994
Public Note: NOT CHCKD OUT
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Library: Washington County Library
Location: Stillwater
Collection: Nonfiction section
Call No: 821.08 OXF
Status: Check Shelf
********************************************************************************
Andrea Herman
email: ash966@bitstream.net
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"Oh don't the days seem lank and long
When all goes right and nothing goes wrong
And isn't your life extremely flat
When you've nothing whatever to grumble at?"
--W.S. Gilbert
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:28:40 -0400
From: "Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian ****"
To: stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subj: thanks for tv archives & database info
Thank you-thank you! - esp to C. Early, Joan DeFato for help w/ the agri
DB -
I've ended up contacting the source university. but haven't been able to
access it yet. Also thanks to Sally Waters, Jodie Belisario for their
responses re: the Postpartum show - unfortunately, I think it may not have
been MSNBC - the show which as I mentioned Tuesday, sadly involved the
death of a baby. Calling the
stations is the next step.
Karen Mahnk
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:31:28 -0400
From: "Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian ****"
To: McCarty Jennifer , stumpers-l@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ""Proactiv"" acne treatment and wombat sighting
Jennifer;
A good place to start researching a drug - either nonprescr. or
prescription, is the PDR/Physician's Desk Reference". It gives a photo &
will list any/all sideaffects, etc. Also check Medline/grateful med for
related articles & studies. I also use Druginfo web site:
http://pharminfo.com/drugdb/db_mnur.html as well as http://pharminfo.com/
and http://www.rxlist.com/
Hope that helps!
Karen Mahnk
At 02:59 PM 5/2/2001 -0600, McCarty Jennifer wrote:
>Hello womb@ts.
>
>I saw a television program about womb@ts the other day. I had no idea
>they were so big! They're wobbly like weebles (sp?), and pretty cute.
>
>But that's not the question here. I'm the patron, so no rush. I'm trying
>to find out more about the acne treatment "Proactiv." I've seen their web
>site. I'm hoping for information from objective sources. If anyone on
>the list knows someone who has used it, that would also be useful to me.
>I can't find any evidence of a study of its effectiveness, but if someone
>else comes up with one, great! Even a basic critique by someone who
>reviews skin care or something -- just someone who isn't hand-picked or
>paid by Proactiv. (smile)
>
>If I've overlooked something, I'm grateful for any pointers. If not, I'll
>feel confident that I've done an exhaustive search and I'll ask my doctor
>at my next check-up.
>
>Sources checked:
>
>Stumpers archives
>Medline
>Infotrac Health Reference Center
>A consumer index I don't remember the name of
>A medical products index I also don't remember the name of
>Health Abstracts
>
>Thanks.
>
>Jennifer
>
>-----------------------------
>Jennifer E. McCarty
>Reference and Instruction Librarian
>University of Colorado at Boulder
>jennifer.mccarty@colorado.edu
>303-492-8887
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:33:19 -0400
From: Robert L Hadden
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: % Kathinka Sutro-Schuecking
I know it is frustrating to find German language materials published
in America during the 19th century. I hope you locate what you are looking
for. But here is also your chance to educate American librarians on how to
find materials in European libraries today.
There is a strong possibility that some of these American publications
in the German language found their way back to the German-speaking
countries in Europe, especially in those areas with a large immigrant
population and correspondence with American relatives.
Have you checked the holdings for German library locations, and if you
do, how do you do it other than by going to each individual library's
catalog one by one? OCLC covers some German university and research
libraries, but not many of the smaller ones. Is there an electronic or a
paper publication similar to our Nacional Union Catalog of Pre-1956
Imprints for German libraries? Other tools showing who has what?
How does one locate a book held within the German-speaking countries
of Europe today? What tools, and what methods, can be used for an effective
search? Your library search experience might be the basis for an
interesting article in the professional literature.
But until then, tell us now what you haven't found and where you have
already looked. Inquiring minds want to know.
R. Lee Hadden
rhadden@usgs.gov
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:41:03 -0400
From: "Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian ****"
To: LILongJr@aol.com, bginfo@rain.org
Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" in California - similar in FL.?
Palm Beach, Fl. I think still has a local law that forbids any nonresident
on the Island after certain hours w/o a PB ID. - Supposedly to discourage
those `nasty common workers from lingering for theft, etc.' - West Plam
Beach, in fact was supposedly built specifically as a convenient community
for Palm Beach's "hired help".. I remember the ID ordinance had been
challenged including on racial grounds, but I don't know the outcome.
Karen Mahnk
At 08:33 PM 5/2/2001 -0400, LILongJr@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:03:32 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
>bginfo@rain.org writes:
>
>
>Patron heard during a sermon in church that his town, Fillmore,
>California, had a law (written or unwritten) in the 1930s that
> He wants
>to follow up on this assertion to see whether, in fact, there was such a
>law in Fillmore, or in Ventura County, where it is located.
>
>
>I've heard that from the Civil War up to the 1920s, these type of laws
(which
>were not exclusively against blacks/African-Americans; they included Native
>Americans [Indians], Jews, "Wobblies" [members of the IWW, I believe], and
>just about anyone else who wasn't "from the right side of the tracks", as
it
>were) were very common throughout the Midwest, West, and South of the U.S.
>I've not been able to find any sources, just anecdotes, usually in
fictional
>writings.
>
>Luke Owens
>Tucson
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 07:55:55 -0700
From: Sue Kamm
To: Robert L Hadden
Cc: Bruce Bumbalough , stumpers-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: Military vital records
In a previous incarnation I worked in a state legislator's district
office. I did much of the work Lee describes, calling the office or
company with which a constituent was having problems. The words "I'm
calling from Senator Jones's office" tended to work magic!
--
Your friendly CyberGoddess and candidate for re-election as an ALA
Councilor,
Sue Kamm
Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000
email: suekamm@mindspring.com
Visit my web page: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm
"Good is not good when better is expected." -- Vin Scully
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:05:33 -0500
From: Dennis Lien
To: "Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian ****" ,
Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" in California - similar in FL.?
At 10:41 AM 5/3/01 -0400, Karen Mahnk, Research Librarian **** wrote:
>Palm Beach, Fl. I think still has a local law that forbids any nonresident
>on the Island after certain hours w/o a PB ID. - Supposedly to discourage
>those `nasty common workers from lingering for theft, etc.' - West Plam
>Beach, in fact was supposedly built specifically as a convenient community
>for Palm Beach's "hired help".. I remember the ID ordinance had been
>challenged including on racial grounds, but I don't know the outcome.
>Karen Mahnk
"Richard Stark's" (Donald Westlake's) latest "Parker" novel, FLASHFIRE,
involves among other things a jewel heist in Palm Beach. At one point
Parker is being shown around by a local real estate agent who refers to
attempts to pass/enforce this law, saying something to effect that the
locals haven't yet been able to manage this but she expects that, civil
rights or not, eventually they will.
There was a sundown law (applied to African Americans only, I think)
in the Cross Plains, Texas area in the twenties; a couple of biographies
of pulp writer Robert E. Howard (creator of Conan etc.) mention this
in relation to Howard's opinion that such a law was silly (this gets
mentioned by biographers as perhaps the most nearly enlightened thing
on race that Howard, who had the usual racial prejudices of his time
and place, ever expressed--which is arguable).
Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:05:02 -0700
From: Deb Distante
To: BLIC , stumpers
Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" in California
Chris,
Like everyone else, I've found record of "sundown laws" in various places
but can't specifically tie it in to Fillmore or Ventura County. Have you
or the patron contacted the Ventura County Historical Society? That seems
one of the most likely places to try and find that information. The 1930s
weren't all that long ago so it's possible that there are still some people
around town who were around then who could give a personal
perspective. Again, the Historical Society might be familiar with such
people in the area. The web site for the Ventura County Museum of History
and Art is http://www.vcmha.org/. Their phone number is (805) 653-0323.
Hope this helps!
deb
>Patron heard during a sermon in church that his town, Fillmore,
>California, had a law (written or unwritten) in the 1930s that
>blacks/African Americans could not remain in town over night. He wants
>to follow up on this assertion to see whether, in fact, there was such a
>law in Fillmore, or in Ventura County, where it is located.
>
>I believe such laws were known as "sundown laws." I find some web
>references to them in Oregon, and I've heard of them elsewhere, too. (I
>watched To Kill a Mockingbird a couple of months ago, perhaps this is
>where I recently heard reference to them? By the way, that movie is
>gorgeous--a striking contrast to the short-attention-span style of
>modern movies, it really conveys the feel of back when time was slower.)
>
>I've looked in several encyclopedias of African-American history, Encyc
>Brit, World Book Encyc, a few books of the history of blacks in
>California, WorldCat. I may contact the NAACP.
>
>Any ideas of other sources I might consult?
>
>TIA,
>
>-- Chris Gallery
>Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System
>c/o Santa Barbara Public Library
>P.O. Box 1019
>Santa Barbara, CA 93102
>Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org
Deb Distante
Mt. San Antonio College
1100 N. Grand Ave.
Walnut, CA 91789
909-594-5611 ext. 4285
ddistant@mtsac.edu
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:10:28 -0700
From: BLIC
To: stumpers
Subj: Thanks re: Sundown laws
Many thanks to Robert Hadden, Donna burton, Luke Owens and Karen Mahnk
for their contributions re: "sundown laws." Nothing specific on
California: Ventura: Fillmore yet, but at least we have confirmation
that such laws, written or unwritten, were once in effect in some areas.
I'll sic the patron on the local historical society for further
research.
Chris Gallery
Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System
c/o Santa Barbara Public Library
P.O. Box 1019
Santa Barbara, CA 93102
Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:24:42 -0700
From: BLIC
To: Deb Distante , stumpers
Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" in California
Dear Deb:
Just got your message after sending off a thank you to previous
responders. Thanks.
Yes, I called the Ventura Historical Society before even posting on
Stumpers. I left a message with a volunteer who was going to pass it to
the librarian when he returned from lunch. No word back yet, but I'm not
holding my breath, as this is a slippery kind of thing to research
conventionally.
I also asked an African American coworker who lives in Ventura, who
promised to take the question to her beauty shop where there are some
old-timer ladies. Apparently this is the kind of shop like I've seen in
the movies, where everybody joins in on lively conversations and a lot
of information is exchanged. I've always wanted patronize such a place,
but have found that I'm lucky if my haircutter will chat with me. I
guess the gabby gossip-and-news places exist in small towns and
neighborhoods where one's friends all go to the same salon, and on a
regular basis.
Deb Distante wrote:
>
> Chris,
> Like everyone else, I've found record of "sundown laws" in various places
> but can't specifically tie it in to Fillmore or Ventura County. Have you
> or the patron contacted the Ventura County Historical Society?
> ddistant@mtsac.edu
--
Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System
c/o Santa Barbara Public Library
P.O. Box 1019
Santa Barbara, CA 93102
Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:17:52 -0400
From: David B G Kresh
To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu, bginfo@rain.org
Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" in California
If you plug "don't let the sun set on you" into www.google.com, you
can find a variety of examples of the widespread "don't let the sun
set on you in [this town/county]" phenomenon. It ought to be possible
to discover locally whether a written law existed, but even in the
absence of a written law, this seems to have been a popular threat.
(I assume its point is not so much "you are not permitted to stay in
this town" as "if you stay, you will be extremely sorry.")
David Kresh
Humanities & Social Sciences Division
Library of Congress
dakr@loc.gov
>>> BLIC 05/02 2:00 PM >>>
Patron heard during a sermon in church that his town, Fillmore,
California, had a law (written or unwritten) in the 1930s that
blacks/African Americans could not remain in town over night. He
wants
to follow up on this assertion to see whether, in fact, there was
such a
law in Fillmore, or in Ventura County, where it is located.
I believe such laws were known as "sundown laws." I find some web
references to them in Oregon, and I've heard of them elsewhere, too.
(I
watched To Kill a Mockingbird a couple of months ago, perhaps this
is
where I recently heard reference to them? By the way, that movie is
gorgeous--a striking contrast to the short-attention-span style of
modern movies, it really conveys the feel of back when time was
slower.)
I've looked in several encyclopedias of African-American history,
Encyc
Brit, World Book Encyc, a few books of the history of blacks in
California, WorldCat. I may contact the NAACP.
Any ideas of other sources I might consult?
TIA,
-- Chris Gallery
Information Center of the Black Gold Cooperative Library System
c/o Santa Barbara Public Library
P.O. Box 1019
Santa Barbara, CA 93102
Phone: (805) 963-1397 Fax: (805) 962-1840 email: bginfo@rain.org
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:28:25 -0500
From: Dennis Lien
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Cc: dphair@mail.pratt.lib.md.us
Subj: %%% Re: fable of monkey with magician's wand
Daria and fellow wombats,
I'm afraid I've run into dead ends on this. I also checked with a couple
of fairy-tale-savvy colleagues, including Prof. Jack Zipes (who teaches
at the U of MN) whose reply was:
>Subject: Re: fable of monkey with magician's wand
>
>Dear Dennis,
>
>Sorry, but I can't place it. The only fairy tale in which a monkey (an
>enchanted monkey) plays a key role is Mme D'Aulnoy's "Babiole," but I can't
>remember a scene like this in the tale. However, I haven't read the tale
>recently.
Our copies of Aulnoy in English are variously out or in storage, so I
haven't tried to follow up with "Babiole."
I've been unable to find the story I thought I remembered either,
except for a very vague idea it may have been a poem rather than a
standard fairy tale/fable. Or the whole thing may be a false memory--
sorry.
Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu
>> >At 12:08 AM 4/19/01 -0400, Daria Phair wrote:
>> >>Dear Stumpers,
>> >>
>> >>I have a friend who is doing research on French fable thimbles of the
late
>> >>19th/early 20th centuries made by Lenain of Paris. She is including
>> >>summaries of the stories depicted on the thimbles in her paper. But, she
>> >>is having problems identifying one of the fables/fairytales. It shows a
>> >>monkey holding a wand in his upright hand, teaching(?) a cat, dog, and
>> >>turkey. There is a lantern on a table.
>> >>
>> >>I tried the web site aesopfables.com without luck. It doesn't appear to
>> >>be an Aesop fable. Could it be La Fontaine or someone else? Has anyone
>> >>heard of this? TIA
>> >>
>> >>Yours truly,
>> >>Daria Phair
>> >>Enoch Pratt Library/Baltimore, MD
>> >>(410) 396-5471; (410) 396-4441 fax
>> >
>> >
>> >I'm fairly sure I read this fable back in the mists of my prehistory,
>> >but haven't been able to refind it. I think it's a variant of "sorcerer's
>> >apprentice" motif, in which a magician's pet monkey steals his
>> >master's wand and hat etc. while the master is asleep or otherwise
>> >missing, but finds only catastrophe when he attempts to use it. I'll
>> >keep digging around and see if I can come up with an example (no luck
>> >with Stith Thompson, STORYTELLER'S SORCEBOOK, etc.).
>> >
>> >Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:02:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: Lois Fundis
To: David B G Kresh
Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu, bginfo@rain.org
Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" in California
At 12:17 PM 05/03/2001 -0400, David B G Kresh wrote:
>If you plug "don't let the sun set on you" into www.google.com, you
>can find a variety of examples of the widespread "don't let the sun
>set on you in [this town/county]" phenomenon. It ought to be possible
>to discover locally whether a written law existed, but even in the
>absence of a written law, this seems to have been a popular threat.
>(I assume its point is not so much "you are not permitted to stay in
>this town" as "if you stay, you will be extremely sorry.")
You also might want to talk to someone at a local (county courthouse? law
school? old established law firm?) law library to see if old compilations of
city ordinances are available, to check if this was a written law and if
other towns in the area did the same thing.
* * * *
Lois Aleta Fundis, Reference ^~~~~^ and Gov't. Documents Librarian
Mary H. Weir Public Library, (O) (O) Weirton, WV 26062
fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us . \/ . 304-797-8510 (fax -8526)
"Carpe librum!"
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:14:00 -0400
From: cci
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu, Louise Sullivan
Cc: 0 JRS2
Subj: Re: ?Words and Music for Three Songs Needed
Louise:
For all those of us who help search, please do ALL of us a favor. Please check the spelling
before you submit.
1. The "Au Revoir..." that you want is in the Sibley Music Library. Ask them to fax you a
copy.
2. Two names not spelled incorrectly: Albert von Tilzer & Edward Teschmacher.
John Seonac
Music Reference West Lafayette PL
Fx: 765 463 5695
cci@nlci.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louise Sullivan"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:15 AM
Subject: ?Words and Music for Three Songs Needed
> We have a customer who needs the words and music to the following:
>
> 1) Until (words and music by Jack Fulton and Bob Crosby, 1948. Recorded by
> Tommy Dorsey; vocal by Harry Prine).
>
> 2) Until (words by Edward Teschemescher, music by Wilfred Sanderson, 1918).
>
> 3) Au Revoir, but Not Goodbye, Soldier Boy (words by Lew Brown, music by
> Albert von Tilger, 1917).
>
> We have searched numerous song indices both in paper and on the Internet.
> We have found sites on the Internet that list the sheet music for songs #1
> and #3 for sale but not the words or music. If anyone who has the words
> and music in their collection would be willing to fax it to us, we would be
> grateful. If that's not possible, if anyone is aware of a title that might
> include these songs, that also would be helpful.
>
> Thanks for the assistance.
> Louise Sullivan
> Reference Librarian
> Spokane Public Library
> Ph: 509-444-5336
> Fax: 509-444-5364
> lsullivan@spokanelibrary.org
>
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:40:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: cbrian@address.com
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: may 11, 1921
Looking for a source that would tell me what happened on may 11, 1921 . . .
something like "this day in history," but it needs to be more specific (i.e.,
it has to include exact month, day, and year).
any Web sources that you can point me to would be appreciated.
and, golly, I wish there was a Day by Day: the Twenties (there isn't is,
there?).
Thanks!
Chris
---------------------------------------------------------------
Get Free Internet Access And WebEmail At http://www.address.com
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:50:54 -0400
From: Jeanne Schramm
To: stumpers-L@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: RE:May 11, 1921
Here is one place to find what happened by month, day AND year. (Scroll
past the births and deaths to get to the events.) www.scopesys.com/year
--
Jeanne Schramm
Elbin Library
West Liberty State College
West Liberty, W.Va. 26074
304.336.8184
--
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:52:45 -0400
From: "Hartung, Steven"
To: "'cbrian@address.com'" , stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: % may 11, 1921
ah, yes, Sweden abolishes capital punishment!
http://din-timelines.com/1920/1921.shtml
Steven Hartung
Pamunkey Regional Library
Hanover, Virginia
shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org
-----Original Message-----
From: cbrian@address.com [mailto:cbrian@address.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:40 PM
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subject: may 11, 1921
Looking for a source that would tell me what happened on may 11, 1921 . . .
something like "this day in history," but it needs to be more specific
(i.e.,
it has to include exact month, day, and year).
any Web sources that you can point me to would be appreciated.
and, golly, I wish there was a Day by Day: the Twenties (there isn't is,
there?).
Thanks!
Chris
---------------------------------------------------------------
Get Free Internet Access And WebEmail At http://www.address.com
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:06:20 -0400
From: Hilary Caws-Elwitt
To: Dennis Lien
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu, dphair@mail.pratt.lib.md.us
Subj: % Babiole--was Re: %%% Re: fable of monkey with magician's wand
"Babiole" in French is online in a few places, for ex:
http://www.contes.net/contes/aulnoy/aul_g155.html
Looks like negative evidence only. I skimmed it--cats and dogs are
mentioned, and various birds including a parrot, but no hit on "dinde" or
"dindon", though there may be other words for turkey that I don't remember.
A key element is that the monkey (an enchanted princess) is pretty much
always dressed in robes etc; and it's a lengthy fairy story, not a fable by
any means.
--
Hilary Caws-Elwitt, Public Services Librarian -- sctylibrary@stny.rr.com
Susquehanna County Library, 2 Monument Sq, Montrose PA 18801 --
570-278-1881
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:13:33 -0400
From: "Hartung, Steven"
To: "Hartung, Steven" ,
Subj: % may 11, 1921
so sorry, "Chronicle of the 20th Century" gives the date for
abolishing the death penalty as May 11th--the online source
gives it as May 8th--again, apologies for the misdirection--
Steven Hartung
Pamunkey Regional Library
Hanover, Virginia
shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Hartung, Steven [mailto:shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:53 PM
To: 'cbrian@address.com'; stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subject: % may 11, 1921
ah, yes, Sweden abolishes capital punishment!
http://din-timelines.com/1920/1921.shtml
Steven Hartung
Pamunkey Regional Library
Hanover, Virginia
shartung@pamunkeylibrary.org
-----Original Message-----
From: cbrian@address.com [mailto:cbrian@address.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:40 PM
To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subject: may 11, 1921
Looking for a source that would tell me what happened on may 11, 1921 . . .
something like "this day in history," but it needs to be more specific
(i.e.,
it has to include exact month, day, and year).
any Web sources that you can point me to would be appreciated.
and, golly, I wish there was a Day by Day: the Twenties (there isn't is,
there?).
Thanks!
Chris
---------------------------------------------------------------
Get Free Internet Access And WebEmail At http://www.address.com
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:38:07 -0500 (EST)
From: "John P. Dyson"
To: Stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: % Babiole--was Re: %%% Re: fable of monkey with magician's wand
=0D=0A=0D=0AOn Thu, 3 May 2001, Hilary Caws-Elwitt wrote:=0D=0A=0D=
=0A> "Babiole" in French is online in a few places, for ex:=0D=0A> ht=
tp://www.contes.net/contes/aulnoy/aul_g155.html=0D=0A> Looks like neg=
ative evidence only. I skimmed it--cats and dogs are=0D=0A> mentioned=
, and various birds including a parrot, but no hit on "dinde" or=0D=
=0A> "dindon", though there may be other words for turkey that I don'=
t remember.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AOne of the turkey's early French nicknam=
es was "j=E9suite"!=0D=0A=0D=0AI wonder if Hannibal Lecter ever.... N=
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:37:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Denise_Montgomery
To: BLIC
Cc: Deb Distante , stumpers
Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" in California
Dear Chris,
I could find no mention of Sundown Laws in any of the following sources:
The African American Encyclopedia
Guide to American Law (8 vol. encyclopedia)
Black's Law Dictionary
Both the Legal News and the Law Reviews sections of Lexus-Nexus
and a check of the California code brought up three citations, none of
which used Sundown in that particular context.
I think this term is used to express unwritten local attitudes about X
group against which there is a great deal of local prejudice, that they
had better not be found there after sundown, or in some cases like Beverly
Hills, they had better not be in the neighborhood unless they have
legitimate business such as being a gardener, a delivery person, a pool
cleaner, etc. I read the bit about Beverly Hills some years ago and I
don't remember where, although I'm certain the person who said it was a
member of a minority group.
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ?
? ?
? Denise Montgomery "Knowledge is of two kinds; ?
? Valdosta State Univ Library we know a subject ourselves, ?
? Valdosta, GA 31698 or we know where we can find ?
? information upon it." ?
? (912) 333-5867 Dr. Samuel Johnson, Boswell's ?
? (912) 333-5862 FAX Life of Johnson, April 15, ?
? dmontgom@valdosta.edu 1775 ?
? http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Outlet/8896/ ?
? ?
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:42:04 -0400
From: "Kevin W. Woodruff"
To: cbrian@address.com
Cc: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: may 11, 1921
If some has the NYT on microfilm for the day after (May 12, 1921) there
might be news that you can use
Kevin
At 09:40 AM 5/3/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Looking for a source that would tell me what happened on may 11, 1921 . . .
>
>something like "this day in history," but it needs to be more specific (i.e.,
>it has to include exact month, day, and year).
>
>any Web sources that you can point me to would be appreciated.
>
>and, golly, I wish there was a Day by Day: the Twenties (there isn't is,
>there?).
>
>Thanks!
>
>Chris
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>Get Free Internet Access And WebEmail At http://www.address.com
>
Kevin W. Woodruff, M. Div.
Library Director/Reference Librarian
Professor of New Testament Greek
Cierpke Memorial Library
Tennessee Temple University/Temple Baptist Seminary
1815 Union Ave.
Chattanooga, Tennessee 37404
United States of America
423/493-4252 (office)
423/698-9447 (home)
423/493-4497 (FAX)
Cierpke@prodigy.net (preferred)
kwoodruf@utk.edu (alternate)
http://pages.prodigy.net/cierpke/woodruff.htm
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:46:39 -0400
From: Erie County Public Library
To: Stumpers
Subj: Song lyrics stumper
Dear Follow Stumpers,
I am looking for the lyrics to a WWII song, most likely British, called
the 'Deepest Shelter in Town. The song was written by Florence
Desmond. I believe that the song has something to do with the air raid
shelters that were used by the British.
I have checked the archives and other librarians have done Internet
searches with no results.
As always, thanks in advance.
Terry
Erie County Public Library
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:38:43 -0700
From: "DeFato, Joan"
To: 'BLIC' , stumpers
Subj: RE: ""Sundown laws"" in California
In Landscape Architecture 17:277, 1927, there is an extract of the
restrictions (probably from 1923)in Palos Verdes Estates in Los Angeles
County. The restrictions, covering a host of things that were allowed or
not allowed relating to architecture, use of property, planting, easements,
etc., were to be in effect until 1960 and automatically renewed for 20-year
intervals unless changed by one-half of the property owners. Under Racial
Limitations is the statement that "No part of said property shall be used or
occupied or permitted to be used or occupied in whole or in part by any
person of African or Asiatic descent or by any person not of the white or
Caucasian race, except domestic servants, chauffeurs, or gardeners of other
than the white or Caucasian race may live on or occupy the premises where
their employer resides . . . It may be that the "sundown laws" would show
up in restrictions on land use as much as they might show up as city, county
or state laws.
Joan DeFato
Plant Science Library
The Arboretum of Los Angeles County
301 North Baldwin Avenue
Arcadia, CA 91007-2697
Phone: (626) 821-3213 Fax: (626) 445-1217
-----Original Message-----
From: BLIC [mailto:bginfo@rain.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:00 AM
To: stumpers
Subject: "Sundown laws" in California
Patron heard during a sermon in church that his town, Fillmore,
California, had a law (written or unwritten) in the 1930s that
blacks/African Americans could not remain in town over night. He wants
to follow up on this assertion to see whether, in fact, there was such a
law in Fillmore, or in Ventura County, where it is located.
I believe such laws were known as "sundown laws."
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:01:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: C V
To: Beth Friedmann
Cc: Stumpers
Subj: Re: Spring has sprung...
On Thu, 3 May 2001, Beth Friedmann wrote:
> Looking for complete and correct text of a poem, possibly by Ogden Nash,
> that contains the phrase "Spring has sprung, the grass is riz..."
> Please respond directly to me.
> Thank you!
It's in the archives ... no surprise there. What follows is a culling,
which includes the answer, I did not copy subsequent postings of the
answer, to the subsequent postings of the question, which comes up nearly
every spring. Connie
This is a section of the document
'gopher_root:[searchidx]stumpers-l_1995-03.txt;31'.
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:21:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Dianne Hall
To: stumpers-list@CRF.CUIS.EDU
Subj: ? Spring has sprung
[The patron's deadline is today, 3/21, 7:30p.m. PST, so don't bother to
respond after that time.] Patron would like to know the author of the
poem that he says begins with the words "Spring has sprung, the grass has
ris (?riz?), I wonder where the flowers (?birdies?) is." She would also
like the whole poem if available. We believe it may be an Ogden Nash
poem but couldn't find it in a couple of his books. Also, not found in
the Granger's CD-ROM, Gale's Quotations CD-ROM, Bartlett's, Stevenson,
Oxford dict. of quotations, and other quotation books and light verse
books in our collection.
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:40:39 -0800 (PST)
From: "Serra Coop. Library System"
To: Dianne Hall
Cc: stumpers-list@CRF.CUIS.EDU
Subj: Re: ? Spring has sprung
I know the deadline is past but perhaps the patron - and Stumpers
subscribers - would still find the info. of use:
Thanks to a search by SCAN staff in 1986, we have a file note that this
is found in Brandreth/Joy of Lex, p.121, titled "The Budding Bronx".
THE BUDDING BRONX
Der spring is sprung
Der grass is riz
I wonder where dem boidies is?
Der little boids is on der wing,
Ain't dat absoid?
Der little wings is on der boid!
I hope no one takes offense at the joking about a Bronx accent! I would
add, however, that I also found the "Swastika Orange" tasteless at best
but decided not to make a big issue of it at the time.
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:08:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Arts and Literature Department
To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: ?Spring is sprung
O.K., I know it's Friday and the sun is shining here for the first time in
what seems like months. . .obviously all of this is affecting what little
ability I brought with me this morning...
Here is my dilemma:
Spring is sprung
The grass is riz
I wonder where the birdies is
We have a patron who wants to know the correct spelling (he has a version
spelled Spring iz sprung
The grass iz riz
I wonder where the birdies iz) and the origin of this little
ditty. We have tried quotation sources, poetry sources, the Net, Stumpers
Archives. Lots of people use bits and pieces of it, the spellings vary,
no sources are ever mentioned. (No, that's wrong. The Gale's Quotations
CD-ROM attributes it to Unknown and has the last line, "I wonder where the
posies is.")
Any and all assistance will be greatly appreciated, as always. And, in my
own defense, I put this before Stumpers because somewhere in the nether
regions of my mind lurks the dimmest, faintest possibility that I have
seen or read something about this...but it is Friday and the sun is
shining here for what seems like the first time in months...
TIA!
Sherry F. at the Omaha Public Library (NE)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:14:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Tim Holt
To: Arts and Literature Department
Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: !Spring is sprung
Here is the poem you requested, just as it appears in my source,
barring typos. A caveat though: my "source" is not exactly
authoritative - a copy I made 15 years ago of page 621 of some
now unknown book.
Spring is sprung
The grass is riz
I wonder where the flowers is,
The boids is on the wing,
Ain't dat absoid,
I thought the wings was on the boid.
Snakes is small,
not tall at all,
They ain't even got no stature,
And when they stare,
They take great care
To always look right ature.
A cow is of bovine ilk
One end is Moo, the other milk.
A duck is a boid quite keen
His toes ain't got no in between.
A rooster is a kind of chicken
Once in a while he gets sick'n
Dies.
- Sir Brown
A couple of questions of my own (mostly rhetorical): so who is Sir
Brown, and why is this poem, with such well-known first lines, so
elusive?
Tim Holt tholt@gfn.org
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:15:02 -0700
From: Jan Gorden
To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: rush ""song"" request
Hi All -
We have a patron who is asking for words and music to "the Cambridge
University (England) school song." We have not been able to verify that
such a song exists. As far as we can tell, the patron means Cambridge as a
whole, rather than any of the individual colleges. And of course they need
it by tomorrow! Can anyone help with either verifying that there is (or
isn't) a song, or providing said song? Many thanks in advance -
Jan Gorden who offered to go research the question in person, but they
wouldn't let me
Jackson County Library Services
fax (541) 774-6749
jgorden@jcls.org
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:01:37 -0500
From: cci
To: Jan Gorden , stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: rush ""song"" request
Good 'ol Jan:
You are only slightly less gullible than I. With time contraints, can the
patron not at least help us verify and existing song with a telephone or
email contact. Come on, patron, if we are willing to spend 2 hours finding
your song, help us with a ten minute call.
+44 1223 337733. University of Cambridge
Feedback to webmaster@ucs.cam.ac.uk
John "today's short fuse" Seonac
Music Reference
West Lafayette Public Library
P.O. Box 2179
West Lafayette IN 47996-2179
fx 765 743 2063 email cci@nlci.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Gorden"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:15 PM
Subject: rush "song" request
> Hi All -
>
> We have a patron who is asking for words and music to "the Cambridge
> University (England) school song." We have not been able to verify that
> such a song exists. As far as we can tell, the patron means Cambridge as
a
> whole, rather than any of the individual colleges. And of course they
need
> it by tomorrow! Can anyone help with either verifying that there is (or
> isn't) a song, or providing said song? Many thanks in advance -
>
> Jan Gorden who offered to go research the question in person, but they
> wouldn't let me
> Jackson County Library Services
> fax (541) 774-6749
> jgorden@jcls.org
>
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 23:47:13 +0200
From: md2@freenet.de
To: thomas.d.fuller@us.andersen.com
Cc: STUMPERS-L@cuis.edu
Subj: Re: % Kathinka Sutro-Schuecking
Tom --
Thank you for the advice. I'm familiar with the book itself -- it's one of only two books that deal with Sutro-Schuecking at any great length.
I did find an e-mail address for a "Doreothea Diver" (I think her name has changed), but never received a response. Perhaps it wasn't the right address. Perhaps she just isn't writing back.
If anyone does have a contact address, however, that would be great. According to the short bio. on the book, Ms. Stuecher has taught German at the University of Wisconsin/Superior and was teaching after that at the University of Minnesota/Deluth. Where she is now, I'm not sure...
Unfortunately, the books I'm looking for are only listed in the bibliography of Stuecher's book and are not actually discussed at any point, so I have the feeling that they were also not able to be located...???
For the list: Any further help from anyone regarding this author and the works I mentioned in my first posting would be greatly appreciated! Again, "Sutro-Schu:cking" has a "u" with an umlaut -- represented here with a colon as I can't get it to show up on the stumper's list for some reason; variant spellings are "Sutro-Schuecking", "Sutro-Schucking", "Sutro", and sometimes "Schu:cking-Sutro", etc...
Best,
Matthew Gaskins
md2@freenet.de
At 08:46 03.05.01 -0400, you wrote:
>On the off chance you haven't thought of this, you might want to try to get in
>touch with Dorothea Diver Stuecher, who wrote a book in 1990 called TWICE
>REMOVED: THE EXPERIENCE OF GERMAN AMERICAN WOMEN WRITERS IN THE 19TH CENTURY,
>ISBN 0-8204-1162-0, published by Peter Lang in New York, Berlin, Frankfurt/M,
>and Paris; see
>
>http://db.genderinn.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/recherche/deutsch?w=tab&id=5767
>
>The book is a study of your author, Therese Robinson, and Mathilde Anneke.
>
>Dennis Lien might be able to conjure up a contact address from his considerable
>literary resources. (Are you there, Denny?)
>
>-- Tom
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:37:34 -0700
From: Jan Gorden
To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: addendum to Cambridge song request
Hi All (again) -
As John correctly pointed out, we should have contacted the webmaster at
Cambridge. I neglected to mention in my earlier e-mail that we had already
done so but I was asked to post the question on Stumpers as well. (blush)
Sorry about that -
Jan Gorden
Jackson County Library Services
fax (541) 774-6749
jgorden@jcls.org
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:40:15 -0500
From: Dennis Lien
To: cbrian@address.com, stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: %% Re: may 11, 1921
At 09:40 AM 5/3/01 -0700, cbrian@address.com wrote:
>Looking for a source that would tell me what happened on may 11, 1921 . . .
>
>something like "this day in history," but it needs to be more specific
(i.e.,
>it has to include exact month, day, and year).
>
>any Web sources that you can point me to would be appreciated.
>
>and, golly, I wish there was a Day by Day: the Twenties (there isn't is,
>there?).
>
>Thanks!
>
>Chris
No, I don't think DAY BY DAY has made it back to the 20s yet.
There are several print tools that go down to the day level, at least
for a good percentage of their entries. Of these, I found hits for
May 11, 1921 in:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Author: Putnam, George Palmer, 1814-1872, comp.
Title: Dictionary of events, a handbook of universal history; a
series of chronological tables presenting, in parallel
columns a record of the noteworthy events of history from
the earliest times to the present day, together with an
index of subjects and genealogical tables, compiled by
George Palmer Putnam, A.M., and George Haven Putnam, LITT.
D., OXON., and associates.
Published: New York, Grosset & Dunlap [c1936]
p.473:
May 11: Germany accepts unconditionally the modified terms of the Allies.
Author: Mellersh, H. E. L.
Title: Chronology of world history / H.E.L. Mellersh.
Published: Santa Barbara, Calif. : ABC-CLIO, c1999.
Description: 4 v. ; 25 cm.
Subjects, Library of Congress (Use s=):
Chronology, Historical.
Contributors: Williams, Neville, 1924-
vol. 4, page 134:
May 11: The German Reichstag (parliament) votes to accept the Allies'
ultimatum on reparations for World War I damages.
and
Author: Langer, William L. (William Leonard), 1896-1977.
Title: An encyclopedia of world history; ancient, medieval, and
modern, chronologically arranged. Compiled and edited by
William L. Langer.
Edition: 5th ed., rev. and enl. with maps and geneal. tables.
Published: Boston, Houghton Mifflin, 1972.
Description: xxxix, 1569 p. illus. 25 cm.
Subjects, Library of Congress (Use s=):
History--Outlines, syllabi, etc.
and
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Author: Keller, Helen Rex.
Title: The dictionary of dates, by Helen Rex Keller.
Published: New York, The Macmillian company, c1934.
Description: 2 v. 25 cm.
Subjects, Library of Congress (Use s=):
Chronology, Historical.
History--Dictionaries.
Notes: "A record from earliest times through the year 1930 arranged
by countries ... an outline of events."--Pref.
May 11-June 25: Visit of Mme. M.S. Curie, discoverer of radium
Some other tools that are sometimes useful for specific dates, but
were not in this case, include:
Author: Freeman-Grenville, G. S. P. (Greville Stewart Parker)
Title: Chronology of world history : a calendar of principal events
from 3000 BC to AD 1973 / G. S. P. Freeman-Grenville.
Published: Totowa, N.J. : Rowman & Littlefield, 1975.
Description: 753 p. ; 25 cm.
and
Author: Carruth, Gorton.
Title: The encyclopedia of world facts and dates / Gorton Carruth.
Edition: 1st ed.
Published: New York : HarperCollins Publishers, c1993.
Description: ix, 1310 p. ; 24 cm.
and
Author: Little, Charles Eugene, 1838-1918.
Title: Cyclopedia of classified dates, with an exhaustive index, by
Charles E. Little, for the use of students of history, and
for all persons who desire speedy access to the facts and
events, which relate to the histories of the various
countries of the world, from the earliest recorded dates.
Published: New York, London, Funk & Wagnalls company, 1900.
Description: vii, [1], 1454 p. 26 cm.
(one of the most detailed, but alas it goes up only to 1900)
and two titles that are arranged by day -- e.g., look up "May 11"
and find things that have happened on that day throughout a number
of years, though in neither case was 1921 one of them...)
Author: Beeching, Cyril Leslie.
Title: A dictionary of dates / Cyril Leslie Beeching.
Edition: 2nd ed.
Published: Oxford : Oxford University Press, 1997.
Description: viii, 342 p. ; 20 cm.
Subjects, Library of Congress (Use s=):
Anniversaries--Dictionaries.
Chronology, Historical--Dictionaries.
Calendars.
and
Author: Mirkin, Stanford M.
Title: What happened when; a noted researcher's almanac of
yesterdays
by Stanford M. Mirkin.
Edition: [New, rev. and enl. ed.]
Published: New York, I. Washburn [1966]
Description: v., 442 p. 21 cm.
***********
I don't know if you're looking for one specific known event on that
date (if so, the Germany one presumably was the big one, as a stepping
stone on eventual path to WWII) or if you do need a long list; if the
latter, checking NEW YORK TIMES or LONDON TIMES or the like for the
next day or two would probably be necessary.
Dennis Lien / U of Minnesota Libraries // d-lien@tc.umn.edu
(born on the day "Constitutional guarantees of freedom of speech,
freedom of the press, and right to assemble are suspended in
Argentina by executive decree")
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:05:57 -0400
From: ibbetson
To: Jan Gorden
Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: rush ""song"" request
At 01:15 PM 5/3/2001 -0700, Jan Gorden wrote:
>We have a patron who is asking for words and music to "the Cambridge
>University (England) school song." We have not been able to verify that
>such a song exists. As far as we can tell, the patron means Cambridge as a
>whole, rather than any of the individual colleges. And of course they need
>it by tomorrow! Can anyone help with either verifying that there is (or
>isn't) a song, or providing said song? Many thanks in advance -
Cambridge University as a whole won't have a school song. We don't use
"school" in that sense in England. The patron may be thinking of a Latin
drinking song, but it must have been as much used at Oxford as at Cambridge.
Another possibility is the Eton boating song.
But I feel that clarification from the patron is needed.
David ib
David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4
mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com
Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:18:43 -0600 (MDT)
From: Barbara Blair
To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: rush ""song"" request
It sounds to me like this is a case for Dr. Dyson..John, please write (in both
English and Latin) a school song for Cambridge which can be given to the
patron tomorrow. (and later sung at the Stumpers banquet) Possible title
Cambridge, Cambridge lux, libris, libation.
************************** Original Message *************************
From: ibbetson
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:05:57 -0400
To: Jan Gorden
Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subject: Re: rush "song" request
At 01:15 PM 5/3/2001 -0700, Jan Gorden wrote:
>We have a patron who is asking for words and music to "the Cambridge
>University (England) school song." We have not been able to verify that
>such a song exists. As far as we can tell, the patron means Cambridge as a
>whole, rather than any of the individual colleges. And of course they need
>it by tomorrow! Can anyone help with either verifying that there is (or
>isn't) a song, or providing said song? Many thanks in advance -
Cambridge University as a whole won't have a school song. We don't use
"school" in that sense in England. The patron may be thinking of a Latin
drinking song, but it must have been as much used at Oxford as at Cambridge.
Another possibility is the Eton boating song.
But I feel that clarification from the patron is needed.
David ib
David Ibbetson * 133 Wilton Street * Unit 506 * Toronto M5A 4A4
mailto:ibbetson@idirect.com
Phone:(416)363-6692 Cel:(416)831-6692 Fax:(416)363-4987
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:44:53 -0600 (MDT)
From: Barbara Blair
To: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: RE: ""Sundown laws"" in California
I think the "sundown law" was a little harsher than restrictions on who could
live in what neighborhood. My anecdotal evidence for that is traveling with
my family when I was a small child through parts of Kansas and Oklahoma. On
the edge of one town there was a sign that said "N-word don't let the sun set
on your head in this town."
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:51:51 -0500 (EST)
From: "John P. Dyson"
To: Barbara Blair
Cc: stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: rush ""song"" request
On Thu, 3 May 2001, Barbara Blair wrote:
> It sounds to me like this is a case for Dr. Dyson..John, please write (in both
> English and Latin) a school song for Cambridge which can be given to the
> patron tomorrow. (and later sung at the Stumpers banquet) Possible title
> Cambridge, Cambridge lux, libris, libation.
I couldn't whip one off that quick, Barb, but Bruce ("The Boss")
Springfield might: "Born on the Cambridge bridge!" [repeat 500 times].
Or, as H. P. Stokes hexametered:
Hinc lucem haurire est et pocula sacra replere.
Get down!
John Dyson
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:38:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jcmaher@aol.com
To: bginfo@rain.org, stumpers-list@crf.cuis.edu
Subj: Re: ""Sundown laws"" (not in California but) in Indiana
In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:03:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, =0D=
=0Abginfo@rain.org writes:=0D=0A=0D=0A<< Patron heard during a sermon=
in church that his town, Fillmore,=0D=0A California, had a law (writ=
ten or unwritten) in the 1930s that=0D=0A blacks/African Americans co=
uld not remain in town over night. He wants=0D=0A to follow up on th=
is assertion to see whether, in fact, there was such a=0D=0A law in F=
illmore, or in Ventura County, where it is located.=0D=0A =0D=0A I be=
lieve such laws were known as "sundown laws." I find some web=0D=0A r=
efe
rences to them in Oregon, and I've heard of them elsewhere, too. >>=
=0D=0A=0D=0AI grew up in Indiana, where I often heard reference to su=
ndown laws. All I =0D=0Awas able to find in a quick web search (googl=
e.com) were the following:=0D=0A=0D=0AThe first, at http://www.indian=
a.edu/~libbcc/submay97.html=0D=0A=0D=0AAFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURAL CENT=
ER LIBRARY=0D=0ASUBJECT FILE=0D=0A1997=0D=0A=0D=0ALast updated: May 1=
6, 1997=0D=0AG. Jackson-Brown, 109 N. Jordan, (812)855-3237=0D=0ACopy=
right =A9 1995 Black Culture Center Library=0D=0AIndiana University, =
Bloomington=0D=0A=0D=0AFrom=20
the index:=0D=0AIndiana=0D=0A -African Americans=0D=0A -Black E=
xpo=0D=0A -Bloomington=0D=0A -Hall of Fame=0D=0A -Historical=
Society=0D=0A -Sundown Ordinances=0D=0A=0D=0AAnd from the website=
of the Indiana Historical Society, at =0D=0Ahttp://www.indianahistor=
y.org/heritage/freeman.html:=0D=0A=0D=0AOpportunities for blacks in t=
his state at the start of World War II were =0D=0Alittle better than =
those offered by the Army. "It was nearly impossible to =0D=0Afind in=
Indiana a public place, institution, or group where whites accorded =
=0D=0Ablacks an equa
l and open reception," noted Indiana University Professor of =0D=0AHi=
story James Madison in his history of the state from 1920 to 1945. Al=
though =0D=0Athere were no actual statutes on the books, in many town=
s blacks encountered =0D=0Aso-called "Sundown laws," which forbade th=
em to stay in the city after dark =0D=0AIn most aspects of their dail=
y lives, from eating in restaurants to watching =0D=0Amotion pictures=
, African-American Hoosiers faced discrimination and =0D=0Asegregatio=
n. =0D=0A=0D=0A=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=
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contacting our technical support hero: Rich Helmke at
Rich.Helmke@cais.cus.edu. Please refrain form contacting the
entire list with your problem--this should be a last resort, used only
after you've tried the first two options without success.
That's it for May. I enjoy reading all of your postings. You people
are all so knowledgeable. Thanks for your patience with me.
Please do not hesitate to contact me with any problems or
concerns.
Amy Schlumpf Manion
Stumpers Moderator
Dominican University
Graduate School of Library & Information Science
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 00:01:34 -0700
From: Reed C Bowman